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On August 01 2013 23:45 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 23:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 01 2013 23:39 VayneAuthority wrote:On August 01 2013 23:37 hzflank wrote:On August 01 2013 23:35 VayneAuthority wrote: I still say there's a high chance JAT flips scum, He was also swept under the rug along with malongo. I knew there was something fishy about that and if im not dead tomorrow you can be dam sure ill be pushing a JAT lynch Why do you expect Rayn to keep feeding us cop checks when scum have a roleblocker? Whether he is scum or not, Rayn cannot cop check anyone unless we lynch the roleblocker. My scum team has been malongo/rayn/JAT/ Haven't revealed yet so Idk. The fact that we are potentially lacking a vig and doc actually helps rayn out a lot. I could kinda see a vet and 2 cop setup. If there is ever a vig shot or doctor save, lynch rayn immediately though We don´t have a vig or doc. You can be sure of that. The vig should have shot Malongo when you gave out the red check, and the doc should have docced Vivax N1 unless beyond retarded. 4 PR´s is pretty much not possible so if there is one of those roles then hz must somehow be lying, but i do not think that´s the case as his claim sounds so legit. To play devil's advocate, if you think two cops are possible then when I made that claim I could of thought 2 vets were possible. Two vets are a nightmare for mafia because that´s two people that are semi-confirmed and it takes mafia 4 nights to kill them.
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On August 01 2013 23:46 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 23:41 hzflank wrote: Okay Vayne, think about this:
Stutters said he thought that Malongo was scum. Stutters also said that if we mislynch D2 and a Janitor kills goes through we lose if Malongo and/or Oats are town because they will probably not be available to stop a last minute vote switch.
Why did Stutters not want to lynch Malongo D2? stutters would have had to change his play in advance knowing some one would look at his previous scum game. I guess that's possible but if he's scum he is the last place im looking atm.
Think about what I just said:
Stutters wants to lynch scum. Stutters thinks that FT and Mal are both scum.
Stutters thinks that if Mal is in fact town then he is a liability to town.
Why would Stutters push hard to lynch FT instead of Mal?
In Stutters mind: FT is likely scum. Mal is likely scum but if Mal is town then we are screwed.
If Stutters was telling the truth about his reads he should of preferred a Mal lynch, but he pushed FT lynch hard.
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EBWOP: Balancewise that´s really really improbable. Add a cop in there who can confirm those people and bam, mafia is screwed from the beginning.
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On August 01 2013 23:49 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 23:46 VayneAuthority wrote:On August 01 2013 23:41 hzflank wrote: Okay Vayne, think about this:
Stutters said he thought that Malongo was scum. Stutters also said that if we mislynch D2 and a Janitor kills goes through we lose if Malongo and/or Oats are town because they will probably not be available to stop a last minute vote switch.
Why did Stutters not want to lynch Malongo D2? stutters would have had to change his play in advance knowing some one would look at his previous scum game. I guess that's possible but if he's scum he is the last place im looking atm. Think about what I just said: Stutters wants to lynch scum. Stutters thinks that FT and Mal are both scum. Stutters thinks that if Mal is in fact town then he is a liability to town. Why would Stutters push hard to lynch FT instead of Mal? In Stutters mind: FT is likely scum. Mal is likely scum but if Mal is town then we are screwed. If Stutters was telling the truth about his reads he should of preferred a Mal lynch, but he pushed FT lynch hard. Because tbh, at least from my pov FT was like 1000x scummier than Malongo. I don´t lynch people for being useless and noone else should. They should lynch scum.
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On August 01 2013 23:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 23:49 hzflank wrote:On August 01 2013 23:46 VayneAuthority wrote:On August 01 2013 23:41 hzflank wrote: Okay Vayne, think about this:
Stutters said he thought that Malongo was scum. Stutters also said that if we mislynch D2 and a Janitor kills goes through we lose if Malongo and/or Oats are town because they will probably not be available to stop a last minute vote switch.
Why did Stutters not want to lynch Malongo D2? stutters would have had to change his play in advance knowing some one would look at his previous scum game. I guess that's possible but if he's scum he is the last place im looking atm. Think about what I just said: Stutters wants to lynch scum. Stutters thinks that FT and Mal are both scum. Stutters thinks that if Mal is in fact town then he is a liability to town. Why would Stutters push hard to lynch FT instead of Mal? In Stutters mind: FT is likely scum. Mal is likely scum but if Mal is town then we are screwed. If Stutters was telling the truth about his reads he should of preferred a Mal lynch, but he pushed FT lynch hard. Because tbh, at least from my pov FT was like 1000x scummier than Malongo. I don´t lynch people for being useless and noone else should. They should lynch scum.
I understand it from your perspective. You thought that Mal was not likely scum.
However, it is different from Stutters perspective as he thought that Mal was likely scum.
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On August 01 2013 23:49 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 23:46 VayneAuthority wrote:On August 01 2013 23:41 hzflank wrote: Okay Vayne, think about this:
Stutters said he thought that Malongo was scum. Stutters also said that if we mislynch D2 and a Janitor kills goes through we lose if Malongo and/or Oats are town because they will probably not be available to stop a last minute vote switch.
Why did Stutters not want to lynch Malongo D2? stutters would have had to change his play in advance knowing some one would look at his previous scum game. I guess that's possible but if he's scum he is the last place im looking atm. Think about what I just said: Stutters wants to lynch scum. Stutters thinks that FT and Mal are both scum. Stutters thinks that if Mal is in fact town then he is a liability to town. Why would Stutters push hard to lynch FT instead of Mal? In Stutters mind: FT is likely scum. Mal is likely scum but if Mal is town then we are screwed. If Stutters was telling the truth about his reads he should of preferred a Mal lynch, but he pushed FT lynch hard.
Town make logical blunders all the time, probably more then scum given most scum players revise a lot before posting.
Yea there's a chance he's scum but I'm not going to be pushing him tomorrow unless anything weird happens
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I´m off for an hour. cya later guys.
I´m gonna type a big post before the night ends although i am pretty sure XRZ gets killed and i am alive. Unless scum are gonna gamble on the janitor role if they have one.
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and it was a good lesson in why you don't let self-voters go punished. Don't think I forgot about anyone ad-hom attacking me yesterday when I was staying on him. You look suspicious as fuck. That's probably rayn's biggest scum trait right now
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On August 01 2013 23:53 VayneAuthority wrote: and it was a good lesson in why you don't let self-voters go punished. Don't think I forgot about anyone ad-hom attacking me yesterday when I was staying on him. You look suspicious as fuck. That's probably rayn's biggest scum trait right now
Working under the assumption that you didn't know it was majority lynch, yeah staying on him wasn't so bad. But it was majority lynch, and if we didn't have xrz with a redcheck on malongo you could have cost us the game. Anyway, postgame stuff.
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On August 01 2013 23:56 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 23:53 VayneAuthority wrote: and it was a good lesson in why you don't let self-voters go punished. Don't think I forgot about anyone ad-hom attacking me yesterday when I was staying on him. You look suspicious as fuck. That's probably rayn's biggest scum trait right now Working under the assumption that you didn't know it was majority lynch, yeah staying on him wasn't so bad. But it was majority lynch, and if we didn't have xrz with a redcheck on malongo you could have cost us the game. Anyway, postgame stuff.
pray tell how I am costing you the game when I was on a scum? and yes if he didn't have a red check all the people voting with potential scum on FT would have lost us the game. let's get that clear in hindsight.
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On August 01 2013 23:53 VayneAuthority wrote: and it was a good lesson in why you don't let self-voters go punished. Don't think I forgot about anyone ad-hom attacking me yesterday when I was staying on him. You look suspicious as fuck. That's probably rayn's biggest scum trait right now I was not attacking you. I was telling you you had not read the setup and i thought FT was more likely to be scum than Malongo. You were stubborn enough to stay on Malongo even when it was quite clear (before XRZ´s claim) that Malongo is not gonna get lynched and your stubborness would have made us no-lynch.
I have a green check on you, i have not attacked you in this game because i am 99% sure you are town, at least after N1.
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vayne let´s end this discussion, really.
We are town pretty sure and this is getting us nowhere. Nobody is accusing you ofg anything but not reading the OP and possibly causing a no-lynch which did not even happen. I am pretty sure both of us were right, because i think FT is mafia and i think there are no scum in FT wagon at that time.
We are good, we lynched scum, it´s no use to argue about that unless you think it somehow makes me/Clarity scum, which i don´t understand because you don´t know if FT is mafia or not for sure.
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On August 01 2013 23:57 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 23:56 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 01 2013 23:53 VayneAuthority wrote: and it was a good lesson in why you don't let self-voters go punished. Don't think I forgot about anyone ad-hom attacking me yesterday when I was staying on him. You look suspicious as fuck. That's probably rayn's biggest scum trait right now Working under the assumption that you didn't know it was majority lynch, yeah staying on him wasn't so bad. But it was majority lynch, and if we didn't have xrz with a redcheck on malongo you could have cost us the game. Anyway, postgame stuff. pray tell how I am costing you the game when I was on a scum? and yes if he didn't have a red check all the people voting with potential scum on FT would have lost us the game. let's get that clear in hindsight.
Implying FT is town, who were the scum on the FT wagon?
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On August 01 2013 23:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 23:35 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 01 2013 23:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 01 2013 23:31 Oatsmaster wrote: So lets say FT is town Rayn, how do your reads change? FT is scum so there is no need to discuss that. lol. Indulge me. There is no pre-flip association in my reads, so my reads won´t change a bit. JAT/Koshi come up after FT/you/Cora as scummiest. So the fact that i have been hard defending FT all game doesnt do anything for you if Im right?
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On August 02 2013 00:07 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 23:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 01 2013 23:35 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 01 2013 23:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 01 2013 23:31 Oatsmaster wrote: So lets say FT is town Rayn, how do your reads change? FT is scum so there is no need to discuss that. lol. Indulge me. There is no pre-flip association in my reads, so my reads won´t change a bit. JAT/Koshi come up after FT/you/Cora as scummiest. So the fact that i have been hard defending FT all game doesnt do anything for you if Im right? no
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On August 02 2013 00:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2013 00:07 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 01 2013 23:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 01 2013 23:35 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 01 2013 23:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 01 2013 23:31 Oatsmaster wrote: So lets say FT is town Rayn, how do your reads change? FT is scum so there is no need to discuss that. lol. Indulge me. There is no pre-flip association in my reads, so my reads won´t change a bit. JAT/Koshi come up after FT/you/Cora as scummiest. So the fact that i have been hard defending FT all game doesnt do anything for you if Im right? no hehe, you know Im right man. YOU KNOW IT BOY!
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On August 02 2013 00:07 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 23:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 01 2013 23:35 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 01 2013 23:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 01 2013 23:31 Oatsmaster wrote: So lets say FT is town Rayn, how do your reads change? FT is scum so there is no need to discuss that. lol. Indulge me. There is no pre-flip association in my reads, so my reads won´t change a bit. JAT/Koshi come up after FT/you/Cora as scummiest. So the fact that i have been hard defending FT all game doesnt do anything for you if Im right?
Oats, I was there with you. In fact, I'm the one that pointed it out to you. Now I'm doubtful, and the fact that you aren't is weird.
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On August 02 2013 00:10 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2013 00:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 02 2013 00:07 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 01 2013 23:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 01 2013 23:35 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 01 2013 23:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 01 2013 23:31 Oatsmaster wrote: So lets say FT is town Rayn, how do your reads change? FT is scum so there is no need to discuss that. lol. Indulge me. There is no pre-flip association in my reads, so my reads won´t change a bit. JAT/Koshi come up after FT/you/Cora as scummiest. So the fact that i have been hard defending FT all game doesnt do anything for you if Im right? no hehe, you know Im right man. YOU KNOW IT BOY! townies defend town all the time. scum defend townies all the time. scum defend scum all the time. there is nothing alignment indicative in your defence. other than it´s really fucking bad based on one "townslip" and you are ignoring every single other thing FT has done.
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On a sidenote, i just got confirmation that there are no other sanities for cops this game than sane.
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On August 02 2013 00:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2013 00:10 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 02 2013 00:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 02 2013 00:07 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 01 2013 23:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 01 2013 23:35 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 01 2013 23:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 01 2013 23:31 Oatsmaster wrote: So lets say FT is town Rayn, how do your reads change? FT is scum so there is no need to discuss that. lol. Indulge me. There is no pre-flip association in my reads, so my reads won´t change a bit. JAT/Koshi come up after FT/you/Cora as scummiest. So the fact that i have been hard defending FT all game doesnt do anything for you if Im right? no hehe, you know Im right man. YOU KNOW IT BOY! townies defend town all the time. scum defend townies all the time. scum defend scum all the time. there is nothing alignment indicative in your defence. other than it´s really fucking bad based on one "townslip" and you are ignoring every single other thing FT has done. there are things town and scum both can do. There are things only town can do. There are things only scum can do.
Clarity, I dunno about you, but I dont feel/see anything different from the other games Ive played with FT.
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