EPTPTP IV - Demon's Run - Page 28
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
...well I still have to finish reading the thread so I may back out (page 22 so far), but thoughts on people are always welcomed | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17706 Posts
On June 23 2013 08:33 s0Lstice wrote: lol this should be good. Acro...skater was the target of the shot, time is going to dilate for him while waiting for a mod post, hence he'll be the one to decide its fake first. There was literally only 20 minutes between the shot and sk8er assuming that it was fake, though. That is some very unrealistic expectations of a host (given that neither had shown signs of being here for hours before that point). | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17706 Posts
On June 23 2013 08:54 gonzaw wrote: Before I make a case on him please post thoughts on solstice. ...well I still have to finish reading the thread so I may back out (page 22 so far), but thoughts on people are always welcomed I think s0lstice is probable town. He is contributing sensibly to the thread with things that agree with my own way of reading the thread. Of course, being sensible is not an automatic town tell, but I don't see anything that screams scum at me. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
...after I finish reading I'll have to analyze it a little bit more though. People that were AFK and stuff obviously won't make much impact on my "read-through analysis" because they don't post, so I may have to look at them better. | ||
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xxSK8rGUy277xx
300 Posts
On June 23 2013 08:47 geript wrote: In LXI BC played terribly and gave the game to scum on a silver platter. The assumption is that he's playing badly again and therefor town. But if he's playing badly and shoots you, that impugns that you're town (shooting scum d1 is good play obviously). The thing is as a vigi, you're supposed to kill anti town elements. How is it that you've come out of this whole D1 shot scenario with the fact that Dandel is town instead of trying to get a better read on BC or be able to build a good case on BC being scum? The first thing sounds good. The second part - Killing anti town is not the same as killing scum. I will disagree with you there. Even if he believed I was anti town, acting on it day one is a poor move. I did post the new reads on BC after I believed it was fake, you are quoting only my most recent post. While it's possible that someone created a role that can roleblock after something happened. I don't see any reason why someone wouldn't admit to at least making the role. I will say that I did not make that role. I initially thought perhaps there was a day healer, but I had no message about being attacked, and dismissed that. Until someone claims that they created a role that can either roleblock someone after they declared their action (which btw is a terrible role. Seeing as it only affects day abilities. Be ashamed of yourself for giving someone that) then I think it is fake. I know for sure I was not attacked and healed. What I conclude - BC attempted to confuse me into revealing information about my role before death by faking a vigi kill and that he picked the role for himself, which is notably convenient. His reasoning was because I'm a troll and anti-town and that killing me early would prevent me from hurting the game in the future, by comparing me to other players who have apparently done this. I would like to say again, trying to Meta an unknown player and comparing me to players you know is not going to give you a good idea of my playstyle. I am curious why other players are not seeing him as scummy after all this? Perhaps scum protecting. Killing someone you think is a town because they posted something anti-town is even more Anti town. @Solstice, what is your opinion on BC, and me while you are at it? | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
1)About the shot itself (why it didn't go through, etc), I don't really give a crap and don't want to spend time on it. If you guys want speculate yourselves, I'll just assume "role shenanigans" 2)WOS actually comes out better in my mind. After the shot he's active in discussions, arguing with BC, trying to figure stuff about BC's motivations and stuff. Before the shot he made some posts which...well I guess "feel" townie in a sense. Interacts with people a little bit more, so I guess I'll back out from that "bad" post he made. On second reading I'm not very comfortable with my "apology/pressure" analysis of his post either. Hmm....I'll leave it on hold. 3)solstice actually comes worse out of it than before to me. Will explain later. Before I do anything though, please answer this solstice: What happened to your Xata+S&B FoS? 4)Ignore everything BC says and does. But I don't want him lynched D1 because if he flips town I'll feel bad about him. He spend 99% of his time in a pointless fight with XXX I just can't comprehend how BC would be part of, and he's doing some very very stupid shit. Vig him on N1 at worst, I won't really care. I guess we'll have to talk about this in Post-game though, but leave it for there, if not you could leave a scum BC with more opportunities to just keep focus on XXX, "anti-town players" and his shot. If BC is scum leave him be and it'll be apparent soon, specially if this "shot" was his "shocking scum plan" to divert attention a-la Roulette-D2-Ace-Cop-Claim kind of thing | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
Comment on other people and shit ...also can I call you XXX? Doesn't matter I'll still call you XXX. | ||
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xxSK8rGUy277xx
300 Posts
On June 23 2013 08:56 Acrofales wrote: There was literally only 20 minutes between the shot and sk8er assuming that it was fake, though. That is some very unrealistic expectations of a host (given that neither had shown signs of being here for hours before that point). I had only two choices either assume it's fake or die or maybe...##Lovetap Acrofales ? | ||
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s0Lstice
United States1832 Posts
You are a vig switch! Until you are dead, anyone attempting to use a vigilante type ability is immediately roleblocked! use your imagination guys. we know so little about what roles are in the game right now. Skater- I think you are both probably town. I've said my reasoning on you before. As for BC, as this went on, the more clear it became that he really believes you are contributing to an anti-town atmosphere. I don't agree with the action, but the intent looks pure to me. A vig removing a person he views as hurtful to town is not a bad shot as far as that vig is concerned. | ||
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xxSK8rGUy277xx
300 Posts
On June 23 2013 09:10 gonzaw wrote: XXX, stop with this BC thing too, it's going nowhere. Comment on other people and shit ...also can I call you XXX? Doesn't matter I'll still call you XXX. Call me sk8. or sk8rgohan, or sk8rboi or anything, as long as it involves sk8. I might accidently overlook XXX thinking it's not me. | ||
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geript
10024 Posts
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
I just never read your username fully, I stopped after glancing that clusterfuck of lower/top case letters and digits lol Thoughts on WOS, solstice, and guys please sk8 | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On June 23 2013 09:16 geript wrote: @Sk8ter. You missed my key question. How is it that pre-shot you have BC as 100% scum (of 130%) but aren't trying to use the shot to help divine BC's alignment? Your post shot conclusion is not a bigger better push on BC but that Dandel is town. Explain. Look at this guy It's like he really wants people to read BC as scum (without calling him so himself) and like he really doesn't want people to see how supertown I am (without calling me scum himself) It's like he's scum. | ||
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s0Lstice
United States1832 Posts
my Xata and SnB reads have your panties in a bunch? nothing has changed, suspicions are definitely still there. The only thing of note with my scumreads that has happened between then and now is Xata's response, and I'm still considering it. I said I will update, and I will, but not before I'm ready. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17706 Posts
On June 23 2013 09:12 s0Lstice wrote: someone tell me why this is impossible use your imagination guys. we know so little about what roles are in the game right now. Skater- I think you are both probably town. I've said my reasoning on you before. As for BC, as this went on, the more clear it became that he really believes you are contributing to an anti-town atmosphere. I don't agree with the action, but the intent looks pure to me. A vig removing a person he views as hurtful to town is not a bad shot as far as that vig is concerned. It's not impossible, but it'd be nice if someone claimed they made a role which does something capable of stopping a dayvig, rather than random postulation of roles that *can* stop a dayvig. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17706 Posts
On June 23 2013 09:11 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote: I had only two choices either assume it's fake or die or maybe...##Lovetap Acrofales ? Or, you could have used the time you spent assuming it was fake to give reads (like I asked you to). So that in case you flipped, there was at least something useful in your filter. In particular an updated read on BC, which never really came. | ||
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xxSK8rGUy277xx
300 Posts
On June 23 2013 09:16 geript wrote: @Sk8ter. You missed my key question. How is it that pre-shot you have BC as 100% scum (of 130%) but aren't trying to use the shot to help divine BC's alignment? Your post shot conclusion is not a bigger better push on BC but that Dandel is town. Explain. First of all, holding me to the 100% scum I said in a troll post is just silly. The shot is not alignment indicative, a Scum could just have easily received the ability. I do not know the player well enough to know if he would attempt it as a scum though. Others have mixed reasons, I can only take it as a possibility. My post shot was initially that he is even more scummy. Later I posted why I thought Dandel is town because someone asked me to. If you want I can quote them for you and you can find their context. Or just filter. I feel like scum is allowing this day to focus on just BC and I. | ||
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s0Lstice
United States1832 Posts
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On June 23 2013 07:47 Acrofales wrote: Anybody feel like claiming they roleblocked BC? That whole thing just played out extremely weirdly... but I also think it pretty much confirms BC as a dayvig. I don't see any reason at all to lie about the ability and the way it played out as either alignment. If he is scum, then a townie with a town read on sk8er was quick on the trigger. In this case, it almost HAS to be a post-hoc roleblock, because I don't see a townie bothering to roleblock when all BC was doing was talking about deliberating about shooting. If he is town, then there's the added possibility that sk8er is scum and has a scumbuddy who can daytime (post-hoc?) roleblock. In this case it could have been a quick roleblock before he actually shot. Did anybody design a role that could have done a post-hoc roleblock? If not, I think we should lynch sk8er. The only way this would make sense is if: Sk8 is scum A scum created role X that can RB at day Another scum received that role That scum used it on Sk8 to save him It assumes that Sk8 is scum, the receiver of said role is scum, and the creator of said role is scum. That's too much coincidence. If the creator of said role is town, he'll just claim "I made this role and it exists!" and we'll know it exists, and it'll force the RBer to claim (if he doesn't RBer is scum) If the receiver of said role is town, he'll claim the RB (it's not like it "outs" him or anything, just say "I Rbed him") if Sk8 is town....well yeah lynching him is bad. | ||
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