[N] Sicilian Mafia Style - Page 47

[00:09] <Pasta> Hey wig
[00:09] <Pasta> took you a while
[00:19] <@Wiggles> hey
[00:19] <@Wiggles> what's up?
[00:20] <Pasta> wanted to talk to you
[00:20] <Pasta> you said you have no masons
[00:21] <Pasta> Are you catched up on the game?
[00:21] <@Wiggles> more or less
[00:21] <Pasta> what is missing
[00:22] <@Wiggles> well, I've read through once, skimmed once, but I haven't gone through too many individual filters today yet
[00:22] <@Wiggles> I'm haappy hiro flipped traitor
[00:22] <@Wiggles> I thought he looked scummy
[00:22] <@Wiggles> and it looked like scum who maybe shot him
[00:23] <Pasta> you don't mention it in the thread though
[00:23] <@Wiggles> no
[00:23] <@Wiggles> someone else pmed me
[00:23] <@Wiggles> later
[00:23] <Pasta> interesting
[00:23] <@Wiggles> and I mentioned it to them
[00:24] <@Wiggles> what do you think about the way the lynch is going today?
[00:24] <Pasta> well
[00:24] <Pasta> First I'd like to ask you a few questions
[00:24] <Pasta> you have shown pretty low activity
[00:24] <Pasta> I need to know what's going on in your head
[00:24] <@Wiggles> mhmm
[00:24] <Pasta> Can you give me an analysis of what happened D1
[00:25] <Pasta> but first, your scumreads for this moment
[00:25] <Pasta> or reads you think are very reliable
[00:25] <Pasta> in general
[00:25] <Pasta> by what I mean D1 I mean the stuff about VE
[00:25] <Pasta> how the votes ended up
[00:28] <@Wiggles> Well, I'd say Rayn, Vayne, Dr. H are pretty likely to be town
[00:29] <@Wiggles> I'm going back and forth a bit on strong and big being scum
[00:29] <@Wiggles> and am also suspicious of layabout
[00:29] <@Wiggles> there's also probably a couple scum among the more lurky/content-less posters
[00:29] <@Wiggles> but I'm not worrying too much about them right now
[00:30] <@Wiggles> it's easier to catch scum from people who actually say things, and just let vigs deal with them until a little later in the game when mafia have no leadership
[00:30] <Pasta> meh, vigs
[00:30] <@Wiggles> I don't know what to think of tofu
[00:30] <@Wiggles> I'm trying to read him more
[00:30] <Pasta> i never understood why people rely on vigs
[00:30] <Pasta> kill lurkers and stuff like that with a lynch
[00:30] <Pasta> equally good
[00:31] <@Wiggles> it's a bit of a crapshoot though
[00:31] <@Wiggles> with the lynch
[00:31] <Pasta> vigs supposed to shoot lurkers is more of a measure to avoid crapshoots
[00:31] <Pasta> imo
[00:31] <@Wiggles> same with vigs, but then you don't spend time worrying about it
[00:31] <@Wiggles> yeah
[00:31] <Pasta> But we're drifting off
[00:32] <Pasta> Had a lot of discussion about tofu
[00:32] <Pasta> with one of my masons
[00:32] <Pasta> we have opposite opinions
[00:32] <Pasta> what would yours be
[00:32] <@Wiggles> one thinks town, the other scum?
[00:32] <Pasta> yeah
[00:32] <@Wiggles> I didn't think he was scum too much yesterday
[00:32] <@Wiggles> I'm going to re-read now
[00:33] <Pasta> btw
[00:33] <@Wiggles> and then read Dr.H again
[00:33] <Pasta> the S & B and laya thinkg
[00:33] <Pasta> I'm very interested in those two as well
[00:33] <Pasta> but I need some reasons from you
[00:33] <Pasta> well
[00:34] <Pasta> take your time
[00:34] <Pasta> read through
[00:34] <Pasta> tell me what you want
[00:40] <@Wiggles> layabout reads scummy, because he posts a lot, but doesn't really say anything. He also has some other details that make him look like scum. He asks lots of questions, and sometimes makes game-relevant statements, but doesn't spend anytime providing detail or explanation. It reminds me of his play in "The Game". So, it looks like he's saying a lot, but he's not really saying anything, just shooting out little bits of opinion that don't change t
[00:41] <@Wiggles> The other two things that look bad, are him saying he wants to make a case on you, and then back-tracking. i.e. not keeping in promises of having to make an actual contribution, and also his vote for VE feels quite weird.
[00:42] <Pasta> Good
[00:42] <Pasta> Not just that
[00:42] <Pasta> he's simply obviously not interested into solving the game
[00:43] <@Wiggles> It feels like a lot of his reason for voting him was based on the claim. There was a lot of analysis based on his behaviour, but he uses the claim as part of it, but then he doesn't have to accept responsibility for being wrong, as it has more to do with policy
[00:43] <@Wiggles> yeah
[00:43] <@Wiggles> the analysis done by others*
[00:43] <Pasta> You still got MZ as scum?
[00:43] <@Wiggles> that sounds confusin
[00:45] <@Wiggles> I'm not as sure now
[00:46] <@Wiggles> he was the other person who pmed me
[00:46] <Pasta> Did you talk much
[00:46] <@Wiggles> and in PMs he seems a lot more reasonable, so I'm not sure what he's doing in the thread
[00:46] <@Wiggles> a bit
[00:46] <@Wiggles> a few pms back and forth with reads
[00:46] <Pasta> you still got two unused masons?
[00:46] <@Wiggles> and they seem reasonable
[00:46] <@Wiggles> yes
[00:47] <Pasta> hmm
[00:47] <Pasta> the thing is
[00:47] <Pasta> where is SlOosh all of a sudden
[00:47] <Pasta> if you don't suspect MZ anymore
[00:48] <Pasta> and VE was lynched
[00:48] <Pasta> what about the SlOosh wagon
[00:49] <Pasta> doesn't it lead you to certain conclusions
[00:49] <Pasta> ?
[00:49] <@Wiggles> I don't like that sloosh has disappeared now that the pressure on him is gone
[00:49] <Pasta> there's that
[00:49] <Pasta> but not only
[00:50] <Pasta> that's the reason I aske you to look at D1 votes
[00:50] <Pasta> did you read yammo's filter?
[00:50] <@Wiggles> yeah, just took a look
[00:50] <Pasta> any deductions?
[00:50] <@Wiggles> he soft=defends him quite a bit
[00:50] <Pasta> uh, didn't even see that
[00:51] <@Wiggles> might be that mafia just don't care about him
[00:51] <@Wiggles> after day 1
[00:51] <@Wiggles> because they thought he was too far gone
[00:51] <Pasta> oh I see
[00:51] <@Wiggles> since yamato looks like he's turning on him later
[00:51] <@Wiggles> but if he's amfia, that could easily be a bus
[00:52] <@Wiggles> since sloosh hadn't done anything by then but defend himself
[00:52] <Pasta> who would you lynch, if you had to pick immediately
[00:52] <@Wiggles> the other thing though, is that he puts qualifiers on killing sloosh
[00:52] <@Wiggles> layabout
[00:52] <@Wiggles> if I just had to pick right now
[00:52] <Pasta> ok
[00:53] <Pasta> Did you look at the D1 votes yet?
[00:53] <Pasta> how they ended up
[00:53] <Pasta> can you deliver me some analysis
[00:53] <@Wiggles> huh
[00:53] <Pasta> they have a certain characteristic
[00:53] <@Wiggles> didn't realize sloosh was at 5
[00:54] <@Wiggles> well there's the obvious thing of kholly switichng at the end
[00:55] <@Wiggles> but the votes were also all quite close
[00:55] <@Wiggles> and the wagon on meapak formed very close to the end of the day
[00:55] <@Wiggles> after the ve claim
[00:55] <@Wiggles> but after that, no one seemed to be paying as much attention to sloosh
[00:55] <@Wiggles> a lot of the scummier looking people were on ve
[00:56] <@Wiggles> with the townier people split across
[00:56] <@Wiggles> sloosh and mz more
[00:56] <Pasta> What I see is
[00:56] <Pasta> not a single scummy person on SlOosh
[00:57] <Pasta> ever
[00:57] <@Wiggles> hiro
[00:57] <@Wiggles> but besides him, not really
[00:57] <Pasta> well, i don't count hiro as scum
[00:57] <Pasta> at that stag
[00:57] <Pasta> we had similar reads
[00:57] <Pasta> in mason chat
[00:58] <Pasta> he mainly wanted a bag of silent cred and to survive i think
[00:59] <Pasta> I think I'll push a SlOosh lynch
[01:00] <Pasta> Yamato points to MZ town and SlOosh scum
[01:00] <Pasta> the wagons look bad for him
[01:00] <Pasta> he fucked off after attacks stopped
[01:00] <@Wiggles> all good points
[01:00] <Pasta> but if I'm telling you this it's cause I need your axe
[01:01] <Pasta> what do you think of the FT lynch
[01:01] <@Wiggles> we can even follow yamato's advice!
[01:01] <@Wiggles>  Sloosh is looking many times worse after I left the thread. He is more than capable of solid analysis as a town player, yet has contributed very little that I would call meaningful. Watch him day 2, and if he doesn't improve, lynch him.
[01:01] <@Wiggles> still ahven't read him
[01:01] <@Wiggles> talking to you, haha
[01:01] <@Wiggles> I'd need a little
[01:01] <Pasta> well that's why I asked you if you catched up -.-
[01:02] <@Wiggles> to look over him again
[01:02] <@Wiggles> I told you I hadn't read him
[01:02] <Pasta> I actually want to chat with people who say they are prepared
[01:02] <Pasta> to avoid justifications for delays
[01:02] <Pasta> so, prepare yourself
[01:02] <Pasta> then we talk again
[01:14] <Pasta> you're kinda inactive this game
[01:14] <Pasta> you were quite different as JP
[01:14] <Pasta> very headstrong
[01:15] <@Wiggles> JP?
[01:16] <Pasta> Jpertwee
[01:16] <@Wiggles> what's that?
[01:16] <Pasta> eh?
[01:16] <Pasta> weren't you in smurf mini
[01:16] <@Wiggles> no
[01:16] <Pasta> wtf
[01:16] <Pasta> who was JP again
[01:16] <@Wiggles> no idea, didn't follow it
[01:18] <@Wiggles> done reading tofu, he seems worse to me than before
[01:18] <Pasta> heh
[01:19] <@Wiggles> don't know if it's enough to lynch him though
[01:19] <Pasta> he asked people to get off ve
[01:19] <Pasta> ended up on sloosh
[01:19] <Pasta> posts a load
[01:19] <Pasta> he makes mistakes, is loud, sometimes clumsy
[01:19] <Pasta> wouldn't lynch
[01:19] <@Wiggles> yeah
[01:19] <Pasta> ah crap
[01:19] <Pasta> JP was sharrant
[01:20] <Pasta> kinda confused you two
[01:20] <@Wiggles> I just don't like how he calls sloosh a town read, then votes ve, unvotes ve, says sloosh is a better lynch because of the roleclaim, even though he still had the town read, and didn't give indication of a scum read, then says he thinks sloohs is scum, and then flips again the next day because yamato gave a weak post saying to maybe kill him
[01:21] <Pasta> his scumread was drh
[01:21] <@Wiggles> I meant on sloosh
[01:21] <Pasta> well he had no real scumread on him
[01:21] <Pasta> afaik
[01:21] <@Wiggles> yeah
[01:22] <@Wiggles> that's why it looks worse
[01:22] <@Wiggles> he called him town
[01:22] <@Wiggles> then votes him anyways because of the role claim
[01:22] <@Wiggles> could just have been a dumb decision though
[01:22] <Pasta> and you think scum's more likely to do that?
[01:22] <Pasta> lol
[01:22] <Pasta> it's inconsistent
[01:22] <Pasta> it's stupid
[01:22] <@Wiggles> scum would know that ve was town
[01:22] <@Wiggles> so it looks worse if they were on the lynch of a power role
[01:23] <Pasta> or
[01:23] <@Wiggles> he also later says that anyone who voted ve needs to be looked at
[01:23] <@Wiggles> so it's consistent
[01:23] <Pasta> they would try to lynch that power role
[01:23] <Pasta> not all scum are scared
[01:23] <Pasta> I'm one of the few going for wagon analysis actually
[01:24] <Pasta> Why do that
[01:24] <Pasta> Why try to save VE
[01:24] <Pasta> he had written a case on him
[01:24] <Pasta> people were doubting his claim
[01:24] <Pasta> renounce on lynching a powerrole
[01:24] <Pasta> being afraid to look worse?
[01:25] <Pasta> how is scum supposed to get good mislynches that way
[01:26] <Pasta> Tofu is too bold to be scum imho
[01:26] <Pasta> almost suicidal
[01:26] <Pasta> not ace's way of being suicidal
[01:26] <Pasta> it's so ironic actually
[01:26] <Pasta> ace spits in town's face
[01:27] <Pasta> doing nothing
[01:27] <Pasta> tofu is on the block
[01:27] <Pasta> for doing mistakes, but trying to do stuff
[01:27] <Pasta> it's a sad day
[01:27] <@Wiggles> yeah
[01:27] <@Wiggles> what you say makes sense
[01:28] <Pasta> Any opinion on marv?
[01:30] <@Wiggles> I was null on hapa when he came in
[01:30] <@Wiggles> he seems alright
[01:30] <@Wiggles> now
[01:31] <@Wiggles> his target's quite easy
[01:31] <Pasta> kinda inactive for marv don't you think
[01:31] <@Wiggles> but I'm not sure how much that means
[01:31] <Pasta> he usually likes to take the reins
[01:32] <@Wiggles> is that still true when he replaces in though?
[01:32] <Pasta> well, he should have catched up since ages
[01:32] <Pasta> or for*
[01:32] <Pasta> idk
[01:32] <Pasta> lol
[01:32] <@Wiggles> haha
[01:33] <@Wiggles> I'm not too familiar with everyone's meta anymore
[01:33] <Pasta> it's not just the meta
[01:33] <Pasta> he seems kinda weak on pushing his lynch target
[01:33] <Pasta> and frankly, FT I don't think is a good target
[01:33] <@Wiggles> what do you think of his target of kholly?
[01:34] <Pasta> kholly is a fine target
[01:34] <Pasta> i mean
[01:34] <Pasta> you can't say much against tha
[01:34] <Pasta> there are good lynches and bad lynches
[01:34] <Pasta> kholly is a good lynch
[01:35] <Pasta> I'm not adverse to policy lynching
[01:35] <Pasta> There are arguments out there
[01:35] <Pasta> saying that it's Chez playing like scum chez
[01:35] <Pasta> but I'm not that sure
[01:35] <Pasta> the guy is unpredictable
[01:36] <@Wiggles> ywah, he's unpredicatable, self-aware, and he trolls
[01:36] <Pasta> But one thing makes him suspicious
[01:36] <Pasta> his voteswitch
[01:37] <@Wiggles> yes, that would be the big thing
[01:37] <Pasta> can you give me "your version" of events
[01:37] <Pasta> for the D1 vote development
[01:38] <Pasta> need to look something up
[01:38] <Pasta> has to do with you
[01:38] <Pasta> if it fits my theory, dear Wiggles
[01:38] <Pasta> it might get you into trouble
[01:38] <@Wiggles> well, the day started off with the normal sorts of votes, for pressure, or as quick reactions
[01:38] <Pasta> the wagons
[01:38] <Pasta> there were 3 wagons
[01:39] <@Wiggles> yeah
[01:39] <@Wiggles> I'm getting there
[01:39] <@Wiggles> the initial sloosh wagon emerged based on his talk about pms
[01:39] <@Wiggles> and had some strong initial support
[01:40] <@Wiggles> but then people got embroiled in the Dr.H vs Tofu stuff, and the wagon starting for VE
[01:40] <@Wiggles> VE didn't do a good job defending himseld
[01:40] <@Wiggles> so his wagon picked up a lot of speed
[01:41] <@Wiggles> at that point, the sloosh wagon started to be seen as the alternative to the ve wagon
[01:41] <Pasta> yup
[01:41] <@Wiggles> so there was some more support for it from people who didn't want to lynch VE neccessarily
[01:41] <@Wiggles> I was yelling in the thread about MZ though
[01:41] <@Wiggles> and some other people were coming around
[01:42] <@Wiggles> so, there was some switching onto mz
[01:42] <@Wiggles> but that wagon acutlaly picked up a lot of votes very quickly
[01:42] <@Wiggles> it was the sort of alternative wagon to VE that peole thought had a better chance of being scum, and again, people started to avoid the sloosh wagon
[01:43] <@Wiggles> for whatever reason
[01:43] <@Wiggles> so, MZ picked up a lot of votes, very quickly, very close to the deadline
[01:43] <@Wiggles> but there weren't enough
[01:43] <@Wiggles> and VE got lynched
[01:43] <@Wiggles> the sloosh wagon picked up a good amount of votes early
[01:43] <@Wiggles> then more slowly throughout the day
[01:44] <@Wiggles> the VE wagon started in the middle of the day and went strong until the end
[01:44] <@Wiggles> and the MZ wagon had little support initially, but then turned into a large bandwagon right near the end of the day
[01:47] <Pasta> imagine you're scum now
[01:47] <Pasta> SlOosh is scum
[01:47] <Pasta> You're comfortably pushing the VE wagon
[01:47] <Pasta> then he claims america
[01:47] <Pasta> and people start getting off him
[01:48] <Pasta> threatening to lynch SlOosh
[01:48] <Pasta> what will you do
[01:48] <Pasta> Btw I checked the thing
[01:48] <Pasta> you pushed MZ before VE claimed
[01:48] <@Wiggles> mhmm
[01:48] <Pasta> so I can't hold that against you
[01:49] <@Wiggles> scum would either try to rally people back to VE, or they would jump on the next best wagon
[01:49] <Pasta> yeah
[01:49] <Pasta> that's what we look for
[01:49] <@Wiggles> if sloosh is their scumbuddy, that wagon is mz
[01:49] <Pasta> also notice
[01:49] <Pasta> I posted the post about S & B
[01:49] <Pasta> with list of his scumreads
[01:50] <Pasta> it has sloosh in it
[01:50] <Pasta> but he never pursues it after the first mention
[01:50] <Pasta> and ends up on VE
[01:50] <Pasta> need to check if he retracted it before voting him though
[02:03] <Pasta> while rereading that part
[02:03] <Pasta> there's some stuff about FT
[02:03] <Pasta> www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19213419
[02:04] <Pasta> but well
[02:04] <Pasta> he can justify saying he didn't know the mechanics
[02:04] <Pasta> although I had posted them in the thread
[02:10] <Pasta> oh wow
[02:10] <Pasta> there's a post by layabout that's just terrible
[02:13] <Pasta> holy shit
[02:13] <Pasta> kholly fakeclaiming DT check
[02:13] <Pasta> on me
[02:17] <Pasta> Wiggles, I want to post these logs immediately
[02:17] <Pasta> need to talk


[20:45] <@Viv> heya
[20:45] <Wigglwa> hey
[20:46] <@Viv> so, what's up
[20:46] <@Viv> what's your current view on the game
[20:46] <Wigglwa> it got pretty silly pretty fast
[20:46] <@Viv> lol yeah
[20:46] <Wigglwa> too many people trying to troll
[20:46] <@Viv> that modkill was so sad
[20:46] <Wigglwa> yeah
[20:46] <@Viv> hurts to turn out right like that
[20:47] <Wigglwa> then we lost another town slot
[20:47] <Wigglwa> and i feel vayne is town
[20:47] <@Viv> me too
[20:47] <@Viv> actually im still not so sure about koshi
[20:47] <Wigglwa> so unless he gets replaced, that's another modkill in two days
[20:47] <@Viv> but the guy is so cheerful
[20:47] <@Viv> so careless
[20:47] <@Viv> ah, vayne gonna get replaced then
[20:47] <@Viv> didn't know that
[20:48] <@Viv> where did you pick that up
[20:48] <Wigglwa> what do you mean?
[20:49] <@Viv> that he's getting replaced
[20:49] <Wigglwa> I didn't
[20:49] <@Viv> ah
[20:49] <Wigglwa> I'm just asusming that if he can only post for two days
[20:49] <Wigglwa> he's getting modkilled or replaced after
[20:49] <@Viv> ok
[20:49] <@Viv> what do you think of
[20:50] <@Viv> lynching kholly
[20:50] <@Viv> I'd like to get over that soon
[20:50] <@Viv> it's chez
[20:50] <@Viv> he fakeclaims shit
[20:50] <Wigglwa> is he scum though?
[20:50] <Wigglwa> he's just trolling the crap out of the thread
[20:51] <Wigglwa> but I don't know what his alignment is
[20:51] <Wigglwa> he doens't feel too much like he wants to help town though
[20:51] <Wigglwa> so maybe
[20:51] <Wigglwa> normally chez makes some sort of effort, I feel
[20:52] <@Viv> so?
[20:52] <Wigglwa> he confuses me, basically
[20:52] <@Viv> you won't have vigs to shoot him
[20:52] <Wigglwa> no
[20:52] <@Viv> do you feel like it's someone you could get into lylo with
[20:53] <Wigglwa> I wouldn't want to, no
[20:53] <@Viv> can we agree on lynching him first?
[20:53] <Wigglwa> before sloosh or layabout, you're saying?
[20:53] <@Viv> yeah
[20:54] <Wigglwa> why do you feel lynching him is urgent?
[20:55] <@Viv> cause people like him become very hard to lynch
[20:55] <@Viv> when town's free room increases
[20:55] <@Viv> people feel like lynching trolls becomes increasingly risky
[20:55] <@Viv> i mean decreases*
[20:55] <@Viv> they are all like "holy shit man, what if we're wrong, we have to lynch scum first, not policy lynch"
[20:56] <@Viv> "if we're wrong we're gonna regret it"
[20:56] <@Viv> idk though
[20:56] <@Viv> do you think there's a good reason
[20:56] <@Viv> that points to him being town?
[20:57] <@Viv> look through him
[20:57] <@Viv> tell me if you think it's a good idea please
[20:57] <@Viv> need to eat with family now
[20:57] <Wigglwa> I don't really see anything, that makes me think he's strongly town. It's more that what he's doing isn't something I'd think was impossible or even improbable if he were town
[20:57] <@Viv> brb in a while
[21:01] <@Viv> btw
[21:01] <@Viv> i agree on the information thing actually
[21:01] <@Viv> it's another aspect
[21:02] <@Viv> if I lynch him and I'm wrong..
[21:02] <@Viv> all my other cases might lose a lot of efficacy
[21:04] <@Viv> bleh
[21:04] <@Viv> the thing is, Wiggles
[21:04] <@Viv> I'm in contact with the other mason in real time
[21:04] <@Viv> he wants to lynch kholly mostly
[21:04] <@Viv> and I can't refute it
[21:05] <@Viv> there's barely anything you can do to argue against that lynch
[21:05] <@Viv> hence it's probably best to lynch him first
[21:13] <Wigglwa> well, you can't really argue that he's not a decent lynch, but can your contact argue that a kholl ylynch is better than a sloosh lynch for example?
[21:27] <@Viv> well
[21:27] <@Viv> my contact thinks that chez is playing like in LIX
[21:27] <@Viv> where he was scum
[21:28] <@Viv> And the fact that ikt'll become harder to lynch him over time
[21:29] <@Viv> and that not trolling suspects offer us more ifnormation over time
[21:29] <@Viv> whereas information from trolls is worthless
[00:02] <@Viv> hey wig
[00:02] <@Viv> voting kholly or not

[13:04] <@marvelbabe> trying to remember what batch of newbie numbers he was around
[13:04] <@marvelbabe> sometime around 30 maybe
[13:17] <@Pasta> Tell me if you think this is scum-scum please
[13:17] <@Pasta> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=414884&currentpage=18#341
[13:20] <@marvelbabe> hmm
[13:20] <@marvelbabe> first paragraph seems more like scum-town, second more like scum-scum
[13:28] <@Pasta> should have catched yamato right there
[13:28] <@Pasta> has MZ as scum
[13:28] <@Pasta> asks FT to read Oats
[13:28] <@Pasta> completely random
[13:29] <@marvelbabe> easy in hindsight my dear
[13:29] <@marvelbabe> at the time you can always rationalise it away
[13:29] <@marvelbabe> pretty sure you could find plenty of townies doing equally weird things
[13:29] <@Pasta> yeah, it's pure hindisght
[13:30] <@Pasta> but tells us what we have to look for
[13:30] <@Pasta> in parrt
[13:30] <@Pasta> people who don't seem to value their own scumreads
[13:30] <@Pasta> koshi's stuff with VE is basically analogous
[13:32] <@marvelbabe> that's not correct logic
[13:32] <@marvelbabe> because one scum person did something doesn't mean it's a scumteam-s mantra
[13:33] <@Pasta> this is getting somewhat into our heuristics
[13:33] <@Pasta> but scum make their shit up
[13:33] <@Pasta> they lack conviction behind it
[13:33] <@Pasta> and might make the mistake to forget their later play to their previous reads
[13:33] <@Pasta> to forgoet to adapt*
[13:34] <@Pasta> if you pushed VE but decided not to vote him for some reason
[13:34] <@Pasta> and later I ask you
[13:34] <@Pasta> "Can you think of guys posting arguments against VE but not voting for him"?
[13:34] <@Pasta> and you reply "Nah idk"
[13:35] <@Pasta> It means you don't rememeber your previous attitude
[13:35] <@Pasta> scum doesn't have real attitudes
[13:35] <@marvelbabe> or it means he didn't view himself that way
[13:36] <@Pasta> I also don't understand
[13:37] <@Pasta> he posted arguments for VE being scum
[13:37] <@Pasta> usually, when it turns out you're wrong, that leaves you some justification for the guy being lynched
[13:37] <@Pasta> or better
[13:38] <@Pasta> even if VE was mislynched, he should have been at least a little of the opinion that the guys lynching him had some point
[13:38] <@marvelbabe> :/
[13:38] <@marvelbabe> i'm not getting any of this
[13:38] <@marvelbabe> i think he's fine
[13:38] <@Pasta> well he posted arguments for VE being scum
[13:38] <@Pasta> but doesn't see where the guys lynching him come from
[13:39] <@Pasta> and agrees that it was a scum bandwagon
[13:39] <@marvelbabe> if he's scum then he's magically taken the 100% opposite attitude to the other game where he's scum
[13:39] <@marvelbabe> so he's not very interesting to me right now
[13:39] <@Pasta> not reading that game
[13:39] <@Pasta> might do
[13:39] <@Pasta> Other thing:
[13:40] <@Pasta> He thinks FT is scum
[13:40] <@Pasta> So I ask him about SlOosh
[13:40] <@Pasta> cause he agrees that scum was on VE
[13:40] <@Pasta> but FT was on SlOosh!
[13:40] <@marvelbabe> so????
[13:40] <@Pasta> He doesn't use that to get a read on sloosh
[13:41] <@Pasta> like
[13:41] <@Pasta> "It's unlikely scum would end on scum when they could lynch the vig"
[13:42] <@marvelbabe> ok
[13:42] <@Pasta> I miss the thinking process I would expect from a townie with those reads
[13:42] <@marvelbabe> i think you miss YOUR thinking process
[13:43] <@Pasta> i might not explain it well
[13:43] <@marvelbabe> you explain it fine
[13:43] <@marvelbabe> i just don't attach what you attach to it
[13:43] <@marvelbabe> i'm sitting here going "meh... maaaaaybe... but eh"
[11:35] <Pasta> Hey, I have been masoned by someone else in the meantime
[11:35] <Pasta> will tell you soon
[11:35] <Pasta> what do you think happened tonight
[11:35] <Pasta> how is it possible that two scum die
[11:35] <Pasta> btw the guy who masoned me
[11:36] <Pasta> you will find interesting
[11:37] <Pasta> also, need your conversations with yamato please
[11:37] <@marvelbabe> hey
[11:37] <@marvelbabe> they're in-thread
[11:37] <Pasta> ah
[11:37] <Pasta> well, did you check out his filter post-flip?
[11:37] <Pasta> there are two interesting interactions
[11:37] <@marvelbabe> naw
[11:38] <@marvelbabe> no-one else masoned me
[11:38] <@marvelbabe> i'm salty
[11:38] <Pasta> lol
[11:38] <@marvelbabe> oh
[11:38] <@marvelbabe> rofl
[11:38] <Pasta> wiggles didn't reply yet
[11:39] <@marvelbabe> so
[11:39] <@marvelbabe> did hiro genuinely believe sloosh mafia
[11:40] <Pasta> trying to remember
[11:40] <Pasta> lost the fucking logs
[11:40] <Pasta> sigh
[11:40] <@marvelbabe> good job
[11:40] <@marvelbabe> you still got ours?
[11:40] <Pasta> yeah
[11:40] <@marvelbabe> phew
[11:41] <@marvelbabe> i didn't save
[11:41] <@marvelbabe> could you send me at some point
[11:41] <@marvelbabe> not urgent
[11:41] <Pasta> irc needs some function
[11:41] <Pasta> need to ask palmar if he can write us some script that saves chat automatically
[11:41] <Pasta> lol
[11:42] <Pasta> anyway
[11:42] <Pasta> I know, Hiro suspected everyone on VE wagon
[11:42] <Pasta> except for yam and Oats
[11:42] <Pasta> I think I told you in chat yesterday too
[11:43] <Pasta> he didn't like the scum FT idea
[11:43] <Pasta> nor the S & B scum
[11:43] <Pasta> nor was he keen on lynching ace
[11:45] <@marvelbabe> yea
[11:45] <@marvelbabe> it's hard to workout his motives
[11:45] <@marvelbabe> i think if i were traitor
[11:45] <@marvelbabe> i'd genuinely scumhunt
[11:46] <@Pasta> if he joined mafia
[11:46] <@Pasta> wouldn't he have flipped red
[11:46] <@Pasta> don't think he became part of their team
[11:48] <@Pasta> man, my mason partner is so scummy
[11:48] <@marvelbabe> no he hadn't joined
[11:48] <@marvelbabe> i'd bet a lot of money on that
[11:48] <@marvelbabe> lol who is your partner?
[11:48] <@Pasta> take a guess
[11:49] <@Pasta> no, not ft
[11:49] <@Pasta> anyway, I suspect FT is town now
[11:49] <@Pasta> from reading yamato
[11:50] <@marvelbabe> eh
[11:50] <@marvelbabe> there's a redcheck
[11:50] <@Pasta> WHAT
[11:50] <@Pasta> where's the redcheck
[11:51] <@Pasta> must be legit then
[11:51] <@Pasta> But I can't get out of my head that SlOosh is scum
[11:52] <@Pasta> and FT ended up on hi
[11:52] <@Pasta> m
[11:53] <@Pasta> lol it's from ace
[11:53] <@marvelbabe> yea...
[11:53] <@Pasta> you didn't seriously believe that
[11:53] <@marvelbabe> why not
[11:53] <@Pasta> come on marv
[11:54] <@marvelbabe> what?
[11:54] <@marvelbabe> he said he had a redcheck
[11:54] <@marvelbabe> i'm not going to assume he's lying
[11:54] <@Pasta> And will laugh his ass off if we follow it
[11:54] <@marvelbabe> i disagree.
[11:55] <@Pasta> well I'm not trusting that claim
[11:55] <@Pasta> do what you will
[11:56] <@Pasta> we will have to agree on disagreeing
[11:56] <@marvelbabe> i'm happy for a 1 for 1
[11:56] <@marvelbabe> with kholly as a further banker
[11:57] <@marvelbabe> i play mafia much simpler than you vivax :p
[11:58] <@Pasta> meaning the claimß
[11:58] <@Pasta> ?
[11:58] <@marvelbabe> yeah and in general
[11:58] <@marvelbabe> i conspiracy less
[11:59] <@marvelbabe> how exciting
[11:59] <@Pasta> good
[12:03] <@marvelbabe> so
[12:04] <@Pasta> guess u wanna know mine now
[12:04] <@Pasta> Also giving you the logs
[12:04] <@Pasta> but honestly
[12:05] <@Pasta> this guy either is genuinely quite non-caring about the game
[12:05] <@Pasta> or he doesn't have a straight story
[12:05] <@Pasta> you'll see
[12:05] <@Pasta> he also takes quite a while to respond to stuff
[12:05] <@Pasta> avoids some questions
[12:05] <@Pasta> telling you cause you don't see it in the chat maybew
[12:07] <@Pasta> SENT
[12:07] <@Pasta> now read it please
[12:09] <@marvelbabe> ok
[12:09] <@marvelbabe> just been carrying parcels, exhausting
[12:11] <@marvelbabe> oh koshi
[12:11] <@marvelbabe> i hadn't thought much of him
[12:13] <@marvelbabe> LOL
[12:13] <@marvelbabe> i like this from him tbh
[12:13] <@marvelbabe> [11:17] <@Pasta> when i asked for reads [11:17] <@Pasta> you didn't say ace [11:17] <Koshi> Ace and Malongo are just being jackasses [11:17] <Koshi> I don't know what to say [11:17] <@Pasta> don't you think jackasses can be scum? [11:17] <Koshi> Sure. But what else is there to say.
[12:13] <@Pasta> he had forgotten
[12:13] <@Pasta> he had pushed ve
[12:14] <@Pasta> but not voted for him
[12:14] <@Pasta> what guy forgets the people he made cases on
[12:15] <@marvelbabe> oh that's what that is
[12:15] <@marvelbabe> wait what
[12:16] <@marvelbabe> what timestamp?
[12:17] <@Pasta> 11:34
[12:17] <@marvelbabe> oh
[12:17] <@marvelbabe> not there yet
[12:17] <@marvelbabe> ok, no wonder my confusion :D
[12:19] <@marvelbabe> [11:40] <Koshi> Nha, at this point I understand that I am super pro town looking. So you asking me questions is always good. [11:40] <Koshi> not super pro town*
[12:19] <@marvelbabe> best typo
[12:20] <@marvelbabe> i still don't think he's scum
[12:20] <@marvelbabe> then again i didn't think yamato was scum either
[12:21] <@marvelbabe> i think i'm blinded by Nuclear to an extent
[12:22] <@marvelbabe> if he's town here, to an extent he's similar to me, which is unlike the large majority of people
[12:23] <@marvelbabe> vivax
[12:23] <@Pasta> meh
[12:23] <@Pasta> did he mason you
[12:24] <@marvelbabe> o
[12:24] <@marvelbabe> k
[12:24] <@marvelbabe> i ask because he just asked me about koshi
[12:25] <@marvelbabe> he said to me
[12:25] <@marvelbabe> that he thinks koshi looks bad but he doesn't think he's mafia
[12:26] <@marvelbabe> or precisely
[12:26] <@marvelbabe> "What are your thoughts on Koshi? His opening post was bad. His vote on Rayne was equally as bad. His followup list of reads were pretty terrible. And yet I cant help but feel like he may not actually be scum."
[12:28] <@Pasta> he needs the logs then
[12:28] <@Pasta> kinda weird for koshi to pick me as mason partner if he's scum though
[12:28] <@Pasta> idk
[12:29] <@Pasta> there are probably lazier targets
[12:29] <@Pasta> who aren't as active at asking questions
[12:29] <@marvelbabe> yeah
[12:29] <@marvelbabe> i think you're a particularly terrible choice for a scummer
[12:29] <@marvelbabe> because you're relentless :p
[12:34] <@marvelbabe> then again koshi may be too new to know that
[12:34] <@marvelbabe> although i guess scum would discuss their mason targets
[12:34] <@marvelbabe> i wonder if at some indeterminate point in the game, everyone should be saying who they masoned
[12:36] <@marvelbabe> "And I think I like Koshi a lot better after reading that. He seems genuinely lost, which is understandable in this environment."
[12:37] <@Pasta> you two didn't see how he hesitates though
[12:37] <@Pasta> didn't look at all like he would talk of stuff he finds interesting
[12:37] <@Pasta> on his own
[12:38] <@Pasta> im really not sure what to make of this ace claim
[12:38] <@Pasta> the guy says you should never claim as dt
[12:39] <@Pasta> imo he just wants to do the same shit as in roulette
[12:39] <@Pasta> for super insane mode, maybe he does it on his scumbuddy
[12:39] <@Pasta> lol
[12:39] <@marvelbabe> it's possible
[12:39] <@marvelbabe> naw
[12:39] <@marvelbabe> ace would never do that
[12:39] <@Pasta> but he's not trusted
[12:39] <@Pasta> he knows it
[12:39] <@marvelbabe> you're right, it IS a possibility that he's pulling a Roulette
[12:40] <@marvelbabe> but if I can hit FT + Ace + Kholly in the next 3 lynches
[12:40] <@marvelbabe> and hit 2 mafia
[12:40] <@marvelbabe> that's just dandy
[12:40] <@marvelbabe> with yamato/hiro dying
[12:40] <@marvelbabe> we're in a decent spot
[12:40] <@Pasta> wtf happened there
[12:40] <@Pasta> i still don't get it
[12:40] <@Pasta> some super leet vigi
[12:41] <@marvelbabe> yeah
[12:42] <@marvelbabe> like i said in thread
[12:42] <@marvelbabe> i think it'd be hilarious if hiro was a scumhit
[12:42] <@Pasta> yeah
[12:42] <@Pasta> maybe scum decided to hit him once they saw the logs I passed to you
[12:42] <@Pasta>
[12:43] <@marvelbabe> lol
[12:43] <@marvelbabe> that must be it.
[12:44] <@Pasta> yes
[12:44] <@Pasta> Iknew it all along
[12:44] <@Pasta> it's always you marv
[12:44] <@Pasta> pulling the strings
[12:44] <@marvelbabe>
[12:45] <@marvelbabe> i am a good string puller
[12:45] <@Pasta> wish I knew what that menas
[12:45] <@marvelbabe> lol
[12:45] <@marvelbabe> it means i'm good at organising/planning as mafia
[12:45] <@Pasta> ah ok
[12:45] <@Pasta> yeah well
[12:45] <@Pasta> unless you got chez in team
[12:45] <@Pasta> he does what he pleases
[12:46] <@marvelbabe> i've had chez on my team
[12:46] <@marvelbabe> and a totally inactive talis
[12:46] <@Pasta> im sorry for that
[12:46] <@marvelbabe> i won easily obvs
[12:46] <@Pasta> lol
[12:46] <@marvelbabe> but no help from those 2
[12:46] <@marvelbabe> Chez is really good fun in scumQT
[12:46] <@marvelbabe> but useless in thread
[12:46] <@marvelbabe> he basically just did last-minute votes
[12:47] <@marvelbabe> talis just afk-ed
[12:47] <@marvelbabe> managed to keep talis alive until day 4 and chez survived to endgame with me
[12:48] <@Pasta> you manage to keep thread presence without taking responsibility very well
[12:48] <@Pasta> or better
[12:48] <@Pasta> without getting your hands too dirty
[12:49] <@Pasta> anyway
[12:49] <@Pasta> i wanna talk to wiggles
[12:49] <@Pasta> he disappeared
[12:49] <@marvelbabe> what do you think of Korynne?
[12:50] <@marvelbabe> i'm leaning dumb townie
[12:50] <@Pasta> i said something about him
[12:50] <@Pasta> i found his entrance townie
[12:50] <@Pasta> it was during N1
[12:50] <@marvelbabe> oh it was you i talked to about him
[12:50] <@marvelbabe> couldn't remember if it was you or gumshoe
[12:50] <@Pasta> ill send you the logs
[12:50] <@marvelbabe> did he get off his rayn tunnel yet?
[12:51] <@marvelbabe> didn't really read his last post
[12:51] <@Pasta> idk
[12:52] <@Pasta> sent logs
[12:52] <@marvelbabe> god
[12:52] <@marvelbabe> we talked a lot
[12:53] <@marvelbabe> there's some missing at the end?
[12:53] <@Pasta> well, today's
[12:53] <@marvelbabe> no
[12:53] <@marvelbabe> there was more last night
[12:53] <@Pasta> didn't it stop with me sending logs to hiro?
[12:53] <@Pasta> I recall it being the last stuff
[12:53] <@marvelbabe> nay
[12:54] <@marvelbabe> nono
[12:54] <@Pasta> sigh
[12:54] <@marvelbabe> [17:37] <marvelbabe> I feel like i'm missing something important
[12:54] <@marvelbabe> because after that
[12:54] <@marvelbabe> i remember what it was
[12:54] <@marvelbabe> talked about that
[12:54] <@marvelbabe> then we talked more about what hiro was saying
[12:54] <@marvelbabe> it's not the end of the world, that's the meat of it
[12:54] <@Pasta> oh yeah
[12:54] <@Pasta> i got it
[12:54] <@Pasta> somehow didn't get selected
[12:55] <@Pasta> sent
[12:55] <@marvelbabe> cool
[12:55] <@marvelbabe> my memory isn't gash after all lol
[12:56] <@Pasta> I miss my old memory
[12:56] <@Pasta> already feeling old just for that
[12:56] <@Pasta> at 24
[12:57] <@marvelbabe> yeah
[12:57] <@marvelbabe> 28 T.T
[12:57] <@marvelbabe> kinda funny
[12:58] <@marvelbabe> quite a few of the "older" players like you, me, VE, Palmar play kinda crazy
[12:59] <@Pasta> most play crazy to some extent
[12:59] <@Pasta> I'm not aware of the average age
[13:00] <@marvelbabe> me neither
[13:00] <@marvelbabe> but quite a few teenagers i think
[13:00] <@Pasta> I think axle is an interesting guy
[13:00] <@Pasta> the guy always writes short sketches
[13:00] <@marvelbabe> axle is amazing
[13:01] <@marvelbabe> his writing gives me tingles lol
[13:01] <@Pasta> yeah :D
[13:01] <@marvelbabe> read one of his epically long posts
[13:01] <@marvelbabe> and hope there's another to follow
[13:01] <@marvelbabe> i could read them all day lol
[13:01] <@marvelbabe> and he's actually becoming quite decent at mafia
[13:02] <@Pasta> I thought he was some insane drunkard
[13:02] <@Pasta> first time I saw him
[13:02] <@Pasta> when he was scum
[13:02] <@Pasta> lots of mistakes
[13:02] <@Pasta> now he's becoming some sort of pro writer
[13:02] <@Pasta> and also plays well
[13:02] <@marvelbabe> ye
[13:02] <@marvelbabe> did you see his first newbie game as town?
[13:02] <@Pasta> nah
[13:02] <@marvelbabe> best thing ever
[13:03] <@marvelbabe> he made extensive cases on the hosts
[13:03] <@Pasta> hhaha
[13:03] <@marvelbabe> not even joking
[13:03] <@Pasta> need to check that out
[13:03] <@marvelbabe> he decided everyone was town
[13:03] <@marvelbabe> so the hosts must be the mafia
[13:04] <@marvelbabe> trying to remember what batch of newbie numbers he was around
[13:04] <@marvelbabe> sometime around 30 maybe
[13:17] <@Pasta> Tell me if you think this is scum-scum please
[13:17] <@Pasta> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=414884&currentpage=18#341
[13:20] <@marvelbabe> hmm
[13:20] <@marvelbabe> first paragraph seems more like scum-town, second more like scum-scum
[13:28] <@Pasta> should have catched yamato right there
[13:28] <@Pasta> has MZ as scum
[13:28] <@Pasta> asks FT to read Oats
[13:28] <@Pasta> completely random
[13:29] <@marvelbabe> easy in hindsight my dear
[13:29] <@marvelbabe> at the time you can always rationalise it away
[13:29] <@marvelbabe> pretty sure you could find plenty of townies doing equally weird things
[13:29] <@Pasta> yeah, it's pure hindisght
[13:30] <@Pasta> but tells us what we have to look for
[13:30] <@Pasta> in parrt
[13:30] <@Pasta> people who don't seem to value their own scumreads
[13:30] <@Pasta> koshi's stuff with VE is basically analogous
[13:32] <@marvelbabe> that's not correct logic
[13:32] <@marvelbabe> because one scum person did something doesn't mean it's a scumteam-s mantra
[13:33] <@Pasta> this is getting somewhat into our heuristics
[13:33] <@Pasta> but scum make their shit up
[13:33] <@Pasta> they lack conviction behind it
[13:33] <@Pasta> and might make the mistake to forget their later play to their previous reads
[13:33] <@Pasta> to forgoet to adapt*
[13:34] <@Pasta> if you pushed VE but decided not to vote him for some reason
[13:34] <@Pasta> and later I ask you
[13:34] <@Pasta> "Can you think of guys posting arguments against VE but not voting for him"?
[13:34] <@Pasta> and you reply "Nah idk"
[13:35] <@Pasta> It means you don't rememeber your previous attitude
[13:35] <@Pasta> scum doesn't have real attitudes
[13:35] <@marvelbabe> or it means he didn't view himself that way
[13:36] <@Pasta> I also don't understand
[13:37] <@Pasta> he posted arguments for VE being scum
[13:37] <@Pasta> usually, when it turns out you're wrong, that leaves you some justification for the guy being lynched
[13:37] <@Pasta> or better
[13:38] <@Pasta> even if VE was mislynched, he should have been at least a little of the opinion that the guys lynching him had some point
[13:38] <@marvelbabe> :/
[13:38] <@marvelbabe> i'm not getting any of this
[13:38] <@marvelbabe> i think he's fine
[13:38] <@Pasta> well he posted arguments for VE being scum
[13:38] <@Pasta> but doesn't see where the guys lynching him come from
[13:39] <@Pasta> and agrees that it was a scum bandwagon
[13:39] <@marvelbabe> if he's scum then he's magically taken the 100% opposite attitude to the other game where he's scum
[13:39] <@marvelbabe> so he's not very interesting to me right now
[13:39] <@Pasta> not reading that game
[13:39] <@Pasta> might do
[13:39] <@Pasta> Other thing:
[13:40] <@Pasta> He thinks FT is scum
[13:40] <@Pasta> So I ask him about SlOosh
[13:40] <@Pasta> cause he agrees that scum was on VE
[13:40] <@Pasta> but FT was on SlOosh!
[13:40] <@marvelbabe> so????
[13:40] <@Pasta> He doesn't use that to get a read on sloosh
[13:41] <@Pasta> like
[13:41] <@Pasta> "It's unlikely scum would end on scum when they could lynch the vig"
[13:42] <@marvelbabe> ok
[13:42] <@Pasta> I miss the thinking process I would expect from a townie with those reads
[13:42] <@marvelbabe> i think you miss YOUR thinking process
[13:43] <@Pasta> i might not explain it well
[13:43] <@marvelbabe> you explain it fine
[13:43] <@marvelbabe> i just don't attach what you attach to it
[13:43] <@marvelbabe> i'm sitting here going "meh... maaaaaybe... but eh"
[13:57] <@Pasta> marv
[13:58] <@Pasta> tell DrH to not get modkilled with all his posting please
[13:58] <@marvelbabe> viv
[13:58] <@marvelbabe> haha
[13:58] <@marvelbabe> ok
[13:58] <@Pasta> btw
[13:58] <@Pasta> I see you're in another channel
[13:58] <@Pasta> im not entering it
[13:58] <@Pasta> but they can enter here
[13:58] <@marvelbabe> yeah i know
[13:58] <@marvelbabe> i'm less paranoid than you though
[14:00] <@Pasta> btw, Oats stopped derping
[14:00] <@Pasta> he became a ghost
[14:00] <@Pasta> not good
[14:00] <@marvelbabe> agreed
[14:00] <@marvelbabe> this should be his online time
[14:54] <@Pasta> Dunno why gumshoe claims he saved somebody
[14:54] <@Pasta> how is he supposed to know
[14:54] <@marvelbabe> mm
[14:55] <@marvelbabe> dunno why he's typing anytihng about it at all
[14:55] <@Pasta> well it's against the rules
[14:55] <@Pasta> but it makes no difference
[14:55] <@Pasta> I don't think he gets a notification if he was 1st target or just bg
[14:56] <@marvelbabe> was speculating that it would be awesome if he protected someone and mafia shot gumshoe + that person
[14:56] <@Pasta> well that sounds smart
[14:56] <@Pasta> bodyguard role sucks tbh
[14:56] <@marvelbabe> good for weak townies
[14:56] <@Pasta> well I'll miss gumshoe
[14:56] <@Pasta> you masoned him though
[14:57] <@Pasta> iirc
[14:57] <@marvelbabe> ye
[14:57] <@marvelbabe> aye
[14:57] <@Pasta> might wanna post
[14:57] <@marvelbabe> that would take effort
[14:57] <@marvelbabe> like an arse
[14:57] <@marvelbabe> gumshoe would reply BELOW the quote string
[14:58] <@marvelbabe> so the replies go like top-bottom-top-bottom rather than in order
[15:00] <@marvelbabe> he liked s&b for mafia
[15:00] <@marvelbabe> i tried to convince him on FT, i think i managed it
[15:00] <@marvelbabe> he liked kholly best like me
[15:01] <@Pasta> gotta look what he wanted before that nk
[15:02] <@Pasta> didn't do that yet
[15:02] <@Pasta> can't I get you warm for an S & B lynch
[15:02] <@Pasta> we don't have triple lynch obviously
[15:02] <@Pasta> I wish we had
[15:02] <@Pasta> need to organize the order
[15:03] <@marvelbabe> i might be ok with s&b in later days
[15:03] <@marvelbabe> can't think of good reasons he's town at any rate
[15:04] <@marvelbabe> given he attacked ace quite heavily recently
[15:04] <@marvelbabe> i wonder how he'll respond to the redcheck
[15:06] <@marvelbabe> game is too sloooooow
[15:38] <@Pasta> I'm curious how FT reacts to the checlk
[15:38] <@Pasta> maybe he'll only dare coming out if there's someone lending him a hand
[15:38] <@Pasta> mostly a townie
[15:38] <@Pasta> I'm playing with the thought of joining the wagon now
[15:38] <@Pasta> in spite of all doubts
[15:39] <@Pasta> but I also want to put him into a situation where he can show his alignment
[15:39] <@Pasta> more clearly
[15:39] <@marvelbabe> yeah
[15:39] <@marvelbabe> i like wait-and-see
[15:57] <@marvelbabe> huh
[15:57] <@marvelbabe> that post from s&b
[15:59] <@marvelbabe> hmm
[15:59] <@marvelbabe> it does have precedent
[16:03] <@Pasta> what
[16:05] <@marvelbabe> i thought when i was reading it that he was suddenly jumping on tofu
[16:05] <@marvelbabe> but his previous posts show him trending that way
[16:05] <@marvelbabe> interesting that he intermingles it with doubt of ace's claim
[16:06] <@marvelbabe> i wonder what that menas
[16:06] <@marvelbabe> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=414884&currentpage=28#545
[16:06] <@marvelbabe> any thoughts about that post?
[16:08] <@marvelbabe> just reading the Oats-VE PMs as well
[16:09] <@marvelbabe> "Original Message From VisceraEyes: So you wasted one of your PM choices just to tell me that I'm totes scum? Well not only are you wrong, but you're an idiot for doing that. So idiotic in fact that you couldn't possibly be scum, so I guess there's that."
[16:10] <@marvelbabe> I'd quite like to know exactly why Oats masoned VE
[16:16] <@Pasta> He said earlier also
[16:16] <@Pasta> VE and yamato can't both be scum
[16:16] <@Pasta> This feels a lot like scumOats
[16:17] <@Pasta> He even bit at the post I made look terrible during the night
[16:17] <@Pasta> and then he's absent
[16:17] <@Pasta> I'm curious to see if I can lure him out with minimal pressure
[16:31] <Pizza> lost connection
[16:31] <Pizza> but saved the logs this time
[16:31] <Pizza> did you reply anything
[16:32] <@marvelbabe> noes
[16:51] <@marvelbabe> er
[16:51] <Pizza> pretty much ignored him so far
[16:51] <@marvelbabe> i think he's town tbh
[16:51] <@marvelbabe> don't think he'd call me mafia as mafia
[16:51] <Pizza> and the HOW he got to that?
[16:51] <@marvelbabe> er
[16:52] <@marvelbabe> no idea
[16:52] <Pizza> lol
[16:52] <@marvelbabe> where can i host text stuff?
[16:52] <Pizza> text stuff?
[16:52] <@marvelbabe> yeah
[16:52] <Pizza> host?
[16:52] <Pizza> or post
[16:52] <@marvelbabe> how do i show you logs
[16:52] <Pizza> oh
[16:52] <Pizza> there are online notepads
[16:52] <Pizza> or send me per pm
[16:53] <@marvelbabe> how terribly non-specific
[16:53] <Pizza> ok ok
[16:53] <@marvelbabe> ooh
[16:53] <@marvelbabe> obviously
[16:53] <@marvelbabe> i'm being stupid
[16:53] <@marvelbabe> PM
[16:56] <@Pizza> well just his first pm
[16:56] <@Pizza> looks pretty townie
[16:56] <@Pizza> where he tells you u sat on your ass
[16:56] <@marvelbabe> yeah i think he's town
[16:56] <@marvelbabe> just cba to put up with this shit
[16:56] <@marvelbabe> *his, not this
[16:57] <@Pizza> lol geript doin votecounts now
[16:57] <@marvelbabe> yes
[16:57] <@marvelbabe> i was wondering wtf was going on there
[17:00] <@marvelbabe> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=414884&currentpage=35#685
[17:00] <@marvelbabe> i have no idea what's going on anymore
[17:00] <@marvelbabe> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=421551&currentpage=3#60
[17:03] <@Pizza> I have no idea why you trusted ace's claim in the first place
[17:03] <@Pizza> but I guess it makes sense when you're so sure FT is scum
[17:03] <@Pizza> So many people to lynch
[17:03] <@Pizza> I'd put ace on top today
[17:03] <@Pizza> with the others i mean
[17:05] <@marvelbabe> i don't think ace is mafia
[17:05] <@marvelbabe> i think he's a cock
[17:08] <@Pizza> sigh
[17:08] <@Pizza> i want my mason back
[17:08] <@marvelbabe> so
[17:08] <@Pizza> where the fuck is wiggles
[17:09] <@marvelbabe> lol
[17:09] <@marvelbabe> ye
[17:09] <@marvelbabe> we just kill kholly now?
[17:09] <@Pizza> likely
[17:09] <@Pizza> would be my choice
[17:09] <@Pizza> this ft story is interesting
[17:09] <@Pizza> S & B's vote
[17:09] <@Pizza> waiting for him to reply
[17:09] <@Pizza> to my questions
[17:10] <@Pizza> im flexible
[17:10] <@marvelbabe> Ace should be shot for introducing complications into a game with a 20 post limit
[17:10] <@Pizza> ace should be shot period
[17:10] <@Pizza> for dicking
[17:10] <@Pizza> but we're out of vigis i suppose
[17:11] <@Pizza> maybe there's SK though
[17:11] <@mFarvelbabe> i wish i were a 4-shot dayvigi
[17:12] <@marvelbabe> maybe
[17:12] <@marvelbabe> i did muse that hiro could have been an SK shot
[17:12] <@marvelbabe> but then i thought SK doesn't fit with the traitor theme so much and 6 mafia + traitor + SK sounds super harsh O.o
[17:13] <@Pizza> bluesnipe maybe
[17:13] <@Pizza> he was quite quiet
[17:14] <@Pizza> well not that it helps
[17:14] <@marvelbabe> naw
[17:14] <@marvelbabe> can't believe it was a bluesnipe
[17:16] <@Pizza> well, it was a goof
[17:16] <@Pizza> yay
[17:17] <@Pizza> Man
[17:17] <@Pizza> S & B is SO scummy
[17:17] <@Pizza> it's his whole way of "scumhunting" that rubs me the wrong way
[17:18] <@Pizza> I don't see a real drive behind his posts
[17:19] <@marvelbabe> lemme find what i said to gumshoe
[17:19] <@marvelbabe> "I meant the opposite with the too clean thing. I meant too clean for a townie, potentially. I read his posts and they're fine and all but that's just it, they're ok. Nothing stirs me one way or another and that's always a worrying sign because townies are usually more annoying/opinionated/whatever."
[17:21] <@Pizza> precisely
[17:21] <@Pizza> he's not opinionated
[17:21] <@Pizza> he tries to look like he cares
[17:21] <@Pizza> does what he has to do
[17:22] <@Pizza> but with no passion
[17:22] <@marvelbabe> it's robotic
[17:22] <@marvelbabe> i know what you mean
[17:22] <@Pizza> like people who marry
[17:22] <@Pizza> that's how scum plays
[17:22] <@marvelbabe> LOL
[17:22] <@marvelbabe> that's amazing
[17:30] <@Pizza> Didn't realize FT already replied
[17:30] <@Pizza> reading thread helps sometimes
[17:31] <@Pizza> I don't actually like that response
[17:31] <@Pizza> cause FT drops everything else
[17:31] <@marvelbabe> yeah
[17:31] <@marvelbabe> i went back and checked earlier
[17:32] <@Pizza> If he knew he was innocent
[17:32] <@marvelbabe> didn't know how i felt about it
[17:32] <@Pizza> could have simply stayed in thread
[17:32] <@Pizza> keep scumhunting
[17:32] <@marvelbabe> then he would be kicking and screaming about it right
[17:32] <@Pizza> instead he drops and runs
[17:32] <@Pizza> well that's enough I think
[17:32] <@marvelbabe> yeah
[17:32] <@Pizza> gonna vote him
[17:33] <@Pizza> he announced tho
[17:33] <@Pizza> I will make it a point to not waste time defending myself because ultimately, it is just my word against Ace's. If town votes me, I'm not sure what I can do to stop it. I'm going to post all my updated reads(town included this time) and y'all can make the best use of it.
[17:33] <@Pizza> we're waiting on that
[17:33] <@Pizza> basically
[17:33] <@marvelbabe> you prefer FT to kholly?
[17:33] <@Pizza> depends on the follow-up
[17:34] <@Pizza> FT gives us more information tho
[17:34] <@Pizza> probably wiser
[17:34] <@Pizza> but ace just said he fakeclaimed lol
[17:34] <@Pizza> man this game
[17:35] <@marvelbabe> so
[17:35] <@marvelbabe> oats has been talking to rayn in mason today
[17:35] <@marvelbabe> but not in thread
[17:41] <@marvelbabe> ok
[17:41] <@Pizza> yeah don't worry
[17:41] <@Pizza> got it
[17:56] <@Pizza> oh right there's also Vayne
[17:56] <@marvelbabe> yeah
[17:56] <@marvelbabe> i had him as town quite early
[17:56] <@Pizza> ok
[17:56] <@marvelbabe> can't remember why
[17:56] <@Pizza> had a similar feeling
[17:56] <@Pizza> but similarly to oats
[17:56] <@Pizza> he's so inactive
[17:56] <@marvelbabe> i remember having a reaction to kholly's post
[17:56] <@marvelbabe> thinking all these dudes look town
[17:57] <@marvelbabe> and vayne was one of them
[17:57] <@Pizza> should probably not judge by activity though
[17:57] <@Pizza> in a mason game
[17:57] <@Pizza> i wonder if FT is masoned
[17:57] <@Pizza> did he claim anything yet?
[17:58] <@marvelbabe> not that i remember
[17:58] <@marvelbabe> fairly sure he hasn't
[17:59] <@Pizza> scumpoints
[18:00] <@Pizza> if he didnt mason anyone
[18:00] <@marvelbabe> it would be almost unbelievable if he didn't
[18:03] <@marvelbabe> viv
[18:03] <@Pizza> yeah
[18:04] <@marvelbabe> oki
[18:05] <@marvelbabe> you think we should get FT to tell us who he's masoned with at some point?
[18:05] <@marvelbabe> some logs might be nice.
[18:09] <@Pizza> I don't like at all how S & B disappeared
[18:09] <@marvelbabe> the perils of working for CERN
[18:09] <@Pizza> wtf
[18:09] <@marvelbabe> what?
[18:10] <@Pizza> is he a physics dude
[18:10] <@Pizza> also called physics
[18:10] <@marvelbabe> yeah something like that
[18:10] <@Pizza> one more reason to lynch him
[18:10] <@marvelbabe> like he lives in america i think
[18:10] <@marvelbabe> but he goes over to switzerland to work sometimes
[18:11] <@Pizza> anyway
[18:11] <@Pizza> I kinda skimmed over tofu again
[18:11] <@Pizza> I think he puts himself too much out there
[18:11] <@Pizza> for being scum
[18:12] <@marvelbabe> meh
[18:16] <Pizza_> connection problem again
[18:16] <Pizza_> anyway
[18:16] <Pizza_> that guy posts too much
[18:16] <Pizza_> and it looks genuine
[18:17] <Pizza_> he does lots of mistakes
[18:17] <Pizza_> not robotic atg all
[18:18] <Pizza_> We talked about his exaggerations
[18:18] <Pizza_> his inconsistencies
[18:18] <Pizza_> but as you said
[18:18] <@Pizza_> there are people who seem to do everything right
[18:19] <@Pizza_> who don't stand out
[18:19] <@marvelbabe> i still think he's scum

[16:09] <Viv> hi
[16:09] <Viv> sent u a pm
[16:09] <Viv> wiggles also gives me a feeling of meh
[16:10] <Viv> but he wants to lyanch layabout
[16:10] <Viv> could be a concertated bus
[16:10] <Viv> but he's secondary for now
[16:10] <Viv> lynching into layabout, kholly, S & B has priority imo
[16:10] <Viv> since there's this connection component on sloosh I'd not lynch him first
[16:10] <Viv> but layabout clearly did lots of sucmmy stuff
[16:12] <@marvellosity> oh
[16:12] <@marvellosity> sorry i just PMed you
[16:12] <@marvellosity> yes i agree
[16:13] <@marvellosity> if wiggles wants to lynch layabout that's good
[16:13] <@marvellosity> i'd rather he did some concerted stuff in thread tho
[16:14] <@marvellosity> kinda curious what DrH has to say now
[16:14] <@marvellosity> after Ace said his check was fake I told him I preferred kholly to FT and he didn't respond yet
[16:17] <Viv> kudos if he's scum
[16:17] <Viv> don't think so though
[16:17] <@marvellosity> me neither
[16:19] <@marvellosity> so far we've lost our vigi, day-vigi and jailkeeper through collective idiocy
[16:19] <@marvellosity> quite unamusing
[16:19] <Viv> this day
[16:20] <Viv> I cried out when I saw the jk posting his role pm
[16:20] <@marvellosity> ya
[16:20] <Viv> he might actually have had an influence on what happened tonight
[16:20] <@marvellosity> lynch is tonight right
[16:20] <Viv> yeah
[16:20] <Viv> I wonder what kholly will say to the dt stuff
[16:21] <Viv> i suppose he'll claim someone claimed DT to him in the pm
[16:21] <Viv> but he can't reveal him
[16:21] <Viv> seems like some stunt a scum chez would pull off
[16:21] <@marvellosity> probably
[16:21] <@marvellosity> all his posts are vom-worthy
[16:21] <Viv> he likes such strats
[16:21] <Viv> we wanted to fake an obs qt in LX
[16:21] <@marvellosity> lol
[16:21] <Viv> and simulate
[16:21] <Viv> an irc infiltration
[16:22] <@marvellosity> haha
[16:22] <Viv> we had very different opinions on how to do it
[16:22] <Viv> so we ended up not doing it
[16:22] <@marvellosity> his PMs to gumshoe this game reminded me so much of LIX
[16:22] <Viv> ^^#
[16:23] <Viv> well, it's chez
[16:23] <@marvellosity> i'm going to a play + drinking this evening
[16:23] <Viv> at the end of the day
[16:23] <Viv> lynch him, see what happens
[16:23] <Viv> wtf is play + drinking
[16:23] <@marvellosity> so you need to make sure people don't vote outside chez-layabout
[16:23] <Viv> ok
[16:23] <@marvellosity> er
[16:23] <@marvellosity> a theatre production
[16:23] <@marvellosity> then out for drinks after
[16:23] <Viv> you go play?
[16:23] <Viv> or watch
[16:24] <@marvellosity> a show at the theatre is called a play
[16:24] <Viv> ah ok
[16:24] <@marvellosity> like
[16:24] <@marvellosity> i think rayn's MZ vote is awful
[16:24] <Viv> yeah
[16:25] <@marvellosity> there's no particular reason to think MZ is mafia that i can tell
[16:25] <Viv> but don't think he scum
[16:25] <Viv> he'll need some persuasion
[16:25] <@marvellosity> yeah
[16:25] <Viv> what yamato said about MZ
[16:25] <Viv> and see what he says
[16:25] <@marvellosity> well
[16:25] <Viv> oh it's through him
[16:26] <@marvellosity> ye
[16:26] <Viv> kush defended Tofu kinda
[20:40] <marvellosity> brb 3 mins
[20:40] <marvellosity> just going for smoke
[20:40] <@viv> In chat yesterday you said you'd lynch layabout instantly if you could. Why do you pick SlOosh now that I actually found a piece of evidence about layabout that's one of the most damning pieces in my cases?
[20:40] <@viv> sent this to wiggles
[20:40] <@viv> before you wrote me
[20:40] <@viv> i have dinner soon
[20:40] <@viv> with the "family"
[20:40] <@viv> :d
[20:42] <@viv> Wiggles wrote this
[20:42] <@viv> I feel like the case on Sloosh is strong as well. I also don't think MZ is a good lynch, and it feels like there's more support from the people I think are town for a sloosh lynch compared to a layabout lynch. I'd be alright lynching either, but I feel Sloosh is now the better choice for today's lynch. It will also give us more information based on what happened Day 1.
[20:43] <@viv> btw im dumb
[20:43] <@viv> JP was sharrant
[20:43] <@viv> not wiggles
[20:43] <marvellosity> yo
[20:43] <marvellosity> yeah that's why i asked
[20:44] <marvellosity> it seemed off to me but i couldn't say so in the thread without outing us
[20:44] <marvellosity> because i know from your point of view sloosh isn't the #1 lynch i don't think (behind layabout or kholly) and yet after all that mason talk he's come out swinging for sloosh
[20:44] <marvellosity> has he mentioned kholly at all???
[20:44] <@viv> well, check the logs i posted
[20:44] <@viv> the second ones are with wig
[20:44] <@viv> or the 1st
[20:45] <@viv> the not-koshui
[20:45] <@viv> he asks me about kholly i think
[20:45] <@viv> at some point
[20:46] <marvellosity> ok
[20:47] <marvellosity> the thing that gets me right
[20:47] <marvellosity> is that Wiggles is properly old-school
[20:47] <marvellosity> so he should have a REALLY FIRM OPINION on chez.
[20:47] <marvellosity> you see what i'm saying?
[20:48] <@viv> yeah
[20:48] <@viv> check this
[20:48] <@viv> [20:45] <@Viv> heya [20:45] <Wigglwa> hey [20:46] <@Viv> so, what's up [20:46] <@Viv> what's your current view on the game [20:46] <Wigglwa> it got pretty silly pretty fast [20:46] <@Viv> lol yeah [20:46] <Wigglwa> too many people trying to troll [20:46] <@Viv> that modkill was so sad [20:46] <Wigglwa> yeah [20:46] <@Viv> hurts to turn out right like that [20:47] <Wigglwa> then we lost another town slot [20:47] <Wigglwa> and i feel vayne is town [20:47] <@Viv> me to
[20:48] <@viv> wait
[20:48] <@viv> sending pm
[20:48] <@viv> here it's a pain
[20:49] <marvellosity> haha ok
[20:49] <@viv> meh
[20:49] <@viv> he just seemed to knowvayne would be replaced
[20:49] <@viv> that kinda hit me
[20:49] <@viv> but it's probably overreacting
[20:50] <marvellosity> i'm much more interested in his chez point of view to be honest.
[20:50] <marvellosity> nothing to read into the replacement
[20:50] <marvellosity> vayne was banned from TL
[20:50] <marvellosity> so
[20:50] <marvellosity> assuming he would be replaced was fair
[20:50] <@viv> i saw how he was banned
[20:50] <@viv> kinda harsh
[20:50] <@viv> must be a repeated offense
[20:51] <@viv> usually you get a warning for that first
[20:52] <marvellosity> he's a repeated prick elsewhere on the forums
[20:52] <@viv> that explains it then
[20:52] <marvellosity> he spent about 20 posts bashing all the blue strategyt posters in the SC2 protoss help thread a few weeks ago
[20:52] <marvellosity> got a ban for that
[20:53] <@viv> I'm pulling chez information from wiggles atm
[20:53] <@viv> he seems kinda hesitant
[20:54] <@viv> doesn't seem keen at all
[20:54] <@viv> to lynch chez
[20:54] <marvellosity> how can he be hesitant
[20:54] <@viv> but claims he would
[20:54] <@viv> sent you a pm
[20:54] <marvellosity> he's played with him 100 times
[20:54] <marvellosity> find out why he doesn't want to lynch him
[20:54] <marvellosity> ah
[20:54] <marvellosity> try to find out why he's umming and ahhing
[20:55] <marvellosity> ugh
[20:55] <marvellosity> do you remember LIX?
[20:55] <marvellosity> when bugs was really sure about Chez?
[20:56] <@viv> yeah
[20:56] <marvellosity> by comparison wiggles being so weak here
[20:56] <marvellosity> hard to tell if it;s because he's being bad or scum or somehow just doesn't know
[20:56] <marvellosity> i dunno
[20:57] <@viv> brb dinner
[20:58] <@viv> new pm inc
[20:59] <marvellosity> ok
[20:59] <marvellosity> i have dinner then also will be going out and shit
[20:59] <marvellosity> i'm hoping to get online later, but that's dependent on how drunk i'll be later
[21:00] <@viv> arv
[21:00] <@viv> what tells me
[21:00] <@viv> you simply don't want to lynch sloosh
[21:00] <@viv> like
[21:00] <@viv> would be nice to have your opinion on that too
[21:00] <@viv> you're pulling my strings right now
[21:01] <@viv> feelsbadman
[21:02] <marvellosity> ?
[21:02] <@viv> like
[21:02] <marvellosity> i think layabout and kholly especially are much better lynches
[21:02] <marvellosity> sry if i don't want to lynch everyone at once
[21:02] <marvellosity> you said yourself sloosh had connections to him
[21:02] <marvellosity> anyway i literally have to go
[21:03] <@viv> ah well
[21:03] <@viv> guess I'll try to push a chez lynch
[21:03] <@viv> with that fakeclaim it's probably a safe scum hit
[21:03] <@viv> HF
[21:03] <marvellosity> if you're gonna start going paranoid on me btw
[21:03] <marvellosity> let me know
[21:03] <@viv> well, you'll notice
[21:03] <@viv> lol
[21:04] <marvellosity> i can't help wanting to lynch some people more than others
[21:04] <marvellosity> that's just how the game work
[21:04] <marvellosity> s
[21:04] <marvellosity> and if you somehow believe we've had these massive conversations and i'm mafia then you're craycray
[21:04] <marvellosity> toodles x


[13:45] <viv_> Hey
[13:45] <viv_> that pardon
[13:45] <viv_> kinda makes sloosh confirmed scum
[13:46] <viv_> u here
[13:46] <marvellosity_> pretty much
[13:46] <viv_> good
[13:46] <viv_> and that also makes s & B
[13:46] <viv_> pretty much surely scum
[13:46] <viv_> still no logs from the two
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[13:47] <marvellosity_> yeh,
[13:47] <viv_> btw how was your night
[13:47] <viv_> do you remember anything
[13:47] <marvellosity_> the show was unexpectedly hilarious
[13:47] <marvellosity_> so that was good
[13:47] <marvellosity_> and managed to avoid drinking too much for once
[13:48] <viv_> nice
[13:48] <viv_> wiggles rubs me really the wrong way now
[13:48] <marvellosity_> not entirely sure if i came back and did any mafia
[13:48] <marvellosity_> well
[13:48] <marvellosity_> Wiggles keeps not being connected with the game
[13:48] <viv_> he also tends to simply disappear from the chat, although still being in it
[13:49] <viv_> at some point i end up talking with myself
[13:49] <marvellosity_> lol
[13:49] <marvellosity_> i'm rtying to remember what he was like when i was in a mafia team with him
[13:49] <viv_> i write like 80 % of the stuff
[13:49] <viv_> and he never writes stuff on his own
[13:49] <viv_> he doesn't want to know shit from me
[13:49] <marvellosity_> mm
[13:50] <marvellosity_> the thing is right
[13:50] <marvellosity_> everyone can't be scum
[13:50] <marvellosity_> lol
[13:50] <viv_> well
[13:50] <marvellosity_> let's see
[13:51] <marvellosity_> yamato/sloosh/s&b/kholly/layabout/wiggles?
[13:51] <marvellosity_> adam/malongo/MZ maybe in outside spots
[13:51] <marvellosity_> rofl
[13:52] <marvellosity_> did you see Koshi's good cop/bad cop comment
[13:52] <marvellosity_> that made me laugh
[13:52] <viv_> lol
[13:52] <viv_> I'm actually not that sure about kholly anymore
[13:53] <viv_> would lynch him last+
[13:53] <viv_> talked with koshi about him
[13:53] <marvellosity_> i've seen nothing as to why he would be town
[13:53] <marvellosity_> nothing at all
[13:53] <viv_> well
[13:53] <viv_> His vote was shit
[13:53] <viv_> the switch
[13:53] <viv_> and he trolls like chez does
[13:53] <viv_> but
[13:54] <viv_> not that much else to say actuall
[13:54] <marvellosity_> ...
[13:54] <marvellosity_> right
[13:54] <viv_> He's low priority compared to the others imo
[13:54] <viv_> layabout s & B and sloosh
[13:54] <viv_> first
[13:55] <viv_> gonna see what kholly brings to the table
[13:55] <viv_> in the meantime
[13:55] <marvellosity_> so many people to kill
[13:55] <marvellosity_> sigh
[13:55] <viv_> pardoning time is over now
[13:55] <marvellosity_> why didn't town just sheep me and lynch him day 1
[13:55] <marvellosity_> would have made life so much easier.
[13:56] <viv_> I had to vote SlOosh d1
[13:56] <viv_> I KILLED VE MARV
[13:56] <viv_> I HAVE HIS BLOOD ON MY HANDS
[13:56] <marvellosity_> T.T
[13:56] <marvellosity_> so do I tbf
[13:56] <marvellosity_> i really thought when i went to bed that town wouldn't be so dumb to lynch him
[13:56] <marvellosity_> always a mistake to underestimate a town's stupidity though.
[13:58] <viv_> will probably make a case on wig tonight
[13:58] <viv_> and post the logs
[13:58] <marvellosity_> in case you die?
[13:58] <viv_> yeah
[13:58] <viv_> not posting our logs yet though
[13:58] <marvellosity_> fair
[13:58] <viv_> i'll leave that to you
[13:59] <marvellosity_> er
[13:59] <marvellosity_> you should send me the logs you didn't send me before night-end
[13:59] <marvellosity_> i've not been saving them ;;
[13:59] <viv_> yeah
[13:59] <marvellosity_> basically been trusting you on that one
[14:01] <viv_> you'll get them with pm
[14:01] <viv_> what do you think of wiggles
[14:01] <viv_> is it plausible he's scum?
[14:02] <marvellosity_> yes
[14:03] <marvellosity_> i don't find him townie
[14:03] <viv_> im glad i masoned him
[14:03] <marvellosity_> kush/rayn/vivax/vayne/korynne/koshi/oats/marv/DrH
[14:03] <marvellosity_> are people i think are town
[14:04] <viv_> idk about oats
[14:04] <viv_> where the hell is he
[14:04] <marvellosity_> yeah
[14:04] <marvellosity_> i almost put a question mark after him
[14:04] <marvellosity_> but meh
[14:08] <viv_> soo
[14:08] <viv_> can I has some logs
[14:08] <viv_> before I die
[14:08] <marvellosity_> er
[14:08] <marvellosity_> yes probably
[14:09] <marvellosity_> i'll put together what i have later
[14:09] <viv_> where do you save the stuff
[14:10] <viv_> rly
[14:10] <marvellosity_> i've not saved anything that's not in PMs
[14:10] <viv_> o_O
[14:10] <viv_> O_o
[14:10] <marvellosity_> lol
[14:11] <viv_> that's not how MI6 would play marv
[14:11] <viv_> you are a shame to the crown
[14:11] <viv_> where's the british intel skill
[14:12] <marvellosity_> eh
[14:12] <marvellosity_> i rely on my memory
[14:14] <viv_> well I would be grateful if you did the stuff
[14:14] <viv_> I'll go study a little in the meantime
[14:14] <viv_> laters!
[14:14] <viv_> (I'll stay connected btw)
[14:15] <marvellosity_> okies
[14:15] <marvellosity_>