EPTGoT Mafia: Lords and Liars - Page 138
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Dandel Ion
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On August 14 2013 20:50 Dandel Ion wrote: ps kirby is likely not scum or they would have never elected oberyn On August 10 2013 06:52 jrkirby wrote: Also, Onegu is probably the biggest reason why we elected Oberyn, so if one of them is scum, there's a decent chance the other is scum too. Did you read my post I made about this? | ||
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Xatalos
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Koshi
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Xatalos
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On August 14 2013 21:35 Koshi wrote: Xatalos Could you comment on kirby??? Why are you ignoring this? The PM land is truly wonderful and I've been lost in there for a while. If you read my filter it should be clear to you that jrkirby was radiating scum with his every post. That doesn't really take any more analysis. But what do you think of Mocsta? Has his play been scummy so far? I don't really think so, although I still want to lynch him for succeeding jrkirby. I'm waiting for Mocsta to really convince me or his head will roll regardless of appearing somewhat townish lately. | ||
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Vivax
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I think Risen brought up good points against him actually. Remember D1, he was more or less absent in the thread. His biggest peak in activity came up before the yammo lynch. Think about it. Onegu (fake-)claimed 1-shot-medic and Oats was unlimited medic. Sharrant claimed 1-shot-cop, allowing him to stay safe from being counterclaimed by a possible "permacop". I also want to point out some conclusions on him that aren't good reasons to assume he's town, Solstice said: sharrant -- he has done one thing I really like, and that is provide some insight into kush when we had literally nothing else to go off of. sharing this info I view as really pro-town as scum he coulda just kept his mouth shut and enjoyed him getting vigged without interfering in the least. This is an awful argument, defend a townie, defend a scumbuddy. It always gives scum something to talk about, and it doesn't hurt nor particularly benefit the target. What I find particularly concerning is that s0lstice is arguing from a point of view of someone thinking (or knowing) that kush is town, and uses that association to give Sharrant a townread, cause he possibly saved Kush from getting vigged? At the very least this is a very lacking reason to give somebody a townread. On August 14 2013 17:42 johnnywup wrote: Sorry my Internets being really dumb. mocsta, i had a post that I was going to post about why I thought risen/Koshi is scum, but it boils down to this: Sharrant has a good case on Koshi, I'll let him post it himself. Risen is trying to lynch the guy that gave us scum for free. It seems unlikely to be a bus to me because Yamato wasn't even really in the limelight and no one would give their scum buddy away when they're not even being scrutinized (I think..I've never played as scum). Like, sharrant is the one person who actually gave us scum on a platter, and risen wants to lynch him. What? And if any of you want to point out me agreeing with risens case, yes I changed my mind because I actually thought about it more and I liked it less and less. I'm pretty convinced sharrant is town. Disagree that first action would be to go to qt. what would that accomplish at all? If anything the fact he wasn't mod killed makes me think he's more likely scum because mods would be less likely to modkill scum. I know that's not a case but it's something to maybe consider. -> + Show Spoiler [Nope] + On August 10 2013 05:30 Acrofales wrote: Yamato: open his filter. There is nothing there. Would lynch. On August 10 2013 09:42 Vivax wrote: Of those available I endorse both a yammo and a johnnywup lynch. Oberyn's points from his pm traffic seem very strong and so far I don't recall yammo fighting back to those properly, which is not townie from someone I would expect to be more headstrong. Johnny is scummy for reasons that I hopefully clarified for everyone. On August 10 2013 12:16 s0Lstice wrote: scum [red]yamato[red] -- I see no interest in solving the game. In his few appearances, instead of actually maximizing his use of time, he has ranted and argued, in an effort to do...what exactly? There is no way as town he comes into the thread like that and expects to sway a lynch onto s&b. His behavior and attitude do not match reality. Also don't like how he was apparently a vegetable in n0 PMs. Scum. Kill. On August 11 2013 14:46 iamperfection wrote: because yamato bugged me more than acro On August 11 2013 14:56 Sharrant wrote: Pretty sure Yamato should be today's lynch. Iamp, Acrofales will PM you why when he's here, and you and the rest of the lords can get to lynching him. That being said, it reinforces my opinion that johnnywup is scum. He bases his townread on things that aren't even correct. That suggests to me that he's trying to find reason to show that he's correct, not that those are the reasons for why he thinks he's correct, cause had he looked at the facts properly, he would know he isn't. I'd expect someone to at least lean more scummy on people they didn't read properly, cause there's always the incertainty that someone could be scum. This is absent in johnny. _____________________________________________________________________________________________________ Getting back to Sharrant. On August 13 2013 12:21 Sharrant wrote: @risen Your paranoia is unwarranted and kind of hilarious. This seems like something you could get worked up about as town though. However my highlight of your case is easily (paraphrasing here): "my first reason for wanting to lynch sharrant is the same reasoning I had for lynching that townie. But this time it's right!" If you want to believe I'm mafia, you have to A) assume I started putting pressure on my scum buddy in post number one. B) assume kush is mafia and I defended him to start the game. Or: B) 2. Assume that I (as mafia) hard defended an easy mislynch of kush who had basically just thrown away a game that town had won and that I wouldn't want to lynch him on that reason alone. C) assume I continued to bring up yamato twice when un pressured. D) fake claim a cop check on yamato E) tried to not tell the thread about the cop check. F) decided not to take the time to gain town cred by waving my dick in his face when he came back to the thread. I think that's all there is to say about that, unless someone has some questions A) He didn't. Oatsmaster and Yamato's fight earlier was also cookie cutter from the last game I was in with them, however a few things stuck out to me as different about both of them in this case. I will be starting to read through their exchange again. Does anyone else have specific things they think I should read or that they want opinions on? He asked if we have questions to him, said he would comment on the exchange, but he never did. He went in depth about his read on Acrofales when I asked him about it, that's about it until the moment yamato gains heat. B) Win win for mafia. Kush at endgame is what they want, and he could still be scum. C) Nope, already pressured. D) Yeah, scum do that too. E) Two options here: Sharrant and acro are scum, or Acro is at least town (Else that night scum would have rbd Sharrant) but only if Sharrant is also town. Null if Sharrant is scum. I claimed my role to Acro last night (I'm a one shot alignment cop). I asked him who I should target with it, he said Kush and Yamato. Both players I had in mind originally. In case he was mafia I lied and said I would target Kush. He seems to have a double standard, doesn't explain how it's suspicious to him if I talk about my scumreads with my house members, doesn't consider that it was mainly during the night. He didn't even process that information, he's just trying to throw some shit now that I'm being considered for lynching. Vivax never openly expressed his thoughts on Yamato (If I'm recalling correctly), but did so in PMs, this is suspicious to me. F) It would have been scummy from you to start acting all serious in front of a guy who claimed scum openly. But thanks for doing nothing, very townie. I suppose you were around while yammo was spamming his trash? | ||
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Vivax
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I think snb might actually be town because I had this exact same thought (although less fleshed out) just a bit earlier. Risen's first post was so bad and yet so much effort was put in it. After that... Almost nothing. No follow-up to his first post or anything. No pushing his reads. There's a clear difference between the effort in his first post and everything after that. Give me an updated bullet list of your points against him please, there's much more to go with than just the quantity of his posts in the beginning. While you're at it, give me a reason for me being scum that hasn't to do with activity, cause that's probably the reason 99 % in here have for thinking I'm scum. You're just skating by and targeting popular lynch targets, the latest case you wrote was on jkirby, and that was upon Acrofales' request. | ||
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Koshi
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On August 14 2013 18:42 Mocsta wrote: koshi, that's so so Wong on so many levels. why? 1. why does a list post with yam at the bottom prove me scum? lol, so town can't have town reads on scum? is this what you are saying? if so, we should have lynched oats if he was alive. 2.why is asking a question about HP, alignment indicative? 3. clarity already nailed my summary post and why your interpretation appears far fetched. this is why ver caught you koshi. nothing to do with actions or questions, but rather motive and intent. instead of trying to understand why someone is doing something, you are looking for non-kosher actions and trying to spin them as scummily as you can. its why I read you as scum early game and quickly coming back to the same realisation. Not fucking only does he says that jrkirby his posting is not scummy at all. He calls me scum (I was null before) for not seeing that kirby was obvious town. On August 14 2013 20:34 Mocsta wrote: hmmm.. we are in a tough predicament as there is an abundance of choice for the lynch me thinks. Contenders (1) Koshi: His points on me feel as forced as with Oats, however, for some reason he has really dialed up the tryhard factor. & (2) Risen: 'Nuff said. Awaiting More Info (1) Solstice: Need this guy to respond & (2) Chromatically: Everyone keeps saying he is town based on PMs... I want to hear him respond before giving that any credence. & (3) Rayn: Like Koshi, is going out of his way to throw tarnish my reputation this game (sullied by my former, kirby) =============== Xatalos, I might post the pms I had with Oberyn (paraphrased blah blah), where we discuss Iamp a bit later on. Hopefully that will settle any lingering doubt. BAM. Koshi or Risen. Because jrkirby was obv town guys! On August 14 2013 15:08 Mocsta wrote: Last I checjed. U r not lord. Chromatically >>> vivax Ok this last quote is nitpicking. But where does Mocsta get the fucking authority to shush Rayn???? Mocsta isn't even fucking a Lord himself. LIKE WTF? Also read how Mocsta discribes rayn in his list, can you be more wishy-washy? | ||
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Vivax
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Comments on Sharrant please. I also want to add that Sharrant's roleblock claim should be treated as null. If he's scum he will know that it would look odd if a claimed cop doesn't get roleblocked. | ||
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Mocsta
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(1) Regarding Iamperfection. So what if I had a scum read on him. Whether you agreed or disagreed with that read, doesn't make me scum. You have shown signs of a clear head throughout the game, so I expect more from you. Anyways What I wrote to Oberyn was: can I have a read on iamp pls. he's playing very different to what I associate of him. nothing is scummy, but, hes trying to be a leader by involving people. normally he is like dandel and just says I'm right, your wrong. To which he replied (paraphrased) I agree about iamp. He blocked my yamato suspicion because of lurkers with little posts. He also wanted Ace out of the game. His read of Iamperfection wasn't as strong as mine, but he said he was willing to follow up heavy pressure with him this cycle. Obviously he can't do this. My point is: iamp wasn't as clearly town as you think; hence, me thinking he was scum, is not alignment indicative. ======================= My issue with Chromatically is as I said in my read.
Before chastising him further I wanted to give him a chance to talk. ======================= Anyways, thers been a lot of complaints about jrkirby filter, so i decided to read it. I dont get what all the hoo-hah is about. Yes, he is not a prime example of how to be a town leader Yes, I don't agree with the logic behind his reads HOWEVER. Yes, his posts have a bluntness about them that most importantly, feel sincere. Since when does being wrong, make you scum.. TIP.. it never has, and never will. What makes you scum, is how you going about being wrong. In this regard, jrkirby has not been involved in foul play. jrkirby is lynchbait, and the type of filter scum love to pick on. Cos usually the guys can't defend themselves either. | ||
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Mocsta
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To be honest, Im too tired to read the sharrant stuff. I promise will give it a full pass over when i wake up. In the mean time what I would like you to address is: You have expressed much grievance about Koshis play since Day1. (1) Has he satisfied your inqueries? If so, why; or why not. (2) How have his posting since my entry into the game affected your read of him. (3) If you havn't commented, I would be keen to hear what you have to say about Clarity points on Sol. Thanks Vivax. | ||
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Koshi
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On August 14 2013 22:42 Vivax wrote: Koshi, can you post a more concise line of reasoning for Mocsta being scum? I don't really see a logic for that behind your posts, it's more like you're antagonizing him. Comments on Sharrant please. I also want to add that Sharrant's roleblock claim should be treated as null. If he's scum he will know that it would look odd if a claimed cop doesn't get roleblocked. 1) Nope, I am not antagonizing him. jrkirby his posting was obvious scum and the fact that Mocsta is a firm believer that jrkirby his posting was town is actually the prove that Mocsta is scum. 2) Risen his case on Sharrant was already perfect. The way how Sharrant entered the thread after Acro revealed him is enough. | ||
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Vivax
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On August 14 2013 22:55 Koshi wrote: 1) Nope, I am not antagonizing him. jrkirby his posting was obvious scum and the fact that Mocsta is a firm believer that jrkirby his posting was town is actually the prove that Mocsta is scum. 2) Risen his case on Sharrant was already perfect. The way how Sharrant entered the thread after Acro revealed him is enough. If Mocsta is town he will obviously believe that his predecessor was town. Is he scum cause he thinks that his predecessor isn't scum? The fuck? | ||
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Onegu
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I buy the sharrant claim for now. SnB needs to come back he made a few good posts but it was after he started getting heat, and now he has dissapeared again. Will filter dive a ew people after my kids sleep. | ||
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Vivax
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On August 14 2013 23:01 Onegu wrote: Guys go read bluelightz mafia and jrkirbys filter, it is almost the exact same play he was town. I buy the sharrant claim for now. SnB needs to come back he made a few good posts but it was after he started getting heat, and now he has dissapeared again. Will filter dive a ew people after my kids sleep. What makes you think Sharrant is town? | ||
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Dandel Ion
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