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On August 14 2013 23:33 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2013 16:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 14 2013 15:59 Clarity_nl wrote:
Also please explain how Risen got lord instead of rayn. Did Risen not budge and rayn was forced to consolidate or? Pretty much yeah. So what? Did you just not want to risk your neck by sticking it out and fighting to be lord. Surely Risen's utterly insane behaviour yesterday showed that he is not fit to be lord (although I don't agree with Ser Strongandbig's assessment). Aiming his longships at Sharrant is a sign of insanity, not Blackfyre sympathy, and insane people are less likely to be part of a rebellion, imho. So if you are in fact a loyalist, you'd draw the conclusion that Risen is insane, and he should be deposed as lord. That leaves you as the only alternative. Is Risen so powerhungry? Why did you admit defeat so easily? It seems like a Blackfyre slinking back into the shadows to me. Lets kill Rayn, the Blackfyre pretender kraken!
I don't want to get into a fight with my townreads, especially when there are 2 people left in our house. That accomplishes nothing. Even if Risen is scum this is a far better outcome for the town. Deal with it.
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I'm gonna do groceries, have dinner and then chill a bit. I'm saying this here because pms and stuff.
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Fucking phone ate my post. Here we go again.
@SnB
I was very confident in my read on acro, but I'm not stupid. I used my claim to confirm we had the same thought process, we did. The lie was to cover my ass if he was mafia.
Why wouldn't he shoot me? It's likely that mafia have some sort of framing mechanic in play. If he could guide me to a framed target either:
A) I give a green check on a mafia and give him town cred and if he ever dies I likely get lynched immediately. No shot needed for my death and if I flip before the mafia he gets cred to last to lylo.
B) I give a red check on a townie. He gets lynched. I get lynched. Town Just lost two lynches, and scum are free to shoot whoever they please.
On top of that I have the ability to pm two other people. He has to assume I told them to lynch him if I was rb'ed or killed. (i didn't though, because if either of them were mafia it could get both of us killed if he's town and johnny or kush was scum. He would have had to gamble either way, but one is safer and has higher reward and that option is framing.
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Sharrant why is it likely that mafia has a framing mechanic? Sounds fair vs 1-shot cop?
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Oh yeah and from what i know Risen shot johnnywup.
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On August 14 2013 23:36 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2013 23:17 strongandbig wrote:
1. Main thing sharrant still hasn't answered IMO is why he claimed to acro without worrying that he would get killed. He said he lied about his target in case acro was scum, so it can't be because he had such a strong town read on acro that he was willing to risk his whole blue role on it.
2. Vivax misstating the case against him. When I get to my computer I'll explain or maybe copy some pms I sent to clarity and oats.
3. Risen! Kill with fire. Just cause he had one food point on sharrant doesn't make him town, read my first case on him for the reasons why his filter makes him scum.
@onegu fuck you how have I disappeared. It's been night phase when we were not allowed to post. Derplord.
@vivax read the thread koshis argument is that when mocsta calls koshi scum for attacking jrkirby's filter, it's a scummy chainsaw defense because mocsta should be able to see how onjectively scummy jrkirby's filter looks regardless of what mocsta/jrkirby's actual alignment is. Grow up you were gone 8 pages before night post, and 8 pages since day post, you havent been around much. Also your overreaction to clairity passing your role name along. And your random vote on me for no reason day one made me feel scum on you. And you got active after people started tomcall you scum, sure it maybe random chance, but with everything else you are scummy to me.
the causal connection is that people started calling me scum after i left. obviously once i came back it was going to be after people started calling me scum. and we have like 50 page days, so i missed 8 pages, boo hoo.
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Onegu, why did you got elected over Oberyn in your house?
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On August 14 2013 23:46 Sharrant wrote:
Fucking phone ate my post. Here we go again.
@SnB
I was very confident in my read on acro, but I'm not stupid. I used my claim to confirm we had the same thought process, we did. The lie was to cover my ass if he was mafia.
Why wouldn't he shoot me? It's likely that mafia have some sort of framing mechanic in play. If he could guide me to a framed target either:
A) I give a green check on a mafia and give him town cred and if he ever dies I likely get lynched immediately. No shot needed for my death and if I flip before the mafia he gets cred to last to lylo.
B) I give a red check on a townie. He gets lynched. I get lynched. Town Just lost two lynches, and scum are free to shoot whoever they please.
On top of that I have the ability to pm two other people. He has to assume I told them to lynch him if I was rb'ed or killed. (i didn't though, because if either of them were mafia it could get both of us killed if he's town and johnny or kush was scum. He would have had to gamble either way, but one is safer and has higher reward and that option is framing.
I agree with this logic actually. Acro as scum wouldn't probably expect to be fooled with the check target (since you already told him you were a Cop) and it would be so much better to frame your target than kill you. In addition, if you told anyone else that you were going to tell Acro, it would cast too much doubt on Acro to kill you then (since there wouldn't really have been any other reason to kill you).
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Which means that regardless of Acro's alignment, Sharran't behaviour makes sense from a town perspective.
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On August 14 2013 23:57 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2013 23:46 Sharrant wrote:
Fucking phone ate my post. Here we go again.
@SnB
I was very confident in my read on acro, but I'm not stupid. I used my claim to confirm we had the same thought process, we did. The lie was to cover my ass if he was mafia.
Why wouldn't he shoot me? It's likely that mafia have some sort of framing mechanic in play. If he could guide me to a framed target either:
A) I give a green check on a mafia and give him town cred and if he ever dies I likely get lynched immediately. No shot needed for my death and if I flip before the mafia he gets cred to last to lylo.
B) I give a red check on a townie. He gets lynched. I get lynched. Town Just lost two lynches, and scum are free to shoot whoever they please.
On top of that I have the ability to pm two other people. He has to assume I told them to lynch him if I was rb'ed or killed. (i didn't though, because if either of them were mafia it could get both of us killed if he's town and johnny or kush was scum. He would have had to gamble either way, but one is safer and has higher reward and that option is framing. I agree with this logic actually. Acro as scum wouldn't probably expect to be fooled with the check target (since you already told him you were a Cop) and it would be so much better to frame your target than kill you. In addition, if you told anyone else that you were going to tell Acro, it would cast too much doubt on Acro to kill you then (since there wouldn't really have been any other reason to kill you).
yeah agreed this is a more decent reasoning than i'd expected. ofc if scum dont have a framer and acro is scum then you're dead. but that makes two "if your read/setup speculation is wrong" rather than one and i'm more comfortable with accepting this as town reasoning.
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Xatalos andSharrant: Why is it likely there is a framer as only cop claim is one shot?
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Anyway here's what I said to clarity about vivax, and it's what makes me think he's scum that has nothing to do with activity:
also i feel like vivax's reads change a lot and he's not nearly as aggressive as usual when he's town. if you look at his reads, for the lynch/kp target he goes koshi->sharrant->koshi->yamato->yamato or johnnywup->koshi or me
most of the time his reasons were switching were "it doesn't seem like i can convince lords to go for my scumread." That doesn't feel like vivax, he seems like the kind of person who rages when people don't listen to him rather than the kind of person who just says "okay moving on".
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On August 14 2013 23:59 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2013 23:57 Xatalos wrote:On August 14 2013 23:46 Sharrant wrote:
Fucking phone ate my post. Here we go again.
@SnB
I was very confident in my read on acro, but I'm not stupid. I used my claim to confirm we had the same thought process, we did. The lie was to cover my ass if he was mafia.
Why wouldn't he shoot me? It's likely that mafia have some sort of framing mechanic in play. If he could guide me to a framed target either:
A) I give a green check on a mafia and give him town cred and if he ever dies I likely get lynched immediately. No shot needed for my death and if I flip before the mafia he gets cred to last to lylo.
B) I give a red check on a townie. He gets lynched. I get lynched. Town Just lost two lynches, and scum are free to shoot whoever they please.
On top of that I have the ability to pm two other people. He has to assume I told them to lynch him if I was rb'ed or killed. (i didn't though, because if either of them were mafia it could get both of us killed if he's town and johnny or kush was scum. He would have had to gamble either way, but one is safer and has higher reward and that option is framing. I agree with this logic actually. Acro as scum wouldn't probably expect to be fooled with the check target (since you already told him you were a Cop) and it would be so much better to frame your target than kill you. In addition, if you told anyone else that you were going to tell Acro, it would cast too much doubt on Acro to kill you then (since there wouldn't really have been any other reason to kill you). yeah agreed this is a more decent reasoning than i'd expected. ofc if scum dont have a framer and acro is scum then you're dead. but that makes two "if your read/setup speculation is wrong" rather than one and i'm more comfortable with accepting this as town reasoning.
lol, the whole thing Sharrant is saying relies on the fact that there is a framer, and you don't want to setup speculate??!?!?!?
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On August 15 2013 00:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2013 23:59 strongandbig wrote:On August 14 2013 23:57 Xatalos wrote:On August 14 2013 23:46 Sharrant wrote:
Fucking phone ate my post. Here we go again.
@SnB
I was very confident in my read on acro, but I'm not stupid. I used my claim to confirm we had the same thought process, we did. The lie was to cover my ass if he was mafia.
Why wouldn't he shoot me? It's likely that mafia have some sort of framing mechanic in play. If he could guide me to a framed target either:
A) I give a green check on a mafia and give him town cred and if he ever dies I likely get lynched immediately. No shot needed for my death and if I flip before the mafia he gets cred to last to lylo.
B) I give a red check on a townie. He gets lynched. I get lynched. Town Just lost two lynches, and scum are free to shoot whoever they please.
On top of that I have the ability to pm two other people. He has to assume I told them to lynch him if I was rb'ed or killed. (i didn't though, because if either of them were mafia it could get both of us killed if he's town and johnny or kush was scum. He would have had to gamble either way, but one is safer and has higher reward and that option is framing. I agree with this logic actually. Acro as scum wouldn't probably expect to be fooled with the check target (since you already told him you were a Cop) and it would be so much better to frame your target than kill you. In addition, if you told anyone else that you were going to tell Acro, it would cast too much doubt on Acro to kill you then (since there wouldn't really have been any other reason to kill you). yeah agreed this is a more decent reasoning than i'd expected. ofc if scum dont have a framer and acro is scum then you're dead. but that makes two "if your read/setup speculation is wrong" rather than one and i'm more comfortable with accepting this as town reasoning. lol, the whole thing Sharrant is saying relies on the fact that there is a framer, and you don't want to setup speculate??!?!?!?
Not completely. If there is no framer (possible), then Sharrant might still have told someone else. That means either that person or Acro is scum if Sharrant dies. Much, much more dangerous for Acro than letting Sharrant live (ESPECIALLY when he thought he knew who Sharrant was targeting and maybe it wasn't scum).
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On August 14 2013 23:24 strongandbig wrote:
Scum killed three people who were going to be lords Day 2. Oatsmaster very odd choice otherwise IMO, he didnt breadcrumb afaik and I don't think he was readable as blue. Also 3/3 too much to be coincidence.
at least 1 of those people (oats) were not going to be lords today cause we elected clarity.
It seems likely scum was finishing off the people they split KP onto night 1. Makes me think they did not know the hp check before choosing their KP. Killing lords a possible scum tactic to produce confusion among town, disrupt "town circle" of lord pms. Possible that kill on gumshoe really did come from town vig instead of mole giving scum the hp checks.
I actually came to the same conclusion that scum were probably splitting KP between 3 players. Maybe they underestimated the amount of KP needed to kill someone.
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On August 15 2013 00:07 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 00:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 14 2013 23:59 strongandbig wrote:On August 14 2013 23:57 Xatalos wrote:On August 14 2013 23:46 Sharrant wrote:
Fucking phone ate my post. Here we go again.
@SnB
I was very confident in my read on acro, but I'm not stupid. I used my claim to confirm we had the same thought process, we did. The lie was to cover my ass if he was mafia.
Why wouldn't he shoot me? It's likely that mafia have some sort of framing mechanic in play. If he could guide me to a framed target either:
A) I give a green check on a mafia and give him town cred and if he ever dies I likely get lynched immediately. No shot needed for my death and if I flip before the mafia he gets cred to last to lylo.
B) I give a red check on a townie. He gets lynched. I get lynched. Town Just lost two lynches, and scum are free to shoot whoever they please.
On top of that I have the ability to pm two other people. He has to assume I told them to lynch him if I was rb'ed or killed. (i didn't though, because if either of them were mafia it could get both of us killed if he's town and johnny or kush was scum. He would have had to gamble either way, but one is safer and has higher reward and that option is framing. I agree with this logic actually. Acro as scum wouldn't probably expect to be fooled with the check target (since you already told him you were a Cop) and it would be so much better to frame your target than kill you. In addition, if you told anyone else that you were going to tell Acro, it would cast too much doubt on Acro to kill you then (since there wouldn't really have been any other reason to kill you). yeah agreed this is a more decent reasoning than i'd expected. ofc if scum dont have a framer and acro is scum then you're dead. but that makes two "if your read/setup speculation is wrong" rather than one and i'm more comfortable with accepting this as town reasoning. lol, the whole thing Sharrant is saying relies on the fact that there is a framer, and you don't want to setup speculate??!?!?!? Not completely. If there is no framer (possible), then Sharrant might still have told someone else. That means either that person or Acro is scum if Sharrant dies. Much, much more dangerous for Acro than letting Sharrant live (ESPECIALLY when he thought he knew who Sharrant was targeting and maybe it wasn't scum).
Then why was Sharrant not roleblocked?
Why would roleblocking Sharrant incriminate Acrofales? What makes you think mafia thought you/Clarity/both were more likely to be blue than Sharrant (in case he is town - he was really... i do not know what the English word is.. i felt like he was not telling everything he knew in thread)? After his one shot cop reveal he has continued to be like that. I would really like to hear who is he PMing with besides his house. And for what reasons.
Also Xata, what was the sudden change of mind in your read on Acro, and your bullshit attack on me?
Also what do you have to say about my case on Mocsta.
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On August 15 2013 00:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2013 23:59 strongandbig wrote:On August 14 2013 23:57 Xatalos wrote:On August 14 2013 23:46 Sharrant wrote:
Fucking phone ate my post. Here we go again.
@SnB
I was very confident in my read on acro, but I'm not stupid. I used my claim to confirm we had the same thought process, we did. The lie was to cover my ass if he was mafia.
Why wouldn't he shoot me? It's likely that mafia have some sort of framing mechanic in play. If he could guide me to a framed target either:
A) I give a green check on a mafia and give him town cred and if he ever dies I likely get lynched immediately. No shot needed for my death and if I flip before the mafia he gets cred to last to lylo.
B) I give a red check on a townie. He gets lynched. I get lynched. Town Just lost two lynches, and scum are free to shoot whoever they please.
On top of that I have the ability to pm two other people. He has to assume I told them to lynch him if I was rb'ed or killed. (i didn't though, because if either of them were mafia it could get both of us killed if he's town and johnny or kush was scum. He would have had to gamble either way, but one is safer and has higher reward and that option is framing. I agree with this logic actually. Acro as scum wouldn't probably expect to be fooled with the check target (since you already told him you were a Cop) and it would be so much better to frame your target than kill you. In addition, if you told anyone else that you were going to tell Acro, it would cast too much doubt on Acro to kill you then (since there wouldn't really have been any other reason to kill you). yeah agreed this is a more decent reasoning than i'd expected. ofc if scum dont have a framer and acro is scum then you're dead. but that makes two "if your read/setup speculation is wrong" rather than one and i'm more comfortable with accepting this as town reasoning. lol, the whole thing Sharrant is saying relies on the fact that there is a framer, and you don't want to setup speculate??!?!?!?
thats not what i said
sharrant's thing relies on him thinking there was a framer. not that there actually was a framer.
christ rayn use your head for once. think about something before you make a big deal about it. it was the same with your stupid attack on onegu right from the start, i'm almost starting to think there is something to you being scum.
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On August 15 2013 00:11 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2013 23:24 strongandbig wrote:
Scum killed three people who were going to be lords Day 2. Oatsmaster very odd choice otherwise IMO, he didnt breadcrumb afaik and I don't think he was readable as blue. Also 3/3 too much to be coincidence.
at least 1 of those people (oats) were not going to be lords today cause we elected clarity.
It seems likely scum was finishing off the people they split KP onto night 1. Makes me think they did not know the hp check before choosing their KP. Killing lords a possible scum tactic to produce confusion among town, disrupt "town circle" of lord pms. Possible that kill on gumshoe really did come from town vig instead of mole giving scum the hp checks. I actually came to the same conclusion that scum were probably splitting KP between 3 players. Maybe they underestimated the amount of KP needed to kill someone.
Also this is WIFOM. If there is a mafia in your house it would look really bad if someone from your house died. We would use a HP check(s) on D2 start to confirm how much KP scum used and where, and make conclusions.
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On August 14 2013 15:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also we are lynching Vivax today.
rayn why did you say this. before it I see nothing in your filter about a read on vivax.
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On August 15 2013 00:17 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 00:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 14 2013 23:59 strongandbig wrote:On August 14 2013 23:57 Xatalos wrote:On August 14 2013 23:46 Sharrant wrote:
Fucking phone ate my post. Here we go again.
@SnB
I was very confident in my read on acro, but I'm not stupid. I used my claim to confirm we had the same thought process, we did. The lie was to cover my ass if he was mafia.
Why wouldn't he shoot me? It's likely that mafia have some sort of framing mechanic in play. If he could guide me to a framed target either:
A) I give a green check on a mafia and give him town cred and if he ever dies I likely get lynched immediately. No shot needed for my death and if I flip before the mafia he gets cred to last to lylo.
B) I give a red check on a townie. He gets lynched. I get lynched. Town Just lost two lynches, and scum are free to shoot whoever they please.
On top of that I have the ability to pm two other people. He has to assume I told them to lynch him if I was rb'ed or killed. (i didn't though, because if either of them were mafia it could get both of us killed if he's town and johnny or kush was scum. He would have had to gamble either way, but one is safer and has higher reward and that option is framing. I agree with this logic actually. Acro as scum wouldn't probably expect to be fooled with the check target (since you already told him you were a Cop) and it would be so much better to frame your target than kill you. In addition, if you told anyone else that you were going to tell Acro, it would cast too much doubt on Acro to kill you then (since there wouldn't really have been any other reason to kill you). yeah agreed this is a more decent reasoning than i'd expected. ofc if scum dont have a framer and acro is scum then you're dead. but that makes two "if your read/setup speculation is wrong" rather than one and i'm more comfortable with accepting this as town reasoning. lol, the whole thing Sharrant is saying relies on the fact that there is a framer, and you don't want to setup speculate??!?!?!? thats not what i said sharrant's thing relies on him thinking there was a framer. not that there actually was a framer. christ rayn use your head for once. think about something before you make a big deal about it. it was the same with your stupid attack on onegu right from the start, i'm almost starting to think there is something to you being scum.
Okay sorry. I totally misread your post.
And btw, my attack on Onegu was not stupid, he contradicted himself (in my mind). When he explained that i have never brought that up after. Because that's a null-tell and could have come from a townie.
Christ, why does everyone feel the need to discredit me for something i don't understand at the first place and because i want to question it?
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