PTP IV - Demon's Run - Page 71

On June 25 2013 11:10 gonzaw wrote:
Okay, D1 analysis time, I think Zepphird is town after all, based on D1:




Almost ONE HOUR before deadline, this was the voting count.
But it's "worse" than that, in the sense that I voted Zepphird by that time as well, so Zeph had 5 votes, while sk8 had 6.

At this point there were NO OTHER COUNTERWAGONs,
Then this happens:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18985299
Zepphird UNVOTES SK8.
This puts Zepphird at 5 votes tied with sk8.
It is some time later (with no other votes changing), that Dandel initiates the snb counterwagon.
Not Meapak, not Zepphird, not any other shifty character (i.e shody scum), but Dandel.
Dandel's push of snb was mostly about not killing sk8, not really about Zepphird.

So, if Zepphird is scum....wtf are scum doing? Zepph unvotes the main lynch candidate to put him in even more peril? Unless ALL scum were on sk8, no other scum could do anything? Not even Meapak?
Zepphird just casually goes along, posting about sk8, then about solstice. Doesn't look like a nervous scum that knows could get wagoned and die in any minute.


There is one "weird" thing though, Meapak votes Zepphird when Zeph had 3 votes, then disappears, but comes back exactly 1 hour later after the snb push (not before). If they were scumbuddies, and they were confident Zepphird would NOT get lynched (if they analyzed town sentiment correctly), maybe they just let MZ bus him, but one he gathered votes wait until he loses votes to come again and "push" him.
But...are they that "smart" to do that?






This is something else that makes me think he may be town.
Would scum Zepphird do that "mistake", regarding the guy he's pushing RIGHT BEFORE THE DEADLINE?
This seems like a mistake of just not reading correctly things that have happened, but still wanting to post your thoughts on the matter because you are keeping up with the thread.
It doesn't seem like a deliberate "plan" from scum to....do something about it (maybe appear more townie by appearing to make dumb mistakes?), specially if he ends that with "this makes me less wanting to lynch sols".
I doubt a scum would make such "let's fake some town trait and rush to appear townie" saying he thinks his scum target is less scummy.
There are 2 options if he's scum:
1)He thought it was genuine (he really thought sol didn't vote snb):
In which case...then what? He, as scum, would honestly believe sol didn't vote snb, and he said out loud, in the thread, he thinks sol is less scum because of it. Half an hour before deadline. If he's scum.....what would he do next? Why would he "flip-flop" like that, which (in his scum eyes') would at best do nothing and at worst put more attention to him (for flip flopping on sol, his scumread), to then end up with a null read on his target? He'd have to push someone else in 30 minutes? Why? Why go through that unnecessary effort to expose himself even more? Doesn't make sense
2)He already knew sol voted snb:
This is what I was stating before. If this was a "plan" by scum Zepphird...for what purpose? For nothing basically, since it was done in the rush of a lynch and nobody paid notice to it (until I did just now).
If it was in the middle of the day, or with a "blunder" (like actually voting someone and "fucking up", to make us WIFOM, etc), then it'd be a different thing, but here, if it was planned, it makes no sense at all.
Look at, for instance, confirmed scum Meapak. He had a clear agenda the whole time before deadline: Push Zepphird and complain to other people in sporadic posts.
You can see that agenda every time he posts.
There's no such agenda with Zepphird's posts....he's just there...he's just existing in the thread keeping up with it, and making rushed comments like those, which end up being mistakes.

So yeah, Zepphird is most likely town, unless someone would like to refute all this and go the "MZ super bussed him knowing he wouldn't get lynched and Zepphird is just cool as hell as scum" route or something.

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So...one less suspect, that leaves Kurumi, austin, snb, Xfire and maybe geript/kita to me
Should be easy finding 3 scum there, right? (although I kind of want to wait for sk8 to see wtf he's going to do)

Hmm, I also kind of want to reread Xatalos...just in case (the "anti-Xatalos" guys, solstice and Acro to an extent, are dead, so I want to be sure before he keeps living and he's either scum or we get paranoid as hell later. I invite people to do that as well.)

Xatalos, do you have links to previous games of yours please? I already asked before.

On June 25 2013 16:52 strongandbig wrote:
Hey guys

We had a short in our experiment at cern and had to break vacuum, been working twelve hour days in Switzerland since my last post.

I'm currently at heathrow waiting to fly back to the us, I think ima buy TL plus so I can do the whole thread in one page, and save it and read it on the plane back.

On June 25 2013 12:48 geript wrote:
I don't know if there's one specific thing that I can point to with Dandel. Much of it is from rereading Bugs/Kita from TheGame in how disruptive and proactive you can be all the time. For example, he was calling me scum for how I was responding to Sk8ter over nonsense stuff + Show Spoiler +so I ignored him because it wasn't going to be productive whereas if he wanted to push me I felt like Acro's points earlier were far more damning. Plus hard defending people for almost no reason doesn't make any sense to me; it reminds me of scum BH. It's gut feel not that that does me any good.

On June 24 2013 07:44 kitaman27 wrote:
This is important. Please read.



Whoever owns the TARDIS, please pass it to me tonight. I just need you to trust me on this one, but there will be evidence of its usage in the day post tomorrow and how it will clearly benefit town. Additionally, the role I created can ensure that I will be protected from night hits/busdrivers/roleblocks. I'm requesting protection from Strax tonight so I can pull of my ability with the TARDIS tonight. If I end up dead tomorrow, Strax is almost certainly scum. If there is a watcher role out there, it might be worth being on me as well, since it can essentially confirm me, Strax, and the Tardis owner as town if things go as planned.

On June 24 2013 23:33 kitaman27 wrote:


Also, if the mafia team thinks they want to play any tricks with a scum Strax, I'm quite certain that I'm aware of his identity so I'll be revealing his name before the night post in case he decides not to give me safety tonight. I'll comment on yesterday's lynch in a bit.

On June 25 2013 04:33 kitaman27 wrote:


I'd recommend saving it for after the day post, assuming things work out as planned. Wouldn't want to waste your precious time after all

On June 25 2013 20:09 Dandel Ion wrote:
btw this where I'm at atm:
Process of Elimination yay

town:
Dandel Ion (derp)
Zephirdd
xxSK8rGUy277xx
Xatalos
gonzaw
BloodyC0bbler
WaveofShadow
Kurumi

not really town:
Crossfire99
geript
kitaman27

mafia scum:
austinmcc
strongandbig

Not in any particular order really.