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[u]I was the Business Former Development Manager for Team AZK.[/u] I paid for the down payment to secure the event location and many other costly expenses such as some of the more expensive hotel (because Gus said called me to the states from the Philippines to provide extra finances cos the Team was broke. I was also the one who gave Gus Ledesma, whom at the time had only visions of local and C-Class level tournaments while i had the idea of creating a premier gaming team and International Gaming and Electronic expo in based in the emerging market that is the Philippines.
I would rather make myself anonymous as i was never interested in fame or the limelight but merely believed that the Philippines was a great place to create an World Class E-Sports Industry and Electrpmoc Entertainment Expo because of the fact of its tourism, low cost of products and expenses, strategically located between the east and west etc.. I was also integral in all the sponsorships granted to Team AZK and the only person to travel in the Team around Asia (under my own expense) to try to get sponsors internationally before the Team was even recognized internationally. I gave the title of Gus the head/ of Team AZK because he said that he wanted that and that he has alot of experience in that. and he would do a great job. He did well for maybe a a week and went straight downhill from there.
My plan was to build PPSL to a global brand under an umbrella corporation which will eventually become a premiere E-Sports/Electronic expo for Asia. I made the mistake of trusting Gus Ledesma( Whom i met only for 6 months but claimed that he had execellent background and expertise in the local gaming community. I had agreed to entrust Gus (because i did not know anybody in the community and i was just doing it for fun at the moment). As soon as our team finished sponsorship deals i fronted some of the money that will be paid AFTER or later during the event ( My role was to fix business plans, projections, proposals, target markets both raise and invest money into the organization because i strongly believed it was going to be successful, i was horribly wrong) Because of the fact that i wanted to finish my Masters Degree in Business in the United States and as well as take care of my other business, i left about 2-3 months before the event started to finish school .
All Gus needed to do was to use and execute our Business Plan and made sure the event ran smoothly. He had Team Staff help him but his leadership was just not up to par. This did not make him a hero but indeed made him incompetent and negligent. He couldve told me the problems of the event in progress but refused to give speicfic details that made or whole applying our world class Vision while utilizing the cash flow we raised to build and take care of the community, provide an excellent stream and production quality (as explained by David Ting in our meeting in New Jersey , venue, staff salaries, plane tickets, marketing etc.I highly regret leaving the Philippines before the event for the US back to finish college because i had become complacent because of the fact that we have accomplished so much in so little time and we had already made sure that our budget will allow me to recoup my OWN expenses as well as go for PPSL 2 or a Electronic Gaming Festival. Apparently i was wrong and has not matured enough. I did not get back a single cent from any of this and was just left with a pretty good life lesson. I hope no one ever goes through this the hard way. For my self, i have learned how scammers operate and how you can counteract them by doing your necessary DD and research. Also People who got reimbursed by IGN unnecessarily should pay people who actually deserve it.
Moral of the story : Any one man can make a big diffrence in the world.But you have to work 100% on it.
Gus Ledesma- He may be not the coldest beer in the fridge but he was not a monster nor a hero. He was just a guy who tried his best but ended up being really horrible.
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Please note at this point we are talking about $500 over the ORIGINAL amount of debt that was supposedly paid to Amanda by IGN. Also note that Alex said there is additional interest owing on the debt that Amanda could still be prosecuted for. This could even account for the figure being slightly higher than expected.
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On April 16 2013 02:20 Pobbes wrote:
cheeky, you might need more concrete evidence on the Rossi cheating thing. honestly, i sometimes watch streams during tournaments and when it's my turn to play i pause the stream. the name will still be there in the viewer list but the stream isn't on.
Also, from the things i can remember about gus. it was so long ago so i don't know if these are correct:
1. Initially not wanting to accept heLp from non-AZK people. 1-2 weeks before PPSL, there was another event held in Manila and it went off without a hitch. The same people offered help but they were refused. Eventually i think they were allowed to help but in a minor role? i don't remember too well.
2. Gus not wanting profiles of non-AZK people who helped out with the event put in the PPSL website. IIRC he raged when this was proposed.
3. Inviting Jabi and EnDerr to play a showmatch in an AZK tournament, but not allowing them to join said tournament.
4. I don't know if this was during tournament or just a showmatch but he'd PM his players telling him his opponent's moves, units, etc. (I'm pretty sure about this one because my friend used to be AZK and Gus PM'd him during said tourney / showmatch. although i think it was just a showmatch)
5. Leaving Clive to foot the remainder of the hotel bill was not cool. Threatening with a lawyer when approached was even worse.
6. Not sleeping 3 Days prior to the event, but posting pics of him drinking with Tastosis? mmm... you'd think he'd want to sleep when he could instead of spend the night partying.
7. HoNslaught. it was NEVER addressed. the players waited the whole day and nothing happened. poor guys.
There might be more, but i can't remember anymore. Anyway, my point is Gus probably really wanted the event to work. He probably isn't the scam artist we were initially lead to believe, but the guy is a douche. he mismanaged the whole thing and didn't man up to it.
The stream cheating issue was because YYJ told me they did. Because i was hell bent on getting a rematch for mOOnglaDe i called dox, txt'd Gus, but they didn't want the drama. and the timeframe was cutting it too fine already.
at the event i told rossi what YYJ said and that i saw his name in the stream chat, he told that his stream was on mute.
Now YYJ could of just been trying to upset us because it was funny, true or not, this is one of the reasons why Gus was upset with Sea players.
also YYJ skyped my sister stating the same thing, if anyone knows how to get your skype history back.... please let us know!
1. I know there was a rivalry, I know Gus was paranoid that people were out to get him.... well if history is any indicator i think its safe to say that paranoia is somewhat justified.
2. Before the event i know he was upset with the branding, it was mainly that it looked like Dox was running the event. Now since people from sea have posted dox blog in here, when dox does write something it can look innocent and it can look like he is taking credit. (let me know if you want it scanned its at home) i have the original flyer/booklets from AZK-ppsl
even tho he did "rage" about the Wiki (in private) many thank-yous to Dox, other managers and teams were printed.
3. I would need to clarify this.
4. I would need to clarify this. but i have heard that this was a rumor or a claim that was made when he was in an internet cafe, i believe not related to the event.
5. I was at the hotel, Amanda was getting clive worked up. my family offered before gunrun was even there to foot the bill.
Amanda (you can even read her own blog) bought "muscle" she claims he was apparently her uncle that was high up in the police.
I got my sister to tweet "gus is here" hoping to stop the hate online.
amanda got gunrun to pay, gunrun left and then told us not to tell gus "to see what he would do" when he tried to arrange for an extension and change the debt into his name, the hotel manager told him it was paid for.
a lawyer isn't a luxury someone like Gus can afford. He is one of the only friends that stood by Gus and was his bestman at his wedding. from my understanding his friend, i think he is on his way to be a lawyer.
Amanda wanted money, she bought a damn dude with a gun to the hotel! not even in uniform.
6. i was there as well for that photo. the casters were happy, gus was like a zombie that day but smiled for this photo and had a drink from peer pressure. I know what it looks like, but as my family spent the first week with gus, i was in the car when clive dropped him to work in the middle of nowhere. He wasn't out the whole night drinking, he had one or 2 drinks from memory with dinner, spent most of his time on his phone texting.
from what he told me at the time, if the foreigners enjoyed them self they would be back. a lot of money was spent on "entertainment" for the guests.
but i can only tell you what i saw, before and after that photo, was not a man partying, it was a person who was a guide in what can be a scary country.
7. there are airfares that amanda wouldnt purchase. people like myself got money back, and korean managers on the day were reimbursed, yes, sadly with the allocated hon money. Because future sponsorship was being revoked, the event financially no longer possible.
Gus did take the blame and hoped others would "man up" with the other end.
It was miss management from Gus and a very bad decision of him to trust anyone, with or without a contract.
He should not of bowed to the pressures of IPL's event standards. It was too big too fast for ONE man to manage.
he was not the only manager of this event, he was the one that made some really poor decisions because of trust.
at the end of the day, Gus has only let me release this information in hopes that Amanda can give the money back to the people who the money was raised to help. Staff members are still out of pocket and angry.
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On April 16 2013 01:28 Shortizz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2013 21:53 deth wrote:
The major problem I see here is that you're so absolutely sure of yourself, that you start from the position that everything Gus says is true and that everyone else is part of this huge conspiracy to steal money and ruin a guy's life.
You're completely ignoring all compelling evidence put forward from many other community members, and painting a completely biased picture from one side of the equation. No effort whatsoever has been given to balance here.
It's so evident through all your chat logs that you weren't discussing the issues with the people at hand, you were persecuting them.
EDIT2: I'd also point out that accusing Rossi of stream cheating is just as bad, if not worse than half the shit you're defending ledesma from here. ^This. OP's tone is condescending and borderline arrogant(This is your last chance). I graduated with a degree in accounting and some of the screenshots looks perfectly fine to me(Financial ones), the only ones that are shady are the breakdown of the money paid to amanda and breakdown of certain SS of flight payments. If you did abit of googling, you would realise that the exchange rate of 42.85 is actually very fair. You youself said that it was 43-44, so honestly 0.15 isnt that big of a deal. Keep in mind that exchange rates you searched on the internet tend to be better than those offered by banks and money changers. I would agree that Amanda seems to be shady but my opinion on Gus still stands, hes a lazy scum but misappropriated funds. Also, on Rossi stream cheating. Nope, not buying it. I dunno the guy on a personal level but ive been active on SEA for 2-3 years. But im telling you, i dont believe it.
yes but you have US dollars, and the total is in US, why are you paying the bill in php?
the screen shots are her accounting. if you do the math for the usd to php from the start it starts to get funky.
as an accountant would you call that number fluffing?
15000 php is missing in one of the invoices.
but its the constant number fluffing and editing of the tickets. on one ticket a tax is charged for no reason.
look at any flight eTicket, that thing has fare information, like how much the ticket cost.
The exchange rate is a joke, because there is no money to exchange. the bill is in usd paid with usd.
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On April 16 2013 09:50 -CheekyDuck- wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2013 02:20 Pobbes wrote:
cheeky, you might need more concrete evidence on the Rossi cheating thing. honestly, i sometimes watch streams during tournaments and when it's my turn to play i pause the stream. the name will still be there in the viewer list but the stream isn't on.
Also, from the things i can remember about gus. it was so long ago so i don't know if these are correct:
1. Initially not wanting to accept heLp from non-AZK people. 1-2 weeks before PPSL, there was another event held in Manila and it went off without a hitch. The same people offered help but they were refused. Eventually i think they were allowed to help but in a minor role? i don't remember too well.
2. Gus not wanting profiles of non-AZK people who helped out with the event put in the PPSL website. IIRC he raged when this was proposed.
3. Inviting Jabi and EnDerr to play a showmatch in an AZK tournament, but not allowing them to join said tournament.
4. I don't know if this was during tournament or just a showmatch but he'd PM his players telling him his opponent's moves, units, etc. (I'm pretty sure about this one because my friend used to be AZK and Gus PM'd him during said tourney / showmatch. although i think it was just a showmatch)
5. Leaving Clive to foot the remainder of the hotel bill was not cool. Threatening with a lawyer when approached was even worse.
6. Not sleeping 3 Days prior to the event, but posting pics of him drinking with Tastosis? mmm... you'd think he'd want to sleep when he could instead of spend the night partying.
7. HoNslaught. it was NEVER addressed. the players waited the whole day and nothing happened. poor guys.
There might be more, but i can't remember anymore. Anyway, my point is Gus probably really wanted the event to work. He probably isn't the scam artist we were initially lead to believe, but the guy is a douche. he mismanaged the whole thing and didn't man up to it. The stream cheating issue was because YYJ told me they did. Because i was hell bent on getting a rematch for mOOnglaDe i called dox, txt'd Gus, but they didn't want the drama. and the timeframe was cutting it too fine already. at the event i told rossi what YYJ said and that i saw his name in the stream chat, he told that his stream was on mute. Now YYJ could of just been trying to upset us because it was funny, true or not, this is one of the reasons why Gus was upset with Sea players. also YYJ skyped my sister stating the same thing, if anyone knows how to get your skype history back.... please let us know!
would appreciate it if you stopped including me in this with your baseless accusations and misquotes. I'm not sure why you think its okay to make comments against me considering there literally isn't one iota of evidence.
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On April 16 2013 09:50 -CheekyDuck- wrote:
The stream cheating issue was because YYJ told me they did. Because i was hell bent on getting a rematch for mOOnglaDe i called dox, txt'd Gus, but they didn't want the drama. and the timeframe was cutting it too fine already.
at the event i told rossi what YYJ said and that i saw his name in the stream chat, he told that his stream was on mute.
Now YYJ could of just been trying to upset us because it was funny, true or not, this is one of the reasons why Gus was upset with Sea players.
also YYJ skyped my sister stating the same thing, if anyone knows how to get your skype history back.... please let us know!
For christ sake if you have ANY proof of either Rossi or Yoon cheating, please, by all means, post it. Right now you are making accusations that are incredibly defamatory to both with absolutely NOTHING credible to back you. You either don't seem to understand the seriousness of this kind of accusation or you just straight out don't care.
Also for those wondering, at the time of the event Yoon and Rossi were not teammates, neither was under the management of dox, the team Nv had not been conceived yet, and Dox would have no personal gain in some sort of malicious scheming to fuck over other Australian players. If anything Dox and Glade go way back and if there was ANY fucking remote shred of credible evidence of cheating in his tournament presented to him, especially against a person he's interacted with for years, I am more than sure appropriate action would have been taken, as there is absolutely 0 reason why it wouldn't have been.
I'm not touching the rest of the issues raised in this thread with a 10ft pole, but the cheating accusations need to stop unless you have something better than your own personal testimony.
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On April 16 2013 02:23 littlemozart7 wrote:
what about the fundings for all the players accommodation? i only see rachel's and gunrun's accommodation reciepts. those $$$ all been accounted for?
no these are day 1
a lot of people are still out of pocket, a lot of staff members have not been paid.
when you get $5000 from donations from the community like Amanda.
and then people say well her accounting is overpaying her only a couple hundred.
statements like "i didn't make a cent"
"it all went to the agency"
"i didn't get paid"
to what extent do you trust her invoices as being legit?
i can show you my plane tickets, quoted rates in dox's blog of plane tickets.
eg. mine $400 return (group booking sale thing with family) syd to manila
rossi ticket $1402
full retail: apx $800-900
korea full retail return: apx$450
14 players no group discount: $731
on top of that the number are rounded up in a currency conversion.
if you are paying an airline directly in US for a US priced ticket, why are converting to PHP, unless the money will be used in the country?
staff fees per person range in cost. but for the weekend people like Sonny Go are owed apx $140
what ever money was raised should of gone to the staff members it was raised for.
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On April 16 2013 10:23 -CheekyDuck- wrote:
eg. mine $400 return (group booking sale thing with family) syd to manila
rossi ticket $1402
full retail: apx $800-900
korea full retail return: apx$450
14 players no group discount: $731
on top of that the number are rounded up in a currency conversion.
if you are paying an airline directly in US for a US priced ticket, why are converting to PHP, unless the money will be used in the country?
so 2 things...
1. Rossi paid more than 'full retail'. It's obviously not unheard of for this kind of thing to cost more than what you call 'full retail'. Why are you up in arms about the prices booked through a travel agent being more than 'full retail'. It generally does cost more when someone performs a service for you like managing your bookings instead of doing it yourself. At worst you've just said Amanda's business overcharges and Gus went with a far more expensive option than was necessary.
2. You've only provided some invoices, no real proof that the currency was converted.... I don't really understand why you seem to a think a Phillipine business would not do their accounting in PHP. How are you so sure the money was actually paid in PHP?
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On April 16 2013 10:16 Ftrunkz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2013 09:50 -CheekyDuck- wrote:
The stream cheating issue was because YYJ told me they did. Because i was hell bent on getting a rematch for mOOnglaDe i called dox, txt'd Gus, but they didn't want the drama. and the timeframe was cutting it too fine already.
at the event i told rossi what YYJ said and that i saw his name in the stream chat, he told that his stream was on mute.
Now YYJ could of just been trying to upset us because it was funny, true or not, this is one of the reasons why Gus was upset with Sea players.
also YYJ skyped my sister stating the same thing, if anyone knows how to get your skype history back.... please let us know!
For christ sake if you have ANY proof of either Rossi or Yoon cheating, please, by all means, post it. Right now you are making accusations that are incredibly defamatory to both with absolutely NOTHING credible to back you. You either don't seem to understand the seriousness of this kind of accusation or you just straight out don't care. Also for those wondering, at the time of the event Yoon and Rossi were not teammates, neither was under the management of dox, the team Nv had not been conceived yet, and Dox would have no personal gain in some sort of malicious scheming to fuck over other Australian players. If anything Dox and Glade go way back and if there was ANY fucking remote shred of credible evidence of cheating in his tournament presented to him, especially against a person he's interacted with for years, I am more than sure appropriate action would have been taken, as there is absolutely 0 reason why it wouldn't have been. I'm not touching the rest of the issues raised in this thread with a 10ft pole, but the cheating accusations need to stop unless you have something better than your own personal testimony.
I understand that you are close with NV.
and no i don't know if it happened, even if i could contact skype and get my sisters data.
all a screenshot would prove is that it was said, not that it happened.
i have the screen shot of me discussing it with Gus at the time on skype.
I called dox on skype. without selling more people out, i am not the only one that knew.
Dox gained a lot from this? he got his top sea NV team.
I haven't been a part of the sea scene since my mother passed. As such i have only made one event and no longer travel to events.
I have literally nothing to gain. Many people have lost out by others being selfish, it would be nice if people would just come forward and do the right thing.
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On April 16 2013 10:38 -CheekyDuck- wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2013 10:16 Ftrunkz wrote:On April 16 2013 09:50 -CheekyDuck- wrote:
The stream cheating issue was because YYJ told me they did. Because i was hell bent on getting a rematch for mOOnglaDe i called dox, txt'd Gus, but they didn't want the drama. and the timeframe was cutting it too fine already.
at the event i told rossi what YYJ said and that i saw his name in the stream chat, he told that his stream was on mute.
Now YYJ could of just been trying to upset us because it was funny, true or not, this is one of the reasons why Gus was upset with Sea players.
also YYJ skyped my sister stating the same thing, if anyone knows how to get your skype history back.... please let us know!
For christ sake if you have ANY proof of either Rossi or Yoon cheating, please, by all means, post it. Right now you are making accusations that are incredibly defamatory to both with absolutely NOTHING credible to back you. You either don't seem to understand the seriousness of this kind of accusation or you just straight out don't care. Also for those wondering, at the time of the event Yoon and Rossi were not teammates, neither was under the management of dox, the team Nv had not been conceived yet, and Dox would have no personal gain in some sort of malicious scheming to fuck over other Australian players. If anything Dox and Glade go way back and if there was ANY fucking remote shred of credible evidence of cheating in his tournament presented to him, especially against a person he's interacted with for years, I am more than sure appropriate action would have been taken, as there is absolutely 0 reason why it wouldn't have been. I'm not touching the rest of the issues raised in this thread with a 10ft pole, but the cheating accusations need to stop unless you have something better than your own personal testimony. I understand that you are close with NV. and no i don't know if it happened, even if i could contact skype and get my sisters data. all a screenshot would prove is that it was said, not that it happened. i have the screen shot of me discussing it with Gus at the time on skype. I called dox on skype. without selling more people out, i am not the only one that knew. Dox gained a lot from this? he got his top sea NV team. I haven't been a part of the sea scene since my mother passed. As such i have only made one event and no longer travel to events. I have literally nothing to gain. Many people have lost out by others being selfish, it would be nice if people would just come forward and do the right thing.
What a load of shit, Nv was originally launching with YYJ, Me, Rossi and Pinder, and was not a result of dox magically getting exposure or whatever from PPSL. Far from the truth. FYI dox was floating the idea of making this team with us long before PPSL ever happened.
Andy was a surprise late addition to the team, because he was entertaining another offer at the time.
Why are you continuing to try and drag dox/rossi/yyj's name through the mud? It's beyond ridiculous at this point.
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On April 16 2013 10:00 -CheekyDuck- wrote:
yes but you have US dollars, and the total is in US, why are you paying the bill in php?
Why does it matter? She listed the numbers in both USD and in PHP in her email, and even provided the exchange rate. MULTIPLE people have stated this exchange rate was both correct and fair for the time period. This is a non-issue.
On April 16 2013 10:00 -CheekyDuck- wrote:
the screen shots are her accounting. if you do the math for the usd to php from the start it starts to get funky.
as an accountant would you call that number fluffing?
15000 php is missing in one of the invoices.
Yes we can see the screenshots. MULTIPLE people (including myself) have the calculations and everything adds up pretty much 100%. If you'd like to specifically point out the number fluffing, it would greatly help move the conversation forward.
On April 16 2013 10:00 -CheekyDuck- wrote:
but its the constant number fluffing and editing of the tickets. on one ticket a tax is charged for no reason.
look at any flight eTicket, that thing has fare information, like how much the ticket cost.
So you're basing your accusation on the lack of information? Regardless of whether you think that the price of tickets were fudged, you have no evidence to support this. In fact the actual cost of flights (without tax) are very similar to the numbers Dox posted. Even without tax, the higher range Dox posted are so close to Amanda's number that it's hardly unbelievable.
I'd like to you provide evidence on a few major points of your accusation. If you could post it in an easy to read & understandable format it would be greatly appreciated:
1. Point out exactly where the number fluffing occurred. Post the evidence to support this claim
2. Show exactly where Amanda made "a huge profit", and post the evidence that supports this claim.
3. Point out where she lied, and provide evidence of this.
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On April 16 2013 10:43 deth wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2013 10:38 -CheekyDuck- wrote:On April 16 2013 10:16 Ftrunkz wrote:On April 16 2013 09:50 -CheekyDuck- wrote:
The stream cheating issue was because YYJ told me they did. Because i was hell bent on getting a rematch for mOOnglaDe i called dox, txt'd Gus, but they didn't want the drama. and the timeframe was cutting it too fine already.
at the event i told rossi what YYJ said and that i saw his name in the stream chat, he told that his stream was on mute.
Now YYJ could of just been trying to upset us because it was funny, true or not, this is one of the reasons why Gus was upset with Sea players.
also YYJ skyped my sister stating the same thing, if anyone knows how to get your skype history back.... please let us know!
For christ sake if you have ANY proof of either Rossi or Yoon cheating, please, by all means, post it. Right now you are making accusations that are incredibly defamatory to both with absolutely NOTHING credible to back you. You either don't seem to understand the seriousness of this kind of accusation or you just straight out don't care. Also for those wondering, at the time of the event Yoon and Rossi were not teammates, neither was under the management of dox, the team Nv had not been conceived yet, and Dox would have no personal gain in some sort of malicious scheming to fuck over other Australian players. If anything Dox and Glade go way back and if there was ANY fucking remote shred of credible evidence of cheating in his tournament presented to him, especially against a person he's interacted with for years, I am more than sure appropriate action would have been taken, as there is absolutely 0 reason why it wouldn't have been. I'm not touching the rest of the issues raised in this thread with a 10ft pole, but the cheating accusations need to stop unless you have something better than your own personal testimony. I understand that you are close with NV. and no i don't know if it happened, even if i could contact skype and get my sisters data. all a screenshot would prove is that it was said, not that it happened. i have the screen shot of me discussing it with Gus at the time on skype. I called dox on skype. without selling more people out, i am not the only one that knew. Dox gained a lot from this? he got his top sea NV team. I haven't been a part of the sea scene since my mother passed. As such i have only made one event and no longer travel to events. I have literally nothing to gain. Many people have lost out by others being selfish, it would be nice if people would just come forward and do the right thing. What a load of shit, Nv was originally launching with YYJ, Me, Rossi and Pinder, and was not a result of dox magically getting exposure or whatever from PPSL. Far from the truth. FYI dox was floating the idea of making this team with us long before PPSL ever happened. Andy was a surprise late addition to the team, because he was entertaining another offer at the time. Why are you continuing to try and drag dox/rossi/yyj's name through the mud? It's beyond ridiculous at this point.
Can you back your "...far from the truth..." claim with evidence? I understand you are part of the Nv team and have emotional interest in regards to this situation but calling it "a load of shit" and then making a claim without support is really...strange :S
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I really have to request that this thread be closed.
It made a STRONG accusation against Amanda, based on Cheekyduck's own assumptions, which till now hasn't be substantiated by further evidence. For me this is the main point of the thread, and if you're accusing someone of cheating based on YOUR OWN assumptions, it's just very misleading to a lot of people who can't be bothered to do the math.
Secondly, why are you constantly bringing up the YYJ/Dox/Rossi issue. This feels more of a personal thing than anything related to the main claims you make regarding Amanda being a cheat, which you still struggle to substantiate.
While we all can appreciate the efforts to help Gus out a bit, the fact that you make strong but unsubstantiated accusations and you constantly bring up a personal issue isn't helping the cause and is making this more and more a personal mission more than anything.
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On April 16 2013 10:38 -CheekyDuck- wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2013 10:16 Ftrunkz wrote:On April 16 2013 09:50 -CheekyDuck- wrote:
The stream cheating issue was because YYJ told me they did. Because i was hell bent on getting a rematch for mOOnglaDe i called dox, txt'd Gus, but they didn't want the drama. and the timeframe was cutting it too fine already.
at the event i told rossi what YYJ said and that i saw his name in the stream chat, he told that his stream was on mute.
Now YYJ could of just been trying to upset us because it was funny, true or not, this is one of the reasons why Gus was upset with Sea players.
also YYJ skyped my sister stating the same thing, if anyone knows how to get your skype history back.... please let us know!
For christ sake if you have ANY proof of either Rossi or Yoon cheating, please, by all means, post it. Right now you are making accusations that are incredibly defamatory to both with absolutely NOTHING credible to back you. You either don't seem to understand the seriousness of this kind of accusation or you just straight out don't care. Also for those wondering, at the time of the event Yoon and Rossi were not teammates, neither was under the management of dox, the team Nv had not been conceived yet, and Dox would have no personal gain in some sort of malicious scheming to fuck over other Australian players. If anything Dox and Glade go way back and if there was ANY fucking remote shred of credible evidence of cheating in his tournament presented to him, especially against a person he's interacted with for years, I am more than sure appropriate action would have been taken, as there is absolutely 0 reason why it wouldn't have been. I'm not touching the rest of the issues raised in this thread with a 10ft pole, but the cheating accusations need to stop unless you have something better than your own personal testimony. and no i don't know if it happened, even if i could contact skype and get my sisters data. all a screenshot would prove is that it was said, not that it happened. i have the screen shot of me discussing it with Gus at the time on skype. I called dox on skype. without selling more people out, i am not the only one that knew.
I understand fully that you dont have evidence and wish you did. My point is that making baseless accusations like this is ridiculous and you should stop putting forth arguments towards it, the world will not condemn anyone based off your word alone, especially when your own words clearly state "no i don't know if it happened"... So why on earth bring it up to a public forum? How can you do that and not expect a backlash????
Dox gained a lot from this? he got his top sea NV team.
How, on earth, did this one lone event, have anything to do with dox 'getting his top sea NV team' (of which the player you're accusing him of screwing over is a part of... and teammates with the other players who apparently screwed him over???)... They creation of Nv and this tournament were MONTHS apart. the two players youre accusing were under management of different teams at the time. Both players have had numerous results, most notably at LAN tournaments, before and after the PPSL preceding the creation of Nv. Hell, Nv was created from 5 TEAMLESS people at the time (myself deth and rossi were teamless after ArcMSi ran into financial trouble and disbanded, yoon had left iM previous to it and glade was searching for quite a while after FXO).
I still 100% fail to see, at all, how any collaboration of cheating between Yoon and Rossi makes any sense, or how Dox would have ANYTHING to gain from letting them get away with it if he knew they did.
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On April 16 2013 10:56 Gerlan wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2013 10:43 deth wrote:On April 16 2013 10:38 -CheekyDuck- wrote:On April 16 2013 10:16 Ftrunkz wrote:On April 16 2013 09:50 -CheekyDuck- wrote:
The stream cheating issue was because YYJ told me they did. Because i was hell bent on getting a rematch for mOOnglaDe i called dox, txt'd Gus, but they didn't want the drama. and the timeframe was cutting it too fine already.
at the event i told rossi what YYJ said and that i saw his name in the stream chat, he told that his stream was on mute.
Now YYJ could of just been trying to upset us because it was funny, true or not, this is one of the reasons why Gus was upset with Sea players.
also YYJ skyped my sister stating the same thing, if anyone knows how to get your skype history back.... please let us know!
For christ sake if you have ANY proof of either Rossi or Yoon cheating, please, by all means, post it. Right now you are making accusations that are incredibly defamatory to both with absolutely NOTHING credible to back you. You either don't seem to understand the seriousness of this kind of accusation or you just straight out don't care. Also for those wondering, at the time of the event Yoon and Rossi were not teammates, neither was under the management of dox, the team Nv had not been conceived yet, and Dox would have no personal gain in some sort of malicious scheming to fuck over other Australian players. If anything Dox and Glade go way back and if there was ANY fucking remote shred of credible evidence of cheating in his tournament presented to him, especially against a person he's interacted with for years, I am more than sure appropriate action would have been taken, as there is absolutely 0 reason why it wouldn't have been. I'm not touching the rest of the issues raised in this thread with a 10ft pole, but the cheating accusations need to stop unless you have something better than your own personal testimony. I understand that you are close with NV. and no i don't know if it happened, even if i could contact skype and get my sisters data. all a screenshot would prove is that it was said, not that it happened. i have the screen shot of me discussing it with Gus at the time on skype. I called dox on skype. without selling more people out, i am not the only one that knew. Dox gained a lot from this? he got his top sea NV team. I haven't been a part of the sea scene since my mother passed. As such i have only made one event and no longer travel to events. I have literally nothing to gain. Many people have lost out by others being selfish, it would be nice if people would just come forward and do the right thing. What a load of shit, Nv was originally launching with YYJ, Me, Rossi and Pinder, and was not a result of dox magically getting exposure or whatever from PPSL. Far from the truth. FYI dox was floating the idea of making this team with us long before PPSL ever happened. Andy was a surprise late addition to the team, because he was entertaining another offer at the time. Why are you continuing to try and drag dox/rossi/yyj's name through the mud? It's beyond ridiculous at this point. Can you back your "...far from the truth..." claim with evidence? I understand you are part of the Nv team and have emotional interest in regards to this situation but calling it "a load of shit" and then making a claim without support is really...strange :S
It was a result of a dinner discussion around mid 2011. Take it with a grain of salt (i certainly would), but at the end of the day it's outrageous that cheeky can vilify dox and the team with an assumption of guilt and complete lack of evidence.
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On April 16 2013 01:34 -CheekyDuck- wrote:
you would need to do the math (from the start) to start seeing the numbers don't add up
her exchange rate is 42.85 the usd final price doesn't match (continually done over invoices)
It's obviously you that needs to do the math and explain carefully every step of the process. Your evidence is really poorly organized and there's a lot of ambiguity in your arguments. Several people in this thread have tried to do the math as you suggested, and have come to the conclusion that your post is either missing some numbers or just not true. Please re-do the math and do it in a clear and readable way, instead of just throwing around the magical number 42.85.
Your original post was poorly written, and you should try to be far more elaborate if you're trying to accuse someone of actually stealing money.
Also, someone's name being on stream viewer list is not proof. Even accusing a progamer of being a streamcheater will put a flag on his name and may be harmful to his career. That was just pointless.
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On the whole Rossi stream cheating accusation, I have watched Rossi stream many times, played against him in online tournaments and some small LAN events, he is well mannered, legit dude and it would be very hard for me to think that he would stream cheat at all.
And to repeat what slmw had said Also, someone's name being on stream viewer list is not proof. Even accusing a progamer of being a streamcheater will put a flag on his name and may be harmful to his career. That was just pointless.
Accusing a person of stream cheating without proper evidence is not right, it will create negative publicity regardless if the accusation is true or not.
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On April 16 2013 10:34 [Erasmus] wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2013 10:23 -CheekyDuck- wrote:
eg. mine $400 return (group booking sale thing with family) syd to manila
rossi ticket $1402
full retail: apx $800-900
korea full retail return: apx$450
14 players no group discount: $731
on top of that the number are rounded up in a currency conversion.
if you are paying an airline directly in US for a US priced ticket, why are converting to PHP, unless the money will be used in the country?
so 2 things... 1. Rossi paid more than 'full retail'. It's obviously not unheard of for this kind of thing to cost more than what you call 'full retail'. Why are you up in arms about the prices booked through a travel agent being more than 'full retail'. It generally does cost more when someone performs a service for you like managing your bookings instead of doing it yourself. At worst you've just said Amanda's business overcharges and Gus went with a far more expensive option than was necessary. 2. You've only provided some invoices, no real proof that the currency was converted.... I don't really understand why you seem to a think a Phillipine business would not do their accounting in PHP. How are you so sure the money was actually paid in PHP?
because the only price is on an email that amanda wrote.
we have no idea what these tickets cost.
She manually removed any information on the ticket
because a member from AZK saw gus pay php from an atm to amanda which are reflected in her receipts that also state PHP.
then you see her bill in USD. and i know IGN paid her in USD but she still charged them extra for them to convert to PHP.
two invoice she sent on the same day, i just cropped to the bottom.
when asked to expand the totals numbers change.
only Rachelle ticket had fare information, as a one off invoice that i found in her sent inbox.
as you can see the the 3rd image the fare is in USD
but if you took the time (like i painfully did) and research the taxes 1620php is only a tax if you have lived in the country for a year.
the other tax charge XT could have been altered, but who knows.
also you can see the total is 70317 PHP
(documents Have been altered)
what is interesting is the when she sends the ticket to Rachel, the fare information has been removed.
and last is an email quote for rossi ticket. taxes are more than my flight!
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This is the only official invoice sent to Gus. as you can see the fare information does not match the invoice total.
and reflects the calculations of Amanda's number "fluffing" i do not know the extent of this "fluffing"
altering taxes, i dunno, really? not a big deal.
agency's can charge booking fees etc. but they have to be CLEARLY labeled.
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It's astonishing how little actual hard evidence is in the OP for all the bluster about exposing 'truth' and going down the 'rabbit hole'. The numbers add up close enough, the stream cheating accusations are baseless and I can't actually see what anyone besides Gus did wrong. It's still Gus' fault for not working with his travel agent and making sure he wasn't getting taken advantage of. The OP is just slandering those involved based on reams of anecdotal chatlog 'evidence' and accounting information she feels she's qualified to say is definitely fraudulent (which probably isn't). From any sort of serious legal/journalistic perspective the OP reads like a conspiracy nutjob on a vendetta. If the evidence was clear-cut it'd speak for itself.
On April 16 2013 09:50 -CheekyDuck- wrote:
at the end of the day, Gus has only let me release this information in hopes that Amanda can give the money back to the people who the money was raised to help. Staff members are still out of pocket and angry.
So this is Gus' perspective on the whole thing. Explains a lot.
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On April 16 2013 04:46 Weirdkid wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2013 00:18 pdd wrote:
Great, it's reopened, I can finally post the analysis I took about 1 hours to compile/write.
Can we talk about the numbers for a second? How much exactly is Cheekyduck suspecting that Amanda made? $5,847.90? Because from what I understand off Cheekyduck's evidence, the only amount I see as a major problem is the money lost due to IGN paying an extra $500 or so.
Difference in quotations between email Amanda sent and invoice she sent
If you do the math between the email Amanda sent (quoting PHP 657,603) and the Invoice (quoting PHP 715,878), you'll notice that the figure was increased because:
- two extra tickets were purchased from Korea (totalling an extra $62,647). Counting the number of people who flew in from Korea, the email only lists 16 while the invoice lists 18 people (the names of the people who flew changed a bit... ie Carn wasn't in the email, but was in the invoice, but he replaced someone else).
- she added PHP466 for Rachel's ticket, as the price quoted in the email was likely just an approximation
- Sen's ticket price actually dropped from PHP26,353 to 21,511.
Reconciling these: 657,603 + 62,647 + 466 - 26,353 + 21,511 = 715,874 (close enough to the price she quoted of 715,878).
So in that sense, she didn't change anything in terms of price between the email and invoice.
Claims that Amanda has been doubly paid in excess of US$5,000
I don't get this one either. So now we have PHP715,878, of which PHP215,000 has (even Amanda admits been paid by Gus). This makes for 500,878PHP, which is equivalent to $11,689.00, of which IGN paid her $12,172.27. Cheekyduck claims that Amanda was paid around $5367 on top of this, but it's shown that the $5367 rounds out to PHP230,000 (of which $215,000 was admittedly used for the plane tickets). Also, it's worth noting that the receipts posted don't even add up to PHP200,000.
This means that the only excess Amanda paid was the $500 that IGN paid and the PHP15,000 difference (230-215k) or around $350. So in all, I can only see $850 as the excess which is unaccounted for (if we forget about the exchange rate of 42.85 being "dodgy", which at the moment remains unclear and even then, it doesn't prove that Amanda intentionally cheated anyone). It's certainly a far cry from the $5.8k that Cheekyduck seems to be suggesting she cheated everyone out of. Also, to reiterate, the receipts do not prove that Gus paid PHP230,000. We know that Amanda received at least PHP215,000, based on her own admission, so the $350 USD here is still in contention.
Quoting in support of this post. I tried to do some math of my own. Taking into account only the airfares, there does seem to be a few hundred dollars left unaccounted for. This unaccounted money comes from IGN's payment of $12,172.27 when the accounted fee at that point should have added up to only about* $11,700. I'm probably missing something here, but this seems to be the case with the information given here. *Varies very slightly depending on how many significant places/decimals you used during the calculations It also isn't very clear from the OP how much money IPL eventually sponsored for the tournament proper, but I guess this isn't really that important for common people like me to know. Either way, it's kinda >.< even just casually thinking about the discrepancy in terms the money sponsored vs the money required. About 17k for flights, and then you need money for accomodation, for casting, for production, etc. etc. Much ouches there.
the point is, she said she was going to jail. not true.
dox said she was going to jail
IGN said she was going to jail
its not just what she took, its what she lost her team. any chance of getting the money owed.
20k was wavied to help get amanda out of trouble now/getting kicked out of her home etc.
this isn't money IGN/IPL over paid her, this is money the community gave her, believing her story.
i agree i can't 100% prove the extent of missing money only constant inconsistencies with her asking cost, but when you have staff members on apx $120 for the event, a lot of people didn't get paid because of her greediness.
below as requested in the money form that IGN sent. only $8500 was sent (verbal contract of 20k was presented in OP)
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