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On August 15 2013 01:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 01:29 strongandbig wrote:yeah that's one line in a long list of reads that you sent in a pm. That doesn't count as an actual explanation or an actual argument, and the fact that you would even point to that gives me a bad feeling. Prior to that your scum reads are me and onegu, neither of which you actually explain in any detail other than the "misunderstanding" with onegu that you drop eventually. in fact this mocsta thing is close to the second time you actually give reasons other than "he hasn't done anything" for a scum read in this entire game. why vivax? Why not me? Why not onegu? srsly What game are you reading? I have explained my scumread on Onegu. I have explained my scumread on you. I have explained all my reads and all the explanations are in thread. Why are you not reading the thread?
on onegu:
Onegu - Onegu has not done anything. Lika anything at all. If you look at his posts he is entering rendom discussions for what? To have nothing to say. Look at when he tells he has already given his thoughts about Solstice & Clarity. His conclusion on Solstice is "we need to hear from him". Right. On Clarity he redacted from his town read because he was not willing find out about role names. So his whole discussion & conclusion is worthless. Now he is trying to figure out FirmTofu. Nothing on that front. scum.
"hasn't done anything"
You clearly do not think much or you are scum, Onegu.
not a reason
Onegu you asked me about my read on SnB.
I am a bit puzzled. All i say is "i think SnB is scum" and you move on to completely different matters. Why is that? Did my answer please you enough?
as it stands this is not a reason. if you think onegu isn't following up on his reads or that he's being scummily noncommittal then say so, but this is not enough to justify a main scum suspicion.
I think Onegu is scum so do not necessarily trust him. What was the case?
not a reason
On me:
SnB voting for onegu bothers me a bit.
not a reason
I think SnB is scum
not a reason
What about SnB? The only thing i remember him doing was the bullshit info-hide with Clarity and Oats, and i think those two are town. Has he really been as active in PM´s as he claims? I have ~5 PM´s from him.
"hasn't done anything"
I didn´t think about this earlier, but after rereading my stuff with SnB it was really weird. He started the PM´s asking me if my suspicion on "this 'ft' guy has weakened". The PM looked somewhat roleplay, so i thought he was RPing. Apparently he wasn't. Is there anyone else who didn't figure out who i was talking about in my post (apparently Risen was lol)?
not a reason
I think there is also something fishy in Clarity/SnB/Oats stuff. Remember when people were accusing Clarity for his reaction test? That rant went on for hours and hours just because "someone had a townread on Clarity for some reasons". Why not just fucking out the read to get people discuss it? Then Oats' read was REALLY REALLY weak. You remember the reasons?
i guess this maybe counts as a reason? Is this really why you think I'm scum? I didn't even know about the reason for oats's read, I just knew he had fakeclaimed to clarity and clarity's reaction made him think clarity was town. I'm scum because i didn't tell you about oats's fakeclaim to clarity before oats said to? this is retarded.
yeah i know what game i'm reading. what game are you playing?
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And why the fuck does Xatalos dodge my questions about Mocsta and me/Acro stuff every time i ask him.
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On August 15 2013 01:40 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2013 23:17 strongandbig wrote:
1. Main thing sharrant still hasn't answered IMO is why he claimed to acro without worrying that he would get killed. He said he lied about his target in case acro was scum, so it can't be because he had such a strong town read on acro that he was willing to risk his whole blue role on it.
2. Vivax misstating the case against him. When I get to my computer I'll explain or maybe copy some pms I sent to clarity and oats.
3. Risen! Kill with fire. Just cause he had one food point on sharrant doesn't make him town, read my first case on him for the reasons why his filter makes him scum.
@onegu fuck you how have I disappeared. It's been night phase when we were not allowed to post. Derplord.
@vivax read the thread koshis argument is that when mocsta calls koshi scum for attacking jrkirby's filter, it's a scummy chainsaw defense because mocsta should be able to see how onjectively scummy jrkirby's filter looks regardless of what mocsta/jrkirby's actual alignment is. And you think Koshi's argument is good? If so, what's your opinion on lynching him? I don't know what you want to achieve tbh. Do you want Mocsta to answer for the posts of jkirby?Do you want him to admit that his slot is scummy? That's not the way to get alignment indicative information.
no i posted that because it makes me unhappy when people are being dumb and misinterpreting things in the thread. i don't want to kill the koshi today, i want to lynch you or ryan.
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Risen is my best friend in the whole world.
afk now. Dinner.
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Nevermind the ability shit, Sharrant was talking about the guys in his own house.
Risen,
+ Show Spoiler +On August 15 2013 01:44 Risen wrote:
Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait....
Sharrant has... a one shot alignment check, a one shot hp check, and two PMs? Why wouldn't it remain at one if this was a real role? Outside of role speculation which isn't really conclusive ever, have you people looked at this claim?!?!
Is this real life? How is this not the lynch for today?
And holy crapshoot in a barrel filled with chickens and sausage HOW IS HE LORD?!??!
House Tyrell
Kushm4sta
johnnywup
Sharrant
Acrofales
Of the four people in this house they chose the one who has two pages of filter in a game that's now on day 3 who told them he was going to be gone for a large portion?!
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Can you give me your current gut reads on johnny, Xata and s0l please?
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On August 15 2013 01:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You have been bringing up these "fruitless details" for a long time. can you now explain what do you mean by them so i could... you know... answer you?
Well, it seems like I've underestimated your focus on relevant stuff. Although there are some things that don't feel good. For example this from iamperfection after D2 about you:
"Asked some pointless questions to me wasting time and therefore posting without a point"
Not sure if that means PMs or in thread. I can't seem to find this in thread now. Either way, not good.
Then there was that huge spam about the role name thing D1. Pretty ridiculous and buried potentially useful posts.
Also quite a lot of spam during D2 like "What's up, X?" or "What did you mean with this?".
But as I said, I take back that you focused THAT much on useless stuff. More like there's a decent amount of useless, but more relevant posts than I thought.
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On August 15 2013 01:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And why the fuck does Xatalos dodge my questions about Mocsta and me/Acro stuff every time i ask him.
What do you mean? What haven't I answered?
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On August 15 2013 01:46 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 01:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 15 2013 01:29 strongandbig wrote:yeah that's one line in a long list of reads that you sent in a pm. That doesn't count as an actual explanation or an actual argument, and the fact that you would even point to that gives me a bad feeling. Prior to that your scum reads are me and onegu, neither of which you actually explain in any detail other than the "misunderstanding" with onegu that you drop eventually. in fact this mocsta thing is close to the second time you actually give reasons other than "he hasn't done anything" for a scum read in this entire game. why vivax? Why not me? Why not onegu? srsly What game are you reading? I have explained my scumread on Onegu. I have explained my scumread on you. I have explained all my reads and all the explanations are in thread. Why are you not reading the thread? on onegu: Show nested quote +Onegu - Onegu has not done anything. Lika anything at all. If you look at his posts he is entering rendom discussions for what? To have nothing to say. Look at when he tells he has already given his thoughts about Solstice & Clarity. His conclusion on Solstice is "we need to hear from him". Right. On Clarity he redacted from his town read because he was not willing find out about role names. So his whole discussion & conclusion is worthless. Now he is trying to figure out FirmTofu. Nothing on that front. scum. "hasn't done anything" not a reason Show nested quote +Onegu you asked me about my read on SnB.
I am a bit puzzled. All i say is "i think SnB is scum" and you move on to completely different matters. Why is that? Did my answer please you enough? as it stands this is not a reason. if you think onegu isn't following up on his reads or that he's being scummily noncommittal then say so, but this is not enough to justify a main scum suspicion. not a reason On me: not a reason not a reason Show nested quote +What about SnB? The only thing i remember him doing was the bullshit info-hide with Clarity and Oats, and i think those two are town. Has he really been as active in PM´s as he claims? I have ~5 PM´s from him. "hasn't done anything" Show nested quote +I didn´t think about this earlier, but after rereading my stuff with SnB it was really weird. He started the PM´s asking me if my suspicion on "this 'ft' guy has weakened". The PM looked somewhat roleplay, so i thought he was RPing. Apparently he wasn't. Is there anyone else who didn't figure out who i was talking about in my post (apparently Risen was lol)? not a reason Show nested quote +I think there is also something fishy in Clarity/SnB/Oats stuff. Remember when people were accusing Clarity for his reaction test? That rant went on for hours and hours just because "someone had a townread on Clarity for some reasons". Why not just fucking out the read to get people discuss it? Then Oats' read was REALLY REALLY weak. You remember the reasons? i guess this maybe counts as a reason? Is this really why you think I'm scum? I didn't even know about the reason for oats's read, I just knew he had fakeclaimed to clarity and clarity's reaction made him think clarity was town. I'm scum because i didn't tell you about oats's fakeclaim to clarity before oats said to? this is retarded. yeah i know what game i'm reading. what game are you playing?
lol dude, you are funny.
Onegu:
Has (apparently) been active/townie in PM's. Noone to prove that any more and Oberyn would not tell me why before he died. None of this towniness comes up in thread (barring late D2 when he was saying good stuff). How is this not clear?
You:
You quoted my read on you. You also LEFT OUT THE FUCKING CONCLUSION! Which was btw this:
After all i think SnB comes out from this as most scummiest. He should have taken the leader position as town and stop the bullshit. Oats, other than that post of his looks town to me. This is traditional Oats´ townplay, he is fucking off and saying stupid stuff. Clarity looks fairly town to me aswell, he is somewhat making sense, especially with his reads. IMO Clarity is amongst the people who have scumhunted the most at the time. I could kill like half of the town for not scumhunting.
Other than this you have not done shit. Period.
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On August 15 2013 01:55 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 01:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And why the fuck does Xatalos dodge my questions about Mocsta and me/Acro stuff every time i ask him. What do you mean? What haven't I answered?
Give me a full answer on Mocsta case, and give me an answer why did you call me out with your scumread Acro for bullshit reasoning "you have focused on all the wrong things all the game".
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On August 15 2013 00:55 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2013 23:36 Xatalos wrote:On August 14 2013 22:28 Vivax wrote:Xatalos, the most recent reasoning for lynching Risen I found is this: I think snb might actually be town because I had this exact same thought (although less fleshed out) just a bit earlier. Risen's first post was so bad and yet so much effort was put in it. After that... Almost nothing. No follow-up to his first post or anything. No pushing his reads. There's a clear difference between the effort in his first post and everything after that.
Give me an updated bullet list of your points against him please, there's much more to go with than just the quantity of his posts in the beginning. While you're at it, give me a reason for me being scum that hasn't to do with activity, cause that's probably the reason 99 % in here have for thinking I'm scum. You're just skating by and targeting popular lynch targets, the latest case you wrote was on jkirby, and that was upon Acrofales' request. You're clearly not reading very closely. That was just my second post against Risen, with almost the same content as the first one. I had more after that, like his contradictory statements about his scumreads on me and DI (and also his push for Sharrant didn't feel right, nor his faulty logic with his original accusations and how he never followed up on them). iamperfection initially got me suspicious of you. Here's a summary of his opinions (from the last will post): "Vivax- so i reread what he posted after i told him i think he is scum. Fucker still has not had a single strong push the entire game. vivax should be leading the town or fighting me if im wrong about sompething he simply does not care what is going on and isnt trying to catch scum. He does this because he is scum" Basically, lack of genuine effort, pushing, involvement... Not just lack of activity. Lynchworthy for sure. After some PM'ing with Clarity I'm not as confident in Risen being scum anymore. He's generally crazy and it's hard to distinguish between crazy town and crazy scum. Maybe his faulty logic is explained by his general lack of logical thinking. For now it might be a better idea to lynch you, s0Lstice, snb or Mocsta (unless he keeps up his clear effort, which isn't very easy to do as scum). Effort, pushing, involvement. You mention things that aren't very empiric, so to say. You don't show if I'm pushing scum agenda, you don't quote particular posts, you say it's not activity, but you don't tell how you measure the three attributes you think make me scum when they are usually correlated to activity. The case on me is bullshit, I'm town, and I have yet to see a case with a clear line of thought that doesn't use activity as argument. I invite you to make one based on the content of my posts, and I'll dunk it, and you afterwards if you fuck up. I don't see what you mean with contradictory statements from Risen. You posted that he was wrong about you and Dandel, afterwards you posted this: Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 21:21 Xatalos wrote:
I agree that Risen is quite likely town (unfortunately, one might also say).
So I wonder now, why do you mention something that is supposed to make him scum when in the past it wasn't reason enough and you gave him a townread in spite of what you call a contradiction now.
Activity is an excellent argument. I am a true believer in simply lynching anybody who produces significantly less pages of filter than in his average town game. It works for me, it works for Hapa and I have no doubt it works for you. But here's what I compiled on you and was going to post before I saw you responded.
Regarding Vivax, he has been inactive as fuck. Usually he spams up the thread being an obnoxious dick when he's town, forcing people to listen to him. He either gets lynched himself, or nails most of the scum. As scum he is more subdued and cooperative. This game fits neither, because he is just plain afk.
However, there's some things that indicate he's a scummy fuck:
On August 09 2013 05:28 Acrofales wrote:Hrmmm, playing a game of elimination, Vivax is the remaining member of House Stark. Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 00:06 Vivax wrote:On August 08 2013 21:20 Koshi wrote:On August 08 2013 19:55 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 08 2013 19:47 Koshi wrote:
@ Oats. Tell me why you have townreads on your house. Don't use names but you can at least tell us WHY they are town. It's impossible to actually know if somebody is town in your house. At this point I think Oats his house is filled with scum only. Why I have townreads on the dudes? Cause they are nice and helpful and shit. No obvious scummy pms, natural. Nothing like your house, controversy everywhere. On August 08 2013 21:12 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 08 2013 21:06 Xatalos wrote:Oats, why do you have a scumread on Koshi again? Because this post before claiming him as scum doesn't really explain it: On August 08 2013 19:47 Oatsmaster wrote:Oats, we just played in Titanic and you come in this thread and say that you know that everybody in your house is town and that you will protect their identity? You must be really REALLY confident in this game.
You prevent us to find scum in your house and you prevent your house by talking about how you got elected or prevent them from giving away information about you. Um what? My reads were mostly right in Titanic. 1 wrong read. whatever. I only prevent you from knowing who I can contact through pms. All this other stuff is really weird. I didnt get elected. koshi didnt explain why dandel's actions was scum, when all the things he said seem to be townie to me, like agressive and shit. Killing kush was probably a joke, dunno. Also, he didnt explain why im scum. This whole statement is bullshit. You prevent us to find scum in your house and you prevent your house by talking about how you got elected or prevent them from giving away information about you. Its not what Im doing at all. And its really weird that this is the conclusion that he drew from my statements so far. 1) Oats townreads are either "nice and shit" or "agressive and shit". 2) Oats does not realise that this game is 6 pages long instead of 20. 3) Oats calls me scum if I point out he is shitting up the thread. 4) Oats does not answer me when I ask him who should be lord in our house in theory, but then wants me to explain to him why I find DI scummy over S0lstice. Here is my first real scumread. This is not concise reasoning for Oats being scum, The first two don't seem relevant, and I'm not sure that he's calling you scum just for 3). 4 is him being an ass to you, isn't necessarily alignment indicative. Do you really think he's scum for those reasons? To me it looks like you're angry at him and calling him scum for that. If you think he's scum then I want to see a clear line of thought in reaching that conclusion. I would like to see any reasons you have for your scumreads to be presented in a concise case with no waffle, especially with material from the thread that's available to everyone. I'm not willing to take anything you and Dandel say regarding lies and inconsistencies during the night at face value until there are members of your house to present their version of events between you two. This seems like a really strange soft-defense of Oatsmaster. Either he was completely oblivious to the goings on in his own house, or he had a town read based on that. I am confused about why he stood up to defend Oatsmaster's honor: he's not calling Koshi scum based on it, in fact there are no conclusions at all. With the knowledge that he had already talked to Oats in private this just looks like a baseless soft-defense of a house member who it seems he should have been suspicious of. Anybody from House Stark (or Vivax himself) want to elaborate on Vivax's role in the internal politicking? Vivax, why did you make this soft-defense post of Oats?
His response was to say that he suspected Koshi, but that doesn't seem to be the main point of this post at all. More just buddying up to Oats. We then have:
On August 10 2013 03:13 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 02:53 Sharrant wrote:
Hey, Vivax, you're the perfect one to answer this. You actually hydra'ed with Kush. The question was whether Kush says 'fags' normally. Does he? You would know much better than I.
I can only tell you that Kush likes the word ANAL. I prefer not having to draw conclusions from someone using specific derogative terms. You could let him do a IAT with town-scum categories and have him post the results here, that would be serious shit. Is there anyone specific you're trying to present to your lord for lynching?
Posting this makes no sense, other than, again, as a soft-defense. Why even bring this up? I am having a hard time wrapping my mind around why a loyalist would point this out. From a Blackfyre point of view it's obvious: it's a "look guys, I'm posting" post, with the added bonus of maybe sidetracking the thread and any discussion about kush.
The main point in Vivax's favour is Clarity defending him, saying he seemed convinced Yamato was scum in private. Nothing ever seems to have come from this private read. I would like Clarity to elaborate.
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+ Show Spoiler +On August 15 2013 01:53 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 01:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You have been bringing up these "fruitless details" for a long time. can you now explain what do you mean by them so i could... you know... answer you? Well, it seems like I've underestimated your focus on relevant stuff. Although there are some things that don't feel good. For example this from iamperfection after D2 about you: "Asked some pointless questions to me wasting time and therefore posting without a point" Not sure if that means PMs or in thread. I can't seem to find this in thread now. Either way, not good. Then there was that huge spam about the role name thing D1. Pretty ridiculous and buried potentially useful posts. Also quite a lot of spam during D2 like "What's up, X?" or "What did you mean with this?". But as I said, I take back that you focused THAT much on useless stuff. More like there's a decent amount of useless, but more relevant posts than I thought.
Did you even read Rayn's last town game?
I thought he was mafia in obs qt, he's just like that. Him and his love for single malt, I suspect. He's lurky as fuck when he's scum, there's no fucking way he's scum in this game with his current activity.
You're waaay more useless, you still didn't answer my question and prefer to post LOL and ROFL. Shouldn't you be some more interested into talking with your scumread?
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On August 15 2013 01:58 Vivax wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On August 15 2013 01:53 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 01:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You have been bringing up these "fruitless details" for a long time. can you now explain what do you mean by them so i could... you know... answer you? Well, it seems like I've underestimated your focus on relevant stuff. Although there are some things that don't feel good. For example this from iamperfection after D2 about you: "Asked some pointless questions to me wasting time and therefore posting without a point" Not sure if that means PMs or in thread. I can't seem to find this in thread now. Either way, not good. Then there was that huge spam about the role name thing D1. Pretty ridiculous and buried potentially useful posts. Also quite a lot of spam during D2 like "What's up, X?" or "What did you mean with this?". But as I said, I take back that you focused THAT much on useless stuff. More like there's a decent amount of useless, but more relevant posts than I thought. Did you even read Rayn's last town game? I thought he was mafia in obs qt, he's just like that. Him and his love for single malt, I suspect. He's lurky as fuck when he's scum, there's no fucking way he's scum in this game with his current activity. You're waaay more useless, you still didn't answer my question and prefer to post LOL and ROFL. Shouldn't you be some more interested into talking with your scumread?
This is plain wrong btw.
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We should lynch Risen.
At the start of D2, right after iamp posted his reads list (with Vivax as scum), I PMed Risen to ask him if his scumreads had changed from yesterday. He said that they had, and that Vivax was now his "#1 scumread".
When asked for explanation, his sole reasoning was "he's been giving townreads too easily", which is a fair reason, if a bit weak. I didn't really see it in his filter, however, so I pressed for examples.
The only example he was able to provide was his "townread" on FT.
Here's what Risen showed me:
On August 10 2013 09:42 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 08:49 johnnywup wrote:thats not what i said  and i never said its a meaningful contribution but making a list and not knowing which house two people are in doesn't make me look mafia i'm not saying i'm contributing from that post but someone asked for a list and I wanted it put into a post for convenience sake so i made it. it's just something i thought would be nice and people could refer back to if they needed. i don't understand how that makes me look like mafia? Go more in depth about your FT scumread please, you give me the impression you aren't reading the thread properly and only throw in some half-assed scumread to calm down the waters. If you're defensive, town and know it, you could try to change that and actually show some interest into finding out who's scum.
Here's what Vivax also said about FT:
On August 10 2013 09:55 Vivax wrote:He's unusually inactive and I still have some unanswered questions. Seems like another solid lynch, unless he shows up with some bombastic posts before deadline.
There is absolutely, NO town way to misinterpret this. The first post is clearly NOT a townread. The second post, which Risen never brought up, shows that Vivax 100% did NOT have a townread on FT.
So why would town Risen EVER think that Vivax had a townread on FT? He can't possibly. The only explanation is that he's going through Vivax's filter and nitpicking posts that he can frame as scummy instead of actually attempting to divine Vivax's alignment.
So I stated I disagreed, and brought up Onegu and Acro as alternatives, two people who I thought looked worst from how the lynch went down. For reference:
On August 13 2013 01:45 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 22:35 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 12 2013 22:27 Acrofales wrote:On August 12 2013 22:21 Clarity_nl wrote:
Acro why do you say one of the two has to be scum in reply to me, and then you call it "pointless wifom" in the following post? I never say that. I suggest you reread the notules of what I said. In my reply to you I am explaining how I think you're wrong about Blackfyres having balls of steel and go through the possibilities. I never reached any conclusions, because we actually need some confirmation about which situation we're in: SnB or Vivax can still be the cause for Xatalos getting locked in, and there's a pretty good chance they are Blackfyre scum (one, or both). Lord knows what their profession is, but it's possible one is a jailer. What I absolutely DON'T think is that we can just conclude Oberyn and Onegu are loyal from this, because it seems farfetched that IF Xatalos was locked in by a Blackfyre and they did not know about the plot, I believe they 100% WOULD have claimed. I disagree. Me and xata came to the conclusion that unless the jailkeeper claim came from someone already thought to be town, we would end up lynching him. The way oberyn refused to give the 2nd name made it plausible for it to be a fakeclaim. I'd take the gamble as scum. Anyway, if we go with your conclusion, then our lynchpool tomorrow would look like this: snb vivax onegu oberyn + whoever didn't post between the fakeclaim and the confession of said fakeclaim (surely its more people than just snb and vivax?) That said, vivax spent a lot of time with me in pms n1 trying to convince me yamato is scum, so I think he's town. Oberyn, if scum, has played an amazing scumgame. Look at my interaction with him d1. So I think he's town That leaves onegu and snb, and I'm okay with that at this point, even if we came to the list with a conclusion I disagree with. Refreshing before I post: jkirby and koshi didn't post in that window according to onegu. I don't really like a koshi lynch but jkirby is definitely and option too. I think it's unlikely that scum wouldn't claim. Oberyn not revealing both names made perfect sense from the watcher standpoint, and there would be ways to make a JK claim believable, especially with the free day that lynching yamato gives. Which means that there's probably scum in that group, and it's probably Onegu. Since no one's brought it up yet, let's talk about what Onegu did around the FT lynch: Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 12:25 Onegu wrote:
Ok caught up, my thoughts on Firmtofu. Out of my seven games I have played 5 with tofu and he was town in all of them, never once has he asked about others thoughts before giving his own that was the first thing, also he is normally more active than this. His responses to cases against him arent that strong either.
Second reign case on me, SnB asked me my thoughts on S0L and FT and there wasnt much to go on so I said we need more info, I wasnt just posting random shit. Also again I am disabled and have a disabled child so sometimes I will be very active as I have nothing else to do, but others I will be at a hospital or on medicine and not post much.
Koshi looks scummy to me also, I will filter dive him now and bring up the points I found.
Also I was the main reason oberyn was elected, I thought he was Prome smurf so I straight up told him I would vote him, I also told jrkirby this. I later found out he isnt prome, but I had many discussions with him before voteing and found him the best choice.
Do we know when a house has used thier HP check? Or if I become lord can I find out if we still have it. Thinking about this maybe we shouldnt elect the same lord because if they are scum and use the HP check and we continue to elect them lord we will never find out if they used it or still have it.
I also like the split lord kp on 2 targets. Onegu comes back to the thread and softly encourages the FT wagon without actually calling FT scum. He's not associating himself by supporting the mislynch, but he doesn't want to actually derail it. Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 13:06 Onegu wrote:On August 08 2013 19:47 Koshi wrote:
@ Oats. Tell me why you have townreads on your house. Don't use names but you can at least tell us WHY they are town. It's impossible to actually know if somebody is town in your house. At this point I think Oats his house is filled with scum only. Why write this? What makes them all scum and why call out oats about haveing town reads on people. On August 08 2013 20:05 Koshi wrote:On August 08 2013 19:59 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 08 2013 19:54 Koshi wrote:On August 08 2013 19:47 Oatsmaster wrote:Oats, we just played in Titanic and you come in this thread and say that you know that everybody in your house is town and that you will protect their identity? You must be really REALLY confident in this game.
You prevent us to find scum in your house and you prevent your house by talking about how you got elected or prevent them from giving away information about you. Um what? My reads were mostly right in Titanic. 1 wrong read. whatever. I only prevent you from knowing who I can contact through pms. All this other stuff is really weird. I didnt get elected. I meant how the person in your house got elected. Your first scumread in Titanic was on a town that you pushed till the end. Then you found a "townslip" on an actual scum that we suspected and managed to get that scum enough towncred so he didn't get lynched day 1. Now in this game you say that your entire house is town and that we should just trust you on it. That's hilarious. I think sharing townreads is kinda useless. It makes it easier for scum to choose a nk and giving townreads is easy for scum. Treat it like a regular game with pms, scumhunt in the thread, scumhunt in pms or share reads with people you're fairly sure are town, only bring up pms in the thread if you got a really strong scumread on someone because of it. Ok I agree. But at this point we are not doing normal scumhunting. Everybody is discussing the houses while we are not allowed to mention the members in the houses. At this point we can't do any scumhunting at all. So you agree we shouldnt share townreads, but you just got finished calling out oats for not giving his townreads? On August 08 2013 23:17 Koshi wrote:
-Dandel told me that s0lstice was either a retard or a scum in 1 message
-I replied to him that s0lstice was nice to me and that there was no reason to believe he was either retarded or scum. I also said that s0llstice actually was a good leader and unlike DI that just wanted to kill Kush "because"
-Which DI answered to "it's not because, it's win/win (It clearly was not a joke like he claims now.)
DI told me that s0lstice was scum again 2 hours later:
I asked him why and I told him I found s0lstice genuine and without extra agenda.
DI replied to me his read on s0ltice and only after that I ran for lord.
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1) says the best scumhunter should be lord (Which I thought was s0lstice, I only knew DI from NWM)
1.5) does not vote the best scumhunter, votes the last place he himself stated to share with chrom (this was after all pms)
2) says he and chrom are in similar positions/places (imo yes)
2.5) does not even think about electing chrom but wants himself only because "it's me lol", tries to threaten a no-lord voting because "i (=dandel) cant convince sol to vote with me anyways lololol", so he's basically tried to blackmail me into voting for him (I voted chrom in the end. I just wanted to run because out of 2 equals I should pick myself because chrom might be scum (even though Chrom looks just as good as s0lstice)
3) says he doesn't want to be lord (At first)
3.5) suddenly wants to be lord, utterly unable to explain why (I fucking explained it 10 times)
4) says he won't vote for me because I'm tunneling and won't vote solstice because "there is suspicion on him" (aforementioned oneliner without explanation lol)
4.5) doesn't really fit the numbering thing but this is basically a paradoxon because he's saying he won't listen to me, but won't vote the guy he wanted lord half the phase because I'm suspicious of him.
4.6) If he wasn't listening to me, he wouldn't have listened period, but he's ran straight out of excuses and can't find any.
4.6.1) he probably thought I wouldn't notice because I was tunneling sol apparantly
4.7) at that point i wasn't even tunneling sol, but he didn't care to check that.
Point 4 and below is indeed a bit bad play on my part. But in my gut I just knew that those 2 weren't going to work together and that I should be able to run for Lord.
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Maybe I took n0 not serious enough for DI. But I had enough bullshit from this guy, he is lying 24/7 and any normal person would descredit him for being Lord after the PMs he sent me. The only question I have is why not just say ok chrome can be lord, why put your name up after saying you didnt want to be lord? On August 10 2013 01:50 Koshi wrote:On August 10 2013 01:31 s0Lstice wrote: Koshi still looks scummy to me. I just got done talking him out of his big dead red scum read in PMs (Oats) with like 2 lines of text. There's times like this where he really just lacks conviction that makes me think his reads are a pretext. Everybody thinks Oats is town and tells me that with 2 lines of text. I gave up on Oats. If they havent given you a good reason why give up on it? That just doesnt make much sense. On August 10 2013 06:21 Koshi wrote:On August 10 2013 06:09 Chromatically wrote:On August 10 2013 05:45 Grackaroni wrote:On August 10 2013 05:38 Chromatically wrote:On August 10 2013 05:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I read Crackaroni as the exact opposite compared to Chromatically, based on that post.
Why is that a non-contribution Chrom? How is it a contribution? There's no scumhunting and doesn't help town at all. I would expect town to post the part on iamp and try to do some pressure, or jump on something in the thread, but listing your house and giving townreads is useless. I gave what I thought about Iamp in the post and I pressured him in pm's as well, and how many first posts involve scumhunting? What about Koshi makes him your 2nd scum read? Koshi has been posting, but doesn't seem like he cares about the lynch at all. He's halfheartedly pushed Oats, and that's it. Kirby and Onegu have similar problems, posting without caring about the lynch and not contributing. I have pushed Oats 3 times in this thread, and every time I get laughed at and everybody telling me that Oats is town because of meta. How can you say I half-heartedly pushed Oats? On top of that I can't lynch anybody and my Lord thinks I am scum. Obviously I am not as passionate about the lynch as I normally am. Who are you going to vote on? Because I would love you to go outside our House because I am not scum and s0lstice hasn't done anything scummy except vote for you... You are the only Lord that is actually trying to lynch his own servants. Kill FT, Oats, Kirby or johnnywup. They are all "active" but completely useless, and with Oats or johnnywup you have a good chance to hit scum. But you didnt push him that hard, and give me more reasons than they are completely useless. Then he goes through Koshi's filter and quotes every post he can paint as scummy, even though most of these aren't actually scummy at all. Keep in mind that Koshi was a pretty easy target at the time. There were quite a few reasons that had already been stated by others to want to lynch Koshi, so why put in so much effort to make an original "contribution" that's far weaker than the other points previously stated? Onegu makes NO effort at all to push his Koshi case, despite Koshi being his top scumread. He also makes no effort towards derailing the FT lynch. He shows far more interest in night shots than he does in the lynch. So Onegu: a) refused to take a stance on FT b) put in extra effort to write an original case on Koshi, even though his reasons were mostly not alignment-indicative c) didn't push his case on Koshi at all and showed complete apathy toward the lynch
Onegu's soft defense of FT and nonexistant pressure on Koshi are clearly scummy, far more so than Vivax's "townread" on FT.
Risen has no comment on this, and does not change his stance.
I press him about it in thread, and he still has no explanation and is unable to find a single other example. He doesn't press Vivax, his #1 scumread, at all in-thread after this. He doesn't even MENTION him, in fact, except when asked by me. If he honestly believed in his logic, why would he back off? The explanation is that he CAN'T press it in-thread because he cannot explain it.
He's also refused to elaborate on his Grack scumread, even after being asked multiple times by me. He's trying to twist everything he can into making Sharrant scum, including his latest post:
On August 15 2013 01:44 Risen wrote:
Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait....
Sharrant has... a one shot alignment check, a one shot hp check, and two PMs? Why wouldn't it remain at one if this was a real role? Outside of role speculation which isn't really conclusive ever, have you people looked at this claim?!?!
Is this real life? How is this not the lynch for today?
And holy crapshoot in a barrel filled with chickens and sausage HOW IS HE LORD?!??!
House Tyrell
Kushm4sta
johnnywup
Sharrant
Acrofales
Of the four people in this house they chose the one who has two pages of filter in a game that's now on day 3 who told them he was going to be gone for a large portion?!
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Attacking Sharrant for being lord makes absolutely no sense, since that is OBVIOUSLY not alignment-indicative.
Also, since some people have been arguing "not using logic doesn't make him scum":
- town often uses strong logic
- town sometimes uses "crazy logic", that doesn't really make sense unless you look at it a very specific way
- scum will use whatever logic they can, including "no logic", where they just make up reads at will
- town never uses "no logic"
It's one thing for people to have crazy scumreads. It's another for them to have obviously unjustifiable scumreads, no matter how you look at it.
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On August 15 2013 01:44 Risen wrote:
Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait....
Sharrant has... a one shot alignment check, a one shot hp check, and two PMs? Why wouldn't it remain at one if this was a real role? Outside of role speculation which isn't really conclusive ever, have you people looked at this claim?!?!
Is this real life? How is this not the lynch for today?
And holy crapshoot in a barrel filled with chickens and sausage HOW IS HE LORD?!??!
House Tyrell
Kushm4sta
johnnywup
Sharrant
Acrofales
Of the four people in this house they chose the one who has two pages of filter in a game that's now on day 3 who told them he was going to be gone for a large portion?!
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He's lord because I think he's town and so does johnny. I even believe kush thinks he's town, but he may have flipflopped back into believing he's scum in the meantime. Either way, he voted for him. The way we did it was:
jwup, Sharrant and kush vote for Sharrant
Acro votes for Acro
A 3-1 setup to ensure we don't have a crapshoot random lord if Sharrant gets knocked off during the night, but it was basically a unanimous vote for Sharrant. If kush had gone apeshit and not voted for sharrant, we would be lordless and I would be hollering that kush needed to get lynched asap. He didn't, so now I just want him shot at night.
Generally speaking, activity is a decent town tell, but there are some people it just doesn't work on. Try that shit on hopeless1der, for instance, I dare you. Or... grush. Or even Strongandbig (who I used to think it worked on until I really wanted to mislynch him in some of his town games).
Sharrant is about as confirmed town as we have in our realm. NOT voting for him would be fucking stupid. And while I agree claiming 1-shot cop doesn't make him actual confirmed town, I have so far seen absolutely NO reason to believe Sharrant is fakeclaiming.
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@s0L
Has your reads in your house changed or still town on DI and Chrome scum on Koshi?
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On August 14 2013 14:09 Mocsta wrote:
Lords.
Tyrell and baratheon are the only full houses left.
I suggest we purge there. That way we help maintain lord full house no longevity.
Chromatically from baratheon is my choice. But I am a mere peasant.
Explain "purging houses"?
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On August 15 2013 01:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax comment on my case on Mocsta please.
Lynching mocsta is a fucking terrible idea because statistics. I don't give a shit how scummy he plays until we get later in the game. Also, scum asking his scumbuddy for input. Nice fucking distancing you got going there.
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I am now going to stand up for this shit, because it's too much of shit. We (you) are not going to lynch Risen. He is town.
We are going to lynch Mocsta, then when he flips red look at these fuckers who do not comment on my case .
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On August 15 2013 02:07 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 01:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax comment on my case on Mocsta please. Lynching mocsta is a fucking terrible idea because statistics. I don't give a shit how scummy he plays until we get later in the game. Also, scum asking his scumbuddy for input. Nice fucking distancing you got going there.
You are scum or an idiot. Did you read Red Teams Prize already and compared that to your case?
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