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fferyllt
United States317 Posts
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
I dislike a deconduo lynch though. I made a big post about all players where I say it - there was a question he asked that makes me think would never be asked by an angel. Vivax looks like a better lynch than decond atm IMO | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16627 Posts
If deconduo did this in every game, he wouldnt be scum off that right? So the lynchpin is META. Why are we arguing about this????? Meh sharrants posting and explanations sound legit, basically look at marv's post cause I wouldnt want to steal the credit right BH? hmm?  ##Unvote ##Vote: Vivax Im not convinced that deconduo is scummier than Vivax though, same mafia motivated plan, but also horrible policy lynch on me. Vivax has stopped doing this shit as town. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On May 17 2013 02:04 Oatsmaster wrote: bad plan = mafia motivated plan. If deconduo did this in every game, he wouldnt be scum off that right? So the lynchpin is META. if you take out what I said about meta, the point stands for itself. So no, the lynchpin is not meta. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16627 Posts
On May 17 2013 02:05 marvellosity wrote: if you take out what I said about meta, the point stands for itself. So no, the lynchpin is not meta. butttt if he did this shit as town, he wouldnt be scum off that. kk I get what you mean. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On May 17 2013 02:04 Zephirdd wrote: We can still lynch sharrath i thimk. Deadline is in 3 hours iirc. Posting from phone @class so forgive me if this post is rushed. I dislike a deconduo lynch though. I made a big post about all players where I say it - there was a question he asked that makes me think would never be asked by an angel. Vivax looks like a better lynch than decond atm IMO You need to elaborate on this for 2 reasons: 1) in your post you actually say decon's posts come across as pretty scummy 2) I can't see anything he asked that either alignment couldn't have asked. Explain to me. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16627 Posts
I could vote for deconduo if vivax is not gonna happen | ||
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
Ok a deconduo lynch is much better than I thought.. Let me recheck some stuff now. Phone browsing is hard, lemme reread some stuff. | ||
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Vivax
21685 Posts
Upon rereading the whole thread, I now have someone else I would lynch: Zephir. On May 15 2013 06:34 Zephirdd wrote: players and angels seem to be entirely anonymous. I could have a gun and point my flashlight to an angel, but I would not know it unless I had knowledge of my own handle(the letter on the board). Angels, on the other hand, have full knowledge of the board and what does it do. That said, I'll claim that I will move four my full movement speed on day 1 in order to figure who I am. I will claim my MS after the movements are solved in order to not allow an angel to try to mimic my movements. anyone agrees/disagrees with that? Also BJ are together hueheu His posts are designed to look useful, but they actually contain a lot of false or pointless information. Bolded for false, italic for pointless. False cause you would get a message that you saw an angel last night. Pointless cause what he says is like saying "Mafia knows who townies are", and mafia can fakeclaim movement speed anyway. In the next post, he goes as far as to refer to this again, but contradicting himself in the process. + Show Spoiler + On May 15 2013 08:56 Zephirdd wrote: I do believe it is safe to assume that Angels have a moderate-to-high movement speed. Their objective is to feed on three town players - not kill, feed. In the same sense, I also assume players with a strong role are supposed to have a low movement speed, and weaker or positional-dependant roles have a higher MS. That said, I do believe it is quite easy to rule B as a non-angel. In fact, I find it hard to believe anyone on the group of A,J,B,C,F are Angels, simply because they are too close to each other. That does NOT rule them out as Angels, I just think it is less likely. ((for instance, if I could pick anyone there to be an angel, I'd say it's F or A because they seem have the smallest possibility of catching another player day 1)) That said, I like the idea of claiming the movement right before the lynch. If we can keep track of who is who(keep in mind Angels already have that info), we can use movement patterns to town's advantage. Remember that you can mask your maximum MS if you don't want to disclose it(ie. claim moving "3 tiles" even if your MS is 5), and you could even try to create breadcrumbs prior to the night post in order to get a good claim. He says that we should claim our movement speed, but also says it's fine to mask our movement speed by fakeclaiming. How does that make any fucking sense? It's just going to make it harder to discern who is who, and if you claim another movement speed than the one you used, then it's just going to get you into trouble later. When the Sentinel matter arose, he quickly took his side, showing him being trigger-happy on me despite what had been posted on page 1 since the start of the game, but not only that. The whole matter was about setup speculation, and what shows that Zephir's whole reasoning is bogus, is the fact that 1) First he attacks me for saying we could claim max MS 2) When phagga points out that the host said the angels could already know it, he quickly retracts the vote. 3) The next time he votes for me, he actually says I am pushing votes aggressively in one line, says I am not tunneling in the next line (implying that tunneling is townie) and then he says I am scum for just setup speculating when I have been pushing Oats already, by his own words. Also, why unvote me before if that was setup speculation too? This shows that he is just bringing multiple reasons up to push a lynch on me, and the timing to jump on the bandwagon on me is more telling anyway. 1) + Show Spoiler + On May 16 2013 05:20 Zephirdd wrote: sentinel's post is legit. Claiming max MS gives scum the information we don't have. This is the passage: Why are we required to move at max MS? by claiming direction+speed+facing_direction, we already narrow down tons of possibilities. also this It's a 25x25 board. It's not predictable when we are completely protected from one entire side of the board. Vivax, bring in your scum reads. Reasoning etc, be active. ##Vote Vivax 2) On May 16 2013 05:29 Zephirdd wrote: Oh. Yes. okay.jpg ##unvote 3) On May 16 2013 22:10 Zephirdd wrote: fferyllt disappeared after the initial pressure, as if he was fine with my unvote and didn't need to post anymore after that. Sigh. Sharrant made one freaking post. I understand that he said "I have little time" etc but he simply made one post and, after nobody mentioning him, disappeared. ghost_404 seems to be playing as normal from what I remember, not reading too much into it. Sentinel attracted too much attention for a scum Sentinel, at least this early. marv feel green. BH latest few posts are really weird. I had a green read early on. mkfuba is alive, hooray. Now here's to hoping he can contribute something other than fluff and self-defense. deconduo's play feels underwhelming and dare-I-say, scummy. His case on someone, after we pressured him a little bit, was a case on the 2-post guy that posted on the beginning of the game. He did have a pretty pro-town plan early on, and if he was an Angel he probably would never have asked the question of "who is what" on the board. Oatsmaster is acting pretty much how I'd expect a town Oats to act. Knowing him from IRC, he is 17 year old I think(or 16?), so I don't expect essays out of his posts - and he is being really abrasive. I think a scum Oats would be more reserved, prodding here and there but never being aggressive as he is now. If anyone played with scum Oats, please do prove me wrong. Vivax seems to be really focused on Oatsmaster, and is trying to lynch him out of policy. Not only that, he seems to be pretty much ignoring any other player on the board except Sentinel(which he dropped atm). He IS being actually really aggressive towards oats, and calling oats' play "playing like scum" is, in my opinion, bullshit. Oats has a history of not liking setup talk(which means its not a scumtell) but he isn't actively trying to fuck up with reads or something like that, nor he is trying to blend in and go unnoticed. And specially, he is not tunnel-visioning - at least not like Vivax. phagga seems like the standard townie. Nothing to add. mkfuba = lol Good morning everyone! Having said all of that, I was about to vote fferyllt again but Vivax's obsession with BJ is troubling me. Why talk about movement again, and not try to scumhunt? I don't know, look at other players other than oats, ask questions etc... instead he came back to setup talk. That makes no sense. I want to kill Vivax, fferyllt and Sharrant, in this order. ##vote Vivax ##Vote Zephirdd | ||
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
Sentinel needs to be more careful with his reading and posting. The above vote clearly shows he missed Vivax's last post, which asked him a few questions. He also misquoted me instead of Blazing. He said he was posting from his phone, but either way he should double check things before hitting the post button, as he's not contributing properly otherwise. Decs post before his ghost "case". Ok two things. First, sentinel and deconduo vanished. Poof. Secondly, this post is more like telling sentinel what he should do to be safe than giving his thoughts on sentinel(what I had asked). I would be fine with this, but he doesnt try to tell fferyllt what she should do like he does with sentinel on that post. There is kind of an incosistency with his interaction between those two. AAaand deconduo's case on ghost is downright strawpicking IMO. I do think anyone who followed that case at the time did a bad thing. Ok i am going backwards of what I said earlier, and leaft my vote on ghost. ##vote ghost_403 (will bold on vote thrd) | ||
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
Its fixd on vote thread. Hi vivax, will read your post soon | ||
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Vivax
21685 Posts
On May 17 2013 02:04 Zephirdd wrote: We can still lynch sharrath i thimk. Deadline is in 3 hours iirc. Posting from phone @class so forgive me if this post is rushed. I dislike a deconduo lynch though. I made a big post about all players where I say it - there was a question he asked that makes me think would never be asked by an angel. Vivax looks like a better lynch than decond atm IMO Why do you want to lynch Sharrant. You said this earlier. He now has made more posts, there is no updated reasoning from your side, you're just looking for something easy to lynch. Sharrant made one freaking post. I understand that he said "I have little time" etc but he simply made one post and, after nobody mentioning him, disappeared. | ||
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
Secondly, claiming movement and max MS are two different things. I could move 3 MS, move 3 tiles, claim 3 MS moved but stil have 4 max ms. My first vote on you was bad and I felt bad for it. 3)I said Oats was not tunneling, and that You were. What do you think of the differences between deconduo's interaction about fferllyt and Sentinel? | ||
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
On May 17 2013 02:30 Vivax wrote: Why do you want to lynch Sharrant. You said this earlier. He now has made more posts, there is no updated reasoning from your side, you're just looking for something easy to lynch. Because of what marv said + his sudden jump on deconduo. I dont see much substance either on his few posts. I also have trouble formuling ideas and writting them on the phone. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
We need to start consolidating; Vivax I'm not voting for Zephirdd today and I find it extremely unlikely 6 people other than you will too. Look into what I said about deconduo please? | ||
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Sharrant
Canada543 Posts
On May 17 2013 02:39 Zephirdd wrote: Because of what marv said + his sudden jump on deconduo. I dont see much substance either on his few posts. I also have trouble formuling ideas and writting them on the phone. Do you mean about what Marv said about how he still should have lynched me? Also, what do you think is scummy about my switch over to Deconduo? | ||
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Vivax
21685 Posts
I am not a fan of incriminating people based on the setup talk, rather for shutting it down, and even a bad idea is only as influential as the number of people following it. Proposing ideas with the potential to look so bad reads to me as unafraid, actually, people jumping at bad ideas screaming bloody murder read as scum. I disagree with his read on ghost though. His point is that ghost is scum for saying mechanics are useless and then discussing them nontheless. Scum doesn't want to post extra much without reason. There was intrinsic motivation for ghost to discuss mechanics even after announcing it wouldn't be the best idea, that means he's likely town, unless he's some master at self-representation. @ Zephir How can you say I was not scumhunting, it's not like I've only been talking setup the whole day. | ||
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Vivax
21685 Posts
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
On May 17 2013 02:49 Vivax wrote: As for deconduo, you call his post to be drop and run, when you don't know his schedule, and part of it is his setup talk. I am not a fan of incriminating people based on the setup talk, rather for shutting it down, and even a bad idea is only as influential as the number of people following it. Proposing ideas with the potential to look so bad reads to me as unafraid, actually, people jumping at bad ideas screaming bloody murder read as scum. I disagree with his read on ghost though. His point is that ghost is scum for saying mechanics are useless and then discussing them nontheless. Scum doesn't want to post extra much without reason. There was intrinsic motivation for ghost to discuss mechanics even after announcing it wouldn't be the best idea, that means he's likely town, unless he's some master at self-representation. @ Zephir How can you say I was not scumhunting, it's not like I've only been talking setup the whole day. Deconduo disappeared after the ghost case. At this time yesterday he had posted at least once. Also you talked about two things: oats and setup. Where is sentinel by the way...? '-' he was postig a lot yesterday, but now that the steam is off him he is gone. @shatt I missed your post where you said you read the nested quote, and thought it was really weird. | ||
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