EPTOn October 29 2013 23:15 marvellosity wrote:
This is still giving me the heebie jeebies
This is still giving me the heebie jeebies
you have a town read on Koshi/Sent?
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
you have a town read on Koshi/Sent? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43188 Posts
On October 29 2013 23:16 OOHCHILD wrote: I'm not a smurf but I'm also not new to this game. If I were mafia why would I try to clear the only alternate bandwagon? Hey are you from the Championship game? If so, who? | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On October 29 2013 23:14 marvellosity wrote: By the way, Clarity, if you're pulling this whole "ill" thing as mafia, I'm going to be so disappointed in you I can't convey it. I'm not that ill really. And I'm not mafia. Sooooo..... Like, it's something that you wouldn't expect from me, right? I don't think I would abuse that trust as scum. That's why I asked how much you believed in my lynch, cause I was being really sincere and.. well, out of character. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
rayn seems to believe Koshi is town. And Koshi hasn't gone away at least. And I'd have thought Sentinel would pretend to try some if he were mafia, like in Noir. So, I dunno. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On October 29 2013 23:17 Clarity_nl wrote: I'm not that ill really. And I'm not mafia. Sooooo..... Like, it's something that you wouldn't expect from me, right? I don't think I would abuse that trust as scum. That's why I asked how much you believed in my lynch, cause I was being really sincere and.. well, out of character. I don't really understand your angle here, but are you actually going to stick around and play then? If you're not that ill, then.... ? | ||
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OOHCHILD
United States570 Posts
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OOHCHILD
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
This is a quote from rayn in our hydra QT from Hogwarts. Which I used this game to watch Pandain. Also Pandain, you have gone into your scum!mode of making zero sense pushing bad lynches and having bad thoughts that make no sense. Plz if you are town step up your game and do not overthink stuff. I have been reading Pandain filter and his entire first page of his filter is pushing rayn early for bad reasons. This is exactly describing rayns scum Pandain meta as pushing a bad lynch. I think everybody agrees that it was a horrible push on rayn? Page 2 is not much better, starts off with toying around with OOHCHILD and backing off on his read on rayn: On October 28 2013 14:14 Pandain wrote: Woops I went to do homework, completely forgot I intended to be here. Honestly I was a bit upset that you guys are overcharacterizing my push when it was my best read at an early time and I was simply sharing it which was more then you guys were doing with circlejerk power-upping. I like Rayn's later play and found justifications for his play which I won't talk about, but I may have misread him early on. Still, ignoring that I think I would have a good read for this time. But then it is your turn to interrogate Pandain and Pandain is forced to talk a lot with you but happily does that and puts down gems like this: On October 28 2013 14:17 Pandain wrote: I mean I thought it was a real power and it sounded deadly against Koshi. What was I supposed to do? The first thing I said and it was modconfirmed fast that it was not a "real power" because rayn putted down a colon and it wouldn't have counted. Page 2 of his filter is dominated having a conversation with rayn/Prome. Nothing big there or am I missing something there? I think your (rayn) townread on Pandain must have been formed there? Why? The redeeming post forthe thread should be the big post that looks like it contains Pandains scumhunting/reads. + Show Spoiler + On October 29 2013 05:10 Pandain wrote: Marv is striking me as very town, which is very exciting for me. Usually I would think it would be hard to read Marv since he's such a good player, but even if he's scum he's still making really good points which, as long as we continue to judge them, will work in town favor. + Show Spoiler + He has also already posted 6 pages worth of shit, and they're all good. Indicative of town He really thought hard about Prom and I love what he said about Prom being way too cocky, I actually had a null read on him but now I think I have a moderate town read on him, probably not as "sure" in it as Marv. + Show Spoiler + he also wasn't a dick to me Originally I disagreed with Seuss being scummy but now I agree, with some addendums. Here is Marv's post: However I disagree with this slight suspicion of Seuss. Now if Seuss had written out his post during the course of 5 hours and thought very clearly and wanted to be 100% consistant, it would be suspicious (though still not scummy). His bolded statement mirrored my thoughts and is a defendable statement even if it isn't 100% justifiable since yes some people need others for their powers. The underlined is clearly just poor reading and doesn't indicate scum. The red statement is interesting however and important to think about. There are better reasons to be suspicious of Seuss Very poor post, list format instead of comprehensive. Also what is the middle paragraph which is a basic "I don't know." Also his other posts are really wishy-washy and constantly changing. I do think he's worth looking out for though shouldn't be a lynch target today. I do agree Clarity is suspicious, made a poor post which only focused on one person. It is so incredibly assumption based and wouldn't be what I expect Clarity to be suspicious of. He says Oats is suspicious because he didn't add to what someone else said. I don't know why but this post bothers me Then Marv calls him out and he immediately back tracks I also think Koshi is suspicious. Where is carefree Koshi? He's so defensive. He also isn't attempting to buddy Rayn which I have seen in all my past games which I'm pretty sure they've both been in them all. Now imo there are MANY things wrong with this post: 1) Pandain calls Marv town and Pandain is excited about that. But Pandain doesn't do something as simple as power marv up a couple hours later. 2) The biggest chunk of the post seem to be about Seuss. But look at what Pandain actually says, he is not giving any reason Seuss is scum except that marv is on the money (that's handy, instant 1-up on his new exciting townread) and makes a big deal about Seuss adding a paragraph on SnB that is without content. I think he is also saying that Seuss his reads on Oats and Prome are just listing what they do and that it is not real analysis but I disagree there. The things Seuss says about both Prom and Oats is him being transparant on how he sees both and why. Pandain then goes on saying Seuss makes a ton more wishy washy posts and that he is a good lynch... 3) Pandain agrees Clarity is a good lynch. The posts he quotes is actually not a bad post from Clarity, why would it be wrong for town Clarity to ask feedback on his case and interaction about it? I don't get that. 4) Koshi is suspicious. yabbayabba meta reasons yabbeyabbayabbe ... I was town in his eyes a couple hours before that. Dont know where that went... On October 29 2013 05:15 Pandain wrote: I'll be blunt Rayn the reason why I took my suspicion off of you was because you could be a mason role and therefore it would make sense to PM Marv. However if it's anything else there's no real justification for it as it reveals your role, unless, I forgot, the purpose of the role itself is to reveal it! You also upped your game and are being town. On October 29 2013 05:54 Pandain wrote: But I didn't realize your probably a mason role. I thought you were using a power to have another effect on someone which wouldn't be justifiable literally unless its a mason role. This looks like a kiss and make up attempt to be honest. I cut the biggest portion of that first post because it was some more asskissing why rayn is town. But wtf is it about the mason thing? Maybe it is correct and that is why you (rayn) don't see him as scum? I don't find that a good reason though. Page 3 of Pandain is nothing. There is nothing. There is litteraly nothing. Nothing. So that's why I have a scumread on Pandain. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
I kinda like WoS. He's very confrontational and direct, especially regarding my early posts. The only thing that irks me is this: On October 28 2013 14:28 WaveofShadow wrote: Do you think as scum I would be likely to attack a town Prom as my primary mislynch target? Prom is there a reason you don't feel like talking to me and instead feel the need to graze over my questions with Oats instead? Am I bothering you? Like, is there some kind of history here that warrants this question? If there's not then this is pretty fishy. Definitely not a good lynch day 1, though. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On October 29 2013 23:26 marvellosity wrote: If you're not gonna find a decent lynch, Clarity, then I'm going to lynch the fuck out of you because I'm pretty angry that you'd pull this bullshit. That seems a bit silly, you should be lynching scum. I'm here and giving you some stuff, no? I could just be fucking off instead. Reading pandain. I kinda like Koshi's case. Especially the part about him piggybacking on my lynch but finding his own reason for it, and the reason being silly. Like, you and WoS call my opening post bad but don't explain it, so I ask you guys to discuss it with me, and pandain finds THAT suspicious? Seems like an attempt to not look like he's sheeping. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On October 29 2013 23:28 Clarity_nl wrote: That seems a bit silly, you should be lynching scum. I'm here and giving you some stuff, no? I could just be fucking off instead. Reading pandain. I kinda like Koshi's case. Especially the part about him piggybacking on my lynch but finding his own reason for it, and the reason being silly. Like, you and WoS call my opening post bad but don't explain it, so I ask you guys to discuss it with me, and pandain finds THAT suspicious? Seems like an attempt to not look like he's sheeping. I think scum-Clarity is much more likely to pull ill-crap and demotivated-crap than town-Clarity. | ||
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OOHCHILD
United States570 Posts
And marvel why are you so in love with policy lynches this game? You want to policy lynch me for questioning your logic even. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
marv, are you angry with me or do you think I'm scum? Like, how can you have both of those? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
I also think you're more likely to play this way as mafia. | ||
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OOHCHILD
United States570 Posts
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On October 29 2013 23:31 marvellosity wrote: I'm angry because as either alignment I think your play has been below the belt. I also think you're more likely to play this way as mafia. Could you explain that to me? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43188 Posts
This is what Pandain's town play looks like: Q/A, Q/A, Q/A, Q/A, summarization of his reads, Q/A, Q/A, Q/A, Q/A, summarization, maybe some sort of a case, repeat. This is what Pandain's scum play looks like: stuff, some weak reads, stuff, stuff, a case on someone, stuff, some defences against thread sentiment (usually on townies), soft buss, stuff, stuff, stuff, defence.. repeat from after the "a case on someone". At some point that falls apart because he busses so much. When Pandain busses he does not really intend to lynch his scumbuddies. He does also defend a lot of people just for the sake of defending. You catch him when he has bussed someone and when they are up for a lynch he suddenly doesn't want to lynch them anymore (see Thug life and Palmar). | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On October 29 2013 23:32 marvellosity wrote: What's there to explain? Why am I more likely to do this as scum? I'd argue it's less likely because I screw my team over, whereas when I play town it feels much more like I'm playing alone and only screwing myself over (even if I know at some level that that's not true) | ||
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