EPT@Vivax should he provide a good(great) defense + some thoughts/scumhunting of his own that makes sense, I'll gladly jump out of the vote line.
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
@Vivax should he provide a good(great) defense + some thoughts/scumhunting of his own that makes sense, I'll gladly jump out of the vote line. | ||
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Vivax
21682 Posts
On May 17 2013 02:39 Zephirdd wrote: Because of what marv said + his sudden jump on deconduo. I dont see much substance either on his few posts. I also have trouble formuling ideas and writting them on the phone. Marv said he's backing off him. So? | ||
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Vivax
21682 Posts
On May 17 2013 02:57 Zephirdd wrote: Deconduo disappeared after the ghost case. At this time yesterday he had posted at least once. Also you talked about two things: oats and setup. Where is sentinel by the way...? '-' he was postig a lot yesterday, but now that the steam is off him he is gone. @shatt I missed your post where you said you read the nested quote, and thought it was really weird. No, I also talked about sentinel, and now I'm talking about you.. It's ridiculous that you try to call people for scum by judging them by their quantity of reads. You for example have a post where you mention mkfuba=lol, not really worth mentioning, you should rather have people look at what you have to say regarding your subjects of most interest. Scum knows quantity looks good, town looks where they care to look. On May 17 2013 02:59 Zephirdd wrote: There he is lol @Vivax should he provide a good(great) defense + some thoughts/scumhunting of his own that makes sense, I'll gladly jump out of the vote line. But you said this earlier: Secondly, this post is more like telling sentinel what he should do to be safe than giving his thoughts on sentinel(what I had asked). I would be fine with this, but he doesnt try to tell fferyllt what she should do like he does with sentinel on that post. There is kind of an incosistency with his interaction between those two. AAaand deconduo's case on ghost is downright strawpicking IMO. I do think anyone who followed that case at the time did a bad thing. If you would truly believe these points you are made, how does him appearing and doing other stuff change your read on him? The points you are making seem to be unrelated to the future. Are you sure that he's scum or not? | ||
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Vivax
21682 Posts
If I have to vote decon for self-preservation, I will. But I'm not very happy with it. | ||
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Vivax
21682 Posts
On May 17 2013 02:52 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: My plan is to leave a vote on ghost for now. I'll be home in an hour and a half where I'll try to contribute before the lynch. I've skimmed the thread since my last post and will reread when I get home. Vote: ghost_403 Start here once you're back, I find it hard to figure out how you missed a post so close to yours: I disagree with his read on ghost though. His point is that ghost is scum for saying mechanics are useless and then discussing them nontheless. Scum doesn't want to post extra much without reason. There was intrinsic motivation for ghost to discuss mechanics even after announcing it wouldn't be the best idea, that means he's likely town, unless he's some master at self-representation. | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
On May 17 2013 01:38 marvellosity wrote: I actually have remarkably little time between now and the deadline, which is annoying. Curses early deadline! There are two main reasons I could lynch deconduo, since I keep canvassing opinion about it. First of all, there's the drop and run case on ghost. It's an easy case for mafia to make (yes yes, I know I agreed with some of it), and besides it there's very little interactions or comments on other players. I did a check on some of his previous games earlier, in PYP Boardwalk, decon was pretty quick to offer comments on several different players, unlike here. I generally don't have many reads day 1. With boardwalk, don't forget there was all the picking and buildup going into it, so by the time I was actually giving out reads the game, specifically this post, there was already 50 pages of gameplay. More than double what we have so far in this one. If you read through most of my games, you'll see I'm generally quiet enough until day 2. On May 17 2013 01:38 marvellosity wrote: Secondly there's this post: I still feel this plan is pretty mafia-motivated. As I understand how the movement rules work, giving pre-determined directions to players has massive benefits for mafia, because they know how the movements correspond to each player, which could help them determine how the hidden angels that we don't know about would move, while giving out information ahead of townies ahead of time is meaningless because they can't know who they are. Its obviously a flawed plan, but that's the whole point of putting it out there and getting feedback. The problem with the original plan is that there's the possibility of people doubling up their moves, making identification of all the players not 100% guaranteed going into day 2. I was trying to come up with a way to overcome this. It wasn't something I spent a few hours working out, I just came up with the idea and posted it to see what people though of it. I didn't pressure anyone to use it, and I didn't say 'This is 100% the way we have to do things'. I don't see why that was scummy in your eyes. Overall this isn't a particularly great case, so I'm surprised so many have jumped the bandwagon on it. Especially you and zeph who I would consider to be my strong town reads atm. | ||
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Vivax
21682 Posts
zeph who I would consider to be my strong town reads atm. wat maybe read thread before posting | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
On May 17 2013 02:57 Zephirdd wrote: Deconduo disappeared after the ghost case. At this time yesterday he had posted at least once. I had a project due 30min ago, which I sent in on the deadline  Just catching up since then. | ||
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
On May 17 2013 03:07 Vivax wrote: No, I also talked about sentinel, and now I'm talking about you.. It's ridiculous that you try to call people for scum by judging them by their quantity of reads. You for example have a post where you mention mkfuba=lol, not really worth mentioning, you should rather have people look at what you have to say regarding your subjects of most interest. Scum knows quantity looks good, town looks where they care to look. But you said this earlier: If you would truly believe these points you are made, how does him appearing and doing other stuff change your read on him? The points you are making seem to be unrelated to the future. Are you sure that he's scum or not? I am not 100% sure. As I am not 100% with any other player in this game. I also believe that a player can defend himself, or become useful. His fferllyt/sentinel post is really scummy, but it's not impossible for a town player to make a post like that. That's why I'm waiting his responses and other people's opinions on it. The specific post where I say "mkfuba=lol" is the post where I am asserting my reads on every player right as I wake up. I don't do this all the time, but when I feel it's been a while since I posted I like to do it. Yes, you are right. You did interact with Sentinel earlier on. The longer the time passes and the more you talk, the more I think I made a bad case. Good job? anyways, hi deconduo On May 17 2013 03:25 deconduo wrote: I generally don't have many reads day 1. With boardwalk, don't forget there was all the picking and buildup going into it, so by the time I was actually giving out reads the game, specifically this post, there was already 50 pages of gameplay. More than double what we have so far in this one. If you read through most of my games, you'll see I'm generally quiet enough until day 2. Its obviously a flawed plan, but that's the whole point of putting it out there and getting feedback. The problem with the original plan is that there's the possibility of people doubling up their moves, making identification of all the players not 100% guaranteed going into day 2. I was trying to come up with a way to overcome this. It wasn't something I spent a few hours working out, I just came up with the idea and posted it to see what people though of it. I didn't pressure anyone to use it, and I didn't say 'This is 100% the way we have to do things'. I don't see why that was scummy in your eyes. Overall this isn't a particularly great case, so I'm surprised so many have jumped the bandwagon on it. Especially you and zeph who I would consider to be my strong town reads atm. Please do explain why did you talk about fferyllt and Sentinel so differently on this post: + Show Spoiler + On May 16 2013 05:19 deconduo wrote: I don't know why ffer took so much offence to Sentinel defending him. While everyone can speak for themselves, there's no reason not to chime in with your opinion on matters. Apart from that, his last post seems reasonable enough, though calling these two posts 'reads' is stretching somewhat Sentinel needs to be more careful with his reading and posting. The above vote clearly shows he missed Vivax's last post, which asked him a few questions. He also misquoted me instead of Blazing. He said he was posting from his phone, but either way he should double check things before hitting the post button, as he's not contributing properly otherwise. Ugh. In this case, scrap the gathering together plan for now. Specifically, you gave an advice to Sentinel, but for fferllyt you called her reads "stretch". No "she needs to be careful", no "she should reassert something before calling it a read" or something like that. Tell us, what do you think of Sentinel and fferllyt at this time, about their play. Also do talk about ghost while you're at it. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On May 16 2013 22:41 mkfuba07 wrote: Now I'm wondering if Vivax doesn't fully understand how movement works (or if I don't), or if we're misunderstanding what he's trying to say... On May 16 2013 22:43 Vivax wrote: I checked actually, and misunderstood how movement works. Forget everything I said -.- convenient, but i'm not buying it. at all. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
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Blazinghand
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
I'm willing to lynch him if consolidation is needed, but as it stands, Vivax is who I'd much rather lynch. | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
On May 17 2013 03:34 Zephirdd wrote: anyways, hi deconduo Please do explain why did you talk about fferyllt and Sentinel so differently on this post: + Show Spoiler + On May 16 2013 05:19 deconduo wrote: I don't know why ffer took so much offence to Sentinel defending him. While everyone can speak for themselves, there's no reason not to chime in with your opinion on matters. Apart from that, his last post seems reasonable enough, though calling these two posts 'reads' is stretching somewhat Sentinel needs to be more careful with his reading and posting. The above vote clearly shows he missed Vivax's last post, which asked him a few questions. He also misquoted me instead of Blazing. He said he was posting from his phone, but either way he should double check things before hitting the post button, as he's not contributing properly otherwise. Ugh. In this case, scrap the gathering together plan for now. Specifically, you gave an advice to Sentinel, but for fferllyt you called her reads "stretch". No "she needs to be careful", no "she should reassert something before calling it a read" or something like that. Tell us, what do you think of Sentinel and fferllyt at this time, about their play. Also do talk about ghost while you're at it. Sentinel had talked about his phone being the cause of his problems, which is a mechanical problem as opposed to a style of play. I can't tell someone to 'play better', but I can suggest they double check before they post. As for now, ffer's filter is still almost as bare as it was when I posted that. Still complaining about Sentinel defending her, with no real basis behind it. Also she jumped on the Vivax bandwagon, which I need to look over a bit as well. Overall still pretty devoid of any significant content, but there are worse offenders for that at the moment. Wouldn't say I have a strong feeling either way atm. Sentinel also hasn't posted a lot since, however I did like this post of his: On May 16 2013 10:46 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: It's possible. Which means maybe yes, maybe no. If yes, then angels gain nothing and town gains something. If no, then the angels and town both gain something, but angels gain more because they can use the info to win whereas town only needs to coordinate. However, in the second scenario, townies are able to lie/stay silent to protect themselves. If my movement speed was 5, for instance, I could say I had 2-3 movespeed to attract nearby angels. I see something I'm not supposed to, I can use all 5 the next night and dart around like the wind. Again, assuming the angels know nothing. Really it's all chance. And I don't think it's worth a night experimenting with it. So I'm going to back away from this and agree to disagree. At the very least we will voice our movements before the deadline for clarity's sake. Anything else, like you said, is open to discussion. ##unvote Time for some thoughts on Ghost's recent post. I find a bunch of problems with this alone. Being alone while scumhunting makes my mafiadick hard. It means I can focus on what's already present in the thread with a clear mind, without having to worry about changing conditions. A lot of my reasoning goes out the window when the thread updates. I don't know why you'd have a problem with it and resort to lurking. Explain me why you vote for Vivax and not myself. That's a shitty vote to throw around. Game plan for myself is to organize my thoughts because that's what I'm lacking right now. I'm going to draft up another spreadsheet to consolidate my reads tomorrow and then start making calls from that. He has a different opinion on something to vivax, but he was able to put it aside without shitting up the thread. I don't see many mafia doing that really. He also followed up on my case against ghost. | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
On May 16 2013 08:54 ghost_403 wrote: A brief retort at Marv and Dec: Only an idiot would completely ignore the mechanics of a game. I chimed in my two cents, and then I was off to scum hunt. Unfortunately, it seems that no one is around whenever I'm here. Your reasons for voting me are terrible. Not a good sign, haven't decided what to make of that. This is precisely what you said: On May 15 2013 11:09 ghost_403 wrote: Two quick thoughts. First of all, this is a Greymist game. Don't rely on mechanics or power roles or anything else. At the end of the day, the only way to make sure that the town wins the game is to really rely on scum hunting. Focus on finding scum, don't get too caught up in the mechanics. Yet all you did after saying that is to talk about the mechanics. You also never responded as to why you claimed your movement speed. Then your defense against the case is that its bad, followed by your excuse for not scumhunting being 'No one is around' I really don't see a need to move my vote. | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
I see no reason to change my opinion on zeph. Yes he's voting for me, but being wrong doesn't make him scummy. | ||
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
Or rather, of my case on Vivax? | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
On May 17 2013 04:19 Zephirdd wrote: dec, whats your opinion of Vivax's case on me? Or rather, of my case on Vivax? After reading over his filter he's really only posted about the setup and defending himself. His case against you is based on semantics more than anything else. However I wouldn't say he's done anything really scummy per se, he just seems to be a bit scattered. He's attempting to contribute at the least, which is more than can be said for several other players. I'd keep an eye on him, but I wouldn't consider him to be a day 1 lynch. | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On May 17 2013 02:02 fferyllt wrote: I'm seriously considering sheeping you, marvellosity. Want to reread some thread sections first, though. This is now disgusting. You can't say this and then disappear. | ||
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