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yamato77
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On July 17 2013 03:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: Holy fuck. This is why we have off-thread communication, this is from DrH's post: [16:07:44] <raynpelikoneet> have you talked a lot with DrH? [16:07:53] <Oatsmaster> somewhat [16:07:59] <Oatsmaster> quite a lot i guess [16:07:31] <raynpelikoneet> does he have any good points? [16:07:37] <Oatsmaster> hmm [16:07:04] <Oatsmaster> well he doesnt know how hapa and vayne play [16:07:12] <Oatsmaster> and he thinks FT is confirmed scum DrH explain, what's going on here? This is not how analysis works. You don't find something in DrH's filter saying he doesn't suspect FT, then take Oats talk as the word of gospel. Where does DrH ever say that he thinks FT is confirmed scum? I have no idea where on earth you gleaned that information from, much less why you trust Oats so much this early in the game? @ Wiggles I can't really defend anything you've written there, as I really haven't been around for much of the "analysis-worthy" content. I just woke up so I'll be catching up and posting as I find it. | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
With that said, it's weird that you trying to discredit him but not me. I don't see the motivation for your behavior as town. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On July 17 2013 05:38 VayneAuthority wrote: Any reason why you call out rayn for his vote on sloosh but not me hapa? As an outsider it seems you are picking and choosing on who you want to cast suspicion on, and forgive me if im wrong here, but rayn is considered a strong player while I am not. With that said, it's weird that you trying to discredit him but not me. I don't see the motivation for your behavior as town. Your posting so far has given me town-vibes reminiscent from your play in I Swear Mini. For example, your first post expresses an extremely unpopular and confrontational attitude towards the PMs. You don't seem to be interested in blending in or pleasing anyone, so I'm leaning town on you and you're not much of a concern for me. As far as Rayn goes... 3 things: 1) I don't consider him a strong player. A solid player, but not one with enough of a reputation for me to call him "strong," He is a rather good scum-player though. 2) I don't consider his pardoner claim alignment indicative. 3) His scum-hunting efforts so far are suspect. They're very logically flawed and have some other strange things about them (such as him instantaneously trusting Oats' word on DrH without looking into the issue himself). | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
Why would big plays be bad? If somebody believes he can catch scum, he should try it and explain later. People are going to do stupid shit anyway; why not do stupid things on purpose with the purpose to find scum. So I frown on that point, sounds like a reason to say in the future "I said big plays are bad, now let me tunnel you' "I said lying is bad, now let me tunnel you" Just like his opening post, a lot of things can be done to create conversation and to bait people. Big plays and lying is a part of that. I think that everybody here knows that lying brings big risks for your own health. On July 16 2013 17:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think there is something you should all know. I am a pardoner. I tried to think how i could use my power in combination with PM's to it's full benefit and came into conclusion there is no way not to claim will help town. The pardoning can be done vai PM's to the hosts, i don't need to announce it in thread. There is nothing good coming out from me using it, only confusion and distraction, so i will not use my power ever. This makes me think scum have one too. This post is so scummy. Is rayn saying that he will not use his power to save somebody that is in his eyes 100% town? Or 90% town, or 80% town? Never? Isn't it a great tool to once just pardon a guy that you think is town. While scum might have taken risks to make the lynch happen. Endgame this could have been so powerful. Why did rayn share this with us? If you don't use it. keep quiet about it. Maybe you find a reason in the future. By claiming that you have it I got a feeling you want to use it later anyway to get some town kred. I really don't get why you claim that. #vote raynpelikoneet (unless I am missing something here?) I also got a couple questions, they might seem noob but I just want to verify: 1) Can we post PMs our mason made? This would mean that you can give more than 5 posts to your mason right? He just communicates through PM to you, and you copy paste in chat. Is this allowed? I see a chatlog posted and I am surprised. 2) In a normal game communication outside the thread is not allowed right? Even if you are 2 brothers playing the game you can't talk to each other about the game. Pure in theory. | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
On July 14 2013 12:21 layabout wrote: screw it I Shall go to the I am wondering why drh says we should share who we pm. Why does the thread need to know who you are talking to? I can only see how it helps mafia, for instance it lets them find and break any sort of town circle. If you typically live a long time in games it's worth holding onto a pm for later in the game. I think we all more or less know how to use pms but only share it with the thread if there is a clear benefit to do so- e.g. sharing a players unvoiced reads after they have died. On July 16 2013 23:24 kholly wrote: This is not actually the case, right?It says everyone has 2 pms in the OP.What do you think about the concept that scum can only mason 1 person as opposed to town being about to mason two? Oh and don't worry, I'm talking to town.  I really want to kill vayne. Why sign up to a pm game if you are not going to use them? They benefit town the vast majority of the time. | ||
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kholly
United States74 Posts
DoctorHelvetica VayneAuthority Hapahauli gumshoe | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On July 17 2013 06:00 layabout wrote: screw it I Shall go to the I am wondering why drh says we should share who we pm. Why does the thread need to know who you are talking to? I can only see how it helps mafia, for instance it lets them find and break any sort of town circle. If you typically live a long time in games it's worth holding onto a pm for later in the game. I think we all more or less know how to use pms but only share it with the thread if there is a clear benefit to do so- e.g. sharing a players unvoiced reads after they have died. This is not actually the case, right?It says everyone has 2 pms in the OP. I really want to kill vayne. Why sign up to a pm game if you are not going to use them? They benefit town the vast majority of the time. I made a mistake in not realizing he had said he would do that pre-game. As much as I hate it, it's not alignment indicative. The fact that you're regurgitating my old argument when the thread has moved wayyyyyyyyy past that is odd. I am wondering why drh says we should share who we pm. Why does the thread need to know who you are talking to? I can only see how it helps mafia, for instance it lets them find and break any sort of town circle. Personally, I want mafia PMing me, it only makes my job easier. The more interaction I have with scum the more likely I am to find them. @Koshi - Pardoner is a 100% anti-town role that should never ever be used. This is generally agreed to be the case. Typically, any time a pardoner uses his power for any reason he is lynched. @Hapa Why would he have any reason not to believe oats? I never came into the thread to tell him Oats was lying. After I backed off from FT I PM'd oatsmaster telling him I was almost completely certain that FT is scum but was biding my time for post limit reasons. Do you want him to waste a mason on me so he can just ask if I really called FT scum? The fact that Rayn is willing to post the logs like that seems very town to me or at least is evidence that he and oats aren't on the same team. It's ridiculous that you think that is suspicious, you're throwing out the weakest pressure I've ever seen but what is it even amounting to, do you want us to lynch Rayne? I'm about 90% sure he is town, my only other extremely strong townread is Gumshoe. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43188 Posts
On July 17 2013 05:22 Hapahauli wrote: @ Rayn I really hate this post. You're voting SloOsh entirely because you disagree with him and not because you think his behavior is scummy. I can see see some rationale behind what sloOsh is suggesting (its better to be cautious about PM's since they are a limited resource). You're voting him for what I consider to be a fairly reasonable attitude. I have given clear reasons why i am voting for Sloosh. I do disagree with him yes, do you think people should not use their mason-ability to the fullest based on "idk what to do with PM's"? I think that's very scummy thing to say and there is not much other things Sloosh has said, certainly nothing that helps us find scum. On July 17 2013 05:30 Hapahauli wrote: @ Rayn This is not how analysis works. You don't find something in DrH's filter saying he doesn't suspect FT, then take Oats talk as the word of gospel. Where does DrH ever say that he thinks FT is confirmed scum? I have no idea where on earth you gleaned that information from, much less why you trust Oats so much this early in the game? Yes it is. Oats is probably sleeping atm, and someone is lying unless i have missed something. It's either; 1) DrH is scum and fucked up 2) Oats is lying 3) Something i have missed Why the fuck should i not question stuff like this? I see a fucking contradiction here. Either DrH will call Oats a liar or he will provide the logs that explain the situation. Or he'll say nothing in which case he is probably scum. Or then it's something else. Tell me how am i supposed to find mafia if i can't question people for stuff like this? I thought this should be brought up in thread so all of you can see it. If DrH/Oats/both are mafia it's possible for them to fool me if i don't bring this up. Someone else could however see through this. This is btw not analysis, this is questioning. Why are you saying it's analysis when it's clear it's not? Ans i trust Oats because it's pretty clear he is town. You should see that too. In other news, gumshoe is town and Koshi is dumb. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
Now that Wiggles has graced us, I'm surprised he hasn't mentioned any of DocH, kholly or Malongo at all. Malongo faked an opinion on slOosh (what does "needlessly polarized" even mean?) and posted filters and fucked off, kholly is doing little more, thought to his credit he at least is voting for DocH. So right now I'm looking to lynch in the vicinity of kholly Malongo Wiggles And I'll go with the most useless so far. ##Vote: Malongo (5/20) | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
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RebirthOfLeGenD
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Raynpelikoneet cannot send or receive PM's until Day 2. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43188 Posts
I am (was) in PM contact with Oats. gumshoe chose to mason me. Logs will be provided no later than N1. Both of gumshoe and Oats are town for sure, so is DrH. | ||
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kholly
United States74 Posts
On July 17 2013 07:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: rofl, fu scum. I am now confirmed town. I am (was) in PM contact with Oats. gumshoe chose to mason me. Logs will be provided no later than N1. Both of gumshoe and Oats are town for sure, so is DrH. Did gumshoe recruit you as traitor? | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
1. anyone who has played long enough to know who sandro et al are will have noticed their absence, and anyone who doesn't know who they are won't care. And identifying lurkers less than 24 hours into day 1 is never what I call useful. 2. your suspicion on wiggles seems forced. he talked about a total of two players in his post - focused scumreads. he's wrong ovc but the point remains, he's only made one post, and the fact that it avoids talking about two new people, one of whom is super lurky at this point, doesn't seem to me like a reason to put wiggles on your death list. I too have not talked about malongo or khipples, neither have a lot of other people who have made more than one post. 3. i'm always suspicious of someone who says "jk lol" when they get called out for a bad or unjustifiable stance. fffiiiiiiinnnngggeerrrr of sussspiiiiiicciiiiioooonnn! @wiggles: Did you read my second post? It does not seem like it. Anyway I think you might be getting too caught up in my language. Do you disagree with my reasons for finding oatsmaster, sloosh, or VE scummy? Or just with the way that I phrased it and the fact that I decided not to pm oats right away? Cause the latter doesn't make much sense as a reason to suspect me. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
I never know what to say to people thinking my suspicions are "forced". In what way? Like "Hmmm how can I say I'm suspicious of Wiggles Hmmmmmm...maybe this and this? Ugh I don't know but I just have to say I'm suspicious of Wiggles for X reason"? Because if that's the case, what do you think I have to gain by saying I'm suspicious of Wiggles if I'm scum? Or do you think I just needed to round out my list to include 3 players or something? What exactly are you accusing me of SnB? (6/20) | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On July 17 2013 07:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: rofl, fu scum. I am now confirmed town. I am (was) in PM contact with Oats. gumshoe chose to mason me. Logs will be provided no later than N1. Both of gumshoe and Oats are town for sure, so is DrH. Possibly. I wouldn't rule out a mafia masonblocker cutting off someone they are in contact with if they plan to kill that person N1 or something like that. It's hard to say what it could mean in a closed setup, I don't want to make assumptions. I was very sure Oatsmaster is mafia up until now though. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43188 Posts
Logs with Oats: IRC logs after that: + Show Spoiler + <Oatsmaster> duude <Oatsmaster> why is irc not blocked at work [16:07:43] <raynpelikoneet> :D [16:07:05] <Oatsmaster> lucky you [16:07:11] <Oatsmaster> webchat sucks [16:07:16] <raynpelikoneet> i will keep this open. i gotta get back to work in ~15min, but i'll have another pause in ~2h [16:07:22] <Oatsmaster> anyway, wtf is with all these weird people playing mafia laterly? [16:07:27] <raynpelikoneet> i have no idea [16:07:33] <raynpelikoneet> i think they are all too bad to be scum [16:07:55] <Oatsmaster> yeah kholly is definetely too bad to be scum [16:07:01] <Oatsmaster> manglo dude i dunno though [16:07:01] <raynpelikoneet> kholly/malongo [16:07:19] <Oatsmaster> i mean, that vote was really bad [16:07:50] <Oatsmaster> what was kholly refering to when he said he didnt believe your claim and referenced nucear? [16:07:31] <raynpelikoneet> i dunno, he just said he doesn't believe me, whatever he means with that :E [16:07:14] <raynpelikoneet> i think he means Nuclear N1 [16:07:28] <raynpelikoneet> when i said i nuked MZ [16:07:15] <raynpelikoneet> i don't really think why he thinks that claim makes me mafia if that's what he means [16:07:17] <Oatsmaster> at least you claimed if scum has a similar role and uses it [16:07:28] <Oatsmaster> no other benefits directly [16:07:29] <raynpelikoneet> btw [16:07:32] <Oatsmaster> benefits as scum to claim [16:07:40] <raynpelikoneet> i'm gonna mason my strongest scumread on N! start [16:07:46] <Oatsmaster> you are looked as somewhat town due to above reasoning [16:07:47] <Oatsmaster> the thing is [16:07:00] <Oatsmaster> pardernor is an amazing scum role [16:07:04] <raynpelikoneet> i know [16:07:13] <raynpelikoneet> at least if silent [16:07:22] <Oatsmaster> so I dont see why if you can anonomously stop the lynch on a scum buddy [16:07:34] <Oatsmaster> you would claim [16:07:39] <raynpelikoneet> no i wouldn't [16:07:17] <Oatsmaster> well [16:07:19] <Oatsmaster> wifom [16:07:34] <Oatsmaster> but yeah I think its too powerful for marginal benefits [16:07:54] <raynpelikoneet> yeah well it kinda is, but anyways that was teh best thing i could think of doing (masoning a strong town read and claiming instantly) [16:07:06] <raynpelikoneet> above for the wifom thing [16:07:16] <raynpelikoneet> tbh i wanted to mason 2 scumreads [16:07:25] <raynpelikoneet> and out the logs at the end of N1 [16:07:35] <raynpelikoneet> but now it's better [16:07:40] <Oatsmaster> why do you feel you had to mason a townread to claim? [16:07:43] <raynpelikoneet> i can mason one and give you the logs instead. :D [16:07:46] <Oatsmaster> like why not just claim in thread [16:07:05] <raynpelikoneet> because at that time i was not sure if that role could be used somehow to our advantage [16:07:24] <Oatsmaster> nah [16:07:29] <raynpelikoneet> i tried to think about it but i couldn't really find anything that would make me think so [16:07:34] <Oatsmaster> pardoner only creates mass confusion [16:07:37] <raynpelikoneet> yeah [16:07:44] <raynpelikoneet> that's the conclusion i got to :D [16:07:06] <Oatsmaster> like mostly if you are town, you would want the lynch to go through cause you somewhat agree with it or dont want to fuck over town anyway [16:07:20] <raynpelikoneet> yeah [16:07:35] <raynpelikoneet> there is also the worst case scenario that i am wrong and the town is right [16:07:49] <Oatsmaster> yeah, i doubt you will ever have a strong townread that town wants to lynch [16:07:05] <Oatsmaster> this game feels like a mini man [16:07:06] <raynpelikoneet> then we might nolynch + mislynch me before the scumlynch. :/ [16:07:14] <Oatsmaster> haha [16:07:33] <raynpelikoneet> i actually have a strong townread on vayne atm too [16:07:37] <raynpelikoneet> what do you think about him? [16:07:43] <Oatsmaster> yeah me too [16:07:03] <Oatsmaster> seems similar to the other games ive played in, namely catch 22 [16:07:11] <raynpelikoneet> he usually picks the game at some point and gives reasonable reads [16:07:15] <Oatsmaster> i didnt read Les Mafia though, how did he play there? [16:07:26] <raynpelikoneet> i think he was mafia in that game if i remember correctly [16:07:30] <raynpelikoneet> or was it CCM? [16:07:39] <Oatsmaster> yeah it was LeS [16:07:43] <Oatsmaster> CCM he was town [16:07:58] <Oatsmaster> did you read it/ [16:07:19] <raynpelikoneet> i don't remember him in Les (i played both). I was too fixated in lynching BH because of his claim. :/ [16:07:31] <Oatsmaster> haha [16:07:05] <raynpelikoneet> basically [16:07:15] <raynpelikoneet> i think vayne is mafia if he does not have strong opinions [16:07:29] <Oatsmaster> ok [16:07:33] <raynpelikoneet> he looks more like a normal player would look as town :D [16:07:36] <raynpelikoneet> when he's mafia [16:07:42] <Oatsmaster> and he has strong reads this game [16:07:44] <Oatsmaster> game too ez [16:07:16] <Oatsmaster> 11 players have not started to play the game [16:07:20] <raynpelikoneet> mm [16:07:22] <Oatsmaster> about 10 hours in [16:07:28] <raynpelikoneet> i hope Vivax is sane if he's town this game [16:07:30] <Oatsmaster> man I have half my post count used already [16:07:34] <raynpelikoneet> rofl [16:07:37] <raynpelikoneet> me too basically [16:07:40] <Oatsmaster> I really hope Vivax doesnt go full Vivax [16:07:50] <Oatsmaster> this game doesnt have marv though, should be good [16:07:57] <raynpelikoneet> omfg he destroyed Basterd game [16:07:11] <Oatsmaster> yeah [16:07:12] <Oatsmaster> so salty [16:07:20] <Oatsmaster> cause he didnt vote [16:07:23] <raynpelikoneet> when WoS told scum/survivor had fakeclaims [16:07:47] <raynpelikoneet> i was sure of the mafiateam (well had JarJar/Solstice as "idk which one") [16:07:56] <raynpelikoneet> but fuba + stutters [16:07:00] <raynpelikoneet> were clearly mafia [16:07:13] <Oatsmaster> yeah [16:07:27] <raynpelikoneet> also i was a bit mad for iGrok [16:07:34] <Oatsmaster> 2 mislynches is way too harsh for a 14 player game [16:07:41] <Oatsmaster> im a bit mad at iGrok [16:07:45] <Oatsmaster> well a lot mad [16:07:48] <raynpelikoneet> because my play on D1 was based purely on that scum do not have fakeclaims [16:07:02] <Oatsmaster> scum got fakeclaims at the start of the game [16:07:09] <Oatsmaster> the pause hat nothing to do with it [16:07:14] <raynpelikoneet> mm [16:07:18] <Oatsmaster> and our blues decided claiming was awesome [16:07:29] <Oatsmaster> so at least we got fuba for easy kill [16:07:43] <Oatsmaster> dont you have to go back to work? [16:07:04] <raynpelikoneet> still got a cup of coffee in front of me :D [16:07:21] <Oatsmaster> lol [16:07:27] <Oatsmaster> i guess that works [16:07:44] <raynpelikoneet> have you talked a lot with DrH? [16:07:53] <Oatsmaster> somewhat [16:07:59] <Oatsmaster> quite a lot i guess [16:07:31] <raynpelikoneet> does he have any good points? [16:07:37] <Oatsmaster> hmm [16:07:04] <Oatsmaster> well he doesnt know how hapa and vayne play [16:07:12] <Oatsmaster> and he thinks FT is confirmed scum [16:07:31] <raynpelikoneet> show him the part of this convo, where i describe vayne's playstyle (if you have not told him yet). I don't want him to waste all of his posts on nonsense with vayne on D1 [16:07:37] <Oatsmaster> cause basically his post is really agressive for no reason [16:07:53] <raynpelikoneet> hapa is weird [16:07:58] <Oatsmaster> yeah I explained how vayne plays which is basically be an egotistical farthead [16:07:59] <raynpelikoneet> i think his questions are bullshit [16:07:03] <Oatsmaster> yeah me too [16:07:08] <Oatsmaster> i like the rest of his posting though [16:07:16] <raynpelikoneet> yeah [16:07:19] <raynpelikoneet> but especially [16:07:57] <raynpelikoneet> 1) "Hi, i wanna know what are you going to do with your pm's, so i can get a fuckton of info when you tell the thread who you masoned" [16:07:02] <raynpelikoneet> like [16:07:16] <Oatsmaster> huh? [16:07:42] <raynpelikoneet> i say i mason Syllo -> i have answered Hapa "i wanna mason my townreads, to discuss stuff with them" -> Hapa knows i think Syllo is town [16:07:47] <raynpelikoneet> even without asking [16:07:28] <raynpelikoneet> if Syllo is in fact town, and we agree with each other, it's basically 1+1 = we are each other's townreads. Dangerous for mafia. [16:07:30] <Oatsmaster> I dunno man [16:07:50] <raynpelikoneet> i think we should not [16:07:00] <raynpelikoneet> i think we should not tell why we mason people we do [16:07:12] <Oatsmaster> i think its obvious by the thread who we think is town or scum [16:07:36] <raynpelikoneet> oh yeah, that's true [16:07:38] <raynpelikoneet> but [16:07:43] <raynpelikoneet> when i mason my scumread [16:07:47] <raynpelikoneet> i hope they think i am town [16:07:21] <raynpelikoneet> to have a false "good feeling" about talking with me [16:07:30] <Oatsmaster> lol trye [16:07:31] <Oatsmaster> true [16:07:34] <raynpelikoneet> more likely to say stuff they would not say normally [16:07:42] <Oatsmaster> yeah I guess [16:07:51] <Oatsmaster> so who are you looking at masoning? [16:07:07] <raynpelikoneet> okay [16:07:11] <raynpelikoneet> i gotta get back to work [16:07:15] <Oatsmaster> kk [16:07:15] <raynpelikoneet> i'll keep this open [16:07:20] <raynpelikoneet> in case you want to say something [16:07:21] <Oatsmaster> ill still be here i think [16:07:29] <Oatsmaster> in like 1 and a half hours [16:07:18] <Oatsmaster> well Ill probably not say anyhting unless someone posts Oats dropped at some point, this is the other stuff in between somewhere [16:07:54] <Oatsmast_> lol [16:07:54] <Oatsmast_> opps [16:07:57] <Oatsmast_> sorry internet was weird [16:07:06] <Oatsmast_> can you post everything past this [16:07:10] <Oatsmast_> 1) "Hi, i wanna know what are you going to do with your pm's, so i can get a fuckton of info when you tell the thread who you masoned" [16:07:12] <raynpelikoneet> k [16:07:27] <raynpelikoneet> [16:07:02] <raynpelikoneet> like [16:07:27] <raynpelikoneet> [16:07:16] <Oatsmaster> huh? [16:07:27] <raynpelikoneet> [16:07:42] <raynpelikoneet> i say i mason Syllo -> i have answered Hapa "i wanna mason my townreads, to discuss stuff with them" -> Hapa knows i think Syllo is town [16:07:27] <raynpelikoneet> [16:07:47] <raynpelikoneet> even without asking [16:07:27] <raynpelikoneet> [16:07:28] <raynpelikoneet> if Syllo is in fact town, and we agree with each other, it's basically 1+1 = we are each other's townreads. Dangerous for mafia. [16:07:12] <Oatsmast_> right [16:07:25] <Oatsmast_> so we should conceal our pm targets [16:07:29] <raynpelikoneet> no [16:07:32] <raynpelikoneet> we should not [16:07:32] No such nick [16:07:42] <Oatsmast_> I really wish I got more posts [16:07:51] <Oatsmast_> but gumshoe is wrong about the DrH thing [16:07:53] <Oatsmast_> he might be scum Timestamps are fucked up because the minutes don't show up correctly for some reason. Logs with gumshoe: + Show Spoiler + Sorry i was at work. Just got off. I PM the hosts ##Pardon: Playername. If they have the most votes at the end of the day, the day ends in no-lynch instead of that players lynch. The power is one-shot. I'm not really sure about Sloosh. I think he is not doing much and focusing on stupid things atm. I also find Hapa's questions to me odd and kinda dumb. I gotta question him in thread. Original Message From gumshoe: Hide nested quote - Original Message From raynpelikoneet: I think VE might be scum, his vote on DrH is quite horrible. I think DrH is town, but i still want him to explain this weird stuff, you can't just ignore that. Mafia is more likely to slip up by not keeping their story straight in PM's <-> thread. Original Message From gumshoe: taaaaaalk to me T_T in regards to the DH, theres a few possibilitys, DH is scum, he lied in thread but then why would he tell the truth to Oats or vice versa? Also perhaps Oat's pm was based on an earlier read of DH's? Like wise Oats could be lying, I dont think theyre both scum though, why would they waste a pm on another (they wouldn't actually be wasting a pm, but they would have to lie about they're pm targets if one of them was scum leaving them open to attack). What do you think of Ve? You dont find it weird how easy this Sloosh wagon is forming? Also would you mind clarifying how exactly your role works? I might be willing to do like wise. + Show Spoiler + Original Message From gumshoe: Hide nested quote - Original Message From raynpelikoneet: I think you should let go of Oats. He is as close as town Oats can be. :D I don't trust you yet, but you masoning me makes me feel better about you. You definitely can get to Oats & DrH through me. I'd advice not to use your second mason yet. There are still a lot of people who have not posted. Are you thinking of masoning scum / town as your other mason? Why? I talked about kholly with Oats, here: [16:07:22] <Oatsmaster> anyway, wtf is with all these weird people playing mafia laterly? [16:07:27] <raynpelikoneet> i have no idea [16:07:33] <raynpelikoneet> i think they are all too bad to be scum [16:07:55] <Oatsmaster> yeah kholly is definetely too bad to be scum [16:07:01] <Oatsmaster> manglo dude i dunno though [16:07:01] <raynpelikoneet> kholly/malongo [16:07:19] <Oatsmaster> i mean, that vote was really bad [16:07:50] <Oatsmaster> what was kholly refering to when he said he didnt believe your claim and referenced nucear? [16:07:31] <raynpelikoneet> i dunno, he just said he doesn't believe me, whatever he means with that :E [16:07:14] <raynpelikoneet> i think he means Nuclear N1 [16:07:28] <raynpelikoneet> when i said i nuked MZ [16:07:15] <raynpelikoneet> i don't really think why he thinks that claim makes me mafia if that's what he means Original Message From gumshoe: Hey, you seem to have a grip on the game and I can get to Oats through you and DH through you/Oats. Do you have any questions for me? Do you trust me? What do you think about what I've said about Oats and Knoly? Do you think Knoly is traitor or scum based off his answers? Should I pm him? I wanted answers out of Knolly which he hasn't been willing to give me in thread, I asked him to pm me, he didn't bother replying, I asked him if I pmed him would he be willing to talk to me? He didn't bother replying. So yeah, he has me worried with his cryptic talk, I'll drop Oats for the moment, can you ask him why he thinks I'm confirmed scum? XD If he doesn't wanna tell me thats fine, it's also annoying how small his posts are and how fast hes going through his filter and his encouraging of others to burn through posts but whatever, that infos not going anywhere and I wont get anything else by pressing him. Oh did he think I was scum because of his convos with Dh? That makes sense if so. Who do you think we should lynch? I can ask. The bolded part is a trademark of Oats townplay. :D I dunno yet, i sill want to pressure Sloosh, Hapa is now fucking weird. Might be because he is right about the fact that my scumplay is pretty good and he is being paranoid but still. He is questioning stupid stuff. VE looks better. DrH almost obviously town. Oats town, Vayne town. Who else, Kholly seems too bad to be mafia. :D Koshi is dumb, i dunno what that makes him. He's voting me because i claimed pardoner, rofl. + Show Spoiler + Original Message From gumshoe: Hide nested quote - Original Message From raynpelikoneet: I think VE might be scum, his vote on DrH is quite horrible. I think DrH is town, but i still want him to explain this weird stuff, you can't just ignore that. Mafia is more likely to slip up by not keeping their story straight in PM's <-> thread. Original Message From gumshoe: taaaaaalk to me T_T in regards to the DH, theres a few possibilitys, DH is scum, he lied in thread but then why would he tell the truth to Oats or vice versa? Also perhaps Oat's pm was based on an earlier read of DH's? Like wise Oats could be lying, I dont think theyre both scum though, why would they waste a pm on another (they wouldn't actually be wasting a pm, but they would have to lie about they're pm targets if one of them was scum leaving them open to attack). What do you think of Ve? Agreed, I get a bit of a scummy vibe off the way he sorta attacks DH's character as opposed to his posting, but Ve is a pretty aggressive player as I understand it so null on him for now, how do you feel about Vayne piggy backing off your Sloosh read? Personally I'm null on Sloosh, He advocates caution which is fine, people are kinda blowing the whole thing out of proportion in my opinion. Blind pms are actually pretty dumb, I wouldn't have pmed you if I wasn't pretty certain of your alignment. But the more posts he spends defending himself the more it seems that hes just trying trying to create an excuse for not making meaningful arguments. Another reason why i am keeping my vote on him. Fuck the formatting on gumshoe PM's. It's because TL apparently does not have fwd option in PM system.. :/ | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43188 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Original Message From Oatsmaster: Well there could be gfs and framers and sanities so its not like cop check is 100%. People scared of posting lol. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
From his PM's with me, he's acting completely trusting of my alignment as town and even asking me for a lot of advice on his own reads/sheeping my opinions.Why would it then be suspicious for yamato77 to have the same read as him? But when he tells me he finds yamato suspicious he says this: So yamato's post. I dont like it. He starts off with the random shit about PMs for like no reason. I dunno why he used 1 paragraph when he couldve used 1 line. Then he says votes are important but analyses VE's post for content and meta rather than the vote. I dunno, he seems too sure that you are town. And yamato doesnt actually talk about the other shit like Vayne or FT, just hopping onto VE. It doesnt sit right with me. Thoughts? Sounds to me like he's looking for bait to make a case on yamato but his reasons are inconsistent between his conversations with me and his conversations with you. This reads to me not as a townie sharing his genuine opinions without fear, but attempts to buddy/gain cred. He has also been significantly more opinionated and confident in his PMs with me than he has in the thread. Oatsmaster can respond to this - if his explanation isn't adequate then I'll be posting a full case. If he ignores it I'm bandwagoning him. Right now I'm leaning: SNB Oatsmaster layabout baddie lurker 1 baddie lurker 2 ???? | ||
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