That post needs to be deleted.
You are dead.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=403766¤tpage=174#3479
Forum Index > TL Mafia |
Mocsta
Australia9387 Posts
April 13 2013 15:15 GMT
#3481
That post needs to be deleted. You are dead. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=403766¤tpage=174#3479 | ||
Restraining Order
Qatar276 Posts
April 13 2013 15:17 GMT
#3482
Anyways, snb I'll give you 5 more minutes to answer my simple question. | ||
Mocsta
Australia9387 Posts
April 13 2013 15:18 GMT
#3483
On April 13 2013 23:51 strongandbig wrote: Yammo is vanilla townie If deconduo was scum janitor we could be looking for a traitor, otherwise I guess we are forced to conclude he really was a townie who used janitor night 1 Why do ppl want to lynch me? This is like the first time that most of my scum reads have actually been correct Also lynching one of our investigative roles when we don't have to seems pretty dumb. Whether I'm town or scum, anyone I give a green check to is not scum Also also BM not wanting to shoot me is not alignment indicative towards me, because if he shoots me and I'm not scum then BM gets auto lynched So instead of looking into other players as scum; your best contribution with 8-9 players in the game; is "there could be a traitor" Zero analysis on who it could be. Yeah.. and then you wonder why you are up for lynch lol. Sinani Are you willing to rig the vote, and remove SnB from play now? | ||
Mocsta
Australia9387 Posts
April 13 2013 15:18 GMT
#3484
On April 14 2013 00:17 Restraining Order wrote: Pretty sure that was Oats, dud. Anyways, snb I'll give you 5 more minutes to answer my simple question. LOL... i just saw Rayn and assumed hahah.. True true. | ||
Oatsmaster
United States16627 Posts
April 13 2013 15:18 GMT
#3485
On April 13 2013 23:55 raynmaster wrote: Show nested quote + On April 13 2013 23:51 strongandbig wrote: Yammo is vanilla townie If deconduo was scum janitor we could be looking for a traitor, otherwise I guess we are forced to conclude he really was a townie who used janitor night 1 Why do ppl want to lynch me? This is like the first time that most of my scum reads have actually been correct Also lynching one of our investigative roles when we don't have to seems pretty dumb. Whether I'm town or scum, anyone I give a green check to is not scum Also also BM not wanting to shoot me is not alignment indicative towards me, because if he shoots me and I'm not scum then BM gets auto lynched wtf dude? You said it wasnt alignment indicative towards you then you said it makes you townie. Wtf dude. Who do you want to lynch? bad at hydraing. sorry mocsta | ||
Restraining Order
Qatar276 Posts
April 13 2013 15:22 GMT
#3486
On April 10 2013 07:04 strongandbig wrote: if i were a vig i would probably shoot oo or maybe i am a vig and have shot him already! scum you will never know the truth On April 10 2013 08:44 strongandbig wrote: obviousone still shelvocke both for reasons expressed earlier in my filter as well as by others maybe meapak, he's acting as i would expect a pretty demoralized scummer to act (ie, not playing or defending himself) and i would expect scum to be pretty demoralized after that d1 but basically i'm expecting so much stuff to happen at the end of this night phase that i haven't seen much reason to be super active until we know what's happening On April 10 2013 08:45 strongandbig wrote: mocsta what do you think of obviousone? for that matter what do you think of sharrant? no need for a filter dive impressions are fine The only mention he made here of M_Z before investigating him maybe meapak, he's acting as i would expect a pretty demoralized scummer to act (ie, not playing or defending himself) and i would expect scum to be pretty demoralized after that d1 That's a pretty weak line of suspicion. He said far more about OO, in a far 'stronger' way. Prime example: if i were a vig i would probably shoot oo etc.This begs the question: Why didn't he investigate OO? Looks more like he didn't actually want OO lynched. His "push" on what is painted as his strongest scumread on the following day was decidedly weak too. "I'm voting OO, okay?" and things of that amount of impact, nothing actually substantial. Now, plenty of people pushed OO/Sharrant lynches for relatively weak reasons (me included), but you'd expect more from a guy that has said his strongest scumread is on him. How I see that situation - snb wants to have OO as top scum read in case OO flips. snb does not actually want to push town into lynching OO though - his role is very valuable KP. He just tries to look like it. In case snb flips instead, OO looks better for scum "pushing" him. A town copandbig in that situation would not have investigated M_Z over OO. A town cop in the position snb was in (credibility-wise) would have made sure of OO (who, as a high placing player on the draft list, is very likely to have a really strong role for his alignment) instead of some guy he's mildly suspicious of. Instead, he went for a weak read, giving him a 'safe' towncheck to throw out, while giving him what he really wanted out of it - information about M_Z's role. snb is a bad cop, not a good cop. | ||
Restraining Order
Qatar276 Posts
April 13 2013 15:24 GMT
#3487
Make sure to read his filter yourself to check his subsequent actions! | ||
strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
April 13 2013 16:05 GMT
#3488
On April 14 2013 00:00 Restraining Order wrote: Show nested quote + On April 13 2013 23:51 strongandbig wrote: Yammo is vanilla townie If deconduo was scum janitor we could be looking for a traitor, otherwise I guess we are forced to conclude he really was a townie who used janitor night 1 Why do ppl want to lynch me? This is like the first time that most of my scum reads have actually been correct Also lynching one of our investigative roles when we don't have to seems pretty dumb. Whether I'm town or scum, anyone I give a green check to is not scum Also also BM not wanting to shoot me is not alignment indicative towards me, because if he shoots me and I'm not scum then BM gets auto lynched Why did you investigate M_Z on n1? I didn't know how many town vigs would shoot. I investigated meapak cause he seemed scummy and disinterested, but not scummy enough given his veteran-ness for him to be vigged. Like, out of my scum suspicions, he was the one least likely to get vigged. | ||
strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
April 13 2013 16:17 GMT
#3489
On April 14 2013 00:22 Restraining Order wrote: Okay. Show nested quote + On April 10 2013 07:04 strongandbig wrote: if i were a vig i would probably shoot oo or maybe i am a vig and have shot him already! scum you will never know the truth Show nested quote + On April 10 2013 08:44 strongandbig wrote: obviousone still shelvocke both for reasons expressed earlier in my filter as well as by others maybe meapak, he's acting as i would expect a pretty demoralized scummer to act (ie, not playing or defending himself) and i would expect scum to be pretty demoralized after that d1 but basically i'm expecting so much stuff to happen at the end of this night phase that i haven't seen much reason to be super active until we know what's happening Show nested quote + On April 10 2013 08:45 strongandbig wrote: mocsta what do you think of obviousone? for that matter what do you think of sharrant? no need for a filter dive impressions are fine The only mention he made here of M_Z before investigating him Show nested quote + maybe meapak, he's acting as i would expect a pretty demoralized scummer to act (ie, not playing or defending himself) and i would expect scum to be pretty demoralized after that d1 That's a pretty weak line of suspicion. He said far more about OO, in a far 'stronger' way. Prime example: etc. This begs the question: Why didn't he investigate OO? Looks more like he didn't actually want OO lynched. His "push" on what is painted as his strongest scumread on the following day was decidedly weak too. "I'm voting OO, okay?" and things of that amount of impact, nothing actually substantial. Now, plenty of people pushed OO/Sharrant lynches for relatively weak reasons (me included), but you'd expect more from a guy that has said his strongest scumread is on him. How I see that situation - snb wants to have OO as top scum read in case OO flips. snb does not actually want to push town into lynching OO though - his role is very valuable KP. He just tries to look like it. In case snb flips instead, OO looks better for scum "pushing" him. A town copandbig in that situation would not have investigated M_Z over OO. A town cop in the position snb was in (credibility-wise) would have made sure of OO (who, as a high placing player on the draft list, is very likely to have a really strong role for his alignment) instead of some guy he's mildly suspicious of. Instead, he went for a weak read, giving him a 'safe' towncheck to throw out, while giving him what he really wanted out of it - information about M_Z's role. snb is a bad cop, not a good cop. Look at when I first brought up OO when I was trying to get sharrant to post more. Was OO under any suspicion at that point? If he was I don't remember it. The reason I was hesitant was because I made a superficially similar case on OO in red team mafia and he was town. But if I'm his scum buddy there's absolutely no motivation or upside for me to focus more attention on him during day 1 when both VE and artanis are prime thread suspects begging to be lynched. It's just stupid play, and I thought if there was one thing we established in red team it's that I may be bad at scum hunting but I'm not stupid. However, I was telling the truth night one - if I was a vig I would have shot him. However, that makes him a bad check - I thought the odds were decent that someone else would actually do it. Also a general rule as a blue - never talk about who you're actually going to act on. It's just begging for a roleblock if you're right and it's letting scum know they don't have to worry about you if you're wrong. Like, I can't believe you're actually using "he didn't check the guy he was talking about that night" as a reason I'm scum. | ||
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
April 13 2013 16:19 GMT
#3490
On April 13 2013 22:16 Mocsta wrote: I really hope Shelvocke isnt RebirthofLegend; but his constant fucking off and doing nothing to help town is reminding of ThePeaShooter majorly. ================ At least we can be sure scum only has 1 night KP. ================ Keirathi Day2, I was pushing for a SnB lynch pretty hard. Austin in particular gave me resistance, and no one else seemed to care about what I was saying. - IIRC that included you. Night 2 you were pushing for SnB. Can you walk me through what in particular changed your mind. I don't think I ever gave particular resistance. S&B was in one my "we should lynch from this list" posts early in the day. I backed off once he claimed DT, though, because I was just wrong about DT. For some reason, throughout the whole game, I thought DT was just an alignment check (you can kinda see that I did actually think that in my "Roles you should take" post...I had NKVD as slightly more powerful than DT, and had DT as a "town only" pick. NKVD is definitely not more powerful role+alignment check). Scum wouldn't take just an alignment check, so I just moved S&B back in my list. Then Sharrant brought up the fact that DT was role+alignment, and my opinion quickly changed again. That is an excellent role for scum to pick. Basically I don't have any reasons for why S&B is town, his role (especially in this situation, with an assassin teammate) makes perfect sense as scum, and BM refused to shoot him. Together, I think he's our last scum. | ||
strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
April 13 2013 16:20 GMT
#3491
| ||
strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
April 13 2013 16:22 GMT
#3492
On April 14 2013 01:19 Keirathi wrote: Show nested quote + On April 13 2013 22:16 Mocsta wrote: I really hope Shelvocke isnt RebirthofLegend; but his constant fucking off and doing nothing to help town is reminding of ThePeaShooter majorly. ================ At least we can be sure scum only has 1 night KP. ================ Keirathi Day2, I was pushing for a SnB lynch pretty hard. Austin in particular gave me resistance, and no one else seemed to care about what I was saying. - IIRC that included you. Night 2 you were pushing for SnB. Can you walk me through what in particular changed your mind. I don't think I ever gave particular resistance. S&B was in one my "we should lynch from this list" posts early in the day. I backed off once he claimed DT, though, because I was just wrong about DT. For some reason, throughout the whole game, I thought DT was just an alignment check (you can kinda see that I did actually think that in my "Roles you should take" post...I had NKVD as slightly more powerful than DT, and had DT as a "town only" pick. NKVD is definitely not more powerful role+alignment check). Scum wouldn't take just an alignment check, so I just moved S&B back in my list. Then Sharrant brought up the fact that DT was role+alignment, and my opinion quickly changed again. That is an excellent role for scum to pick. Basically I don't have any reasons for why S&B is town, his role (especially in this situation, with an assassin teammate) makes perfect sense as scum, and BM refused to shoot him. Together, I think he's our last scum. I actually told BC I picked "alignment cop" :/ (I didn't realize detective got roles either) It's my fault the game was delayed during the picking phase:/ | ||
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
April 13 2013 16:22 GMT
#3493
On April 14 2013 01:20 strongandbig wrote: Also lynching one of our dts instead of checking them makes no sense in this situation. We have like three claimed detectives, and scum has only got one KP (assuming one of the kills last night was due to bill Murray). We can check everyone left in the game before scum can kill all of us. So if you really think I'm scum, there's absolutely no reason to lynch me instead of having a detective check me. Actually this is kind of a good point. Hmmm, I'll think about it. | ||
strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
April 13 2013 16:24 GMT
#3494
| ||
raynmaster
Ivory Coast67 Posts
April 13 2013 16:30 GMT
#3495
Why does he not think that anyone is scum? Why is his mindset not there? | ||
Oatsmaster
United States16627 Posts
April 13 2013 16:30 GMT
#3496
On April 14 2013 01:30 raynmaster wrote: Why is SnB defending his actions so hard. Why does he not think that anyone is scum? Why is his mindset not there? | ||
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
April 13 2013 16:31 GMT
#3497
On April 14 2013 01:24 strongandbig wrote: Anyway keirathi do you disagree that scum likely only has one KP left and that we should have dts check me instead of lynching me? If you're worried that scum would kill the dt who checks me, we could have both you and vivax check me. No, I don't disagree. Hence why I said "Actually that's a good point" Scum almost certainly only have 1 KP left. My only real problem is that we have no idea how the bonuses work. We know a "Gangster" got a godfather bonus. Does that mean a "Law enforcement" character can't get a godfather bonus? Or a "politician" character? | ||
Mocsta
Australia9387 Posts
April 13 2013 16:52 GMT
#3498
On April 14 2013 01:31 Keirathi wrote: Show nested quote + On April 14 2013 01:24 strongandbig wrote: Anyway keirathi do you disagree that scum likely only has one KP left and that we should have dts check me instead of lynching me? If you're worried that scum would kill the dt who checks me, we could have both you and vivax check me. No, I don't disagree. Hence why I said "Actually that's a good point" Scum almost certainly only have 1 KP left. My only real problem is that we have no idea how the bonuses work. We know a "Gangster" got a godfather bonus. Does that mean a "Law enforcement" character can't get a godfather bonus? Or a "politician" character? The answer you seek is here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=403766¤tpage=174#3467 Short answer is "no" Law enfrocement can not receive GF bonus. | ||
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
April 13 2013 16:57 GMT
#3499
On April 14 2013 01:52 Mocsta wrote: Show nested quote + On April 14 2013 01:31 Keirathi wrote: On April 14 2013 01:24 strongandbig wrote: Anyway keirathi do you disagree that scum likely only has one KP left and that we should have dts check me instead of lynching me? If you're worried that scum would kill the dt who checks me, we could have both you and vivax check me. No, I don't disagree. Hence why I said "Actually that's a good point" Scum almost certainly only have 1 KP left. My only real problem is that we have no idea how the bonuses work. We know a "Gangster" got a godfather bonus. Does that mean a "Law enforcement" character can't get a godfather bonus? Or a "politician" character? The answer you seek is here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=403766¤tpage=174#3467 Short answer is "no" Law enfrocement can not receive GF bonus. You're reading that part wrong. It says "politicians gain bonuses FOR HAVING vote manipulation roles" not "politices gain bonuses TO vote manipulation roles". By your logic, how is godfather a logical bonus to assassin, a KP role? | ||
Mocsta
Australia9387 Posts
April 13 2013 16:59 GMT
#3500
On April 14 2013 01:22 Keirathi wrote: Show nested quote + On April 14 2013 01:20 strongandbig wrote: Also lynching one of our dts instead of checking them makes no sense in this situation. We have like three claimed detectives, and scum has only got one KP (assuming one of the kills last night was due to bill Murray). We can check everyone left in the game before scum can kill all of us. So if you really think I'm scum, there's absolutely no reason to lynch me instead of having a detective check me. Actually this is kind of a good point. Hmmm, I'll think about it. Disagree. SnB surely isnt lying about being a detective; so role check is useless. The only alignment check we have is Vivax & SnB. I am role check; and I believe Kei is as well. Both alignment checkers are "questionable". SnB >>> Vivax though. Obviously, if SnB is scum; he will shoot Vivax (or vice-versa).. and then what? We should not be tempted to win this game by DT checks; there should be enough in filters to implicate final scum. Its pretty much pointing out SnB for a long time. A reminder from Sharrant. On April 12 2013 11:57 Sharrant wrote: It was true Day2; and is still true now, Day3.I'm going to say this again: Lynch StrongAndBig tomorrow. He showed up tonight not to help town on the lynch, but to see if he was on the chopping block, and when he realized he wasn't he left. He's not trying to figure out alignments because he's the last scum. Lynch StrongAndBig. | ||
| ||
WardiTV Invitational
Playoffs
MaxPax vs herOLIVE!
Cure vs SHIN
ByuN vs TBD
SC Evo Complete
SEL Fall '24 Ro4 + Finals
Dark vs Classic
kiwian vs Spirit
[ Submit Event ] |
StarCraft 2 StarCraft: Brood War Britney 35968 Dota 2Calm 2536 Rain 1830 Mini 1469 firebathero 342 TY 221 PianO 175 Last 127 ToSsGirL 89 Barracks 58 [ Show more ] Heroes of the Storm Other Games Organizations StarCraft 2 StarCraft: Brood War Other Games StarCraft 2 StarCraft: Brood War
StarCraft 2 • Berry_CruncH295 StarCraft: Brood War• Adnapsc2 20 • iHatsuTV 12 • LUISG 6 • AfreecaTV YouTube • sooper7s • Migwel • intothetv • Kozan • IndyKCrew • LaughNgamezSOOP • Laughngamez YouTube Dota 2 League of Legends |
BSL: ProLeague
Bonyth vs Dienmax
DragOn vs Sterling
Replay Cast
Wardi Open
StarCraft2.fi
OlimoLeague
StarCraft2.fi
StarCraft2.fi
The PondCast
CranKy Ducklings
Sparkling Tuna Cup
|
|