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On September 02 2013 09:53 MrZentor wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 04:27 Clarity_nl wrote:On September 02 2013 03:21 MrZentor wrote:
The point of it is to tell everybody that if geript flips scum, we need to lynch somebody in that list.
That's all. The way you decide to do this is to write out all 7 names and call all seven "extremely suspicious". Instead of just saying "if geript flips red we should look at the people who vote felkyr" On September 02 2013 02:33 MrZentor wrote:On September 02 2013 02:20 strongandbig wrote:On September 02 2013 01:54 MrZentor wrote:
I'm extremely suspicious of the following people: Oatsmaster, Dandel Ion, Mr. Cheesecake, Clarity_nl, Koshi, raynpelikoneet, VayneAuthority and their shady attempt to save geript.
We should definitely lynch one of them if a vigilante manages to kill geript. What about me and my completely open attempt to persuade people not to vote geript? Did you read the thread or just the votes? Why would scum try to "save" geript if they knew the votes didnt matter anyway? And isn't trying to "save" geript only scummy if he flips scum? Or do you already know that he will? Yes, obviously there are people who tried to saved geript and didn't vote for felkyr, but they clearly weren't doing their best to save him and therefore not as likely to be scum . So he could wait to use his ability for when it would be much more useful? I should have been clear that I'm assuming geript flips scum. I think it's likely given the circumstances. It's also why I said the some of the people were "extremely suspicious" instead of saying that there were definitely scum in the list. Alright, let's just buy this explanation that you didn't scumslip and you were simply talking about a scenario where geript flips scum. How is trying to push a wagon that is not geript fine, but if it is felkyr it is extremely suspicious. stronganbig has it right. It seems like you haven't even read the game and you just went off the votecount to paint a wide array of people scummy. Not only did you backtrack from 100% certain geript will flip scum to "I dunno what he'll flip but if he flips scum blabla" But then there's this: On September 02 2013 02:47 MrZentor wrote:On September 02 2013 02:20 Clarity_nl wrote:
How the fuck can you be extremely suspicious of 7 people for doing the exact same thing.
Can you narrow down the list, maybe? Because you didn't actually... do anything. I'm purposely not narrowing down the list until geript flips scum, because if he ends up not flipping scum, all the time spent narrowing down the list would be wasted. (Obviously at least half of the people on the list are almost certainly town) This is some class A bullshit. You just explained why you don't wanna waste a bunch of time narrowing down the list, and then you immediately follow it by saying Obviously at least half of the people on the list are almost certainly town. If it is obvious, why would you have to spend ANY amount of time on it? If it is obvious, why do you call EVERYONE on that list suspicious?? I try to make him clarify: On September 02 2013 03:06 MrZentor wrote:On September 02 2013 02:51 Clarity_nl wrote:
If at obviously least half the people on that list are town why are do you even list them or "mark" them as suspicious. Have you not decided which half yet?????? You're kidding, right? Everybody knows which half it is. Zentor is saying everybody knows which of the people on that list are likely town. Then WHY DID YOU CALL EVERYONE ON THAT LIST EXTREMELY SUSPICIOUS. Zentor cannot keep his story straight, which means he's not actually thinking about the game. His posts (especially this votecount analysis without context) are designed to make it look like he's thinking about the game. Therefore Zentor is scum. Clarity, do you still think I scumslipped and gave away that both I geript are scum?
I'm no confident anymore that it is a scumslip. But notice how I brush past it in my case too.
I guess it's possible for you to say it like that as town, although it feels off.
Everything else makes you scum though. You should put some reads in the thread now
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On September 02 2013 09:54 Hassybaby wrote:Huh....turns out I didn't roll high enough to save VE 
Are you the one that made him a noflip?
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On September 02 2013 09:36 MrZentor wrote:
I'm surprised nobody managed to kill geript.
Meh.
For instance write a significantly larger number of words about why you were surprised.
What you thought might happen but did not.
You could then try and provide any thoughts you derive from that that might be helpful to town.
Such as what it implies for what town should do.
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On September 02 2013 09:59 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 09:53 MrZentor wrote:On September 02 2013 04:27 Clarity_nl wrote:On September 02 2013 03:21 MrZentor wrote:
The point of it is to tell everybody that if geript flips scum, we need to lynch somebody in that list.
That's all. The way you decide to do this is to write out all 7 names and call all seven "extremely suspicious". Instead of just saying "if geript flips red we should look at the people who vote felkyr" On September 02 2013 02:33 MrZentor wrote:On September 02 2013 02:20 strongandbig wrote:On September 02 2013 01:54 MrZentor wrote:
I'm extremely suspicious of the following people: Oatsmaster, Dandel Ion, Mr. Cheesecake, Clarity_nl, Koshi, raynpelikoneet, VayneAuthority and their shady attempt to save geript.
We should definitely lynch one of them if a vigilante manages to kill geript. What about me and my completely open attempt to persuade people not to vote geript? Did you read the thread or just the votes? Why would scum try to "save" geript if they knew the votes didnt matter anyway? And isn't trying to "save" geript only scummy if he flips scum? Or do you already know that he will? Yes, obviously there are people who tried to saved geript and didn't vote for felkyr, but they clearly weren't doing their best to save him and therefore not as likely to be scum . So he could wait to use his ability for when it would be much more useful? I should have been clear that I'm assuming geript flips scum. I think it's likely given the circumstances. It's also why I said the some of the people were "extremely suspicious" instead of saying that there were definitely scum in the list. Alright, let's just buy this explanation that you didn't scumslip and you were simply talking about a scenario where geript flips scum. How is trying to push a wagon that is not geript fine, but if it is felkyr it is extremely suspicious. stronganbig has it right. It seems like you haven't even read the game and you just went off the votecount to paint a wide array of people scummy. Not only did you backtrack from 100% certain geript will flip scum to "I dunno what he'll flip but if he flips scum blabla" But then there's this: On September 02 2013 02:47 MrZentor wrote:On September 02 2013 02:20 Clarity_nl wrote:
How the fuck can you be extremely suspicious of 7 people for doing the exact same thing.
Can you narrow down the list, maybe? Because you didn't actually... do anything. I'm purposely not narrowing down the list until geript flips scum, because if he ends up not flipping scum, all the time spent narrowing down the list would be wasted. (Obviously at least half of the people on the list are almost certainly town) This is some class A bullshit. You just explained why you don't wanna waste a bunch of time narrowing down the list, and then you immediately follow it by saying Obviously at least half of the people on the list are almost certainly town. If it is obvious, why would you have to spend ANY amount of time on it? If it is obvious, why do you call EVERYONE on that list suspicious?? I try to make him clarify: On September 02 2013 03:06 MrZentor wrote:On September 02 2013 02:51 Clarity_nl wrote:
If at obviously least half the people on that list are town why are do you even list them or "mark" them as suspicious. Have you not decided which half yet?????? You're kidding, right? Everybody knows which half it is. Zentor is saying everybody knows which of the people on that list are likely town. Then WHY DID YOU CALL EVERYONE ON THAT LIST EXTREMELY SUSPICIOUS. Zentor cannot keep his story straight, which means he's not actually thinking about the game. His posts (especially this votecount analysis without context) are designed to make it look like he's thinking about the game. Therefore Zentor is scum. Clarity, do you still think I scumslipped and gave away that both I geript are scum? I'm no confident anymore that it is a scumslip. But notice how I brush past it in my case too. I guess it's possible for you to say it like that as town, although it feels off. Everything else makes you scum though. You should put some reads in the thread now
I mean, I responded to everything you said in your case and show you why it's all townie, but you haven't responded.
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Well, aside from two townies dying, some other things went pretty nicely tonight. Btw, don't lynch Zentor today. I have my reasons to believe he is town.
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On September 02 2013 10:01 MrZentor wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 09:59 Clarity_nl wrote:On September 02 2013 09:53 MrZentor wrote:On September 02 2013 04:27 Clarity_nl wrote:On September 02 2013 03:21 MrZentor wrote:
The point of it is to tell everybody that if geript flips scum, we need to lynch somebody in that list.
That's all. The way you decide to do this is to write out all 7 names and call all seven "extremely suspicious". Instead of just saying "if geript flips red we should look at the people who vote felkyr" On September 02 2013 02:33 MrZentor wrote:On September 02 2013 02:20 strongandbig wrote:On September 02 2013 01:54 MrZentor wrote:
I'm extremely suspicious of the following people: Oatsmaster, Dandel Ion, Mr. Cheesecake, Clarity_nl, Koshi, raynpelikoneet, VayneAuthority and their shady attempt to save geript.
We should definitely lynch one of them if a vigilante manages to kill geript. What about me and my completely open attempt to persuade people not to vote geript? Did you read the thread or just the votes? Why would scum try to "save" geript if they knew the votes didnt matter anyway? And isn't trying to "save" geript only scummy if he flips scum? Or do you already know that he will? Yes, obviously there are people who tried to saved geript and didn't vote for felkyr, but they clearly weren't doing their best to save him and therefore not as likely to be scum . So he could wait to use his ability for when it would be much more useful? I should have been clear that I'm assuming geript flips scum. I think it's likely given the circumstances. It's also why I said the some of the people were "extremely suspicious" instead of saying that there were definitely scum in the list. Alright, let's just buy this explanation that you didn't scumslip and you were simply talking about a scenario where geript flips scum. How is trying to push a wagon that is not geript fine, but if it is felkyr it is extremely suspicious. stronganbig has it right. It seems like you haven't even read the game and you just went off the votecount to paint a wide array of people scummy. Not only did you backtrack from 100% certain geript will flip scum to "I dunno what he'll flip but if he flips scum blabla" But then there's this: On September 02 2013 02:47 MrZentor wrote:On September 02 2013 02:20 Clarity_nl wrote:
How the fuck can you be extremely suspicious of 7 people for doing the exact same thing.
Can you narrow down the list, maybe? Because you didn't actually... do anything. I'm purposely not narrowing down the list until geript flips scum, because if he ends up not flipping scum, all the time spent narrowing down the list would be wasted. (Obviously at least half of the people on the list are almost certainly town) This is some class A bullshit. You just explained why you don't wanna waste a bunch of time narrowing down the list, and then you immediately follow it by saying Obviously at least half of the people on the list are almost certainly town. If it is obvious, why would you have to spend ANY amount of time on it? If it is obvious, why do you call EVERYONE on that list suspicious?? I try to make him clarify: On September 02 2013 03:06 MrZentor wrote:On September 02 2013 02:51 Clarity_nl wrote:
If at obviously least half the people on that list are town why are do you even list them or "mark" them as suspicious. Have you not decided which half yet?????? You're kidding, right? Everybody knows which half it is. Zentor is saying everybody knows which of the people on that list are likely town. Then WHY DID YOU CALL EVERYONE ON THAT LIST EXTREMELY SUSPICIOUS. Zentor cannot keep his story straight, which means he's not actually thinking about the game. His posts (especially this votecount analysis without context) are designed to make it look like he's thinking about the game. Therefore Zentor is scum. Clarity, do you still think I scumslipped and gave away that both I geript are scum? I'm no confident anymore that it is a scumslip. But notice how I brush past it in my case too. I guess it's possible for you to say it like that as town, although it feels off. Everything else makes you scum though. You should put some reads in the thread now I mean, I responded to everything you said in your case and show you why it's all townie, but you haven't responded.
No real point in me going "you're scum" and you replying "I'm town" a bunch of times.
I disagree with your assessment of yourself.
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On September 02 2013 10:06 Cephiro wrote:
Well, aside from two townies dying, some other things went pretty nicely tonight. Btw, don't lynch Zentor today. I have my reasons to believe he is town.
It didn't have anything to do with Isaac, did it?
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Did not get the item koshi was talking about =/ it was either stolen, koshi was RB'ed, or he was lying so I await his response.
Who's up for a good old hiro/shaio double lynch? all hail BH.
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On September 02 2013 10:11 MrZentor wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 10:06 Cephiro wrote:
Well, aside from two townies dying, some other things went pretty nicely tonight. Btw, don't lynch Zentor today. I have my reasons to believe he is town. It didn't have anything to do with Isaac, did it?
You're asking me? Err... no idea. Should tell me if you know anything about oats though.
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A double lynch eh? That's interesting.
RIP in peace Dandel, you were greatly admired.
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Guys, side note, the player list order has been modified.
+ Show Spoiler [changelist] +- Stutters removed from #10, whole list shifted up from here
- ShiaoPi - Felkyr - Onegu - randombum becomes ShiaoPi - Onegu - Stutters - Felkyr - randombum
- rest unchanged
- Stutters is mentioned again after #31 but before replacements. ???
How much of this are you responsible for, Onegu? My best guess is you only moved yourself?
Also, Hiro seems to have known in advance that something was going to happen around Felkyr.
That's in addition to being somehow convinced beforehand that BH was going to die D1
What's your deal, Hiro?
##Vote: HiroPro
viva BH, etc
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On September 02 2013 09:41 AxleGreaser wrote:
Day 2:
##vote MrZentor
you might want to put that in the vote thread
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@Oats
Are you still interested in lynching Geript? Why?
@Debears
On September 02 2013 09:54 debears wrote:
I am actually debating using my power and possibly suicide
jk though. I really want to though just to be epic
Is it feasible for you to be able to explain your super ultra mega awesome power to the thread?
I'm probably not going to lynch Zentor today guys. The pseudo mafia reads on him feel bad. Like, "Oh, here's a bunch of bad speculation about setup / pre-flip associations bad". He hasn't been that objectively scummy imo. Mr. Z was also very inactive in some other games I played with him when he was town, and only stepped it up late game. I can believe his 'not confidence' in the early game.
Is there a possibility of killing Risen with the double lynch today? Useless guy is useless.
OR we can lynch Felkyr and Geript to know where we stood day 1! FLIPS FLIPS FLIPS. Although I think Geript probably isn't mafia unless GreY is a bastard. So we can substitude him with Hiro / Oats / Shaio perhaps. My reads are all over the place right now with no lynch flips =\
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On September 02 2013 10:43 cakepie wrote:Guys, side note, the player list order has been modified. + Show Spoiler [changelist] +- Stutters removed from #10, whole list shifted up from here
- ShiaoPi - Felkyr - Onegu - randombum becomes ShiaoPi - Onegu - Stutters - Felkyr - randombum
- rest unchanged
- Stutters is mentioned again after #31 but before replacements. ???
How much of this are you responsible for, Onegu? My best guess is you only moved yourself? Also, Hiro seems to have known in advance that something was going to happen around Felkyr. That's in addition to being somehow convinced beforehand that BH was going to die D1 What's your deal, Hiro? ##Vote: HiroProviva BH, etc ----- you might want to put that in the vote thread
Appreciate the update, didn't notice that. Why does Hiro knowing Felkyr was going to move make him mafia?
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On September 02 2013 10:01 MrZentor wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 09:59 Clarity_nl wrote:On September 02 2013 09:53 MrZentor wrote:On September 02 2013 04:27 Clarity_nl wrote:On September 02 2013 03:21 MrZentor wrote:
The point of it is to tell everybody that if geript flips scum, we need to lynch somebody in that list.
That's all. The way you decide to do this is to write out all 7 names and call all seven "extremely suspicious". Instead of just saying "if geript flips red we should look at the people who vote felkyr" On September 02 2013 02:33 MrZentor wrote:On September 02 2013 02:20 strongandbig wrote:On September 02 2013 01:54 MrZentor wrote:
I'm extremely suspicious of the following people: Oatsmaster, Dandel Ion, Mr. Cheesecake, Clarity_nl, Koshi, raynpelikoneet, VayneAuthority and their shady attempt to save geript.
We should definitely lynch one of them if a vigilante manages to kill geript. What about me and my completely open attempt to persuade people not to vote geript? Did you read the thread or just the votes? Why would scum try to "save" geript if they knew the votes didnt matter anyway? And isn't trying to "save" geript only scummy if he flips scum? Or do you already know that he will? Yes, obviously there are people who tried to saved geript and didn't vote for felkyr, but they clearly weren't doing their best to save him and therefore not as likely to be scum . So he could wait to use his ability for when it would be much more useful? I should have been clear that I'm assuming geript flips scum. I think it's likely given the circumstances. It's also why I said the some of the people were "extremely suspicious" instead of saying that there were definitely scum in the list. Alright, let's just buy this explanation that you didn't scumslip and you were simply talking about a scenario where geript flips scum. How is trying to push a wagon that is not geript fine, but if it is felkyr it is extremely suspicious. stronganbig has it right. It seems like you haven't even read the game and you just went off the votecount to paint a wide array of people scummy. Not only did you backtrack from 100% certain geript will flip scum to "I dunno what he'll flip but if he flips scum blabla" But then there's this: On September 02 2013 02:47 MrZentor wrote:On September 02 2013 02:20 Clarity_nl wrote:
How the fuck can you be extremely suspicious of 7 people for doing the exact same thing.
Can you narrow down the list, maybe? Because you didn't actually... do anything. I'm purposely not narrowing down the list until geript flips scum, because if he ends up not flipping scum, all the time spent narrowing down the list would be wasted. (Obviously at least half of the people on the list are almost certainly town) This is some class A bullshit. You just explained why you don't wanna waste a bunch of time narrowing down the list, and then you immediately follow it by saying Obviously at least half of the people on the list are almost certainly town. If it is obvious, why would you have to spend ANY amount of time on it? If it is obvious, why do you call EVERYONE on that list suspicious?? I try to make him clarify: On September 02 2013 03:06 MrZentor wrote:On September 02 2013 02:51 Clarity_nl wrote:
If at obviously least half the people on that list are town why are do you even list them or "mark" them as suspicious. Have you not decided which half yet?????? You're kidding, right? Everybody knows which half it is. Zentor is saying everybody knows which of the people on that list are likely town. Then WHY DID YOU CALL EVERYONE ON THAT LIST EXTREMELY SUSPICIOUS. Zentor cannot keep his story straight, which means he's not actually thinking about the game. His posts (especially this votecount analysis without context) are designed to make it look like he's thinking about the game. Therefore Zentor is scum. Clarity, do you still think I scumslipped and gave away that both I geript are scum? I'm no confident anymore that it is a scumslip. But notice how I brush past it in my case too. I guess it's possible for you to say it like that as town, although it feels off. Everything else makes you scum though. You should put some reads in the thread now I mean, I responded to everything you said in your case and show you why it's all townie, but you haven't responded.
please remember how there is problem with people assuming that just because of the words used they assume the speaker is either certain or not certain someone else is scum.....
For the moment assume this.... I think you are town. I am worried other people don't.
In order for me to get you to convince them you are town, I ask you one (or more questions)
Q. You were earlier analysing what happened with yesterdays votes and you did that to work out who was how likely to be scum.
Start with these assumptions (or others if you prefer)
Geript got a scum PM. Felkyr got a town PM. The scum for the duration of the day new they could redirect the lynch at days end.
Considering the following may be helpful too. (maybe not post about them but helpful consider)
Do remember that at some point in the day geript "claimed" he played to his scum meta (all day?) intentionally.
Do you (reading his filter) believe he did that (played purposeful to his scum meta all day)? or is there some point where he said oops and changed plans, or did he from the start get himself targeted to be lynched.
If he did that as a plan all day where and when do you think scum might have voted?
Do note thinking about his as a towny (who does not know who is and is not scum) is harder for scum to fake especially if you post lots of words about it.
I am town, I just checked my Pm again. If you check yours and you are town. Help me help you?
+ Show Spoiler +If you are scum.... wanna dance? paranoia is an old friend of mine.  if you are town prudent trust is marvellous thing, and its hard to fake too.
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/yawn. I could quote stuff, but I'm feeling lazy so I'll leave it at this.
I'm fairly certain that cakepie is mafia based on the way that he goes after his vote targets. He doesn't seem to be interested in looking for mafia but instead goes after players on fairly inconsequential things. On day 1, he goes after alakaslam on the assertion that he's useless even if town and randomly decides to announce that he's pressure voting Felkyr. These are fairly "safe" classic mafia votes; there's no pressure to provide actual valid reasoning with these types of votes. Even now in his push on me he never attempts to explain why any of my actions or behavior are mafia-motivated. For example, what's the purpose of trying to dissuade Axlegreaser from using his power if I'm mafia and know that it won't matter as the wagon gets changed?
It's also important to note that not once has cakepie offered any sort of opinion on geript's alignment. What town player does this? There is no town motivation in completely avoiding the major issue of this game. geript has been the major lynch target since almost the middle of day 1 and yet cakepie hasn't said a word about what he thinks geript's alignment may be?
For the record, the reason I knew about the player list being important is that I played in the Aperture 2: Portal mafia game, nothing to do with my role. As for my "knowing" that BH would die day 1, simple logic: nobody chooses to get themselves lynched unless they have the ability to do something with it.
##Vote cakepie
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##Vote HiroPro
Nobody tries to infringe on the copyright of the Brown Brotherhood
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@oops, my bad. I didnt actually vote in the vote thread when i voted Mr Z earlier.
I have now fixed that by putting in a late vote, then imemdiately unvoting him to reach the correct current state
Too confusing? ignore this.
FYI: PlayersP:
Sorry this out of time synch with when i did it in the game thread
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19655497
which was just before Clarity. but it will show up in the tally as afetr as this is the actual vote thread.
##vote MrZentor
##unvote: MrZentor
See MrZ for the purposes of the previous post I now think your town... help me help you.
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I don't really think I need your help, Cephiro has already helped me a lot...
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On September 02 2013 11:05 HiroPro wrote:
/yawn. I could quote stuff, but I'm feeling lazy so I'll leave it at this.
I'm fairly certain that cakepie is mafia based on the way that he goes after his vote targets. He doesn't seem to be interested in looking for mafia but instead goes after players on fairly inconsequential things. On day 1, he goes after alakaslam on the assertion that he's useless even if town and randomly decides to announce that he's pressure voting Felkyr. These are fairly "safe" classic mafia votes; there's no pressure to provide actual valid reasoning with these types of votes. Even now in his push on me he never attempts to explain why any of my actions or behavior are mafia-motivated. For example, what's the purpose of trying to dissuade Axlegreaser from using his power if I'm mafia and know that it won't matter as the wagon gets changed?
It's also important to note that not once has cakepie offered any sort of opinion on geript's alignment. What town player does this? There is no town motivation in completely avoiding the major issue of this game. geript has been the major lynch target since almost the middle of day 1 and yet cakepie hasn't said a word about what he thinks geript's alignment may be?
For the record, the reason I knew about the player list being important is that I played in the Aperture 2: Portal mafia game, nothing to do with my role. As for my "knowing" that BH would die day 1, simple logic: nobody chooses to get themselves lynched unless they have the ability to do something with it.
##Vote cakepie
Did you already explain why you tried to dissuade AG from using his power? Please do so.
I also have made no attempt to offer an opinion on geript's alignment. I have thought about it, but everything I could think of has already been said one way or the other. It's complicated and I don't think I could figure it out at the moment. Cakepie might think the same. I find this a useless/weak reason to attack Cakepie. I do not like it.
Also note that the changes in the list do not fit what Onegu said he could do. Onegu moved up and Stutters moved beneath him or something like that. Onegu, can you clarify?
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On September 02 2013 11:42 Felkyr wrote:
Did you already explain why you tried to dissuade AG from using his power? Please do so.
Yes, I already explained this. Read my filter.
I also have made no attempt to offer an opinion on geript's alignment. I have thought about it, but everything I could think of has already been said one way or the other. It's complicated and I don't think I could figure it out at the moment. Cakepie might think the same. I find this a useless/weak reason to attack Cakepie. I do not like it.
You're a completely new player in a fairly ridiculous themed game and indicated day 1 that you wouldn't lynch geript. That's understandable. cakepie seems to at least have a moderate understanding of how to play and has played in more than 1 game, had access to coaches, and observed games beforehand.
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