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That's not the feeling I got from s0lstice at all... except maybe at the end, when the whole town went into hardcore lurk after Mocsta got himself modkilled.
Iamp and Kita were obvious town leaders and it is why we targeted them. Iamp didn't even really have to do much except be his usual innocent child self and allow Xatalos to post without any inhibitions. Once they were dead, Clarity, Xata and s0lstice had to pick up the reigns, and none did it particularly effectively. It allowed scum to pretty much grab control of the game back, which was slowly slipping away from us with the Yamato and Vivax lynches. Even if Mocsta had not got himself modkilled, I really doubt the lynch would have gone onto a scum. Sure, we got lucky with the frame (we also got unlucky the first time when I wifom'd myself out of calling the frame on Yamato), and that helped, but by then Rayn and myself were happily leading our own distinct corners of town into nowhere useful, with Chrom and Koshi being safely categorized as probable town and leading the internal politics of Baratheon around in circles: they could grab power at any point as long as they were both alive.
@Xatalos: what was the very strong reason you had for calling Koshi town?
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...but by then Rayn and myself were happily leading our own distinct corners of town into nowhere useful, with Chrom and Koshi being safely categorized as probable town and leading the internal politics of Baratheon around in circles...
ahahahhaa.. So true and well put. :D
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On August 21 2013 00:51 Acrofales wrote:
That's not the feeling I got from s0lstice at all... except maybe at the end, when the whole town went into hardcore lurk after Mocsta got himself modkilled.
Iamp and Kita were obvious town leaders and it is why we targeted them. Iamp didn't even really have to do much except be his usual innocent child self and allow Xatalos to post without any inhibitions. Once they were dead, Clarity, Xata and s0lstice had to pick up the reigns, and none did it particularly effectively. It allowed scum to pretty much grab control of the game back, which was slowly slipping away from us with the Yamato and Vivax lynches. Even if Mocsta had not got himself modkilled, I really doubt the lynch would have gone onto a scum. Sure, we got lucky with the frame (we also got unlucky the first time when I wifom'd myself out of calling the frame on Yamato), and that helped, but by then Rayn and myself were happily leading our own distinct corners of town into nowhere useful, with Chrom and Koshi being safely categorized as probable town and leading the internal politics of Baratheon around in circles: they could grab power at any point as long as they were both alive.
@Xatalos: what was the very strong reason you had for calling Koshi town?
On August 20 2013 17:04 Xatalos wrote:
Basically the reasoning was that you were 1) crusading that there was a "mole" in House Lannister (as scum you would know that to be false and you felt very convinced 2) antagonizing me and iamperfection in the thread (in NWM you just pretty much tried to buddy with me and other obvious townies) 3) overall very involved in the discussion whenever around. But of course it was all wrong... Sigh. From now on I won't trust myself regarding Koshi anymore. Well played though.
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Hey if someone is gonna do a write-up i would appreciate some insight on how to play better next time. Or marv, if you are kind enough could you PM me?
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On August 21 2013 01:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hey if someone is gonna do a write-up i would appreciate some insight on how to play better next time. Or marv, if you are kind enough could you PM me?
I would like to formally +1 this comment
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On August 21 2013 02:06 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2013 01:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hey if someone is gonna do a write-up i would appreciate some insight on how to play better next time. Or marv, if you are kind enough could you PM me? I would like to formally +1 this comment
I can give one opinion. Do not get into shitfests with your scumreads. You clearly did think i was scum on D4. You do not need to convince me i am mafia, you need to convince others. Of course i am not gonna claim scum as scum, instead try to interact with others (when you have reached a conclusion) and convince them. You certainly had enough town credit to maybe even get me lynched, but you wasted your time arguing with me instead of convincing others (that usually leads you into a situation where noone even remembers what the original argument was).
It does not even matter if you are right or wrong in your argument, if you get me lynched and i flip scum, you won. If you do not get me lynched you lost.
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On August 21 2013 02:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2013 02:06 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 21 2013 01:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hey if someone is gonna do a write-up i would appreciate some insight on how to play better next time. Or marv, if you are kind enough could you PM me? I would like to formally +1 this comment I can give one opinion. Do not get into shitfests with your scumreads. You clearly did think i was scum on D4. You do not need to convince me i am mafia, you need to convince others. Of course i am not gonna claim scum as scum, instead try to interact with others (when you have reached a conclusion) and convince them. You certainly had enough town credit to maybe even get me lynched, but you wasted your time arguing with me instead of convincing others (that usually leads you into a situation where noone even remembers what the original argument was). It does not even matter if you are right or wrong in your argument, if you get me lynched and i flip scum, you won. If you do not get me lynched you lost.
Yeah you're right about that one but I wasn't THAT convinced. I just appeared super convinced cause that's what I do.
So was trying to figure out if you actually were scum or not and by the end I kinda said "fuck it, I dunno"
It does not even matter if you are right or wrong in your argument, if you get me lynched and i flip scum, you won. If you do not get me lynched you lost
I wholeheartedly disagree with this.
edit: like I can't even begin to explain how much it matters that I got to my conclusion for the right reasons
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On August 21 2013 02:27 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2013 02:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 21 2013 02:06 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 21 2013 01:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hey if someone is gonna do a write-up i would appreciate some insight on how to play better next time. Or marv, if you are kind enough could you PM me? I would like to formally +1 this comment I can give one opinion. Do not get into shitfests with your scumreads. You clearly did think i was scum on D4. You do not need to convince me i am mafia, you need to convince others. Of course i am not gonna claim scum as scum, instead try to interact with others (when you have reached a conclusion) and convince them. You certainly had enough town credit to maybe even get me lynched, but you wasted your time arguing with me instead of convincing others (that usually leads you into a situation where noone even remembers what the original argument was). It does not even matter if you are right or wrong in your argument, if you get me lynched and i flip scum, you won. If you do not get me lynched you lost. Yeah you're right about that one but I wasn't THAT convinced. I just appeared super convinced cause that's what I do. So was trying to figure out if you actually were scum or not and by the end I kinda said "fuck it, I dunno" Show nested quote +It does not even matter if you are right or wrong in your argument, if you get me lynched and i flip scum, you won. If you do not get me lynched you lost I wholeheartedly disagree with this. edit: like I can't even begin to explain how much it matters that I got to my conclusion for the right reasons
The first part. Yeah, you were not convincing enough (and i got the feeling from your previous play that you were not confident enough in your read with me).
The second part. Being wrong sucks. I know it. But you must try. Always try to get your scumread lynched. Even if it's a weak read. Under pressure most mafia players say stuff they should not say (make up something that does not hold water, correct them etc. - i know i did not do that (as you really misread my argument) but i was seriously concerned that you might get me lynched either way, because of your town credit). If you appear unconfident you never accomplish anything. Compare that to Titanic and exarezee lynch. I was wrong, it sucks and i was so pissed off to myself (and to him) after that. That's how it goes sometimes, i fucked up, the next day i tried again.
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haha you guys were trading account info to log and and vote for eachother?!
so much seedy stuff in this game. strangely, that fits well with the theme.
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also to the host...what's the chances of a round 2 of this happening at some point?
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On August 21 2013 02:49 s0Lstice wrote:
haha you guys were trading account info to log and and vote for eachother?!
so much seedy stuff in this game. strangely, that fits well with the theme.
Well, it was never necessary because the Starks ended the night leaderless, so we had control of 2 of the 3 houses with lords, but honestly, vote racing for a plurality lynch is the dumbest thing ever and the reason most games have the wincon that scum numbers = town numbers. In majority lynch it means no scum can ever be lynched again, and in plurality lynch it prevents voterace stupidity.
In this case, that wincon clearly wouldn't work, because of the two-step voting mechanics, so it had a situation where we would voterace.
I asked the hosts whether it was okay to share my account info, so I didn't have to stay up to 2 AM. And lets be fair: the scumteam should be allowed to act as a team when it comes to this kind of action. That's the whole point of being a team: you can coordinate this kind of nefarious plot.
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
But then you miss out of the joys of playing a 3 week, 200 page game only to lose because your scum buddy doesn't show up for a last minute vote swap! Everyone deserves that experience at least once.
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Also kitaman was Oberyn? And he did not catch me? \o/
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
Hehe you and Acro did a good job putting distance between each other on day one with that nonsense about not revealing the meaningless plan. With a scum read on Acro and your activity in pms, I never took the time to take a look at you. 
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Are you planning on doing a blog post on this one kita?
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On August 21 2013 05:56 kitaman27 wrote:Hehe you and Acro did a good job putting distance between each other on day one with that nonsense about not revealing the meaningless plan. With a scum read on Acro and your activity in pms, I never took the time to take a look at you.
lol. same for me, but reversed with a to as town.
I didn't have acro as scum till he screwed me in pms.
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On August 21 2013 05:56 kitaman27 wrote:Hehe you and Acro did a good job putting distance between each other on day one with that nonsense about not revealing the meaningless plan. With a scum read on Acro and your activity in pms, I never took the time to take a look at you.
Okay, i am proud of myself now. Kita, srsly.... :D
gg, WE KILLED YOU TO DEATH! :;D
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ABOUT THE LURKING, SAYING KUSH WAS A LURKER
nope not true. I read many filters and gave many reads. Did I read the entire thread? not even close.
But I'm sure many other people also don't read the thread, except I am honest about it so I get shit on.
Let me ask, how many HOURS PER DAY is required to play this game????? Because the spammers are out of control, and it took at least 1 hour a day JUST to read the thread (in the beginning).
And what is with this hostile attitude towards people who are behind? like "fuck you kush you were busy yesterday and had a shitty day so now we are going to shit on you for it." Town should facilitate them in catching up.
Oh yeah and the whole not keeping up with the thread thing wouldn't be a problem if town would learn to stfu. Honestly it's usually not a problem late game.
Sadly this game, like most other recent games, suffers from the 'too many posts' syndrome. The inherent cause behind this problem is the desire to say everything that comes to their mind. That isn't needed one bit! Not only does this distract you from accomplishing analysis or creating useful plans, it also just mucks up the thread with useless info. How can any forcing information be achieved if your posts are instantly covered up by a dozen spammers? What's the point of putting pressure on someone to get useful info if they can just ignore it and let the rest of the town stash it under a pile of nonsense?
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Yep. It's shameful to say. But I had a town read on u as soon as u openly supported giving me a recap in thread. I think a scum kush woulda tried to shit on me for that.
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On August 21 2013 14:34 kushm4sta wrote:ABOUT THE LURKING, SAYING KUSH WAS A LURKER nope not true. I read many filters and gave many reads. Did I read the entire thread? not even close. But I'm sure many other people also don't read the thread, except I am honest about it so I get shit on.Let me ask, how many HOURS PER DAY is required to play this game????? Because the spammers are out of control, and it took at least 1 hour a day JUST to read the thread (in the beginning). And what is with this hostile attitude towards people who are behind? like "fuck you kush you were busy yesterday and had a shitty day so now we are going to shit on you for it." Town should facilitate them in catching up. Oh yeah and the whole not keeping up with the thread thing wouldn't be a problem if town would learn to stfu. Honestly it's usually not a problem late game. Show nested quote +Sadly this game, like most other recent games, suffers from the 'too many posts' syndrome. The inherent cause behind this problem is the desire to say everything that comes to their mind. That isn't needed one bit! Not only does this distract you from accomplishing analysis or creating useful plans, it also just mucks up the thread with useless info. How can any forcing information be achieved if your posts are instantly covered up by a dozen spammers? What's the point of putting pressure on someone to get useful info if they can just ignore it and let the rest of the town stash it under a pile of nonsense?
Wasn't calling you a lurker, was explaining how my definition of a lurker is probably flawed.
That said, I truly believe that every single townie in this game kept up with the thread and read the entire thing at least once.
A majority of said town probably read enough filters to have read the game practically twice.
"fuck you kush you were busy yesterday and had a shitty day so now we are going to shit on you for it." Town should facilitate them in catching up.
You don't think that IS us facilitating you to catch up? It's people forcing you to catch up and contribute, and if you don't catch up and contribute then you a liability to town. Do you believe that the entire game should stop because kush, who entered the game of his own free will, decided the game was too long to even read once. You have been in so many mafia games, at this point you KNOW what you're getting yourself into.
The fact that you can enter a game, roll town, and by the end of it confess that you didn't even read the game through ONCE just confirms the reasons I really feel disrespected when you're in a game that I'm also in. Yes, playing mafia takes HOURS a day. It says it in every OP that mafia takes a lot of time, that you get out of it what you put in. Every tutorial I've ever read or even skimmed over has pointed out that you need to put the time in.
Was this game too spammy? Yeah probably. Can that demotivate people? Yeah, it can.
But do not use it as an excuse for you not even reading the entire game through AT LEAST ONCE and then wondering why people call you useless.
I can't believe you just came in this thread and explained that you not reading the entire game that you signed up for is somehow common, and not your fault, but rather the fault of the people who might be a bit overzealous because they're excited about the game and put a lot of effort into it. I'd rather take someone who posts too much but tries to make himself useful over you any day.
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