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tonight
United States11130 Posts
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EchOne
United States2906 Posts
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rauk
United States2228 Posts
On July 30 2013 05:17 EchOne wrote: Tentative Team Courage roster: :race: <iCCup ID> (Max: <Lifetime Max Rank> ID: <TL ID>) *Captain*  Sentenal (Max: C- ID: Sentenal)*Players*  Nagisama (Max: C- ID: Nagisama) snipin_panda (Max: C- ID: snipinpanda) Wala.Revolution (Max: C- ID: DryWater) ghrur (Max: C- ID: aeghrur) tonight (Max: C- ID: massgame) EchOne (Max: D ID: prophecy_) Epoxide (Max: D ID: ???)We might be joined later by KazeHydra and SniperTerran but they are indisposed atm. lolwtf i think i should be allowed to play zvp tvz pvt in this tour isn't prophecy c- anyways | ||
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EchOne
United States2906 Posts
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rauk
United States2228 Posts
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Birdie
New Zealand4438 Posts
 As ggrrg pointed out, League of Legends has this same thing happen and no one accuses them of match-fixing. And yet the second I suggest having two teams under the sB tag there's a big kerfuffle about how Birdie's trying to set up matches or something like that. Firstly, I'm entirely against any form of cheating and would ban any person in my team who did cheat in any form, immediately. Secondly, there are precedents in similar sports of this happening where it isn't a problem. Thirdly, it means there are more teams in the league (couple things I've seen suggest we might even have as many as 9-10 teams in the league if a couple of people go through with what they've been saying). The more the merrier! And the purpose of the league is to have low level players motivated to practice, and also to give them experience in tournament situations. The more people that are playing, the more this objective is achieved. The only argument people have been coming in with is "this will lead to cheating", but other sports are quite happy to do it, so I don't think that the conclusion that a team is entering two teams should be considered an increased chance of cheating is necessarily a true conclusion to make. What happened to "innocent until proven guilty"? In the end though it'll be L_Master's decision. | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On July 30 2013 06:00 rauk wrote: your trueskill rating puts you at approximately the same strength as lmaster or aeghrur or any random c- player from the league IDK wtf trueskill is, but it is true hes never gotten above D on Iccup. Iccup ranks don't reflect skill anyway, so I don't see the point of people 'wtf'ing at Echo not lying when he says what he has ladder on Iccup before. On July 30 2013 03:46 arb wrote: It's not even the same thing, half of you arguing for the sake of arguing. What do they have to gain by match fixing? Nothing. Thats assuming these random internet players(that have never met/never will) are going to willingly throw games so that other people they dont know can win. And I think the chance of that happening drops dramatically to basically be non existent when you factor in theres no prize for them to win if they do decide to rig games(which im 100% certain wouldnt happen) What does anyone have to gain by cheating (in any form what so ever) in this league? Nothing. No money involved. Therefore, since no one has any monetary motivations in this league, we should get rid of all of our rules. You have opened my eyes. Anyway, if there are 2 sB teams this season, there probably won't a Courage team. I'm with Echo, and I doubt anyone else on the team wants to step up and captain, so thats that.. | ||
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arb
Noobville17920 Posts
On July 30 2013 06:06 Sentenal wrote: IDK wtf trueskill is, but it is true hes never gotten above D on Iccup. Iccup ranks don't reflect skill anyway, so I don't see the point of people 'wtf'ing at Echo not lying when he says what he has ladder on Iccup before. What does anyone have to gain by cheating (in any form what so ever) in this league? Nothing. No money involved. Therefore, since no one has any monetary motivations in this league, we should get rid of all of our rules. You have opened my eyes. like i said arguing for the sake of arguing | ||
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rauk
United States2228 Posts
On July 30 2013 06:06 Sentenal wrote: IDK wtf trueskill is, but it is true hes never gotten above D on Iccup. Iccup ranks don't reflect skill anyway, so I don't see the point of people 'wtf'ing at Echo not lying when he says what he has ladder on Iccup before. What does anyone have to gain by cheating (in any form what so ever) in this league? Nothing. No money involved. Therefore, since no one has any monetary motivations in this league, we should get rid of all of our rules. You have opened my eyes. Anyway, if there are 2 sB teams this season, there probably won't a Courage team. I'm with Echo, and I doubt anyone else on the team wants to step up and captain, so thats that.. http://malcolmsharpe.github.io/iccup-ratings/html/leaderboard.html rating system similar in idea to elo but with different calculations he might deliberately not ladder so he's not better than "d" but it's pretty clear he's much better than that also if the second SB team is made up entirely of the new recruits that birdie says he found, what is the motivation for them to cheat for birdie? basically none | ||
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arb
Noobville17920 Posts
On July 30 2013 06:13 rauk wrote: http://malcolmsharpe.github.io/iccup-ratings/html/leaderboard.html rating system similar in idea to elo but with different calculations he might deliberately not ladder so he's not better than "d" but it's pretty clear he's much better than that also if the second SB team is made up entirely of the new recruits that birdie says he found, what is the motivation for them to cheat for birdie? basically none no they're going to cheat, because theres no motivation doesnt mean they wont do it | ||
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rauk
United States2228 Posts
i guess this means that sunkhan will cheat for despa, even though there's no motivation doesn't mean they won't do it | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On July 30 2013 06:13 rauk wrote: http://malcolmsharpe.github.io/iccup-ratings/html/leaderboard.html rating system similar in idea to elo but with different calculations he might deliberately not ladder so he's not better than "d" but it's pretty clear he's much better than that also if the second SB team is made up entirely of the new recruits that birdie says he found, what is the motivation for them to cheat for birdie? basically none Hes easily better than what you would expect out of D rank players, I agree. I'm just saying that just because he is saying his "rank" is D, doesn't mean hes saying his "skill" is D. | ||
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arb
Noobville17920 Posts
On July 30 2013 06:21 rauk wrote: what if birdie kicked arca from sb and arca formed his own team? would that not be allowed? what is the functional difference between birdie doing that and him creating SB2? because no matter what they're going to cheat because they're friends it doesnt matter if theres no motivation it's going to happen. look now im arguing like everyone else in the thread | ||
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Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
On July 30 2013 06:22 arb wrote: If theres motivation to win theres motivation to cheat. You can make the same post fourty times in a row and each time pretend were just being argumentative; you arent going to convince anyone that human nature isnt what it is.because no matter what they're going to cheat because they're friends it doesnt matter if theres no motivation it's going to happen. look now im arguing like everyone else in the thread | ||
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Birdie
New Zealand4438 Posts
On July 30 2013 06:39 Dazed_Spy wrote: If theres motivation to win theres motivation to cheat. You can make the same post fourty times in a row and each time pretend were just being argumentative; you arent going to convince anyone that human nature isnt what it is. Everyone in the league has motivation to cheat because they all want to win. Having two sB teams does not change that. | ||
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Sero
United States692 Posts
On July 30 2013 06:39 Dazed_Spy wrote: If theres motivation to win theres motivation to cheat. You can make the same post fourty times in a row and each time pretend were just being argumentative; you arent going to convince anyone that human nature isnt what it is. That's fine, but going back to Rauk's point, what's the difference between a completely newly formed team and a "second sB team" which has a different manager, different name, and different players? | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
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Birdie
New Zealand4438 Posts
On July 30 2013 06:44 Sentenal wrote: But having 2 sB teams makes it a whole lot easier/likely. Which is the entire point. OK, then Arca will be forming a new team not under the name sB, with new players. I don't think it makes it any more likely, because as I've said before, OTHER SPORTS DO THIS SAME THING. | ||
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EchOne
United States2906 Posts
Just because there are other sports events that allow this doesn't mean it is "right." There are also sports events where this does not occur, such as the FIFA World Cup, but this fact doesn't make it "wrong" either. Discussion of principle involves the core logic of the issue. Cases can be evidence, but they don't justify entire positions. | ||
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tonight
United States11130 Posts
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