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kitaman27
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On June 25 2013 09:56 gonzaw wrote:
3)2 players that so far (since D1 ended) that have been very under the radar are Zepphird and Kurumi. Maybe we could kill one of those as well.
Kurumi in particular. Zeph less so based on his interaction with Meapak.
On June 25 2013 09:56 gonzaw wrote:
4)Vig shot on snb anyone? Or I guess he'll get replaced now since he's not showing up...in which case...vig shot on snb's replacement anyone?
Why not call a vig on the player you think is most likely to be scum, rather than a random shot in the dark?
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Kurumi claimed he made me the inventor yesterday.
Why would mafia make a non mafia inventor
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On June 25 2013 10:01 gonzaw wrote:
Oh shit I forgot about geript. Where the fuck is he? lol
Trying to mod and play in 3 different games at once and study for a big exam in 2 weeks.
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On June 25 2013 10:04 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 09:56 gonzaw wrote:
3)2 players that so far (since D1 ended) that have been very under the radar are Zepphird and Kurumi. Maybe we could kill one of those as well. Kurumi in particular. Zeph less so based on his interaction with Meapak.
I plan on rereading the Zeph wagon. From what I remember he had lots of votes as well (6 at some point, right?), and MZ was very active (or so I remember) trying to get him lynched.
Unless sk8 was also scum or something, that makes it unlikely Zeph is scumbuddies with MZ.
I'll have to read it again though
Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 09:56 gonzaw wrote:
4)Vig shot on snb anyone? Or I guess he'll get replaced now since he's not showing up...in which case...vig shot on snb's replacement anyone? Why not call a vig on the player you think is most likely to be scum, rather than a random shot in the dark?
You mean, why not call vig on a random player I'm not sure is scum yet (austin? or Xfire? or Kurumi?), rather than an anti-town dude that was inactive since 48 hours ago (or more) and will either vote and do shit or be replaced by someone on N2 (so we have 0 info on that guy)?
Read guides, vig shots are not just an ego-boost to shoot people you think are scum
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On June 25 2013 10:21 gonzaw wrote:
Read guides, vig shots are not just an ego-boost to shoot people you think are scum
Those guides are probably wrong then,
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I don't think meapak was bussing zeph. He really goes after him and wants him lynched day 1. See all his posts about him which I'm spoilering below.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 24 2013 03:46 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Ok I'm awake. Since it doesn't look like WoS is gonna get lynched so right now I'm gonna reread some filters and decide between zephridd and solstice. On June 24 2013 03:55 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Ok that was all it took to read through zephridd's filter and damn he looks really bad. Between useless oneliners and weird posts about Dandel, it looks like he's trying to avoid attention while at the time looking like he's having reads. He's obviously been around the thread and yet he only has two or three posts that actually give reads.
Gonna check out solstice now On June 24 2013 04:08 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
People if you're voting solstice you should really read his and zephridd's filter back to back, it's a stark difference. Solstice is active, he explains his reads, while I think he hasn't followed up everything he's talked about I don't think that's something worth killing him for. Between the two solstice is helping the town a lot more and zephridd has done almost nothing. On June 24 2013 04:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 04:10 Zephirdd wrote:On June 24 2013 04:08 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
People if you're voting solstice you should really read his and zephridd's filter back to back, it's a stark difference. Solstice is active, he explains his reads, while I think he hasn't followed up everything he's talked about I don't think that's something worth killing him for. Between the two solstice is helping the town a lot more and zephridd has done almost nothing. you've done jack shit. What's your stance on sk8r? I may have less posts than you but in terms of content you're the one who's done jack. I already talked about my position on sk8, I'm with gonzaw and I think he's probably not scum. On June 24 2013 05:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 05:16 Zephirdd wrote:On June 24 2013 05:15 Dandel Ion wrote:
So how y'all feeling about switching to snb?
Instead of no-lynching, we might as well save us the vig shot. ^that makes sense posting again because of page flipping Of course it makes sense because you're under the gun. Ok so I don't like snb's absence but I'm a lot more certain about zephrid being scrum, his sudden desire to kill snb is pure self preservation. If you're town and you're about to be lynched you don't just go looking around for anyone, you look for scum. As opposed to scum hunting, zephrid is just going for an easy target. On June 24 2013 05:29 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 05:28 gonzaw wrote:
GODDAMIT WHY DID I OVERSLEEP
Snb will get replaced, I don't really see him that much as scum (although I could).
He has the same amount of votes as solstice so it's not a "he's better than NL" lynching solstice is also better than NL.
Gonzaw could you read zephrid again and tell me what you think? On June 24 2013 05:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 05:29 kitaman27 wrote:On June 24 2013 05:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
There is no point in killing snb if he's not gonna even show up. So are you saying that Zeph is the only person you'd consider today? I will not switch off of zeph to kill solstice. I'd kill WoS but he's not getting any traction so I'll deal with him another day. On June 24 2013 06:12 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Ok wtf, I leave 10 mins before the lynch and then we all go austin?
Why the fuck didn't we kill zephrid?
Gonzaw I'm getting suspicious of you, your push for austin seems very half assed an apologetic as if preparing for him flipping town. Not only that, you completly ignored zephrid who you had already called out. I really liked your play until like the last two hours of the day.
Bro that looks really bad. On June 24 2013 06:51 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 06:26 gonzaw wrote:On June 24 2013 06:23 Kurumi wrote:On June 24 2013 06:20 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:
Also, I know I said I could prove that he is town, it's NOT because he masoned me. Why could you only confirm him and not anyone else? That baffles me. It seems that you knew he was town all along. Why do you keep tunneling sk8 kurumi (specially with stuff like that you just posted)? Meapak why do you "tunneled" zepphird then come back after the "lynch" to complain? I find your explanation for your actions lackluster at best, I know you're better than doing something because its convenient. I wouldn't say I am tunneling zephrid, I think he was much more likely to be scum than solstice (and whoop dee do, solstice was town). WoS remains my primary target and after the way kurumi has acted I'd be down with lynching him as well. As for my "complaining" I'm really just irritated with you. Stupidity from dandel, kurumi, et all is to be expected but I was reallylooking for more from you.
Additionally, if the solstice shot was mafia, which I think makes the most sense, they probably thought the lynch would jump to one of the other prime suspects which were sk8r and zeph. They wouldn't do this if either of them were scum. To me this further says that zeph is town (along with sk8r who I've said so repeatedly).
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Okay, D1 analysis time, I think Zepphird is town after all, based on D1:
On June 24 2013 04:28 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
votecount
Votes:
BC (0) - Sk8rguy, Dandel Ion
WoS (0) - geript, Xatalos, Meapak
Dandel Ion (1) - Kurumi, Zephirdd, geript
Kurumi (0) - geript
SnB (0) - Acrofales
Acrofales (0) - WoS
austin (0) - kitaman, Dandel Ion
geript (0) - Dandel Ion
s0lstice (3) - Xatalos, WoS, Dandel Ion, Zephirdd
Zephirdd (4) - austinmcc, s0lstice, Dandel Ion, Sk8rguy, Meapak
Sk8rguy (6) - Acrofales, Kurumi, ???, BloodyCoobler, Zephirdd, kitaman
Bubbas not voting: strongandbig, Crossfire99, gonzaw
Sk8rguy is the leading bubba with 6 votes. 9 votes are needed to lynch a bubba.
Tell me if I missed anyone. Only votes in the voting thread count!
Almost ONE HOUR before deadline, this was the voting count.
But it's "worse" than that, in the sense that I voted Zepphird by that time as well, so Zeph had 5 votes, while sk8 had 6.
At this point there were NO OTHER COUNTERWAGONs,
Then this happens:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18985299
Zepphird UNVOTES SK8.
This puts Zepphird at 5 votes tied with sk8.
It is some time later (with no other votes changing), that Dandel initiates the snb counterwagon.
Not Meapak, not Zepphird, not any other shifty character (i.e shody scum), but Dandel.
Dandel's push of snb was mostly about not killing sk8, not really about Zepphird.
So, if Zepphird is scum....wtf are scum doing? Zepph unvotes the main lynch candidate to put him in even more peril? Unless ALL scum were on sk8, no other scum could do anything? Not even Meapak?
Zepphird just casually goes along, posting about sk8, then about solstice. Doesn't look like a nervous scum that knows could get wagoned and die in any minute.
There is one "weird" thing though, Meapak votes Zepphird when Zeph had 3 votes, then disappears, but comes back exactly 1 hour later after the snb push (not before). If they were scumbuddies, and they were confident Zepphird would NOT get lynched (if they analyzed town sentiment correctly), maybe they just let MZ bus him, but one he gathered votes wait until he loses votes to come again and "push" him.
But...are they that "smart" to do that?
On June 24 2013 05:29 Zephirdd wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 05:27 Crossfire99 wrote:On June 24 2013 05:25 gonzaw wrote:On June 24 2013 05:24 kitaman27 wrote:On June 24 2013 05:23 kitaman27 wrote:On June 24 2013 05:18 s0Lstice wrote:
yea let's do SnB. that's not a bad lynch at all.
/vote and unvote
You are swapping to s&B because you want to avoid a no-lynch, yet your number one super duper scum read Zeph already has five votes? What happened? Why aren't you pushing his lynch anymore instead of swapping to the "lets lynch s&b because its better than nothing" wagon? Furthermore, your super dupper scum read is vote WITH YOU, to get s&b lynched. You don't find that strange? Holy shit this makes sense Yeah, I'm down for a s0lstice lynch just because of this. ##Vote s0Lstice things like this makes me less wanting to lynch sols. He was being sarcarstic what the fuck.
On June 24 2013 05:30 Zephirdd wrote:
oh wait nvm, he actually voted snb
This is something else that makes me think he may be town.
Would scum Zepphird do that "mistake", regarding the guy he's pushing RIGHT BEFORE THE DEADLINE?
This seems like a mistake of just not reading correctly things that have happened, but still wanting to post your thoughts on the matter because you are keeping up with the thread.
It doesn't seem like a deliberate "plan" from scum to....do something about it (maybe appear more townie by appearing to make dumb mistakes?), specially if he ends that with "this makes me less wanting to lynch sols".
I doubt a scum would make such "let's fake some town trait and rush to appear townie" saying he thinks his scum target is less scummy.
There are 2 options if he's scum:
1)He thought it was genuine (he really thought sol didn't vote snb):
In which case...then what? He, as scum, would honestly believe sol didn't vote snb, and he said out loud, in the thread, he thinks sol is less scum because of it. Half an hour before deadline. If he's scum.....what would he do next? Why would he "flip-flop" like that, which (in his scum eyes') would at best do nothing and at worst put more attention to him (for flip flopping on sol, his scumread), to then end up with a null read on his target? He'd have to push someone else in 30 minutes? Why? Why go through that unnecessary effort to expose himself even more? Doesn't make sense
2)He already knew sol voted snb:
This is what I was stating before. If this was a "plan" by scum Zepphird...for what purpose? For nothing basically, since it was done in the rush of a lynch and nobody paid notice to it (until I did just now).
If it was in the middle of the day, or with a "blunder" (like actually voting someone and "fucking up", to make us WIFOM, etc), then it'd be a different thing, but here, if it was planned, it makes no sense at all.
Look at, for instance, confirmed scum Meapak. He had a clear agenda the whole time before deadline: Push Zepphird and complain to other people in sporadic posts.
You can see that agenda every time he posts.
There's no such agenda with Zepphird's posts....he's just there...he's just existing in the thread keeping up with it, and making rushed comments like those, which end up being mistakes.
So yeah, Zepphird is most likely town, unless someone would like to refute all this and go the "MZ super bussed him knowing he wouldn't get lynched and Zepphird is just cool as hell as scum" route or something.
So...one less suspect, that leaves Kurumi, austin, snb, Xfire and maybe geript/kita to me
Should be easy finding 3 scum there, right? (although I kind of want to wait for sk8 to see wtf he's going to do)
Hmm, I also kind of want to reread Xatalos...just in case (the "anti-Xatalos" guys, solstice and Acro to an extent, are dead, so I want to be sure before he keeps living and he's either scum or we get paranoid as hell later. I invite people to do that as well.)
Xatalos, do you have links to previous games of yours please? I already asked before.
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On June 25 2013 11:05 Crossfire99 wrote:
Additionally, if the solstice shot was mafia, which I think makes the most sense, they probably thought the lynch would jump to one of the other prime suspects which were sk8r and zeph. They wouldn't do this if either of them were scum. To me this further says that zeph is town (along with sk8r who I've said so repeatedly).
First of all, damn you for ninja
Second, that's actually a good point. If we assume the shot came from scum (and not 3rd party), then it was possible for people to wagon on Zepphird after that shot (hmm, maybe scum realized town sentiment was more onto lynching austin....but would they risk scum Zepphird's life for that? Even after MZ conveniently disappears and doesn't try voting austin to save Zepph?).
However...I don't really find much reason for a scum to do that shot (solstice was already misslynch and at 8 votes, you just cruise and let the misslynch happen, and you keep the anonymous-asassin-shot for when it matters, like D3-D4, or at least shoot Acro/me and get rid of a strong townie).
I think it is very likely it's 3rd party shot. Either something that has to do with the Doctor which made him instantly shoot him to gain something (maybe gain the Tardis? Maybe his win con is "you should personally kill the Doctor"? I dunno), or he just had the chance, felt like trolling and watching chaos evolve, and did it for giggles.
Either that or there's a semi-rogue scum doing whatever he likes just randomly using his powers or something.
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Yeah I was conveniently ignoring the fact that it was probably unlikely scum shot me since I'd most likely be up for a mislynch today otherwise because I wanted to see if Zephh would bother defending himself.
I can't be too mad at him in the end I suppose since he did help confirm me as town even if a shot went to waste to do so.
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^ I believe the above, mostly because we DO know the roles that there are, and nobody claimed they created a "shoot claimers" kind of role (unless it just so happens the receiver and creator are both scum). So we could safely assume there isn't one.
At worst, there is an additional scum power (like MZ's disguise thing maybe?) that does something like that....but meh, I doubt scum would gain KP as an additional power (on TOP of their own PTP role)
Speaking of which...who made MZ's role? (that "Rosy" thingy)
Kind of weird nobody claimed creating it...considering there's no downside to doing so basically
Maybe I just missed it.
Although I guess it won't be that hard to find out who he is:
This is my first PTP...
So if you are scum....you dun goofed lol
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Hmm, it sounds that maybe solstice most likely made MZ's role to be honest
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On June 25 2013 11:15 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 11:05 Crossfire99 wrote:
Additionally, if the solstice shot was mafia, which I think makes the most sense, they probably thought the lynch would jump to one of the other prime suspects which were sk8r and zeph. They wouldn't do this if either of them were scum. To me this further says that zeph is town (along with sk8r who I've said so repeatedly).
First of all, damn you for ninja Second, that's actually a good point. If we assume the shot came from scum (and not 3rd party), then it was possible for people to wagon on Zepphird after that shot (hmm, maybe scum realized town sentiment was more onto lynching austin....but would they risk scum Zepphird's life for that? Even after MZ conveniently disappears and doesn't try voting austin to save Zepph?). However...I don't really find much reason for a scum to do that shot (solstice was already misslynch and at 8 votes, you just cruise and let the misslynch happen, and you keep the anonymous-asassin-shot for when it matters, like D3-D4, or at least shoot Acro/me and get rid of a strong townie). I think it is very likely it's 3rd party shot. Either something that has to do with the Doctor which made him instantly shoot him to gain something (maybe gain the Tardis? Maybe his win con is "you should personally kill the Doctor"? I dunno), or he just had the chance, felt like trolling and watching chaos evolve, and did it for giggles. Either that or there's a semi-rogue scum doing whatever he likes just randomly using his powers or something.
Yeah that's a possibility, but even if it was a 3rd party shot, I still think he's town (not like I have a choice now with your most recent post lol).
Also, hilarious thing I just realized, but in the 2 Doctor Who themed mafia games that have occurred, Zeph has been a vigilante and shot townies both times lol. It would be even more hilarious if he was also River Song this game, but the odds of that happening are slim. From now on I think if Zeph gets a vig role, it needs be with a gun that has no bullets lol.
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On June 25 2013 09:06 WaveofShadow wrote:
So even though Gonzaw doesn't have my role, something he said rang true in that I think the role I wrote might end up being....easier for mafia to use than town?
Should I reveal the role I wrote/force a claim because there is no risk to myself? The fact that I can't think of anyone who has hinted at my role right now worries me.
I'm starting to believe that Gonzaw does have the role I wrote. Yes, the role I wrote is pretty useless as a town role, BUT would be easily identifiable if a Mafia received it. Which is why I wrote it up, lynching me for writing a role prior to my alignment is a terrible idea.
That being said, if Gonzaw does have my role, he is most definitely town. A scum would not be revealing how useless it is, and instead using it to its full effect. It is not inherently anti-town though, it still has usefulness. That is if you got my role.
Gonzaw please give me a hint to confirm your Role name. If it is actually mine, then you are confirmed town in my eyes.
Another point, I receieved the TARDIS and passed it. To the receiver, Please read how the TARDIS works and then pass it back to me. If you don't pass it back I will be very confused and it will be very showing of your alignment.
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On June 25 2013 11:33 gonzaw wrote:
I hate you
Sorry 
##Lovetap Gonzaw
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How about straight up stating the role?
If I get lynched a random dude that voted me dies
But here's the best part, each night I can visit someone and he gains the same ability (after I visit him, if he gets lynched a random dude that voted for him dies).
I have no use for it and there is no use in hiding it from scum or whatever because I'll never use it, so let's just get it over with (hopefully obs qt guys have pity on me or something)
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On June 25 2013 11:36 gonzaw wrote:
How about straight up stating the role?
If I get lynched a random dude that voted me dies
But here's the best part, each night I can visit someone and he gains the same ability (after I visit him, if he gets lynched a random dude that voted for him dies).
I have no use for it and there is no use in hiding it from scum or whatever because I'll never use it, so let's just get it over with (hopefully obs qt guys have pity on me or something)
Oh...That's no fun. At least your innocent is confirmed but now I look like a jackass for making a scum role. I figured everyone is gonna go make docs/detects I should do something more interesting.
You left out some of the role. Keep it left out, since you are town scum do not need to know every part of the role.
And yeah you get my pity for my role that makes you shows you as dangerous obvious scum or VT. I wrote the role with that in mind.
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Gonzaw, you created the Doctor's role right?
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On June 25 2013 11:46 geript wrote:
Gonzaw, you created the Doctor's role right?
No, Susan (Acro) created it.
I have no idea who has my role lol (hopefully he's not fucking up)
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