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On August 15 2013 02:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 01:58 Vivax wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On August 15 2013 01:53 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 01:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You have been bringing up these "fruitless details" for a long time. can you now explain what do you mean by them so i could... you know... answer you? Well, it seems like I've underestimated your focus on relevant stuff. Although there are some things that don't feel good. For example this from iamperfection after D2 about you: "Asked some pointless questions to me wasting time and therefore posting without a point" Not sure if that means PMs or in thread. I can't seem to find this in thread now. Either way, not good. Then there was that huge spam about the role name thing D1. Pretty ridiculous and buried potentially useful posts. Also quite a lot of spam during D2 like "What's up, X?" or "What did you mean with this?". But as I said, I take back that you focused THAT much on useless stuff. More like there's a decent amount of useless, but more relevant posts than I thought. Did you even read Rayn's last town game? I thought he was mafia in obs qt, he's just like that. Him and his love for single malt, I suspect. He's lurky as fuck when he's scum, there's no fucking way he's scum in this game with his current activity. You're waaay more useless, you still didn't answer my question and prefer to post LOL and ROFL. Shouldn't you be some more interested into talking with your scumread? This is plain wrong btw.
Indeed. Buddying up? Or what? rayn is never lurky. At least looking at NWM, Titanic and Catch 22, he was always spammy and active as scum or town. What I'm trying to distinguish is townish activity and scummy activity. He's going to be active regardless.
On August 15 2013 01:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 01:55 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 01:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And why the fuck does Xatalos dodge my questions about Mocsta and me/Acro stuff every time i ask him. What do you mean? What haven't I answered? Give me a full answer on Mocsta case, and give me an answer why did you call me out with your scumread Acro for bullshit reasoning "you have focused on all the wrong things all the game".
I've explained why I went along with Acro in detail already. It had to do with my increasing townread on Acro, my bad gut feeling regarding you, your useless spam posts and me believing that one of you (rayn, Acro) was probably scum (I'm not as sure about that one anymore). Go read my filter please, it should be clear at this point.
Onwards to the Mocsta case.
- I agree that jrkirby was scummy
- You twist some of what Mocsta said... He didn't say "Sharrant isn't playing his town meta and thus is town", he said several points and counter-points and concluded town... Dunno about the lynchbait thing
- At least iamperfection has said that he has a townread on you in PMs, your terrible early game might refer to your spam about the rolename thing, "forced aggression" might also mean the useless spam, lastly hard to talk about a game I haven't played in (and meta shouldn't be overused)
Overall I'd say Mocsta is slightly scummy (counting jrkirby's scumminess), and a pretty reasonable lynch, but he has been very active today and I'd like to give him a bit more time (like I said earlier).
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Assumption: It's d4 after a Sharrant lynch and he flipped blue. Sharrant isn't scum and all the random shit he has posted is true and he's a horrible player who trusted Acro then admitted to the thread openly how bad a player he was and how illogical a thinker he is. I can work with this. I'm always talking about how people don't always act logically from your perspective.
Assumption holds true: Find the people defending Sharrant the hardest just like I defended blue VE during a d1 lynch when I was scum.
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On August 15 2013 02:25 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 02:22 Acrofales wrote:On August 15 2013 01:15 Risen wrote:
So we have a claimed cop who didn't die last night with a red check on the clear lynch candidate for d2. Has anyone thought why there would be a one shot cop in this game when there's so many people? There isn't.
This is so simple a lynch. I told him in private that if he wasn't roleblocked or killed, he was scum. He has claimed roleblocked. I don't see a third roleblocked claim. The way the roleblock claims have worked out, it seems unlikely they are fake and it seems unlikely a town JK blocked him. So he was blocked by scum. Seems legit to me. +1 Also, ##Unvote
Never seen scum roleblockers withhold their RB and let their teammates claim it?
+ Show Spoiler +
You have no way of knowing if the roleblock was fake.
Explain why it's unlikely that they are, or why it shouldn't have been a JK.
You should go with what's in the thread.
Sharrant doesn't post the stuff he should post, if he was town, this is like my third or fourth game with him, and I know how he plays town, this isn't it.
But keep thinking that scum never busses like that, that's what they want.
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Fuck it. I'll just say it out loud.
The reason i agreed Risen being a lord on D2 was because i wanted to find more about him. What he would do as a lord and would his play be infected by him being a lord. It was not, he was pushing his own shit, not letting people affect on his thoughts. Town.
On N2 i felt like Lords on D2 were shit because of what i talked with Risen (they apparently couldn't consolidate on a target list for house KP). for this reason, and because my play lacks as i can't play to my fullest (lack of PM partners) i wanted to be lord for D3.
Risen promised me he would paraphrase his PM's with other lords. He has done so. He is also trying to figure out stuff and i do actually agree with him on a lot of stuff.
Now get your voted off him and vote for someone who is actually scum.
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sucks that this thread seems to be most active when I am sleeping or working.
Clarity brought up that thing on me backing off Acro. My problem with him was the way he handled his reads on rayn and oats. I saw inconsistencies and soft pushing and it irked me. On Day 2, Acro presented his case on Rayn. I didn't agree with his conclusion, but it was clear that he was doing due diligence on the read i.e. considering all info, adapting it to his view, and vetting some parts of it earlier with questions. Also on Day 2...Acro has to defend himself from half the thread. Along with these two things, he is still being active in PMs, and they were satisfactorily town according to iamp. All these things, all this shit flying his way, all these balls in the air, and he still did not forget to do something with his Oats read. I don't care so much that him talking to Oats was unproductive, I care that he talked to Oats AT ALL when it would have been very easy to succumb to the weight of the other things he was getting into that day.
So it's like I said. I believe that he believed that Rayn and Oats were mafia i.e. his reads were not a pretext.
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-Risen has ONE reason for his STRONG scumread on Vivax
-the reason does NOT apply to Vivax
-the reason applies better to others, but Risen has no problem with them
where is the town?
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On August 15 2013 02:39 Chromatically wrote:
-Risen has ONE reason for his STRONG scumread on Vivax
-the reason does NOT apply to Vivax
-the reason applies better to others, but Risen has no problem with them
where is the town?
Perhaps I've moved on to tunneling other people? Why are you so fixated on this?
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That was directed at both Acro and clarity.
I'd also like to point out to the thread that Xatalos keeps ignoring his scumreads' questions.
I'm starting to think that he might be very active scum.
All evidence you need is the development of his scumread on Risen.
He keeps saying that he's wrong with his reads.
Then he gives him a townread.
Later, when half the thread starts talking about lynching Risen, he uses Risens wrongness as argument for him being scum, when we can be sure that he already had processed it and still read him as town.
Ggnore, scum making up shit.
You could also keep thinking that activity=town. Go read Noir Mini I and be proven wrong.
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On August 15 2013 02:31 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 02:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 15 2013 01:58 Vivax wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On August 15 2013 01:53 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 01:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You have been bringing up these "fruitless details" for a long time. can you now explain what do you mean by them so i could... you know... answer you? Well, it seems like I've underestimated your focus on relevant stuff. Although there are some things that don't feel good. For example this from iamperfection after D2 about you: "Asked some pointless questions to me wasting time and therefore posting without a point" Not sure if that means PMs or in thread. I can't seem to find this in thread now. Either way, not good. Then there was that huge spam about the role name thing D1. Pretty ridiculous and buried potentially useful posts. Also quite a lot of spam during D2 like "What's up, X?" or "What did you mean with this?". But as I said, I take back that you focused THAT much on useless stuff. More like there's a decent amount of useless, but more relevant posts than I thought. Did you even read Rayn's last town game? I thought he was mafia in obs qt, he's just like that. Him and his love for single malt, I suspect. He's lurky as fuck when he's scum, there's no fucking way he's scum in this game with his current activity. You're waaay more useless, you still didn't answer my question and prefer to post LOL and ROFL. Shouldn't you be some more interested into talking with your scumread? This is plain wrong btw. Indeed. Buddying up? Or what? rayn is never lurky. At least looking at NWM, Titanic and Catch 22, he was always spammy and active as scum or town. What I'm trying to distinguish is townish activity and scummy activity. He's going to be active regardless. Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 01:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 15 2013 01:55 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 01:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And why the fuck does Xatalos dodge my questions about Mocsta and me/Acro stuff every time i ask him. What do you mean? What haven't I answered? Give me a full answer on Mocsta case, and give me an answer why did you call me out with your scumread Acro for bullshit reasoning "you have focused on all the wrong things all the game". I've explained why I went along with Acro in detail already. It had to do with my increasing townread on Acro, my bad gut feeling regarding you, your useless spam posts and me believing that one of you (rayn, Acro) was probably scum (I'm not as sure about that one anymore). Go read my filter please, it should be clear at this point. Onwards to the Mocsta case. - I agree that jrkirby was scummy - You twist some of what Mocsta said... He didn't say "Sharrant isn't playing his town meta and thus is town", he said several points and counter-points and concluded town... Dunno about the lynchbait thing - At least iamperfection has said that he has a townread on you in PMs, your terrible early game might refer to your spam about the rolename thing, "forced aggression" might also mean the useless spam, lastly hard to talk about a game I haven't played in (and meta shouldn't be overused) Overall I'd say Mocsta is slightly scummy (counting jrkirby's scumminess), and a pretty reasonable lynch, but he has been very active today and I'd like to give him a bit more time (like I said earlier).
- Your posts before Acro's case imply that he is your scumread. Tell me when did you drop your suspicion on him.
- Explain this: "He didn't say "Sharrant isn't playing his town meta and thus is town", he said several points and counter-points and concluded town... " because that's exactly what Mocsta said. If not, why did you not say this in the first place?
- About the rolename thing (is this all you are going to bring up - i thought you had more things as you implied so). I talked about it with Solstice, i do not agree with him, and i think it's not alignment indicative. I am not calling johnny scum because of it, I AM SAYING HE IS NOT TOWN BECAUSE OF IT!!!! wtf?
- You didn't explain the "forced aggression", where is it? Gimme quotes?
You are calling me scum for things you don't even know what they mean. Do you see how retarded that is?
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On August 15 2013 02:42 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 02:39 Chromatically wrote:
-Risen has ONE reason for his STRONG scumread on Vivax
-the reason does NOT apply to Vivax
-the reason applies better to others, but Risen has no problem with them
where is the town? Perhaps I've moved on to tunneling other people? Why are you so fixated on this?
Because it makes zero sense whatsoever from a town perspective?
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Vivax looking good.
Here is a summation of Xatalos' game
guy -- Xata I have a time bomb wrapped in a shiny box to sell you
Xata -- Hmm, I dunno, I don't like bombs.
guy -- ....but it's shiny
Xata -- Hmm, actually you're right it is shiny. Sold.
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Vivax why did you say i am lurky as mafia?
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On August 15 2013 02:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax why did you say i am lurky as mafia?
Eduardo Nbobo
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On August 15 2013 02:34 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 02:25 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 15 2013 02:22 Acrofales wrote:On August 15 2013 01:15 Risen wrote:
So we have a claimed cop who didn't die last night with a red check on the clear lynch candidate for d2. Has anyone thought why there would be a one shot cop in this game when there's so many people? There isn't.
This is so simple a lynch. I told him in private that if he wasn't roleblocked or killed, he was scum. He has claimed roleblocked. I don't see a third roleblocked claim. The way the roleblock claims have worked out, it seems unlikely they are fake and it seems unlikely a town JK blocked him. So he was blocked by scum. Seems legit to me. +1 Also, ##Unvote Never seen scum roleblockers withhold their RB and let their teammates claim it? + Show Spoiler +You have no way of knowing if the roleblock was fake. Explain why it's unlikely that they are, or why it shouldn't have been a JK. You should go with what's in the thread. Sharrant doesn't post the stuff he should post, if he was town, this is like my third or fourth game with him, and I know how he plays town, this isn't it. But keep thinking that scum never busses like that, that's what they want.
Ofcourse I've seen it. When Acro says unlikely he means exactly that, unlikely.
Could sharrant be scum? Yeah. Is he scum? Dunno, probably not.
Should we lynch him today? NO WTF WHAT A DUMBASS QUESTION
If he's scum they have to continue withholding roleblocks, there's like 4 or 5 more scum most likely, why lynch the cop who gave us a redcheck that turned out to be right?
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On August 15 2013 02:49 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 02:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax why did you say i am lurky as mafia? Eduardo Nbobo
So you just looked at one game? Why?
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On August 15 2013 02:46 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 02:42 Risen wrote:On August 15 2013 02:39 Chromatically wrote:
-Risen has ONE reason for his STRONG scumread on Vivax
-the reason does NOT apply to Vivax
-the reason applies better to others, but Risen has no problem with them
where is the town? Perhaps I've moved on to tunneling other people? Why are you so fixated on this? Because it makes zero sense whatsoever from a town perspective?
Why not? I had scum reads, they weren't exactly strong, but they were scum reads. I moved on because I found something else, and now I've moved on because I've once again found something else.
The end.
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On August 15 2013 02:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 02:49 Vivax wrote:On August 15 2013 02:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax why did you say i am lurky as mafia? Eduardo Nbobo So you just looked at one game? Why?
If you remember i specifically told in scumchat that i am not able to be active...
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On August 15 2013 02:50 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 02:34 Vivax wrote:On August 15 2013 02:25 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 15 2013 02:22 Acrofales wrote:On August 15 2013 01:15 Risen wrote:
So we have a claimed cop who didn't die last night with a red check on the clear lynch candidate for d2. Has anyone thought why there would be a one shot cop in this game when there's so many people? There isn't.
This is so simple a lynch. I told him in private that if he wasn't roleblocked or killed, he was scum. He has claimed roleblocked. I don't see a third roleblocked claim. The way the roleblock claims have worked out, it seems unlikely they are fake and it seems unlikely a town JK blocked him. So he was blocked by scum. Seems legit to me. +1 Also, ##Unvote Never seen scum roleblockers withhold their RB and let their teammates claim it? + Show Spoiler +You have no way of knowing if the roleblock was fake. Explain why it's unlikely that they are, or why it shouldn't have been a JK. You should go with what's in the thread. Sharrant doesn't post the stuff he should post, if he was town, this is like my third or fourth game with him, and I know how he plays town, this isn't it. But keep thinking that scum never busses like that, that's what they want. Ofcourse I've seen it. When Acro says unlikely he means exactly that, unlikely. Could sharrant be scum? Yeah. Is he scum? Dunno, probably not. Should we lynch him today? NO WTF WHAT A DUMBASS QUESTION If he's scum they have to continue withholding roleblocks, there's like 4 or 5 more scum most likely, why lynch the cop who gave us a redcheck that turned out to be right?
That's actually fine reasoning for not lynching him, unless he's a roleblocker ofc, then it's not.
If you don't want to lynch him then you should at least look at those who defend him with flimsy reasoning, either cause they're scum knowing he's town or cause they're scumbuddies.
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On August 15 2013 02:50 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 02:34 Vivax wrote:On August 15 2013 02:25 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 15 2013 02:22 Acrofales wrote:On August 15 2013 01:15 Risen wrote:
So we have a claimed cop who didn't die last night with a red check on the clear lynch candidate for d2. Has anyone thought why there would be a one shot cop in this game when there's so many people? There isn't.
This is so simple a lynch. I told him in private that if he wasn't roleblocked or killed, he was scum. He has claimed roleblocked. I don't see a third roleblocked claim. The way the roleblock claims have worked out, it seems unlikely they are fake and it seems unlikely a town JK blocked him. So he was blocked by scum. Seems legit to me. +1 Also, ##Unvote Never seen scum roleblockers withhold their RB and let their teammates claim it? + Show Spoiler +You have no way of knowing if the roleblock was fake. Explain why it's unlikely that they are, or why it shouldn't have been a JK. You should go with what's in the thread. Sharrant doesn't post the stuff he should post, if he was town, this is like my third or fourth game with him, and I know how he plays town, this isn't it. But keep thinking that scum never busses like that, that's what they want. Ofcourse I've seen it. When Acro says unlikely he means exactly that, unlikely. Could sharrant be scum? Yeah. Is he scum? Dunno, probably not. Should we lynch him today? NO WTF WHAT A DUMBASS QUESTION If he's scum they have to continue withholding roleblocks, there's like 4 or 5 more scum most likely, why lynch the cop who gave us a redcheck that turned out to be right?
The clear answer is that you lynch scum whenever you find them. But if you're unwilling, how about we lynch acro, then when he flips red we shoot sharrant.
##unvote
##vote: Acrofales
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On August 15 2013 02:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 02:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 15 2013 02:49 Vivax wrote:On August 15 2013 02:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax why did you say i am lurky as mafia? Eduardo Nbobo So you just looked at one game? Why? If you remember i specifically told in scumchat that i am not able to be active...
I don't care, I don't think you're scum.
Do you want me to think you're scum?
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