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+ Show Spoiler +On August 17 2013 01:16 Squibbles wrote:
I can see where the suspicion might lie and the implications of me being a lurker. I run PST and do work so my main times where I will be extremely active will be after 4:30, although I am reading up on all the posts throughout the day. If there are any questions of me feel free to ask, I am rather new so I getting use to all the terminology and what not. So far judging by the posts I am leaning town on deus but I cannot be certain and null for everyone else. It's too early for me to make an educated guess when the majority of people have yet to really reveal intentions. I'm thinking the larger players have been talked about a bit more, meaning they will always be under scrutiny, but that only helps them if they are scum. Only making that of note, not implying anything.
I went back and read Squibb's posts and one line stuck out to me. This seems overly defensive. Slam passively called him a lurker but did not pursue it. There was not any real suspicion on Squibbs, yet he felt it necessary to defend himself. Squibb's could you elaborate on why you felt it was necessary to preemptively defend yourself, please.
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Last thing before I go to bed.
I thought I would post my thoughts on day 1 so far.
I peg iV for town because he seems aggressive, and antagonistic at times, and to me these are definitely town traits. In addition, I believe Slam is town because he is trying to promote dialog and cut down on spam.
For example,
+ Show Spoiler +On August 17 2013 08:08 Alakaslam wrote:Ok at the computer is fun  Look the thread is only actually a few pages long- the game doesn't actually start until page 10. But here is what I notice, and think: iVLoski may be messing around some- I messed around a lot as town as well, so that's not enough for me but yes, I am aware he could be dangerous scum. I'm Watchin' him and Y'all should too. But I think your suspicion of him has brought out something interesting Holyflare; justanothertownie. look at this Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 07:02 Holyflare wrote:On August 17 2013 06:51 justanothertownie wrote:
I'm around. JAT what is your opinion so far on ivlosk and also I'd like to hear your thoughts on lonemeow Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 07:24 justanothertownie wrote:
Why do you ask me about those 2 specifically?
Ivlosk: I said earlier I liked his first posts. There isn't anything else to say for me right now. No idea about his alignment.
LoneMeow: Sounds reasonable to me. He brought up the policy thing but someone has to start discussion somehow. K look at this- What are your reads JAT?!? Holyflare has asked you for your reads, this isn't the clearest thing in the world and seems pretty reserved. I mean, I understand, I can be reserved, but make a stand- if you are wrong, or someone points out it doesn't make sense, admit it and move on- But don't sheep! Make a position and defense it. (<3 WhiteRa) Speaking of which, Yes Holyflare- I will work on my read on Deus in a minute.
+ Show Spoiler +On August 16 2013 14:17 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 14:08 LoneMeow wrote:On August 16 2013 14:02 Alakaslam wrote:On August 16 2013 13:05 DeusXmachina wrote:On August 16 2013 12:56 Alakaslam wrote:On August 16 2013 05:14 DeusXmachina wrote:On August 16 2013 04:58 LoneMeow wrote:On August 16 2013 04:54 DeusXmachina wrote:On August 16 2013 04:51 LoneMeow wrote:On August 16 2013 04:46 DeusXmachina wrote:
Liars? Highly unlikely that you would every catch scum lying. Lynch lurkers over liars. But is there any reason for town to lie? So in the unlikely situation that you DO catch someone lying, you'd still rather lynch a lurker? If town is lying why would we want to lynch them? Like I said, you probably won't catch scum lying. Lying won't really tell you much. Lurkers > Liars. Obviously lynching confirmed town because of a lie would be silly, but what about someone most have a weak scum read (or even null) on who's caught lying? Still prefer a lurker lynch over him? While we're on the topic of lurking, do you think there's any real difference between lurking and posting but being useless? Would you (policy) lynch someone who posts but doesn't have any real content? If you have a weak scum read on someone and they lie, well that might be evidence against them. I would try to understand the intentions behind the lie. Not crazy about the lynch liars policy. I don't know how to define lurking, but people who are being useless are equally as bad as lurkers. In fact, in some situations, I think spammers can be more detrimental to town than lurkers. I equate non-contribution to scum. I am glad you brought this up. I was thinking about this a lot in my last game. On August 16 2013 05:04 iVLosK! wrote:
Yeah lynch all liars and no lurking! And anything else that sounds pro-town! C'mon guys. No fucking duh. I have a policy of lynching people who say stupid, obvious shit. What do you think of them apples, flare, deus, and LM? Well this is a newb game. Hopefully players can read some of the initial policy and learn what not to do. Lynching people who say stupid stuff got me into a lot of shit my last game. That being said, I am all for aggressive play and doing whatever it takes to weed out scum. Actually it was lynching the spammer- many of the things I said were trying to express my opinions, spamming was me trying to dick around. I promise not to do that anymore except maybe in spoilers if I can't help it. Therefore I am really glad you laid this out. There may be people like me who just get the juices flowing and go nuts, they will disregard you until they are the scummy one tunneling the wrong guy at Lylo- then they will have to fight not to become stimaddict 2.0, (sorry bout that but u know its true  ing one) so like I say- rock and a hard place with "don't spam don't lurk" for me- so gimme a little grace and I will try to help out. For now, I have this: Ivlosk! - town, he is bamcis for lookin so, especially so early, therefore keep an eye out for even more badass scum play later if I am wrong (and I am wrong often...) HolyFlare- kinda early. I'm null, in fact, I'm null on everyone but ivlosk! and myself. It's pretty early guys. "Speak up!" -Seige Tank Driver (selected, Starcraft 2) Fellows, pleeeze!! Okay, sounds good. Biggest scum reads so far, Xzavier and reps. Lol at reps if he becomes a day 1 lynch again. Why am I suspicious? Well, they are lurking, and as I previously mentioned, lurking will not be tolerated. Pretty much neutral on everyone. Although, I am leaning slightly town on JAT. Careful of posting pseudo lurker lists... Look. That is the easies thing for scum to do to try and look town, 1, and 2, if we have vigs, they can shoot into lurkers and we lynch other lurkers till there are none. So it is established that you can't lurk and get by this game. Stating their scumminess other than to explain a vote on them is now irrelevant, lets stick to discussion about actives. Then, before the deadline (close as you can get) vote for a lurker or someone you find scummy- who may have more of a chance turning out to be scum than someone who wanted blue or irl'ed or whatever causes people to do this stuff. By the way, we don't have vigs. Read the game setup. Your point is valid though, discussing lurkers (especially this early) is pretty pointless. Oh yeah, this isn't persona 4- herple diddly skerple xD Well then yeah like u said its what, half of one real day in. Give them some moar time. ... Yeah. But also, iVLosk not trying to stifle talk, trying to improve talk. Read deus filter anyone? Deus please elaborate, lurking > lying for scummy? Why should town bother with lies? On August 16 2013 14:17 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 14:08 LoneMeow wrote:On August 16 2013 14:02 Alakaslam wrote:On August 16 2013 13:05 DeusXmachina wrote:On August 16 2013 12:56 Alakaslam wrote:On August 16 2013 05:14 DeusXmachina wrote:On August 16 2013 04:58 LoneMeow wrote:On August 16 2013 04:54 DeusXmachina wrote:On August 16 2013 04:51 LoneMeow wrote:On August 16 2013 04:46 DeusXmachina wrote:
Liars? Highly unlikely that you would every catch scum lying. Lynch lurkers over liars. But is there any reason for town to lie? So in the unlikely situation that you DO catch someone lying, you'd still rather lynch a lurker? If town is lying why would we want to lynch them? Like I said, you probably won't catch scum lying. Lying won't really tell you much. Lurkers > Liars. Obviously lynching confirmed town because of a lie would be silly, but what about someone most have a weak scum read (or even null) on who's caught lying? Still prefer a lurker lynch over him? While we're on the topic of lurking, do you think there's any real difference between lurking and posting but being useless? Would you (policy) lynch someone who posts but doesn't have any real content? If you have a weak scum read on someone and they lie, well that might be evidence against them. I would try to understand the intentions behind the lie. Not crazy about the lynch liars policy. I don't know how to define lurking, but people who are being useless are equally as bad as lurkers. In fact, in some situations, I think spammers can be more detrimental to town than lurkers. I equate non-contribution to scum. I am glad you brought this up. I was thinking about this a lot in my last game. On August 16 2013 05:04 iVLosK! wrote:
Yeah lynch all liars and no lurking! And anything else that sounds pro-town! C'mon guys. No fucking duh. I have a policy of lynching people who say stupid, obvious shit. What do you think of them apples, flare, deus, and LM? Well this is a newb game. Hopefully players can read some of the initial policy and learn what not to do. Lynching people who say stupid stuff got me into a lot of shit my last game. That being said, I am all for aggressive play and doing whatever it takes to weed out scum. Actually it was lynching the spammer- many of the things I said were trying to express my opinions, spamming was me trying to dick around. I promise not to do that anymore except maybe in spoilers if I can't help it. Therefore I am really glad you laid this out. There may be people like me who just get the juices flowing and go nuts, they will disregard you until they are the scummy one tunneling the wrong guy at Lylo- then they will have to fight not to become stimaddict 2.0, (sorry bout that but u know its true ing one) so like I say- rock and a hard place with "don't spam don't lurk" for me- so gimme a little grace and I will try to help out. For now, I have this: Ivlosk! - town, he is bamcis for lookin so, especially so early, therefore keep an eye out for even more badass scum play later if I am wrong (and I am wrong often...) HolyFlare- kinda early. I'm null, in fact, I'm null on everyone but ivlosk! and myself. It's pretty early guys. "Speak up!" -Seige Tank Driver (selected, Starcraft 2) Fellows, pleeeze!! Okay, sounds good. Biggest scum reads so far, Xzavier and reps. Lol at reps if he becomes a day 1 lynch again. Why am I suspicious? Well, they are lurking, and as I previously mentioned, lurking will not be tolerated. Pretty much neutral on everyone. Although, I am leaning slightly town on JAT. Careful of posting pseudo lurker lists... Look. That is the easies thing for scum to do to try and look town, 1, and 2, if we have vigs, they can shoot into lurkers and we lynch other lurkers till there are none. So it is established that you can't lurk and get by this game. Stating their scumminess other than to explain a vote on them is now irrelevant, lets stick to discussion about actives. Then, before the deadline (close as you can get) vote for a lurker or someone you find scummy- who may have more of a chance turning out to be scum than someone who wanted blue or irl'ed or whatever causes people to do this stuff. By the way, we don't have vigs. Read the game setup. Your point is valid though, discussing lurkers (especially this early) is pretty pointless. Oh yeah, this isn't persona 4- herple diddly skerple xD Well then yeah like u said its what, half of one real day in. Give them some moar time. ... Yeah. But also, iVLosk not trying to stifle talk, trying to improve talk. Read deus filter anyone? Deus please elaborate, lurking > lying for scummy? Why should town bother with lies?
And finally, I like Holy for town, only slightly, because he was the first one to get some solid discussion going, other than the policy chat.
That leaves 5 other people. Of which my favorite targets for scum and lynching day 1 are xzavier, reps, and squibbs. These lurkers on hindering discussion, they are not putting forth new ideas, and they are not scum hunting. I will continue my firm stance on this, lurking is scummy.
Reps why did you poke in today but not really contribute? Xzavier why are you not posting?
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On August 17 2013 13:07 iVLosK! wrote:
Didn't realize the joke dealt strictly with border patrol. Mine would be WYCO cops.
Which game is that, boss?
NMM XLV.
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On August 17 2013 13:36 DeusXmachina wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On August 17 2013 01:16 Squibbles wrote:
I can see where the suspicion might lie and the implications of me being a lurker. I run PST and do work so my main times where I will be extremely active will be after 4:30, although I am reading up on all the posts throughout the day. If there are any questions of me feel free to ask, I am rather new so I getting use to all the terminology and what not. So far judging by the posts I am leaning town on deus but I cannot be certain and null for everyone else. It's too early for me to make an educated guess when the majority of people have yet to really reveal intentions. I'm thinking the larger players have been talked about a bit more, meaning they will always be under scrutiny, but that only helps them if they are scum. Only making that of note, not implying anything. I went back and read Squibb's posts and one line stuck out to me. This seems overly defensive. Slam passively called him a lurker but did not pursue it. There was not any real suspicion on Squibbs, yet he felt it necessary to defend himself. Squibb's could you elaborate on why you felt it was necessary to preemptively defend yourself, please.
Interesting to note. I do want to see his reply, Squibbles also what are you doing of late, are you afk, reading the thread, filter diving? This game is a lot of time investment be aware.
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Well actually I should do as deus is doing.
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On August 17 2013 14:10 Alakaslam wrote:
Well actually I should do as deus is doing.
Sleeping?
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Squibbles said I run PST and do work so my main times where I will be extremely active will be after 4:30
Which he has not.
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Vote Count
IVlosK! - (0) Alakaslam
Not Voteing- EVERYONE!!!
Currently no one is set to be lynched!
Voting is mandatory.
Deadline in 11.5 Hours.
If there are any mistakes let me know.
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On August 17 2013 09:49 Alakaslam wrote:
That being said yes he could go about it differently. But iVLosk is not aLaKaSLaM or Umasi or Hurricane sponge or Hzflank, he is iVLosk!
The butt doctor
And discrediting a player's statements can be a good thing to do. (Eg HolyFlare being scum- haven't ruled that out). If the statement hasn't got merit it should be discredited, right?
Disclaimer: do I agree with iVLosk? Possibly. I need to weigh it all.
Why are you softly defending (and buddying up to) another player again? Didn't you learn from what happened in the last game with Umasi? Please keep an open mind, so far anyone in this game could be scum.
I still think you're town though. Who's your current best scum read?
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I really need reps)squishy and Squibbles to start participating more and that has to happen right now, otherwise I might have to start driving for lynching one of you. Post your top 2 scum reads with some reasoning, thanks.
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On August 17 2013 14:30 reps)squishy wrote:
Squibbles said I run PST and do work so my main times where I will be extremely active will be after 4:30
Which he has not.
So do you think he's scum? Why so non-committal? Your filter is worrying, low activity and I get a feel that you're just trying to find a target to latch on rather than trying to find scum.
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I am just pointing out things that other people may find important. I have not voted for anyone. Day 1 is really hard I die night 1 every time .
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On August 17 2013 18:05 reps)squishy wrote:I am just pointing out things that other people may find important. I have not voted for anyone. Day 1 is really hard I die night 1 every time .
Partly because you like to point out things but not take harder stances, which looks scummy. So who's your best scum read right now?
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On August 17 2013 16:12 LoneMeow wrote:
I really need reps)squishy and Squibbles to start participating more and that has to happen right now, otherwise I might have to start driving for lynching one of you. Post your top 2 scum reads with some reasoning, thanks.
My Suspicious list.
1. justanothertownie He seems to be posting enough to stay under the radar. Posts like this "I'm around." make the suspicion flair.
2.Squibbles Makes the IRL excuse. Then says he reads the messages all day long but does not post.
People I am not suspicious of.
DeusX super agressive as a townie last game XLV and is playing somewhat the same.
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On August 17 2013 18:06 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 18:05 reps)squishy wrote:I am just pointing out things that other people may find important. I have not voted for anyone. Day 1 is really hard I die night 1 every time . Partly because you like to point out things but not take harder stances, which looks scummy. So who's your best scum read right now?
It is day 1 there is very little evidence currently I am comparing the differences between XLV players to now seeing how they are playing. Making a hard stance is digging a grave.
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Ok, that's better. Careful with meta in newbie games though.
Now, Squibbles needs to start posting. Or I'll have him hung.
##Vote: Squibbles
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On August 17 2013 18:17 reps)squishy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 16:12 LoneMeow wrote:
I really need reps)squishy and Squibbles to start participating more and that has to happen right now, otherwise I might have to start driving for lynching one of you. Post your top 2 scum reads with some reasoning, thanks. My Suspicious list. 1. justanothertownie He seems to be posting enough to stay under the radar. Posts like this " I'm around." make the suspicion flair. 2. Squibbles Makes the IRL excuse. Then says he reads the messages all day long but does not post. People I am not suspicious of. DeusX super agressive as a townie last game XLV and is playing somewhat the same.
And in your opinion, is Deus playing to this meta he's established?
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On August 17 2013 18:41 iVLosK! wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 18:17 reps)squishy wrote:On August 17 2013 16:12 LoneMeow wrote:
I really need reps)squishy and Squibbles to start participating more and that has to happen right now, otherwise I might have to start driving for lynching one of you. Post your top 2 scum reads with some reasoning, thanks. My Suspicious list. 1. justanothertownie He seems to be posting enough to stay under the radar. Posts like this " I'm around." make the suspicion flair. 2. Squibbles Makes the IRL excuse. Then says he reads the messages all day long but does not post. People I am not suspicious of. DeusX super agressive as a townie last game XLV and is playing somewhat the same. And in your opinion, is Deus playing to this meta he's established?
My burning question is, why aren't you playing like you did in XLII? I remember you being far more aggressive and attacking people, now you seem to be content to just drop remarks from the sidelines...
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On August 17 2013 18:17 reps)squishy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 16:12 LoneMeow wrote:
I really need reps)squishy and Squibbles to start participating more and that has to happen right now, otherwise I might have to start driving for lynching one of you. Post your top 2 scum reads with some reasoning, thanks. My Suspicious list. 1. justanothertownie He seems to be posting enough to stay under the radar. Posts like this " I'm around." make the suspicion flair. 2. Squibbles Makes the IRL excuse. Then says he reads the messages all day long but does not post. People I am not suspicious of. DeusX super agressive as a townie last game XLV and is playing somewhat the same.
Maybe you should read the context of my post? Alakaslam asked who was around and I answered so he could ask me questions or whatever he had in mind.
Would you mind explaining why doing this instead of lurking is a scumtell to you?
I will be here most of the time until the deadline btw. so if anyone wants to discuss something with me go ahead. I will read some filters right now because I think I caught something on the last pages (have to make sure).
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##Vote xzavier for now as a placeholder until something more obvious comes forward
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