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On May 18 2013 23:52 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 23:26 Oatsmaster wrote:On May 18 2013 22:04 deconduo wrote:
Well seeing as I don't have much of a choice.
I'm Billy Shipton, a DT that can check people next to me. If I finish the turn next to someone, I get told they are town or not. If I finish next to multiple people, I get told how many are town. This is one of the reasons I suggested that everyone group together, it makes my role much more powerful. I also know that there is no godfather in the game.
I figure as I'm A and oats is B, if I move towards him and he moves towards me I can check him tonight. If I die, you know he's an angel and you can lynch him tomorrow. Alternatively Sentinel is within range of me checking them as well, but I still think oats is a better option. K sounds like a great idea. I love being confirmed town  . Or we lynch Deconduo if he survives. ##UnvoteNow ghost. Why is your vote still on me? So you will move towards me? Grand Also saying to lynch me if I survive is a bit stupid. While I fully expect to die, whats to stop mafia leaving me alive to save their KP for someone else and waste a lynch on me tomorrow?
Then scum wont shoot you and you get more checks.
Clearly cool strats.
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On May 18 2013 23:58 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 23:52 deconduo wrote:On May 18 2013 23:26 Oatsmaster wrote:On May 18 2013 22:04 deconduo wrote:
Well seeing as I don't have much of a choice.
I'm Billy Shipton, a DT that can check people next to me. If I finish the turn next to someone, I get told they are town or not. If I finish next to multiple people, I get told how many are town. This is one of the reasons I suggested that everyone group together, it makes my role much more powerful. I also know that there is no godfather in the game.
I figure as I'm A and oats is B, if I move towards him and he moves towards me I can check him tonight. If I die, you know he's an angel and you can lynch him tomorrow. Alternatively Sentinel is within range of me checking them as well, but I still think oats is a better option. K sounds like a great idea. I love being confirmed town . Or we lynch Deconduo if he survives. ##UnvoteNow ghost. Why is your vote still on me? So you will move towards me? Grand Also saying to lynch me if I survive is a bit stupid. While I fully expect to die, whats to stop mafia leaving me alive to save their KP for someone else and waste a lynch on me tomorrow? Then scum wont shoot you and you get more checks. Clearly cool strats.
I don't get more checks if I'm lynched...
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On May 19 2013 00:00 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 23:58 Oatsmaster wrote:On May 18 2013 23:52 deconduo wrote:On May 18 2013 23:26 Oatsmaster wrote:On May 18 2013 22:04 deconduo wrote:
Well seeing as I don't have much of a choice.
I'm Billy Shipton, a DT that can check people next to me. If I finish the turn next to someone, I get told they are town or not. If I finish next to multiple people, I get told how many are town. This is one of the reasons I suggested that everyone group together, it makes my role much more powerful. I also know that there is no godfather in the game.
I figure as I'm A and oats is B, if I move towards him and he moves towards me I can check him tonight. If I die, you know he's an angel and you can lynch him tomorrow. Alternatively Sentinel is within range of me checking them as well, but I still think oats is a better option. K sounds like a great idea. I love being confirmed town . Or we lynch Deconduo if he survives. ##UnvoteNow ghost. Why is your vote still on me? So you will move towards me? Grand Also saying to lynch me if I survive is a bit stupid. While I fully expect to die, whats to stop mafia leaving me alive to save their KP for someone else and waste a lynch on me tomorrow? Then scum wont shoot you and you get more checks. Clearly cool strats. I don't get more checks if I'm lynched...
Slight deviation from the plan.
How likely do you think it is that you are a zombie in disguise?
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On May 19 2013 00:01 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2013 00:00 deconduo wrote:On May 18 2013 23:58 Oatsmaster wrote:On May 18 2013 23:52 deconduo wrote:On May 18 2013 23:26 Oatsmaster wrote:On May 18 2013 22:04 deconduo wrote:
Well seeing as I don't have much of a choice.
I'm Billy Shipton, a DT that can check people next to me. If I finish the turn next to someone, I get told they are town or not. If I finish next to multiple people, I get told how many are town. This is one of the reasons I suggested that everyone group together, it makes my role much more powerful. I also know that there is no godfather in the game.
I figure as I'm A and oats is B, if I move towards him and he moves towards me I can check him tonight. If I die, you know he's an angel and you can lynch him tomorrow. Alternatively Sentinel is within range of me checking them as well, but I still think oats is a better option. K sounds like a great idea. I love being confirmed town . Or we lynch Deconduo if he survives. ##UnvoteNow ghost. Why is your vote still on me? So you will move towards me? Grand Also saying to lynch me if I survive is a bit stupid. While I fully expect to die, whats to stop mafia leaving me alive to save their KP for someone else and waste a lynch on me tomorrow? Then scum wont shoot you and you get more checks. Clearly cool strats. I don't get more checks if I'm lynched... Slight deviation from the plan. How likely do you think it is that you are a zombie in disguise?
I don't know what you mean?
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On May 19 2013 00:17 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2013 00:01 Oatsmaster wrote:On May 19 2013 00:00 deconduo wrote:On May 18 2013 23:58 Oatsmaster wrote:On May 18 2013 23:52 deconduo wrote:On May 18 2013 23:26 Oatsmaster wrote:On May 18 2013 22:04 deconduo wrote:
Well seeing as I don't have much of a choice.
I'm Billy Shipton, a DT that can check people next to me. If I finish the turn next to someone, I get told they are town or not. If I finish next to multiple people, I get told how many are town. This is one of the reasons I suggested that everyone group together, it makes my role much more powerful. I also know that there is no godfather in the game.
I figure as I'm A and oats is B, if I move towards him and he moves towards me I can check him tonight. If I die, you know he's an angel and you can lynch him tomorrow. Alternatively Sentinel is within range of me checking them as well, but I still think oats is a better option. K sounds like a great idea. I love being confirmed town . Or we lynch Deconduo if he survives. ##UnvoteNow ghost. Why is your vote still on me? So you will move towards me? Grand Also saying to lynch me if I survive is a bit stupid. While I fully expect to die, whats to stop mafia leaving me alive to save their KP for someone else and waste a lynch on me tomorrow? Then scum wont shoot you and you get more checks. Clearly cool strats. I don't get more checks if I'm lynched... Slight deviation from the plan. How likely do you think it is that you are a zombie in disguise? I don't know what you mean?
why do none of you have a sense of humor  .
Really boring guys. really boring.
im disappointed.
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This is hard. Dec has every single piece of info a scum would have assuming he's the DT. It would be easy to abuse the role and either name actual townies as townies, or bus his teammate to become the most trusted man in the game. But considering there's only two scum left, this wouldn't probably happen. Going back to the first part though, prolonging the game also benefits scum due to move speed increase.
Dec I don't trust you at all because the last two days you've been constantly setting off my scumdar.
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Day 2 Lynch
Oatsmaster (4): Zephirdd, ghost_403, mkfuba07, [UoN]Sentinel, deconduo, Sharrant
Sharrant (2): ghost_403, Zephirdd, phagga
deconduo (2): Blazinghand, [UoN]Sentinel
The lynch will happen in at 20:00 GMT (+00:00). With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch. Let me know if I missed something or made a mistake.
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On May 19 2013 00:20 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2013 00:17 deconduo wrote:On May 19 2013 00:01 Oatsmaster wrote:On May 19 2013 00:00 deconduo wrote:On May 18 2013 23:58 Oatsmaster wrote:On May 18 2013 23:52 deconduo wrote:On May 18 2013 23:26 Oatsmaster wrote:On May 18 2013 22:04 deconduo wrote:
Well seeing as I don't have much of a choice.
I'm Billy Shipton, a DT that can check people next to me. If I finish the turn next to someone, I get told they are town or not. If I finish next to multiple people, I get told how many are town. This is one of the reasons I suggested that everyone group together, it makes my role much more powerful. I also know that there is no godfather in the game.
I figure as I'm A and oats is B, if I move towards him and he moves towards me I can check him tonight. If I die, you know he's an angel and you can lynch him tomorrow. Alternatively Sentinel is within range of me checking them as well, but I still think oats is a better option. K sounds like a great idea. I love being confirmed town . Or we lynch Deconduo if he survives. ##UnvoteNow ghost. Why is your vote still on me? So you will move towards me? Grand Also saying to lynch me if I survive is a bit stupid. While I fully expect to die, whats to stop mafia leaving me alive to save their KP for someone else and waste a lynch on me tomorrow? Then scum wont shoot you and you get more checks. Clearly cool strats. I don't get more checks if I'm lynched... Slight deviation from the plan. How likely do you think it is that you are a zombie in disguise? I don't know what you mean? why do none of you have a sense of humor . Really boring guys. really boring. im disappointed.
Everytime I make jokes people accuse me of being a scum
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Due to circumstances outside my control, I cannot be here at the deadline. Because of this, the next day post will be a few hours late, but the day will still end in at 20:00 GMT (+00:00). Sorry for any inconvenience this causes. Remember that votes and actions submitted after the deadline will not count. I was lenient Day 1 with the deadline, but will not be lenient Day 2.
During the break, I recommend that you all watch the Doctor Who episode "Blink" from Season/Series 3 and see what inspired this game of mafia. It is one of my favorite episodes of Doctor Who, and you can watch it even if you haven't watched an episode of Doctor Who before. I know it is available on Netflix and Amazon Instant Video and probably many other places as well, but I know those two off the top of my head.
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Will Greymist still manipulate the board and such during your absence?
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On May 19 2013 00:21 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Going back to the first part though, prolonging the game also benefits scum due to move speed increase.
Where did you see that scum get a move increase as the game is prolonged? The only thing I could see was in Vivax's role PM which said:
Your movement speed begins at [redacted] and increases [redacted].
In the meantime, I'm going to ##Unvote
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I assumed that since it was included in Vivax's role PM, it does increase by some amount and could potentially increase for all 3 angels. At any rate, KP ensures that a long game favors scum.
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On May 19 2013 00:23 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2013 00:20 Oatsmaster wrote:On May 19 2013 00:17 deconduo wrote:On May 19 2013 00:01 Oatsmaster wrote:On May 19 2013 00:00 deconduo wrote:On May 18 2013 23:58 Oatsmaster wrote:On May 18 2013 23:52 deconduo wrote:On May 18 2013 23:26 Oatsmaster wrote:On May 18 2013 22:04 deconduo wrote:
Well seeing as I don't have much of a choice.
I'm Billy Shipton, a DT that can check people next to me. If I finish the turn next to someone, I get told they are town or not. If I finish next to multiple people, I get told how many are town. This is one of the reasons I suggested that everyone group together, it makes my role much more powerful. I also know that there is no godfather in the game.
I figure as I'm A and oats is B, if I move towards him and he moves towards me I can check him tonight. If I die, you know he's an angel and you can lynch him tomorrow. Alternatively Sentinel is within range of me checking them as well, but I still think oats is a better option. K sounds like a great idea. I love being confirmed town . Or we lynch Deconduo if he survives. ##UnvoteNow ghost. Why is your vote still on me? So you will move towards me? Grand Also saying to lynch me if I survive is a bit stupid. While I fully expect to die, whats to stop mafia leaving me alive to save their KP for someone else and waste a lynch on me tomorrow? Then scum wont shoot you and you get more checks. Clearly cool strats. I don't get more checks if I'm lynched... Slight deviation from the plan. How likely do you think it is that you are a zombie in disguise? I don't know what you mean? why do none of you have a sense of humor . Really boring guys. really boring. im disappointed. Everytime I make jokes people accuse me of being a scum
You clearly make bad jokes.
I make good jokes.
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I think I buy the role claim.
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Alright, I'm not sure I find the outcome of today's night actions as indicative of both oats and deconduo's alignments as they seem to find them, but unless there's a counterclaim I'm not going to vote for deconduo today.
I'm still kind of iffy on oats. I'm gonna say why by responding to one of BH's posts:
On May 18 2013 20:01 Blazinghand wrote:
Just... look, I'm sorry, I need to go to bed, this is it for tonight, but i'll lay it out more simply, okay?
imagine oats is town and he's telling the truth. He PMed the hosts and was like "I move up 3 spaces and left 2 while looking up" or something. for this to be true, all this requires is oats glossed over a post or two in the thread and the host saying "ok, I understand what he sent me, no need to send him a snarky PM requiring him to re-send in his movement". This is pretty easy to imagine. I bet this is what happened.
now imagine oats is scum and this is a legit slip. he pmed the hosts saying "move my dummy up 3 spaces and left 2" because this is how scum move their dummies. for this to be true, hosts have to be running two different ways of keeping track of movement, which seems needlessly complicated, and use both of those for moving dummies around. and then there's the same assumption that oats glossed over soem of the thread, but this time as scum instead of town.
since both scenarios require oats not paying attention to the post, the fact that he did in fact not realize how to move is not the part that's different between our two potential outcomes. Both outcomes assume oats glossed over this post.
You guys
ugh, you guys
good night. vote deconduo.
His town oats scenario is what's bothering me. In that situation, the hosts saw that oats didn't follow the movement rules that were emphasized twice in the thread, and allowed him to use movement rules that were different than everyone else in the game. Contrary to what BH thinks I believe, I don't think that the hosts actually implemented different move schemes for each alignment. I think that either: the hosts made a mistake, or they simply allowed it because oats already knew where he was. As a matter of fact, when BH says "...all this requires is oats glossed over a post or two in the thread and the host saying 'ok, I understand what he sent me, no need to send him a snarky PM requiring him to re-send in his movement'", I feel that that more accurately depicts what would happen in the case of scum oats. Scum oats gains absolutely nothing from them using his instructions, while town oats is being allowed to move in a cardinal direction without knowing his location on the map (the very thing vivax was caught trying to convince us to do). It's true that both situations require oats to have glossed over those clarification posts, but only the scum situation explains why the hosts would allow him to use those move instructions - because he already knew where he was, and asking him to change his instructions would just result in him ending in the same location.
I'm open to switching my vote to someone who's not oats or deconduo, but I'd have to be convinced. Sharrant was looking particularly shady to me after his defenses of vivax, but marv did seem to be coming around to him(though marv didn't get a chance to comment after vivax's flip). He's where my focus would have been if all of this hadn't happened with oats, but I haven't gone too in-depth through his filter.
Also, the timer in the voting thread says that we have about 35 minutes left to the deadline, but I think we're supposed to have two hours on top of that. Which one do we use?
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I'm sold on deconduo's claim. Billy Shipton is a police detective according to dr who wiki, and his earlier plans align with his role's powers. I say we leave both deconduo and oats alive.
I still dont like Sharrant; He is still tapping on the same key of oats' post. "I wanted to move here" could be interpreted in many ways and he chooses to interpret the one that makes oats scum - despite saying he liked oats' latest post so much. In fact the whole "I like this post but you are still scum" is really terrible for me.
And I don't like the idea of sheeping marv on this guy specifically. Marv said he was town without knowledge of Vivax's alignment(who sharrant defended hard) and a lot as developed since(mainly his insistence on the oats lynch despite the main creator of the argument - me - having dropped it altogether).
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Blazinghand
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I'm assuming it's 2 hours, 30 minutes since that's where the deadline was last time. I get what you're saying regarding the possibility of scum oats, and I definitely see how it COULD be a slip. Of the people on oats at the time I made my post, you are unique fuba in that you didn't express a townread of any sort on him beforehand. I understand how your thought process went. If I had a scumread on a guy (or at least a non townread) something that could be percieved as a scumslip would definitely ring alarm bells for me. What I don't get is decon, ghost, and sent who all were like "yeah oats is probably / definitely / above the level of suspicion town" and see something that could be interpreted as a scumslip then get on his ass.
I'll admit there's a possibility Oats is scum, and I see how you thought. decon, ghost and sent I don't understand.
that being said, I believe decon's claim, at least for now. he'll probably be dead before he can get anything done.
There are two more players I want to lynch today, and they are Sharrant and Ghost.
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On May 19 2013 02:22 fferyllt wrote:
I think I buy the role claim.
I think you need to post more.
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
actually hm not so sure on sharrant, just ghost
##unvote
##vote ghost
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On May 19 2013 02:47 Zephirdd wrote:I think you need to post more.
yeah i've vaguely toyed with the idea of what would effectively be a lurker lynch on fferyllt. I gave him a pass because he seemed to be interacting with the thread but now he's doing things like this. I also give him some credit for being part of the last-minute voteswap both to decon and to vivax, when he could have easily stayed on decon.
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