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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On September 02 2013 13:31 austinmcc wrote: You just aren't Chezinuing hard enough. I have seen zero posts in which you claim to be a bank. And where are the cryptic Youtube videos? | ||
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Onegu
United States9695 Posts
On September 02 2013 10:43 cakepie wrote: Guys, side note, the player list order has been modified. + Show Spoiler [changelist] +
How much of this are you responsible for, Onegu? My best guess is you only moved yourself? Also, Hiro seems to have known in advance that something was going to happen around Felkyr. That's in addition to being somehow convinced beforehand that BH was going to die D1 What's your deal, Hiro? ##Vote: HiroPro viva BH, etc ----- you might want to put that in the vote thread A small part. I moved stutters above me. After that it wasnt me who flipped it upside down. | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
On September 02 2013 13:31 austinmcc wrote: You just aren't Chezinuing hard enough. I have seen zero posts in which you claim to be a bank. I think I've done that before: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=15107699 | ||
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Onegu
United States9695 Posts
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
On September 02 2013 11:33 MrZentor wrote: I don't really think I need your help, Cephiro has already helped me a lot... yeah and you can help me by doing what I asked, or not? Do I know Cephiros alignment? I am not stupid. | ||
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
On September 02 2013 12:16 HiroPro wrote: He may have thought it about, but Axlegreaser did not seem have the same opinion of BH/VE being very likely mafia that I did. Furthermore from the posts of his that I read he did seem to indicate that there would be some sort of small risk if there were multiple mafia there: Read here: There's no point in explaining. You wouldn't understand without having played in games with Chezinu. So apart from... simply state and when asked reply VE + BH scum. + Show Spoiler + On September 01 2013 08:28 HiroPro wrote: Because Blazinghand is almost certainly mafia and viscera is very likely mafia also. His power is obviously not a negative effect as he's openly requesting people to vote for him and doesn't seem concerned about backlash. Giving them any benefit/power is just dumb. Did you try to convince me they were scum and it would be better plan to use another 3. Did you nominate another 3. Did you try and find out how small the risk and whether in risk versus reward sense i claimed it was Ok? Did you check if I 'didnt seem concerned' but had instead been deliberately as restrictive as I could in what I said? Aka as you didnt know if backlash from two was problem did you find out for sure? As it turns out you were likely wrong about both VE and Bh, did you try and find out why i thought different? A towny question you could have asked yourself is was I right(you wrong) I wrong(you right) or scum? Did you check out just how analytically I had exactly been in evaluating the entire tree of possibilities. The way i tell the difference between scum and town is by the intentions behind the stuff they do do. and also by the stuff they try and do and how well. So very many towny things you could have tried to do given the mindset you claim to have had Please show me you trying to do towny things today. ##vote: HiroPro | ||
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
HiroPro(4) < CakePie, debears, Felkyr, Axle (seems popular) Mr Z(1) < Cakepie(1) < HiroPro. (OMGUS?) | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
On September 02 2013 15:21 AxleGreaser wrote: What's the motivation in me even bothering to ask you to hold your power as mafia? geript had said multiple times that votes weren't going to matter at all for the day. If I was mafia, I would know for certain that your power would just be wasted, so why would I tell you to not use your power if I was mafia?So apart from... simply state and when asked reply VE + BH scum. + Show Spoiler + On September 01 2013 08:28 HiroPro wrote: Because Blazinghand is almost certainly mafia and viscera is very likely mafia also. His power is obviously not a negative effect as he's openly requesting people to vote for him and doesn't seem concerned about backlash. Giving them any benefit/power is just dumb. Did you try to convince me they were scum and it would be better plan to use another 3. Did you nominate another 3. Did you try and find out how small the risk and whether in risk versus reward sense i claimed it was Ok? Did you check if I 'didnt seem concerned' but had instead been deliberately as restrictive as I could in what I said? Aka as you didnt know if backlash from two was problem did you find out for sure? As it turns out you were likely wrong about both VE and Bh, did you try and find out why i thought different? A towny question you could have asked yourself is was I right(you wrong) I wrong(you right) or scum? Did you check out just how analytically I had exactly been in evaluating the entire tree of possibilities. The way i tell the difference between scum and town is by the intentions behind the stuff they do do. and also by the stuff they try and do and how well. So very many towny things you could have tried to do given the mindset you claim to have had Please show me you trying to do towny things today. ##vote: HiroPro | ||
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
On September 02 2013 15:43 HiroPro wrote: What's the motivation in me even bothering to ask you to hold your power as mafia? geript had said multiple times that votes weren't going to matter at all for the day. If I was mafia, I would know for certain that your power would just be wasted, so why would I tell you to not use your power if I was mafia? I have multiple scummy reason a person might do that.... Which would be most likely would believe how much misinformation you had swallowed. 0/ You are mafia and stuffed (by not having towny motives see above) when given an unusual choice. 1/ Too look busy. 2/ cant work out how else to respond so you sheep someone... 3/ emotionally speaking .... As mafia there are other things you may not know. Mafia were suddenly left not having the D1 lynch go just how they planned. 4/ I promise I made up N different powers I might or might not have that would all mean i might have done what i did at that time. BTW one of them would be VT.... 5/ That I wanted some of mafias best targets to vote for me... might well have meant town had some counter power... What I don't see is you making towny effort as per above. Please do towny stuff today.. aka now. | ||
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
I still believe there is information to be gained by examining who voted where when and why. @everyone Towny points (if you think you need them) if someone can suggest that while the D1 lynch is quite a wash in terms of normal analysis of votes as scum were neither trying to drive nor disrupt Geripts lynch How can you analyse the D1 lynch and try to glean some info about who was scum or town motivated? | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17322 Posts
On September 02 2013 13:32 WaveofShadow wrote: And where are the cryptic Youtube videos? I feel like Stalin does in that video who stole my chronosphere?!?... And yeah I'm conceited regarding YouTube in the thread. Sigh, now I am powerless. Oh yeah. ##Vote: ShiaoPi Blazinghand's reads are indeed gospel! | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
It was very briefly in my fucking possession. I gave away this “The D6” item due to my “Give item” action. So I know 1 out of 2 people should have it. But I know what it is: It shuffles all the items between people holding items. It says it has a 2 turn cooldown, (but it is a 1 turn cooldown actually) because it can be used again on n3. The item I gave to VA was so perfect for VA. Now some evul scummer might have it ;.; Fucking totally random item this "The D6". I haven't read the rest of the thread. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
REALLY BAD. | ||
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cakepie
985 Posts
Hiro, maybe you don't take me seriously because I'm an easy OMGUS for you to brush off? Or maybe I need to spell everything out because you can't be bothered to check back for other issues raised against you? OMGUS aside, you've chosen to bank a large portion of your defense on the fact that scum would have known what is going to happen with the D1 lynch, and thus wouldn't need to deter AxleGreaser from his plan. But this is a faulty argument. What we have here is role madness, or -- to use your own words -- a "fairly ridiculous themed game", so there is no way for scum to really know ahead of time what would happen in an interaction between the mass vote rig and some other unknown (AG's) power. Among other scenarios, what if BH survives and the vote rigging is revealed? Or the intended vote rig goes awry due to other redirection? Scared scum might worry about losing control over the outcome of the D1 lynch that they thought they had in the bag. As I see it, "BH & VE scum" is not a valid reason. AG has eloquently explained that there are any number of alternative/additional actions that a seriously concerned townie could have done to pursue the matter if they were worried about conferring advantages to hypothetically scum BH and/or VE. On September 02 2013 11:05 HiroPro wrote:the reason I knew about the player list being important is that I played in the Aperture 2: Portal mafia game, nothing to do with my role. That doesn't explain the spacing around Felkyr, who as it turns out was the pivot point of the rotation from Felkyr-Stutters-Onegu into Onegu-Stutters-Felkyr. Coincidence? Yeah right. On September 02 2013 13:46 Onegu wrote: But we talked about it in BM chat and stutters claimed to be able to do something to the person above him in the thread and wanted to be below felkyr. Maybe a scum was in BM qt and decided to not let that happen This provides an interesting avenue for inquiry. The other thing of course, is your persistent tunnel on BH that has no serious follow up. It's been brought up by BH and others so I didn't see a need to mention it again, but apparently I need to be explicit about everything, so here goes. First you finger him for his conduct with cora, followed by random yelling at people to vote him. That's hardly a persuasive way to build a wagon that you are serious about. Then, you call BH's vote on geript "opportunistic": On August 31 2013 07:44 HiroPro wrote: This post in particular appears very suspicious. There's no evidence to indicate that BH had any prior suspicion of geript and he doesn't even attempt to offer any sort of reason for lynching geript. Think about this carefully - what's the first reaction that a town player would likely have when they see someone claim "unlynchable". They'd either think that it's a ludicrous claim or they'd start wondering why someone would claim this (as either alignment). How about, calling geript's bluff? He's been known to claim ridiculous things before. Scummy play + ludicrous claim -> why not test that claim? "opportunistic" is pretty weak sauce. Subsequently you stick to "BH scum" but don't actually try to persuade anyone about your case on him -- even before it is clear that we'd get a geript majority and his redirect on BH. (See also, "BH scum, AG don't do it" without any effort to follow up) You know what's worse than not explicitly giving a stance? Pretending to have a stance. | ||
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cakepie
985 Posts
The last point above is no longer true, the stray extra mention no longer exists. Can a host please confirm that the additional mention was in error and has thus been rectified? ----- Viscera Eyes has died! This is in black because? a) complete no flip (no role, no alignment, black because default font color) b) no roleflip only, known to be 3p and/or BM alignment c) won't tell ya TIA | ||
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cakepie
985 Posts
On September 02 2013 17:33 Koshi wrote: THERE IS A SUPERRETARDED ITEM CALLED “THE D6”. It was very briefly in my fucking possession. I gave away this “The D6” item due to my “Give item” action. So I know 1 out of 2 people should have it. But I know what it is: It shuffles all the items between people holding items. It says it has a 2 turn cooldown, (but it is a 1 turn cooldown actually) because it can be used again on n3. The item I gave to VA was so perfect for VA. Now some evul scummer might have it ;.; Fucking totally random item this "The D6". I haven't read the rest of the thread. On September 01 2013 05:54 Alakaslam wrote: If Blazinghand dies, say goodbye to items you have & you get fresh new ones. A.K.A. I messes up your plans regarding items. Because is only threat I can make. Well and other stuff but I can't really control that. brb banging head on wall | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17322 Posts
On September 02 2013 18:03 cakepie wrote: brb banging head on wall IT WAS KOSHI THEY STOLE IT FROM US! And yes, I warned you ppl you blame geript. 2am good night desert fried me see you tomorrow | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
##Vote Alakaslam | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17322 Posts
On September 02 2013 18:13 Koshi wrote: ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME ALAKSLAM? YOU BETTER BE SCUM. YOU BETTER BE SCUM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Pfft Blazinghand = best I threatened I was ignored I can't do it again. Now lemme sleep | ||
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