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On October 30 2013 03:44 Seuss wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2013 03:34 Promethelax wrote:
so, sorry, to clarify Suess: you believe that we shouldn't lynch someone because they have a power useful for town and yet you believe that that person may be, and in fact probably is, scum? You've called wave scum and your whole plan is about proving the claimed powers while lynching sent but you haven't said why proving the powers matters at all. Can you explain to me what it is about those powers that needs to be confirmed? I don't think it's absolutely necessary to verify the voting powers, but at the time the vote train was solidly on Wave and I thought other possibilities were being overlooked. You specifically have been on my case for lacking independent thought, so when I had a unique idea that seemed to have merit I went for it.
I just don't see the merit. Explain said merit to me.
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Marvel, I have no clue! Maybe he is scum and he thinks that at least one of the vote powers must belong to scum, so if Seuss flips town that will make it more likely that he is scum?
It's a stretch but I can't think of anything else.
Oh maybe he wants to build a story of not knowing what is going on to free himself of responsibility.
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On October 30 2013 03:45 strongandbig wrote:
@marv devils advocate - what if wave didnt want to lynch Seuss bc he has warm fuzzy feelings from coaching his noob game
That's not devil's advocate, that's nonsense. He just said his play was awful.
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On October 30 2013 03:45 Promethelax wrote:
but if scum why not lynch other dude and not himself? Is Suess scum too?
He has been having a town read on Seuss earlier. I do not think Seuss' posting has gotten any worse/better during the game, it has remained the same. It was at that point nowhere near clear if WoS was getting lynched or not, he could have proven himself some way. Changing his read based on what he said so drastically that he votes for Seuss would probably look even worse on him.
What does this tell about Seuss, idk if anything. I do not think they are scum together. If they are there was absolutely no reason for Seuss to claim after WoS did unless some serious #bigmafiaplay.
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On October 30 2013 03:36 marvellosity wrote:Reposting: Show nested quote +On October 30 2013 01:47 WaveofShadow wrote:
As far as Seuss, I REALLY don't like his play now. When i originally faked my role use on him i figured he'd come back with strong analysis and play like he did in his newbie and would prove himself a good choice for my power, but he has done basically the opposite: sheeping town sentiment, no reads, and no strong posts one way or another.
Can anyone tell me why, when Wave apparently didn't have a clue who to lynch, this was not enough to vote on?
He probably gave me more benefit of the doubt than makes logical sense. That's my only thought.
I put this defense up there with OOHCHILD's "bored of mafia" defense.
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Also - I'm starting to worry about sentinel's mystery countdown power and why he still hasn't told us what it does. Despite calling koshi scum for not telling us what his power does.
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On October 30 2013 03:45 OOHCHILD wrote:
Marvel, I have no clue! Maybe he is scum and he thinks that at least one of the vote powers must belong to scum, so if Seuss flips town that will make it more likely that he is scum?
It's a stretch but I can't think of anything else.
Oh maybe he wants to build a story of not knowing what is going on to free himself of responsibility.
The bolded is basically how I view the situation.
WoS came back to the thread playing the "I don't have time/don't know what's going on card"
Except i pressed him on Seuss and he practically gave me a mini-case on him. Except he kinda forgets about that and doesn't end up voting for him, because he decided he's playing the "I don't have time card"
I literally cannot believe that a townie would not vote for Seuss in that situation given what he said about Seuss in what I just quoted. I think we need to kill WoS.
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marv based on what i just said, do you think Seuss' play has gotten better/worse from early game like WoS seems to be implying?
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On October 30 2013 03:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marv based on what i just said, do you think Seuss' play has gotten better/worse from early game like WoS seems to be implying?
I think Seuss's play has gotten worse, only in as much as that it has stayed the same. You expect people to do more as the game goes on.
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It seems very role focused, actually reminds me of Vayne's first game, like his early game was all role fishing and his now game is all about proving the voting powers.
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Anyone, this post marks the point where I disappear and sporadically phone-post
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On October 30 2013 02:50 Seuss wrote:
I would like to prospose, so long as Wave doesn't continue his suicidal streak, that we arrange for a test of our voting powers, and lynch [UoN]Sentinel pending verification of said powers in tonight's vote.
I've selected [UoN]Sentinel for a few reasons. To summarize, he's obtained a power that he allegedly can't explain, when everyone else seems to have a clear understanding of their powers. He's defended his evasiveness on the grounds that he thought people would second guess themselves if his power didn't activate, when people started second guessing themselves because no one knows what his power does. Finally, he doesn't think he can be useful D1 because he "doesn't know how" when I, on my second game, am at least trying.
You misunderstand me. You can't second guess my power when it has already been sent in. Now that I know it's confirmed I can be fully open about what it is and how much I know about it. What have I to lose? I've even activated it.
I'd like to first draw attention to these two consecutive posts from him: Show nested quote +On October 28 2013 06:50 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Yeah sure why not. I do like to twerk, and I'd rather cater to marv than koshi, who seems to have disappeared.
##Twerk marvellosity
Anyways. I have a power that I would like some people to help me charge up.
##15
Here's the gameplan. To charge up my power, someone, anyone, posts ##14, then someone else does ##13 and so on. When we get to ##1 the power is charged and ready to use :D. You can post multiple numbers in the countdown but not consecutive ones. So you can do 14 and 12, but not 14 and 13. Show nested quote +On October 28 2013 07:02 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On October 28 2013 06:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 28 2013 06:50 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Yeah sure why not. I do like to twerk, and I'd rather cater to marv than koshi, who seems to have disappeared.
wtf is this reasoning? KOSHI DIDN'T ANSWER WHAT UPDATE DOES. marv at least left it ambiguously pleasant. [UoN]Sentinel's reasoning here is fine regarding Koshi and marvellosity, except he himself has yet to give any assurances his power is useful or good. What followed was the reckless explosion of hashtags that set me off at the start of the thread. In the earliest part of the game where scum/town reads are about as accurate as a drunk man playing "Probably Archery", [UoN]Sentinel's power got charged thoughtlessly. This event has kept him, Koshi, and raynpelikoneet on my radar, because I view it as criminally careless at best. Thereafter [UoN]Sentinel dithered on actually telling anyone what his power allegedly would do: + Show Spoiler +On October 28 2013 07:23 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I wonder if the hosts got my message. Don't want to give away my power if the countdown duds because something was wrong with the sequencing. Knowing the hosts, someone should be up and attending this game, but they might be asleep.
We'll see. On October 28 2013 08:40 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
No idea if hosts are away/busy or something wasn't sent in properly. I'm hoping it's the first.
I don't think Pandain's doing anything serious, just pressuring for information. Otherwise it looks like a really shitty self-justifying case. On October 28 2013 23:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Phone posting from school, up to page 30
Here is what I can say right now
I've been pretty casual this whole game, down to making puns before game start. My absence is a combination of sleep and my phone freezing.
I already breadcrumbed everything I know about my power, but I still want to figure out where the hosts are before making a decision. This is scummy play. Having said nothing about what his power does, he continues to leave everyone in the dark. We still don't know what it does even as I type this, despite many instances of mod presence in the thread. I won't iterate over every instance of his evasiveness, as I think the point has been made.
Without restating myself, I want to keep it a secret because if I don't, people don't charge up my power. This isn't beneficial to me, since the hosts have assured me they aren't bastards, and I hardly believe that I as a townie would have a power that would go against town wincon.
Moving on, I personally found this post rather odd: Show nested quote +On October 29 2013 19:34 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On October 29 2013 19:27 Promethelax wrote:On October 29 2013 19:24 marvellosity wrote:On October 29 2013 19:10 Promethelax wrote:
Marv, I want your thoughts on ooh. You used to believe in a change in passion between pregame and game to be indicative of something. Not any more? Could well be, still. It's hard to tell because it's not just a change in passion, it's basically not playing at all. It's tempting to kill him out of spite alone. I think he's a great backup lynch. Would you use your wonderful sway over people to endorse the but about powering me up? If they do that I'll switch my vote onto clarity. ##logic Sent: if you had no idea about what your power did than why did you not work to do anything in the thread? I've never done anything useful D1 because I never figured out how to be useful. My plan has always been to sit there, nod along, wait until D2 and then start making good reads. This is my second game of TL mafia ever, and while I've been struggling I'd like to think that I've at least been useful at times. What I'm trying to do right now is correct a fairly serious error, rather than throwing my hands up in the air as if there's nothing to be done because it's D1. [UoN]Sentinel's position here works against the town, rather than for it. Show nested quote +On October 29 2013 20:40 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On October 29 2013 20:22 Koshi wrote:
I am working and have been typing the above up in the last 3 hours.... Lots of shizzle happened in between.
##Twerk
Still in consideration if I will do the thing for Prom. Probably will do all the powers.
Not amused by Sentinel thingie not going through. I do not understand the secrecy and the "breadcrumbing". rayn said that it was already strange that Sentinel was so excited about his power when we were counting down, then he was already a lot less excited and unwilling to use it when we reached 0 and went AWOL after we reached 0. I wanted to give him a pass because the power and now it seems like the multiple posts he made about it were just hidden messages that it did nothing??? Why not tell the thread straight? Probably because scum and didn't know how else to participate.
Sentinel is on the VERY scummy side of things now and I am suggesting him as a policy lynch over OOHCHILD.
I'll sheep marv on Clarity first. Where the fuck is he? I expect high quality from Town Clarity because in both voice and forum mafia he always provided that. I explained it multiple times. I didn't want it to dud after I revealed it if it turned out we did the countdown wrong or something and have everyone second guessing their involvement. There's also this post which caught my attention: Show nested quote +On October 29 2013 20:40 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On October 29 2013 20:22 Koshi wrote:
I am working and have been typing the above up in the last 3 hours.... Lots of shizzle happened in between.
##Twerk
Still in consideration if I will do the thing for Prom. Probably will do all the powers.
Not amused by Sentinel thingie not going through. I do not understand the secrecy and the "breadcrumbing". rayn said that it was already strange that Sentinel was so excited about his power when we were counting down, then he was already a lot less excited and unwilling to use it when we reached 0 and went AWOL after we reached 0. I wanted to give him a pass because the power and now it seems like the multiple posts he made about it were just hidden messages that it did nothing??? Why not tell the thread straight? Probably because scum and didn't know how else to participate.
Sentinel is on the VERY scummy side of things now and I am suggesting him as a policy lynch over OOHCHILD.
I'll sheep marv on Clarity first. Where the fuck is he? I expect high quality from Town Clarity because in both voice and forum mafia he always provided that. I explained it multiple times. I didn't want it to dud after I revealed it if it turned out we did the countdown wrong or something and have everyone second guessing their involvement. I don't find [UoN]Sentinel's defense here reasonable. Whether or not his power successfully activated is something of a sideshow to what his power is actually supposed to do. But he's hung up on the possibility the countdown was a "dud" and what that will mean when people were already second guessing because the end result of the glorious countdown wasn't a cool power but a dithering, sheepish poster.
The end result hasn't come yet. Haven't you been paying attention? I have no idea what's going to come but that's because I'm anticipating the mods coming in here and doing something interesting at some point later in the game.
I always throw my hands in the air D1 because it gets people to accuse me of being anti-town. This helps me make arguments because I know what I'm thinking, so I only have one other person to account for - whoever's accusing me at the time. (It also gives me an incentive to find time during the day to play this game) Shitty reason? Yes. But I have done this as town and as scum nearly every game. Also I'm an attention whore and my ideal game of mafia is where nearly every discussion is all about me.
Which brings me to OOHCHILD and why I think he's a scum.
What has he done this game?
This is 10 kilos of WIFOM that don't even do anything other than accuse Pandain by some weird hypothetical string of events. His point about Pandain being absent for the power-claiming was interesting in itself, but the part about mafia actively staying out of the spotlight because it attracts attention isn't true. That much is evidenced by everyone who questioned my ability at any point in this game. (Including OOHCHILD later on)
He then "shuns" people, which isn't a real power (not even formatted right), and is an excuse to not talk to them for whatever reason. This is avoidance that isn't even attempted to be covered up. Why would town willingly disconnect himself from people who he could possibly extract valuable information out of? The only excuse would be that he's really mad, but he's willing to engage everyone else:
On October 29 2013 22:24 OOHCHILD wrote:
Today I will be keeping up with the thread, but that's it. I do not have the time to do analysis today.
I will be able to answer any questions from any non-shunned players but I will not be able to go back and reread the game.
The reason why I am diffusing my available time in this way is because
1 I am kind of busy today and most of my attention is being occupied by something else.
2 I want to minimize my chance of being lynched.
He's willing to talk to others who he didn't "shun", which means that he's okay with staying in this thread and participating in a limited, no-threat manner. This is a problem. He's also refusing to post analysis for the above 2 reasons:
1. Thread presence isn't limited to analysis. You could pressure people. You can make people give you answers. You can vote for people who you think are scum, or place a vote to do one of the two above.
2. Any player worth their salt should instantly recognize why Point #2 is scummy.
I already addressed my concerns with his Page 3 earlier on. Our brief dialogue on it starts here and goes down to the bottom of Page 56, where he repeats:
On October 30 2013 00:00 OOHCHILD wrote:
I play the game on my on terms and if you can't deal with that then lynch away.
##Shun all of you baddies
I also have a problem with this:
On October 30 2013 00:13 OOHCHILD wrote:
I am a terrible lynch because I tried to clear the only alternative bandwagon. I am a terrible lynch because I have not been afraid to stick out. I am a terrible lynch because I have given plenty of opinions and also given reasons why I have those opinions.
His attempt to make clarity innocent was heavily biased and didn't consider the possibility he was scum (I already pointed this out). His "fear of sticking out"? If he truly wasn't afraid, what's the deal with all the shunning?
What's the deal with "I want to minimize my chance of being lynched."? The second sentence of that post is false.
Mostly all he's done is ask questions and push Pandain, but at the same time he's actually constricting himself by not giving opinions. Analysis is how you give opinions on the situation, or at least opinions worth taking into account. By not analyzing, you're staying opinion-free and safe from harm.
I would tolerate this from a newbie, but not from a smurf.
On October 30 2013 03:15 OOHCHILD wrote:
Seuss looks pretty transparent and town with his recent explanations. Especially for second game scum. Going back to WoS I guess. I would rather lynch Sentinel or HotCottonCandy though.
I have no idea where he pulled me and HCC from. A browsing of his filter, plus a Ctrl-F for "sentinel" and "cotton", reveals he only mentioned either of us during a) timezones (what was the end result of that?) and b) telling everyone who he'd lynch. No evidence, no questions, nothing but names on a list.
And if the rationale for including me was because I powered my list and left it ambiguous (a la Seuss, et al.) then that throws any semblance of reasoning for Pandain being scum he had out the window. Either way it's pretty hypocritical.
This is why my vote is staying on OOHCHILD.
On October 30 2013 03:36 marvellosity wrote:Reposting: Show nested quote +On October 30 2013 01:47 WaveofShadow wrote:
As far as Seuss, I REALLY don't like his play now. When i originally faked my role use on him i figured he'd come back with strong analysis and play like he did in his newbie and would prove himself a good choice for my power, but he has done basically the opposite: sheeping town sentiment, no reads, and no strong posts one way or another.
Can anyone tell me why, when Wave apparently didn't have a clue who to lynch, this was not enough to vote on?
I have no idea, but I'm sticking to my guns on this one.
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Sentinel is there any apparent reason you have not commented on anything regarding WoS?
What do you think of WoS?
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I don't know how you feel about blues Sent as we've never discussed it that I remember but I believe blue roles exist to deal with players like OOOH.
What do you think about the suess/wos/panda triumvirate?
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I'ma see what I can come up with on WoS that wasn't already mentioned by Marv. Or rayn.
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I am not deserving of vig shot.
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Sentinel, we don't need new stuff, just why you agree or disagree...
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Long story short, agree.
I don't mean implication-wise, just general thoughts on him.
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...but if you have new stuff feel free to bring it up.
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WoS's filter doesn't make a lot of sense given Rayn's post. I'm trying to read into him and if nobody's willing to switch onto OOHCHILD I'm okay with voting for him.
I also don't understand why WoS being scum implies OOHCHILD being town. His random vote came during a time when ooh was held in high suspicion. Then there's this:
On October 30 2013 01:55 WaveofShadow wrote:
OOHCHILD comes back and is an absolute dick to everyone: I would have posted about how comfortable I am policy lynching him for such, but then he posts actual reads and analysis---the sentiment of which is infuriatingly different from basically anything anyone has at any point in time. He is confident enough to call me town right now when the entire thread wants my head in the noose and drawing the utmost attention to himself.
I don't recall seeing any analysis/good reads anywhere.
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