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On August 15 2013 01:00 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 00:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 15 2013 00:49 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 00:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Xatalos, i feel a bit offended for your response. I feel like i have done more scumhunting and tried to get shit done on D1 over any other person (barring iamp at the end of D1). On D2 as i have explained why i didn't do much, i didn't have to. yamato was gonna die. I have shared all my reads with Risen on N2 (and at that time i did not know Ace was gonna get modkilled) so they would have been in thread on D3 anyways (or i would have been dead, which proves i am town).
Can you expand on "not focusing on scumhunting"? Show me some examples.
Also you did not explain why you agree with your scumread Acro immediately on his case on me (which was btw bullshit). iamperfection kept telling me that Acro was town (and with some good reasoning). When we started arguing, my read on Acro was closer to a nullread than a scumread. As we kept arguing, I started to think more and more that he might be town after all. His case on you awakened the lingering suspicion I had had on you for much longer, but never actually pushed. I'm not saying that you're likely scum. I'm just saying that you're not nearly as likely town as in NWM. Even iamperfection reduced his strong townread of you close to a nullread after D2. "On D2 as i have explained why i didn't do much, i didn't have to."That has to be the most scummy statement I've seen all game............. You've done some scumhunting, but I doubt I'll have to show you why a disturbing amount of your filter is just utterly useless questioning and arguing. To your bolded statement. I did not offer my conclusions in thread. It's not that i do not have them (something Acro falsely used in his case aswell). There was no way noone else than yamato was gonna get lynched. Why should i tell everything i have figured out in thread? Everyone who knows how i play knowes i will PM my thoughts to Risen before the end of night, and in case i do die, Risen has to publish them. Otherwise he dies. Do you agree? It's different to send a list to someone in PM (very easy for scum to do) than to actually pressure, argue and scumhunt in thread (pretty hard for scum to do, at least well). The route you chose doesn't feel townish at all.
If you have any idea how i play, you should know that i ask a lot of questions and then offer my conclusions based (mostly) on how people interact with me. If the conclusions do not help in that particular time or give me a town read i do not talk about that stuff any more.
And yes, i have really tried to adjust my playstyle after Titanic, which was a clusterfuck. I try to be less emotional because people would not let me lynch obv-mafia on D1 and D2 and then everyone discredited me for "shitting up the thread" when their counter-argument was "townslip yo!". Do you know how frustrating that feels? When you can't convince people with shitty logic, and on top of that they call you shit.
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lol
EBWOP:
I mean: "When you can't convince people who have shitty logic"
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On August 15 2013 01:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 01:00 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 00:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 15 2013 00:49 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 00:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Xatalos, i feel a bit offended for your response. I feel like i have done more scumhunting and tried to get shit done on D1 over any other person (barring iamp at the end of D1). On D2 as i have explained why i didn't do much, i didn't have to. yamato was gonna die. I have shared all my reads with Risen on N2 (and at that time i did not know Ace was gonna get modkilled) so they would have been in thread on D3 anyways (or i would have been dead, which proves i am town).
Can you expand on "not focusing on scumhunting"? Show me some examples.
Also you did not explain why you agree with your scumread Acro immediately on his case on me (which was btw bullshit). iamperfection kept telling me that Acro was town (and with some good reasoning). When we started arguing, my read on Acro was closer to a nullread than a scumread. As we kept arguing, I started to think more and more that he might be town after all. His case on you awakened the lingering suspicion I had had on you for much longer, but never actually pushed. I'm not saying that you're likely scum. I'm just saying that you're not nearly as likely town as in NWM. Even iamperfection reduced his strong townread of you close to a nullread after D2. "On D2 as i have explained why i didn't do much, i didn't have to."That has to be the most scummy statement I've seen all game............. You've done some scumhunting, but I doubt I'll have to show you why a disturbing amount of your filter is just utterly useless questioning and arguing. To your bolded statement. I did not offer my conclusions in thread. It's not that i do not have them (something Acro falsely used in his case aswell). There was no way noone else than yamato was gonna get lynched. Why should i tell everything i have figured out in thread? Everyone who knows how i play knowes i will PM my thoughts to Risen before the end of night, and in case i do die, Risen has to publish them. Otherwise he dies. Do you agree? It's different to send a list to someone in PM (very easy for scum to do) than to actually pressure, argue and scumhunt in thread (pretty hard for scum to do, at least well). The route you chose doesn't feel townish at all. If you have any idea how i play, you should know that i ask a lot of questions and then offer my conclusions based (mostly) on how people interact with me. If the conclusions do not help in that particular time or give me a town read i do not talk about that stuff any more. And yes, i have really tried to adjust my playstyle after Titanic, which was a clusterfuck. I try to be less emotional because people would not let me lynch obv-mafia on D1 and D2 and then everyone discredited me for "shitting up the thread" when their counter-argument was "townslip yo!". Do you know how frustrating that feels? When you can't convince people with shitty logic, and on top of that they call you shit.
ROFL :D
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On August 15 2013 01:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 01:00 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 00:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 15 2013 00:49 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 00:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Xatalos, i feel a bit offended for your response. I feel like i have done more scumhunting and tried to get shit done on D1 over any other person (barring iamp at the end of D1). On D2 as i have explained why i didn't do much, i didn't have to. yamato was gonna die. I have shared all my reads with Risen on N2 (and at that time i did not know Ace was gonna get modkilled) so they would have been in thread on D3 anyways (or i would have been dead, which proves i am town).
Can you expand on "not focusing on scumhunting"? Show me some examples.
Also you did not explain why you agree with your scumread Acro immediately on his case on me (which was btw bullshit). iamperfection kept telling me that Acro was town (and with some good reasoning). When we started arguing, my read on Acro was closer to a nullread than a scumread. As we kept arguing, I started to think more and more that he might be town after all. His case on you awakened the lingering suspicion I had had on you for much longer, but never actually pushed. I'm not saying that you're likely scum. I'm just saying that you're not nearly as likely town as in NWM. Even iamperfection reduced his strong townread of you close to a nullread after D2. "On D2 as i have explained why i didn't do much, i didn't have to."That has to be the most scummy statement I've seen all game............. You've done some scumhunting, but I doubt I'll have to show you why a disturbing amount of your filter is just utterly useless questioning and arguing. To your bolded statement. I did not offer my conclusions in thread. It's not that i do not have them (something Acro falsely used in his case aswell). There was no way noone else than yamato was gonna get lynched. Why should i tell everything i have figured out in thread? Everyone who knows how i play knowes i will PM my thoughts to Risen before the end of night, and in case i do die, Risen has to publish them. Otherwise he dies. Do you agree? It's different to send a list to someone in PM (very easy for scum to do) than to actually pressure, argue and scumhunt in thread (pretty hard for scum to do, at least well). The route you chose doesn't feel townish at all. If you have any idea how i play, you should know that i ask a lot of questions and then offer my conclusions based (mostly) on how people interact with me. If the conclusions do not help in that particular time or give me a town read i do not talk about that stuff any more. And yes, i have really tried to adjust my playstyle after Titanic, which was a clusterfuck. I try to be less emotional because people would not let me lynch obv-mafia on D1 and D2 and then everyone discredited me for "shitting up the thread" when their counter-argument was "townslip yo!". Do you know how frustrating that feels? When you can't convince people with shitty logic, and on top of that they call you shit.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...............
Why do you focus on fruitless details though? Instead of like, scumreads?
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On August 15 2013 00:58 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 00:55 Vivax wrote:On August 14 2013 23:36 Xatalos wrote:On August 14 2013 22:28 Vivax wrote:Xatalos, the most recent reasoning for lynching Risen I found is this: I think snb might actually be town because I had this exact same thought (although less fleshed out) just a bit earlier. Risen's first post was so bad and yet so much effort was put in it. After that... Almost nothing. No follow-up to his first post or anything. No pushing his reads. There's a clear difference between the effort in his first post and everything after that.
Give me an updated bullet list of your points against him please, there's much more to go with than just the quantity of his posts in the beginning. While you're at it, give me a reason for me being scum that hasn't to do with activity, cause that's probably the reason 99 % in here have for thinking I'm scum. You're just skating by and targeting popular lynch targets, the latest case you wrote was on jkirby, and that was upon Acrofales' request. You're clearly not reading very closely. That was just my second post against Risen, with almost the same content as the first one. I had more after that, like his contradictory statements about his scumreads on me and DI (and also his push for Sharrant didn't feel right, nor his faulty logic with his original accusations and how he never followed up on them). iamperfection initially got me suspicious of you. Here's a summary of his opinions (from the last will post): "Vivax- so i reread what he posted after i told him i think he is scum. Fucker still has not had a single strong push the entire game. vivax should be leading the town or fighting me if im wrong about sompething he simply does not care what is going on and isnt trying to catch scum. He does this because he is scum" Basically, lack of genuine effort, pushing, involvement... Not just lack of activity. Lynchworthy for sure. After some PM'ing with Clarity I'm not as confident in Risen being scum anymore. He's generally crazy and it's hard to distinguish between crazy town and crazy scum. Maybe his faulty logic is explained by his general lack of logical thinking. For now it might be a better idea to lynch you, s0Lstice, snb or Mocsta (unless he keeps up his clear effort, which isn't very easy to do as scum). Effort, pushing, involvement. You mention things that aren't very empiric, so to say. You don't show if I'm pushing scum agenda, you don't quote particular posts, you say it's not activity, but you don't tell how you measure the three attributes you think make me scum when they are usually correlated to activity. The case on me is bullshit, I'm town, and I have yet to see a case with a clear line of thought that doesn't use activity as argument. I invite you to make one based on the content of my posts, and I'll dunk it, and you afterwards if you fuck up. I don't see what you mean with contradictory statements from Risen. You posted that he was wrong about you and Dandel, afterwards you posted this: On August 09 2013 21:21 Xatalos wrote:
I agree that Risen is quite likely town (unfortunately, one might also say).
So I wonder now, why do you mention something that is supposed to make him scum when in the past it wasn't reason enough and you gave him a townread in spite of what you call a contradiction now. what posts?
LOL :D
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You have been bringing up these "fruitless details" for a long time. can you now explain what do you mean by them so i could... you know... answer you?
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So we have a claimed cop who didn't die last night with a red check on the clear lynch candidate for d2. Has anyone thought why there would be a one shot cop in this game when there's so many people? There isn't.
This is so simple a lynch.
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On August 14 2013 23:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Onegu, why did you got elected over Oberyn in your house?
We had a discussion I asked if I could be lord, oberyn said sure, mocsta didnt really care as he had town reads on us both.
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On August 14 2013 23:55 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2013 23:36 Onegu wrote:On August 14 2013 23:17 strongandbig wrote:
1. Main thing sharrant still hasn't answered IMO is why he claimed to acro without worrying that he would get killed. He said he lied about his target in case acro was scum, so it can't be because he had such a strong town read on acro that he was willing to risk his whole blue role on it.
2. Vivax misstating the case against him. When I get to my computer I'll explain or maybe copy some pms I sent to clarity and oats.
3. Risen! Kill with fire. Just cause he had one food point on sharrant doesn't make him town, read my first case on him for the reasons why his filter makes him scum.
@onegu fuck you how have I disappeared. It's been night phase when we were not allowed to post. Derplord.
@vivax read the thread koshis argument is that when mocsta calls koshi scum for attacking jrkirby's filter, it's a scummy chainsaw defense because mocsta should be able to see how onjectively scummy jrkirby's filter looks regardless of what mocsta/jrkirby's actual alignment is. Grow up you were gone 8 pages before night post, and 8 pages since day post, you havent been around much. Also your overreaction to clairity passing your role name along. And your random vote on me for no reason day one made me feel scum on you. And you got active after people started tomcall you scum, sure it maybe random chance, but with everything else you are scummy to me. the causal connection is that people started calling me scum after i left. obviously once i came back it was going to be after people started calling me scum. and we have like 50 page days, so i missed 8 pages, boo hoo.
16 pages.
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yeah that's one line in a long list of reads that you sent in a pm. That doesn't count as an actual explanation or an actual argument, and the fact that you would even point to that gives me a bad feeling.
Prior to that your scum reads are me and onegu, neither of which you actually explain in any detail other than the "misunderstanding" with onegu that you drop eventually. in fact this mocsta thing is close to the second time you actually give reasons other than "he hasn't done anything" for a scum read in this entire game.
why vivax? Why not me? Why not onegu? srsly
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On August 15 2013 00:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Risen for fucks sake. We are not going to elect you as a lord any more in this game.
THIS IS WHY I WANNA GET ELECTED! So that i can actually talk with people.
You are talking to people. Just in an open manner where everyone can read it. This erratic behavior is why I didn't want you elected lord. I don't trust you with a shot.
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On August 15 2013 00:45 Dandel Ion wrote:
Did everybody claim who they shot yet?
I PM'd chrom about it but yet no answer (he also hasnt posted so hes afk i guess) and i dunno if everybody else said so yet
Oberyn told me he shot kush. I think that is who all/most lords shot.
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Also, sab clearly scum. Hedging himself against sharrant's eventual red flip, while simultaneously calling me out as scum even though I'm the one saving town when sharrant had no one looking through his filter, apparently, since I'm the only one who called out the giant gaping hole in his logic.
To be fair, that's probably in line with my scum "meta" or some inane nonsense. I hate meta so much...... it's absurd. People become aware of their metas and then act accordingly. What's my town meta? Is it any different than my scum meta? I always try to find scummy things in thread and point them out regardless of my alignment.
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On August 15 2013 01:29 strongandbig wrote:yeah that's one line in a long list of reads that you sent in a pm. That doesn't count as an actual explanation or an actual argument, and the fact that you would even point to that gives me a bad feeling. Prior to that your scum reads are me and onegu, neither of which you actually explain in any detail other than the "misunderstanding" with onegu that you drop eventually. in fact this mocsta thing is close to the second time you actually give reasons other than "he hasn't done anything" for a scum read in this entire game. why vivax? Why not me? Why not onegu? srsly
What game are you reading?
I have explained my scumread on Onegu. I have explained my scumread on you.
I have explained all my reads and all the explanations are in thread. Why are you not reading the thread?
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I am starting to have an urge to lynch SnB, honestly..
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On August 14 2013 20:34 Sharrant wrote:
Good morning, everyone.
Like Johnny said, I'm not going to be active for a while. I should be phone posting in about 12 hours, and hopefully posting from my laptop in 14ish.
Running late now: Vivax, SnB, Koshi, JrKirby/Mocsta are all persons of interest to me right now. Koshi has the strongest case in my eyes for being SK. Vivax never openly expressed his thoughts on Yamato (If I'm recalling correctly), but did so in PMs, this is suspicious to me. SnB has been such a non-factor that I feel he has a good chance of being scum. And JrKirby would have been my choice if not for Mocsta's replacement. Without the replacement he would be my for sure choice for lynch today,
Actual analysis will come when I'm not late for important things.
How did Sharrant even get elected? House Tyrell is the worst. 1,5 page filter and afk for another 12 hours.
His latest persons of interests are
Vivax because he thought Yamato was scum in PMs.
Koshi because he is the SK.
SnB because he is a non-factor.
And then of course jrkirby but not mocsta."I think you are 99% scum, but I am going to let you stay alive so you can misdirect the thread for a while"
If today somebody else then Sharrant/Mocsta is getting lynched I am going to be really really sad.
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On August 15 2013 01:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax comment on my case on Mocsta please.
I don't think he's scum. Your case looks like a collection of shit you disagree with, not reasoning for him being scum. Other points you mention are "he never explains why x", have you tried asking him first?
Either way, I wouldn't lynch him today before giving him the chance to post more, he can be a great thread driver.
+ Show Spoiler +On August 14 2013 23:28 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2013 22:59 Vivax wrote:On August 14 2013 22:55 Koshi wrote:On August 14 2013 22:42 Vivax wrote:
Koshi, can you post a more concise line of reasoning for Mocsta being scum? I don't really see a logic for that behind your posts, it's more like you're antagonizing him.
Comments on Sharrant please.
I also want to add that Sharrant's roleblock claim should be treated as null. If he's scum he will know that it would look odd if a claimed cop doesn't get roleblocked. 1) Nope, I am not antagonizing him. jrkirby his posting was obvious scum and the fact that Mocsta is a firm believer that jrkirby his posting was town is actually the prove that Mocsta is scum. 2) Risen his case on Sharrant was already perfect. The way how Sharrant entered the thread after Acro revealed him is enough. If Mocsta is town he will obviously believe that his predecessor was town. Is he scum cause he thinks that his predecessor isn't scum? The fuck? Is he town because he thinks his predecessor is town? The fuck? So Mocsta spends a shitton of time reading this entire thread to analyse all the players. 1)He doesn't comment on jrkirby at all. 2)The latest post of Mocsta even suggest that he didn't even have read his predecessor his filter. He just read it for the first time and "doesn"t understand what the commotion is all about". Question back to you! If you replace into a game and you have read 130 pages, read all filters and spent a lot of time making a giant list with your current reads in the game. How big is the chance that you have read your predecessor his filter/posts as well? Mocsta reacted like shit on my accusations towards jkirby and is now lying to protect his ass. Seriously. It's obvious.
Idem.
On August 14 2013 23:17 strongandbig wrote:
1. Main thing sharrant still hasn't answered IMO is why he claimed to acro without worrying that he would get killed. He said he lied about his target in case acro was scum, so it can't be because he had such a strong town read on acro that he was willing to risk his whole blue role on it.
2. Vivax misstating the case against him. When I get to my computer I'll explain or maybe copy some pms I sent to clarity and oats.
3. Risen! Kill with fire. Just cause he had one food point on sharrant doesn't make him town, read my first case on him for the reasons why his filter makes him scum.
@onegu fuck you how have I disappeared. It's been night phase when we were not allowed to post. Derplord.
@vivax read the thread koshis argument is that when mocsta calls koshi scum for attacking jrkirby's filter, it's a scummy chainsaw defense because mocsta should be able to see how onjectively scummy jrkirby's filter looks regardless of what mocsta/jrkirby's actual alignment is.
And you think Koshi's argument is good? If so, what's your opinion on lynching him?
I don't know what you want to achieve tbh. Do you want Mocsta to answer for the posts of jkirby?Do you want him to admit that his slot is scummy? That's not the way to get alignment indicative information.
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I think Sharrant claimed that he can PM 2 people additionally somewhere, don't recall where I saw it though. Can anyone confirm that they have been in contact with Sharrant without being in the same house?
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Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait....
Sharrant has... a one shot alignment check, a one shot hp check, and two PMs? Why wouldn't it remain at one if this was a real role? Outside of role speculation which isn't really conclusive ever, have you people looked at this claim?!?!
Is this real life? How is this not the lynch for today?
And holy crapshoot in a barrel filled with chickens and sausage HOW IS HE LORD?!??!
House Tyrell
Kushm4sta
johnnywup
Sharrant
Acrofales
Of the four people in this house they chose the one who has two pages of filter in a game that's now on day 3 who told them he was going to be gone for a large portion?!
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Vivax, it's not that i disagree with his "shit". It's that i pointed out why he is not playing for town.
Do you disagree with me (having played in LXI) in what i said about his read and thoughts about Sharrant?
Do you disagree with me that his reads are bullshit? If so, show me why.
Do you disagree with me that his behavior is anti-town in general (trying to cast shit on people for no reason just because they call him out)? If so, why?
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