EPTAs for why I stayed on Umasi earlier--we had 3? votes for him and there was no real consensus, I just didn't switch bc it to seemed silly to just keep throwing around the vote until we had decided who to knock out....is what it is, not much else I can say. Obviously you all will still be suspicious, not much else I can do besides playing well from here on out anyway....I'll go back through again and read the last pages, see what happened
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RDaneelOlivaw
Vatican City State732 Posts
As for why I stayed on Umasi earlier--we had 3? votes for him and there was no real consensus, I just didn't switch bc it to seemed silly to just keep throwing around the vote until we had decided who to knock out....is what it is, not much else I can say. Obviously you all will still be suspicious, not much else I can do besides playing well from here on out anyway....I'll go back through again and read the last pages, see what happened | ||
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DeusXmachina
United States333 Posts
On August 05 2013 07:18 RDaneelOlivaw wrote: FUCK. I was at the card shop for a magic sealed event and my phone died, which is why I couldn't switch when we went for gotard. Sorry guys, yes that looks scummy as hell. As for why I stayed on Umasi earlier--we had 3? votes for him and there was no real consensus, I just didn't switch bc it to seemed silly to just keep throwing around the vote until we had decided who to knock out....is what it is, not much else I can say. Obviously you all will still be suspicious, not much else I can do besides playing well from here on out anyway....I'll go back through again and read the last pages, see what happened You should try and make a good case against Zyrre. | ||
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RDaneelOlivaw
Vatican City State732 Posts
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StiMaDDict
Korea (South)313 Posts
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Alakaslam
United States17322 Posts
On August 05 2013 08:34 StiMaDDict wrote: Seems like I made it in time.. Yes, indeed you did. Sup musketeer? If you believe me anyway. Today, since it is night, don't say much more. But post your reads in case you die tonight, tomorrow around 08:00 GMT (+00:00) | ||
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StiMaDDict
Korea (South)313 Posts
On August 05 2013 08:57 Alakaslam wrote: Yes, indeed you did. Sup musketeer? If you believe me anyway. Today, since it is night, don't say much more. But post your reads in case you die tonight, tomorrow around 08:00 GMT (+00:00) Roger. | ||
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Nightcat99
United States239 Posts
but things turn out well atleast, i will go reread everything. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17322 Posts
On August 05 2013 09:12 Nightcat99 wrote: Crap sorry i had a busy day, barely manage to vote and then forgot to put on voting threat, and got call noob by the all mighty.... but things turn out well atleast, i will go reread everything. Quite the task. | ||
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Nightcat99
United States239 Posts
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Alakaslam
United States17322 Posts
On August 05 2013 10:35 Nightcat99 wrote: i know, almost screwed everything, i would have hated to get modkill for being stupid. ? | ||
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Nightcat99
United States239 Posts
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DeusXmachina
United States333 Posts
Zyrre I am extremely suspicious of Zyrre because... His Mentatlity: This is my interpretation of Zyrre's mentality throughout this game. I aim to prove he is thinking like a mafioso. In a way this serves as an introduction to the topics that follow. Starting here. This is Zyrre's first significant post. It seems like he wants to get in on the reps discussion without having to contribute much. Currently there is 1 vote against reps, things are still undecided, and Zyrre takes a relatively strong stance against him. He says, "seems very scummy to me, confused to bad townie at best". Furthermore, he discusses 3 other people in the post, but comes to useless conclusions on them. I interpret this as a way for him to blend in. Furthermore, this post coupled with later posts hints at his agenda. Moving on. This is his next significant post here. Notice the consistency. Light suspicion on Umasi and a scum read on Reps. Seems like he is pushing an agenda. Also he decides to hold off on voting against reps until he hears from other people (don't know how to interpret that right now). He follows up with a useless 3 posts in an effort to contribute. Next substantial post here. This is a great post for interpretation purposes. Notice how he tries to draw attention away from scam (a confirmed mafioso). Furthermore, he starts to target infii (pretty much confirmed town). Stays consistent on reps stance. Stays consistent on Umasi suspicion. Furthermore, he doesn't target me because he is taking a similar stance against Reps. This post is followed by a ton of useless ones. He never expresses real concern for scam. He has not been right with his suspicions at all at this point, and his reasons for suspecting people are garbage. What happened after the reps lynch? I come under light suspicion. Zyrre uses this opportunity to make a stance against me here. At this point he has aimed no suspicion at Gotard and Scam (his scum buddies). To me this really seems like he is pushing an agenda. A huge part of this post is devoted to calling me scum because I defend Umasi. He never expresses solid reasons on why he thinks Umasi is scum, rather he simply jumps on the bandwagon. At this point I believe he aims to cause a little chaos by trying to provide a potential lynch target to distract from the attention on Gotard. He covers himself on Umasi so that he can switch if he wants and avoid suspicion. A lot more crappy posts leading up to the lynch. Again, notice how consistent he is. Even after vote switching Umasi he still pressures me. His reasons for suspecting me and Umasi are absolute shit, but he wants to secure a Umasi lynch. Absolutely no comments on Gotard or Scam at this point. Look at some of the posts pre lynch when he talks to Gotard asking him to switch his vote to Umasi. Seems really fake to me but maybe I am over analyzing things. OK things are getting good. He becomes oddly quiet with about an hour left till lynch. At this point I start pressuring him hard for a vote against Gotard and he is SOOOOO RESISTENT. Everyone who shares my suspicion should read all of those posts pre-lynch. I ask him why he won't vote against Gotard and he gives a HORRIBLE reason. He doesn't vote switch Gotard until the last fucking minute. Tries to save himself at this point. Shortly after lynch he starts defending himself starting [b]here. This is a defense in disguise. He tries to show his willingness to contribute by immediately posting two additional scum reads. LOL. Everyone is simmering down from the Gotard lynch except Zyrre. This is getting pretty long. That is not really what I had in mind for the first big paragraph, but I am short on time. Sorry I could not do a more in-depth read. Moving on. Also, I apologize for the spelling and grammar mistakes. I did not proof this. Behavior during the Reps lynch: Extremely consistent on his opinion against reps. Votes against the main lynch target much earlier. Lightly places suspicion on others but doesn't really deviate his focus much from reps. Behavior during the Gotard lynch: Completely different. His fellow scum is being lynched so he focus on others. Tries to draw attention away from the Gotard lynch. Does not focus on the main lynch target, rather focuses on candidates that are in no danger of being lynched. He is trying to get a no-lynch at this point, and we come dangerously close. Pushing an agenda: Zyrre is very consistent on his targets. Suspected Umasi early and pressed him right up until the Gotard lynch. Doesn't focus any of his attention on Gotard or Scam. Plays on the infii suspicion. Plays on the Deus suspicion. Definitely pushing an agenda. Blending in: Lurks at the beginning. Chimes in on the reps debate but offers nothing new. Contributes nothing to the Umasi debate. Very low key until he takes a stance against me. Contributed a shit ton more in day 2 when his buddy was in danger of being lynched. Nighcat and RDO. Both have not been very active although RDO has been making an attempt. I am not super suspicious of RDO because Gotard tried to target him. At one point in time RDO, Gotard, and Zyrre were the votes against Umasi, and then Gotard votes RDO saying he was checked and returned scum? Nope, Why would he target a fellow scum like that? He just as easily could have said he target me and I was scum. I don't think RDO is scum. Nightcat could possibly be scum although he voted against Gotard pretty definitively. I think it is also unlikely. However, RDO and Night could be using some bizarre tactics so it is worth looking into them. Sorry if that was a little unclear. [b]Favorites for lynching day 3: In order 1: Zyrre 2. Nightcat99 3. RDO I plan on exploring all 3 candidates more extensively if I live. | ||
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Umasi
United States1399 Posts
On August 05 2013 01:38 Zyrre wrote: Calling all townies, less then 3.5hours left until lynch We need EVERYONE to vote on the same person, at this time most of us seem to agree on Umasi. ##unvote DeusXmachina ##vote Umasi My suspicion for third member of scum team is also Alakaslam. Due to his very weak suspicions of Umasi (similar to DeusX, explained in my wall of text) and then switching to Gotard, together with Umasi, stating only "I dont like who is voting on the same person as me". When I called on people to vote Umasi or convince me of Gotard in my last post he instead called me scummy, stated his vote was set and went afk. Not very strong implications on their own, if Umasi flips red I would guess him though. We will have to see. This post made me reconsider my read on zyrre. Mainly because, most people at the time were saying "gotard has no defense, Umasi's is good." So I don't know why you felt I was the more agreed upon target. Motivation for this of course is obvious, it grabs the idea of town consensus and calls for the vote on me to attempt to save gotard. Hell, why did you call for us so hard to consolidate and then NOT CONSOLIDATE? Gonna entirely flip flop my stance on him, I think Zyrre is the last scum. gonna bold that for emphasis WHY DID YOU CALL FOR US TO CONSOLIDATE AND THEN RESIST FOR SO LONG, WHEN WE NEEDED EVERYBODY TO VOTE FOR THE SAME PERSON his deus post On August 04 2013 04:45 Zyrre wrote: Let's talk about DeusXmachina: While his day 1 strategy might seem a bit risky as a whole. Consider that he could have changed his mind many times throughout. Since most people agreed on reps being lynched, he could simply carry on. His inital reasons however, were very weak and almost nonsensical. reps said he was a newbie only twice after the game started. Might seem excessive but hardly a sure sign of scum as he claims. He also said this: #1 Simply not true. He said it once. #2 Effectivly saying "I'm not maffia" in the bolded paragraph. He says he went after him aggressive very early simply for pressure, but he was VERY insistant on lynching him later in day 1.#3 He continually says it's ok if reps is town.#4 That was part of his response when someone called him suspicious on day1, why would a town ever say that? Seems like that should only come from a rushed scum response to me.#5 POST reps lynching Says he got what WE wanted (obv we didnt want him to flip town). Says he will spending a lot of time looking at Umasi (he doesnt, more on that later).#6 I should probably ease up on the quoting since this is getting LONG. He spends 10 posts defending umasi, claiming his vote switch was a town move. Remember this post? So apparently it makes Alakaslam look scummy but not Umasi.#7 Remember his claims of umasai being somewhat scummy? He said he would take a good look at him later. With a single quote from a mafia guide he simplay abandoned that: "On the survival side, mafia generally try to blend in. The easiest job for the mafia is when they get to sit and watch the town kill themselves, as townies have a natural inclination to kill people who stick out in the crowd." - A General Guide To Mafia by Incognito. Conviniently this quote also says he himself is not scum. So he gives up on Umasi and tries to push RDO instead, who is voting for Umasi this day. Summary: I now firmly believe DeusX and Umasi are scum. I will throw my vote on DeusX since that is my most firm belief, can consolidate to Umasi later if need be for lynch since thats almost a guarantee if I'm right anyway. ##vote DeusXmachina Should be a fun read later tonight  going to address these, bolded his responses and numbered them. #1: he defends reps as town #2: he defends reps as town #3: zyrre, why is what he said there incriminating? #4: he's misguided in what he thinks is the correct thing to do, it's not actually scummy that he was okay with lynching reps if he thought he was a liability, since his main reason for voting him the entire time was "reps is scum". #5: saying that is not scummy, it's null, yet you nitpick it. you nitpick him for a lot of shit when you should really just look at the entire picture and say "wow his aggression early game was pretty townie because he threw himself in there so hard and basically generated all of the discussion" #6: We actually talk to each other a bit during the night (if memory serves), and when he says "looking at umasi" that doesn't mean he actually thought I was scummy, in fact, his actions (defending me so hard) point to the contrary. #7: I don't know what you are even trying to make of this your points on him are weak and nitpicky. The reason all of this matters is this: On August 05 2013 04:27 Zyrre wrote: Infii, I assume you are seeing this as defending Gotard rather then suspecting Deus/Usami. Consider the position the game was in: Gotard, Umasi and Scam all got votes early on. No one was seriously suspecting DeusX. Why would I go balls to the walls on him rather then try to shift the vote to an easier target? You would go onto deus to keep yourself A: split from gotard and B: try to draw pressure away from the lynch on gotard. these two points (reasoning for voting deus (ie it's really really bad and nitpicky)) and your reluctance to vote switch onto gotard to secure the lynch make me think you are scum. You are, barring a good case by someone else that gets posted during the night, my number one target tomorrow. I'm /afk now | ||
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Nightcat99
United States239 Posts
I am grey hat, i shoot Zyraa tonight, if i die and the game isnt over lynch rdo. i think we win... | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/gGrurlj.jpg) Day 3 Zyrre the Hapless Peon is dead! Infii the /w [Name Here] is dead! Welcome to Day 3! This Day ends in ~48 hours at Wednesday, Aug 07 8:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) aka 20:00 GMT (+00:00). With 6 alive it takes 4 to lynch. | ||
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Nightcat99
United States239 Posts
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DeusXmachina
United States333 Posts
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Umasi
United States1399 Posts
I have stronger townreads on deus and slam, stim is confirmed town, nightcat is probably confirmed town, so he's the odd one out. Will go take a longer look though. | ||
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DeusXmachina
United States333 Posts
On August 06 2013 05:29 Umasi wrote: ##VOTE RDO I have stronger townreads on deus and slam, stim is confirmed town, nightcat is probably confirmed town, so he's the odd one out. Will go take a longer look though. I think it has got to be RDO man. Nightcat is 100 percent confirmed town. Both you and slam voted with infii pretty early on Gotard. You even seemed like you wanted a scam lynch at one point. RDO is the only one that didn't vote against Gotard. He was absent pre-lynch. He lurked hard at the beginning of the game. I think I over-thought my Zyrre read way to much. This seems simple though. It has got to be RDO. ##Vote RDaneelOlivaw | ||
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Umasi
United States1399 Posts
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