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kitaman27
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Ace
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On June 09 2013 13:08 Ace wrote: Except I never list off all my town/scum reads. That's a known fact about me. Want to try again and actually respond to my last post? Give me one scum read outside of myself and an explanation why and I'll respond to your last post. | ||
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Ace
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On June 09 2013 13:03 Ace wrote: You aren't lynching me because it would be a stupid move. You should check me to avoid a disaster. I've already outlined this numerous times. I was under no pressure of getting lynched, could have easily not claimed Cop, or let anyone get mislynched if I was Scum. I'd also have the chance of Oats flip Town implicate me for a lynch the next day. Me getting lynched drops Scum Kp to 1, and allows for the scenario I outlined pre-game to take place. That is the entire reason Dandel Ion changed the Scum KP formula. For me to do all of this and risk the game, when I could have just done anything else is foolish. To account for this, as soon as I claimed I said you can check me tonight in the (at the time from my pov unlikely) event Oats flips Town. For me to be Scum here I'd have to: A.) fake a check on Oats. B.) Set up a reason to investigate him But my suspicions on Oats started entirely because he tunneled me when I was afk for most of Day 1. I even asked him why and he never responded. For me to be Scum here I would have to be gambling hard that I set him up and roll Cop the following night. That is a major stretch but ok, assume this is true and I am Scum. The next day, I am under no pressure to be lynched. However, I claim a Scum check on Oats knowing he'd eventually flip Town and screw me over. I'd have to be once again, gambling on the chance I get GF role or my scum team gets off another fake check. Ahead of time. For you to lynch me you have to accept that these 2 long- shot scenarios occurred. That I set myself up to be immune from investigation days before this scenario actually popped up. Now honestly, kita, Wos, and anyone else that wanted to lynch me before we even got to this point do you think I set all of this up? How would I have accounted for a bad roll of the dice if I am Scum? And how in the world are you all ignoring the fact that I am Town results in 8 players deaths in a row? Anyone who didn't take the time to think this scenario out and wanted a quick lynch are most likely Scum. You want to investigate someone else tonight? Pick between yourselves. Because Im not getting lynched tomorrow. Honestly? This defense is stupid. And anyone who falls for it is stupid. You didn't have to do shit ahead of time. As scum you can push a townie all day if he looks like shit to get him mislynched WITHOUT a cop check. If you are scum and you got cop it was just the icing on the cake to getting him mislynched. The only reason I can think of as to why you'd attempt the trade here is because you figure: a) you'll be able to weasel your way out of it. Like you're trying to do right now. b) You've set up fallback plans just in case you can't get people off your case. Those I'm not entirely sure of but it's not that hard to do. Hell, in Les Mafia we did the exact same thing. Vayne and I distanced ourselves so far in our reads that there was no way the two of us would ever be lynched even if one was. Your defense is weak, Ace. Hell just the fact that you'd insinuate that I am scum for attempting to push you today is just awful considering almost the entire town agreed with this plan ahead of time AND I DIDN'T EVEN LIKE IT. Show me all of the people who agreed to cop check you instead of lynch you on D3 and how anyone else is scum. Please. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
You've already made it clear you're not going to help us lynch scum, Ace, so there's no reason to continue discourse with you after the NKs. | ||
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JarJarDrinks
United States1302 Posts
That's why Sent decided to try and bus Ace. Reposting my case against Sentinal now that we're pretty sure Ace is scum: + Show Spoiler + On June 08 2013 04:58 JarJarDrinks wrote: I actually wish this Ace-Oats thing didn't happen so we could just go ahead and lynch Sentinel because he's by far the scummiest person in the thread. Sent can you tell me why you voted for Ace after the cop reveal? Cause I just read through your filter and several times you mention that you'd like to lynch Oats or that he's scummy. But nowhere do you act even a little bit suspicious of Ace. In fact you pretty much said the exact opposite: So after all that, Ace says he copchecked Oats and Oats is scum. So you decide to You're scum. Summary: - Sent spends all of day one suspecting Oats and saying that Ace isn't scummy. - He then scumslips @ night - Ace fakeclaims which basically guarantees that the next 2 lynches go Oats>Ace - Sent votes for Ace. For some reason, Sent thinks that Ace is lying about redchecking Oats even though he spent all of day 1 talking about how scummy Oats was and how not scummy Ace was. And like, when I bring this up, he doesn't try and defend himself @ all. He disapears from the thread because he doesn't want to derail the Oats lynch. Sent and Ace need to be our next lynches. I'd actually prefer Sent first because there is a small chance Ace checked the miller. But Sents vote for Ace makes no sense for town in that situation either so he's the better lynch. Either way, we shouldn't waste cop checks on them cause they're so far @ the end of the scum spectrum. Cop should check someone who's just a little suspicious like Vivax/Vayne/Jay. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
Alright Ace so that's three people now who don't think we should use the cop check on you. Not counting those who haven't spoken up since the flip. Guess that's all three scum coming out of the woodwork to push you right after a town flip, right? | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
If we don't get a green check then we aren't going to start playing mafia again for a long time. Just mindless boring shitty follow the cop claim we can't trust. If Ace has made this play as mafia then it was a bad play and it can only work if he gets lucky with the odds stacked against him. If Ace is town then we have been horribly screwed by the rng but that is a part of the game. But i would rather lose to rng than by assuming mafia are bad. So roll the dice and check Ace. Odds are we have cop and he isn't miller/gf. + Does anybody even want another red check? | ||
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Vivax
21682 Posts
On June 09 2013 21:16 layabout wrote: + Does anybody even want another red check? What does this even mean? It's DEMOCRACY TIME | ||
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prplhz
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prplhz
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Vivax
21682 Posts
 Got my chemistry oral tomorrow, otherwise I don't really give a fuck about this game, until this cop business is done I don't even need to analyze jack. Byebye | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On June 09 2013 22:19 prplhz wrote: Does miller flip miller if he's night killed? On June 07 2013 09:32 Dandel Ion wrote: Due to questionable questions that were questioned, a little PSA: A player can not have more than one role each night. If a role dies at night, it will be flipped as that role, not as VT/Goon. Word yo. | ||
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Vivax
21682 Posts
I'm currently assuming that ace is scum, and since scum knew what he was about to do before D2, they could have started to set themselves up for his later lynch. Kita switching from ace to Oats wasn't really all that transparent, and he should be smart enough to know that we would not lose the cop by lynching the claimer, so I don't understand his preference there. If I had a town read on Oats, I might reconsider, but with him flopping from Sent to prpl and then considering for a moment that someone other than Ace should be lynched, I didn't see where Oats made that flip-flop, so I would like Kita to show me where he got that notion, what I mostly recall from Oats were posts like this: On June 08 2013 03:50 Oatsmaster wrote: We are lynching Ace cause he fakeclaimed a red check on me. Dont derail this. If you derail this, its scummy. Dont do it I went on to check kita's earlier posts cause his latest questions to Ace could be construed as a distancing attempt, they are not really that useful and ace doesn't have to answer them anyway. He was mostly threatening to switch his vote to ace if he didn't answer them, but Oats still had the majority, and why should you need your N1 suspect to convince you to not vote for him? I'm curious to see if kita really had such good reasons to prefer Oats over ace after he had written those points against ace during N1. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On June 09 2013 21:16 layabout wrote: Please copcheck Ace. layabout, do you have a town read on Ace? Ignoring whether or not the cop check makes sense as scum, point me to what makes you think Ace is town from the last 48 hours. It really bothers me that you are parroting Ace. On June 09 2013 23:17 Vivax wrote: I'm actually curious about Kita writing up points against ace during N1 and then preferring to lynch Oats. What's the point of me writing up a case against my scum buddy Ace and then having him cop claim 5 minutes later. I'd know he was cop claiming ahead of time so I'd obviously want to set myself up to side with him like everyone else. On June 09 2013 23:17 Vivax wrote: I didn't see where Oats made that flip-flop, so I would like Kita to show me where he got that notion On night one he wanted to lynch sent because he was convinced he scum slipped. After the cop check, he brought up that he wanted to lynch outside of Ace/himself and lynch prpl, before it was pointed out that we could reduce the mafia kp. | ||
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Shakalaka
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<TehJob> But you can't post in the thread <TehJob> Answer the poll I'm going to link with "town" <TehJob> watch the consequences <TehJob> But it's a thread where only mafia players can post <TehJob> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=414632¤tpage=52#1031 No idea who or what, but probably relevant to the interests of this thread in some way. TehJob is webchat@109.112.120.16 * http://webchat.quakenet.org | ||
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kitaman27
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Dandel Ion
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