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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 29 2013 18:28 GMT
#1401
Wave and Seuss's unwillingness to kill each other is totally baffling to me.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 29 2013 18:28 GMT
#1402
On October 30 2013 03:26 strongandbig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 02:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
StrongandBig where the hell are you and why did you say exactly what i did about Pandain after you had read my comment about him and his play this game???


I'm in class you assdouche. Go take a chill pull. Preferably a suppository.

I assume you're referring to this post:

Show nested quote +
On October 29 2013 23:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi:

This is what Pandain's town play looks like:
Q/A, Q/A, Q/A, Q/A, summarization of his reads, Q/A, Q/A, Q/A, Q/A, summarization, maybe some sort of a case, repeat.

This is what Pandain's scum play looks like:
stuff, some weak reads, stuff, stuff, a case on someone, stuff, some defences against thread sentiment (usually on townies), soft buss, stuff, stuff, stuff, defence.. repeat from after the "a case on someone".

At some point that falls apart because he busses so much. When Pandain busses he does not really intend to lynch his scumbuddies. He does also defend a lot of people just for the sake of defending. You catch him when he has bussed someone and when they are up for a lynch he suddenly doesn't want to lynch them anymore (see Thug life and Palmar).


This actually isn't the same as what I said, what I'm talking about is the tone of the cases and summaries in his longer posts whereas i read your post as being about whether or not hes asking questions and whether hes mixing soft busses with "defenses against thread sentiment." I was pretty specific and so were you. I agree they are similar though.

Even if they were exactly the same, I would have posted my thing anyway because I want people to know what my thought process and analysis were. When I was making up my mind about pandain I did it without thinking about what you or other people said about him, I was looking at the evidence and making my own read.

Are you claiming that you think I just took your conclusion and then spent twenty minutes making it more specific, reading old games and filters and getting the evidence for it that you didn't, because that's easier than making up some shit? Or is it maybe more likely that I happened to come to a similar analysis as you?

No i don't. I would have expected you to say something about my post or me when you made a post quite similar.
Is there a reason you didn't?
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Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
October 29 2013 18:31 GMT
#1403
On October 30 2013 03:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 03:21 Seuss wrote:
On October 30 2013 03:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If i correctly read what Seuss is saying it makes sense.
Seuss do you think one of Wave and Pandain is scum now?


Probably. It would be weird to give all the vote powers to town. That would slant things against the mafia pretty hard.

Then again, why are you voting for Sentinel?


Well I happen to have put a whole lot of effort into making a case against him.

After Wave, myself, and Pandain all explicitly revealed it became evident that Wave fake-claiming wasn't likely, and so long as we had an alternative target we could test everyone's powers without needed to lynch voting power that may become critical as the game goes on. There was also a mess of confusion once Wave started martyring himself. If my idea also got everything on track so town wasn't running around like crazy, all the better.

I'll admit there's a chance we lose a useful power with Sentinel as well, but at the moment I think he looks scummier than Wave.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
October 29 2013 18:33 GMT
#1404
On October 30 2013 03:28 marvellosity wrote:
Wave and Seuss's unwillingness to kill each other is totally baffling to me.


He's afraid I won't ever carry him in League of Legends again.

More seriously, in terms of semi-independent arguments I can make against him versus Sentinel I think I've got a better case against Sentinel, but no one's really responded to it yet.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
October 29 2013 18:34 GMT
#1405
so, sorry, to clarify Suess: you believe that we shouldn't lynch someone because they have a power useful for town and yet you believe that that person may be, and in fact probably is, scum? You've called wave scum and your whole plan is about proving the claimed powers while lynching sent but you haven't said why proving the powers matters at all. Can you explain to me what it is about those powers that needs to be confirmed?
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 29 2013 18:35 GMT
#1406
[QUOTE]On October 30 2013 01:47 WaveofShadow wrote:
[QUOTE]On October 30 2013 01:43 marvellosity wrote:
As far as Seuss, I REALLY don't like his play now. When i originally faked my role use on him i figured he'd come back with strong analysis and play like he did in his newbie and would prove himself a good choice for my power, but he has done basically the opposite: sheeping town sentiment, no reads, and no strong posts one way or another.
[/QUOTE]

Can anyone tell me why, when Wave apparently didn't have a clue who to lynch, this was not enough to vote on?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 29 2013 18:36 GMT
#1407
Reposting:

On October 30 2013 01:47 WaveofShadow wrote:
As far as Seuss, I REALLY don't like his play now. When i originally faked my role use on him i figured he'd come back with strong analysis and play like he did in his newbie and would prove himself a good choice for my power, but he has done basically the opposite: sheeping town sentiment, no reads, and no strong posts one way or another.


Can anyone tell me why, when Wave apparently didn't have a clue who to lynch, this was not enough to vote on?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
October 29 2013 18:37 GMT
#1408
On October 30 2013 03:33 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 03:28 marvellosity wrote:
Wave and Seuss's unwillingness to kill each other is totally baffling to me.


He's afraid I won't ever carry him in League of Legends again.

More seriously, in terms of semi-independent arguments I can make against him versus Sentinel I think I've got a better case against Sentinel, but no one's really responded to it yet.


Calm your jimmies, I am in the process of responding to it just like I promised
Нас зовет дух отцов, память старых бойцов, дух Москвы и твердыня Полтавы
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 29 2013 18:39 GMT
#1409
On October 30 2013 03:31 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 03:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 30 2013 03:21 Seuss wrote:
On October 30 2013 03:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If i correctly read what Seuss is saying it makes sense.
Seuss do you think one of Wave and Pandain is scum now?


Probably. It would be weird to give all the vote powers to town. That would slant things against the mafia pretty hard.

Then again, why are you voting for Sentinel?


Well I happen to have put a whole lot of effort into making a case against him.

After Wave, myself, and Pandain all explicitly revealed it became evident that Wave fake-claiming wasn't likely, and so long as we had an alternative target we could test everyone's powers without needed to lynch voting power that may become critical as the game goes on. There was also a mess of confusion once Wave started martyring himself. If my idea also got everything on track so town wasn't running around like crazy, all the better.

I'll admit there's a chance we lose a useful power with Sentinel as well, but at the moment I think he looks scummier than Wave.

I think your case on Sentinel is fine and correct. But tbh i don't know if what you say makes him scum. Someone not trying to do much on D1 is not necessarily scummy, especially considering we are talking about Sentinel here, who is usually quite useless even as town.

However, WaveofShadow is not usually useless as town on D1. In addition to that, WoS has done things, but the things he has done are nowhere near what i would expect from town!WoS and he is not helping the town in any way or trying to find mafia.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 29 2013 18:41 GMT
#1410
EBWOP:
On October 30 2013 03:33 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 03:28 marvellosity wrote:
Wave and Seuss's unwillingness to kill each other is totally baffling to me.


He's afraid I won't ever carry him in League of Legends again.

More seriously, in terms of semi-independent arguments I can make against him versus Sentinel I think I've got a better case against Sentinel, but no one's really responded to it yet.

This is the post i was supposed to quote in my last reply.
table for two on a tv tray
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 29 2013 18:42 GMT
#1411
who cares, answer me, i need to go
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 29 2013 18:42 GMT
#1412
On October 30 2013 03:42 marvellosity wrote:
who cares, answer me, i need to go

me? what do i need to answer?
table for two on a tv tray
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 29 2013 18:43 GMT
#1413
i literally just made a post and i want answers. it's not hard
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 29 2013 18:43 GMT
#1414
not from you specifically, from anyone
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
October 29 2013 18:43 GMT
#1415
On October 30 2013 03:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 03:26 strongandbig wrote:
On October 30 2013 02:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
StrongandBig where the hell are you and why did you say exactly what i did about Pandain after you had read my comment about him and his play this game???


I'm in class you assdouche. Go take a chill pull. Preferably a suppository.

I assume you're referring to this post:

On October 29 2013 23:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi:

This is what Pandain's town play looks like:
Q/A, Q/A, Q/A, Q/A, summarization of his reads, Q/A, Q/A, Q/A, Q/A, summarization, maybe some sort of a case, repeat.

This is what Pandain's scum play looks like:
stuff, some weak reads, stuff, stuff, a case on someone, stuff, some defences against thread sentiment (usually on townies), soft buss, stuff, stuff, stuff, defence.. repeat from after the "a case on someone".

At some point that falls apart because he busses so much. When Pandain busses he does not really intend to lynch his scumbuddies. He does also defend a lot of people just for the sake of defending. You catch him when he has bussed someone and when they are up for a lynch he suddenly doesn't want to lynch them anymore (see Thug life and Palmar).


This actually isn't the same as what I said, what I'm talking about is the tone of the cases and summaries in his longer posts whereas i read your post as being about whether or not hes asking questions and whether hes mixing soft busses with "defenses against thread sentiment." I was pretty specific and so were you. I agree they are similar though.

Even if they were exactly the same, I would have posted my thing anyway because I want people to know what my thought process and analysis were. When I was making up my mind about pandain I did it without thinking about what you or other people said about him, I was looking at the evidence and making my own read.

Are you claiming that you think I just took your conclusion and then spent twenty minutes making it more specific, reading old games and filters and getting the evidence for it that you didn't, because that's easier than making up some shit? Or is it maybe more likely that I happened to come to a similar analysis as you?

No i don't. I would have expected you to say something about my post or me when you made a post quite similar.
Is there a reason you didn't?

I was writing out my thought process and giving evidence in that post, not evaluating the opinions of others. More importantly, I didn't take notes when I read through the thread, so picking through and finding what each person said would have been a waste of time and effort.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
October 29 2013 18:44 GMT
#1416
On October 30 2013 03:36 marvellosity wrote:
Reposting:

Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 01:47 WaveofShadow wrote:
As far as Seuss, I REALLY don't like his play now. When i originally faked my role use on him i figured he'd come back with strong analysis and play like he did in his newbie and would prove himself a good choice for my power, but he has done basically the opposite: sheeping town sentiment, no reads, and no strong posts one way or another.


Can anyone tell me why, when Wave apparently didn't have a clue who to lynch, this was not enough to vote on?


no I cannot.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 29 2013 18:44 GMT
#1417
On October 30 2013 03:36 marvellosity wrote:
Reposting:

Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 01:47 WaveofShadow wrote:
As far as Seuss, I REALLY don't like his play now. When i originally faked my role use on him i figured he'd come back with strong analysis and play like he did in his newbie and would prove himself a good choice for my power, but he has done basically the opposite: sheeping town sentiment, no reads, and no strong posts one way or another.


Can anyone tell me why, when Wave apparently didn't have a clue who to lynch, this was not enough to vote on?

Because scum.
table for two on a tv tray
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
October 29 2013 18:44 GMT
#1418
On October 30 2013 03:34 Promethelax wrote:
so, sorry, to clarify Suess: you believe that we shouldn't lynch someone because they have a power useful for town and yet you believe that that person may be, and in fact probably is, scum? You've called wave scum and your whole plan is about proving the claimed powers while lynching sent but you haven't said why proving the powers matters at all. Can you explain to me what it is about those powers that needs to be confirmed?


I don't think it's absolutely necessary to verify the voting powers, but at the time the vote train was solidly on Wave and I thought other possibilities were being overlooked. You specifically have been on my case for lacking independent thought, so when I had a unique idea that seemed to have merit I went for it.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
October 29 2013 18:45 GMT
#1419
but if scum why not lynch other dude and not himself? Is Suess scum too?
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
October 29 2013 18:45 GMT
#1420
@marv devils advocate - what if wave didnt want to lynch Seuss bc he has warm fuzzy feelings from coaching his noob game
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