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On April 09 2013 22:15 Smancer wrote:
TRN
I was trying to be sarcastic. I was saying that the logic "I'll vote for someone if everyone else does" is bad.
I was not saying I would ever vote for myself.
I know xD. That response was sarcastic too, I wanted to put /sarcasm in a spoiler underneath it, but I figured that it was fairly obvious anyways.
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On April 09 2013 13:46 jrkirby wrote:
The only time I was suspicious of jampi was when I had absolutely no evidence. I made that clear every time I mentioned my suspicion, and I never voted for him. 2 points here:
- This is kirby pretty much straight up admitting that his percentage post that he kept referencing as was nothing more than fluff, designed to look like he was giving his reads on people
- Even if he hadn't suspected jampi throughout the day, it would still be pretty suspicious that he defended him so hard. The fact that he named him as a suspect just makes it completely not believable
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VOTE COUNT:
TheRavensname (1) Obzy, Rainbows
Rainbows (0) Smancer, TheRavensName
jrkirby (1) JarJarDrinks
JarJarDrinks (1) Obzy
Moloch (2) Smancer, TheRavensName
Not Voting: Warent, jrkirby, Fishgle, Moloch, nobodywonder
Deadline is in 9 hours. Voting is mandatory.
Currently Moloch is set to be lynched!
If you see your vote (or anyone else') out of place please inform me or someone else on the hosting team so that we can correct it.
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On April 09 2013 22:02 JarJarDrinks wrote:So jkirbys defense was pretty weak just like I expected. And looking @ Ravens last few posts, I think he may also be scum and trying to distance himself from kirbs. Here's his response to my case against kirby: Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 06:14 TheRavensName wrote:
Well, sense I wasn't asked for an opinion on this I will state it: Its enough to make me doubt my good read I had on JRK, but I feel if the main basis for this is Why did he vote for Jampi over You, the same lgoci can be applied to rainbows when he didn't vote for NW when he thought for sure he was scum because "He didn't feel like it.", enough that I will leave my vote on rainbows... which I should probably finalize.
##Vote: Rainbows He's trying to make it seem like he isn't defending kirby by saying I'm making him doubt his read while @ the same time saying that I don't really have a good argument against him because of my main point. And he's trying to apply that same argument to rainbows even though it's not really similiar @ all. And kirbys defense of jampi while earlier naming him a suspect is the strongest point in my case against him, it's certainly not the only one. Warent looks pretty bad to me too. On day 1 he tries to twist rainbows words and (mafia 101) makes a big deal out nothing: Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 02:15 Warent wrote:On April 06 2013 01:49 Rainbows wrote:On April 06 2013 01:24 Warent wrote:A bunch of generic pro-town things being advocated. He provides a (bad) summary of events in the thread and... that's it. I was not providing a summary of events in the thread - I was summing up your actions. Perhaps it wasn't clear enough, no worries, hopefully this will make things more clear. ##Vote RainbowAs far as policies goes, this is my opinion: we should not lynch people based on whims, misinterpretations or lies. Rainbows third, so called, case against Saraf is completely based on either an obvious misinterpretation or a lie. Saraf: even if the spammiest asshole is just some poor well-meaning fattie (who should have applied the litmus test "does this post help town?")
Rainbow: I think we should all rally around lynching Saraf, because he called me town and expressed interest in lynching someone he called probably town. Rainbow: Saraf seems to know I'm town, because he refers to me as such and tells me how I should be playing. Saraf has never called Rainbow town. Even if does NOT equal probably town! Rainbow must know this. I don't think this is a misinterpretation, I think this is Rainbow trying to create something out of nothing. Most likely reason the obvious one - he is scum. And he's not helping himself when he refuses to explain his own action but rather continue to accuse others. You were summing up the thread because I was the only one doing things. Saraf literally said: EVEN IF YOU'RE TOWN YOU SHOULD BE LYNCHED. Your defence is lawlzy, please try harder. He did. And you are trying to make Even if you are into probably are. These are two very different statements. What reasons do you have for twisting the meaning like that, unless you are trying to promote a miss-lynch? On April 06 2013 08:23 Warent wrote:On April 06 2013 08:01 Fishgle wrote:
jarjar needs to stop lurking and explain his vote. i also want to see TheRavensName, jampidampi, and Moloch post more so I can get better reads on them.
However, the more i look at Warent's entrance though, the scummier it looks. He gets mad at Rainbows for questioning him and then casts an emotional vote, despite not having any evidence. I think Rainbows was just throwing out votes to create discussion. Warent however, seems dead set on lynching rainbows, and argues semantics.
Now, there's an interesting back'n'forth between rainbow and warent. The most interesting thing about it is that while rainbows is defending his vote, warent instead is defending saraf. What I think happened is that rainbows blindfired, got a lucky hit on a skinny (saraf), and then warent came in to try to defend his skinny exercise buddy. It doesn't help that Saraf is so anti-"spam". Obzy has posted just as much as rainbows, and i don't see anyone complaining that he's "spamming". Discussion is useful. What are we supposed to do, chit chat about nothing while the skinnys kill us off? True, some of rainbow's posts have been less substantial than i would have liked, but he got some discussion going. I don't think that's anything to get lynched over. I enter with a suspicion and I provided a case. As far as evidence go: I caught rainbow trying to to push towards a lynch based on a misinterpretation that has been pointed out to him several times - yet he argues that his interpretation is the correct one. Why are you ignoring what I wrote in that post? Cute theory. Need to sleep now. On April 06 2013 17:00 Warent wrote:Obzy, Before we forget about this: My initial concern was not about his first post. It was the lie (?) in this post that caught my attention: + Show Spoiler +http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=405359¤tpage=8#148 . A lie/misinterpretation you seem to be completely okey with? Even though you later point at the same post at Sarafs and say it yourself - it even wasn't about Rain + Show Spoiler +Obzy: I don't know what to think of Raven. He hasn't really posted enough - only his last two posts have content I care about;
Why does he think Saraf called Rain an asshole and an idiot? "even if the spammiest asshole is just some poor well-meaning fattie" - how is that implying Rain, unless it's taken for granted that Rain is a spammy asshole? >_>;;; Also, how did Rain interpret it to be calling him out? - -; w/e. I would like to see Raven post more. Raven, are you implying that nobodywonder is town (haven't read him yet, will form an opinion momentarily) with this post? Up until know you've been careful, but now you've decided TRN is a good lynch target - why? Any other reason than Meta stuff? You think Rains case against him is good, care to elaborate some? On April 06 2013 17:02 Warent wrote:
Clarification: the same post Rain was misinterpreting of Sarafs and you seem to interpret it like most others. Man is he harping on that one post that rainbows made. And what better way to try to solidify that case? Kill Saraf and have him flip green.
Back from work, was in a meeting the whole day, couldn't do much. Sadly need to leave soon again but I'll back in a few hours.
I'll just say that I'm extremely curious how you get this into me twisting Rains words when that what was I was calling Rain out for.
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On April 10 2013 00:21 Warent wrote:
Back from work, was in a meeting the whole day, couldn't do much. Sadly need to leave soon again but I'll back in a few hours.
I'll just say that I'm extremely curious how you get this into me twisting Rains words when that what was I was calling Rain out for. Rainbow was right in that Saraf was basically saying that "we should lynch you whether you are scum or not". And it did seem like Saraf thought Rainbows was town even if he said the words "Even if you are" as opposed to "Probably are". That's just nitpicking words and harping on semantics.
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On April 10 2013 00:52 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 00:21 Warent wrote:
Back from work, was in a meeting the whole day, couldn't do much. Sadly need to leave soon again but I'll back in a few hours.
I'll just say that I'm extremely curious how you get this into me twisting Rains words when that what was I was calling Rain out for. Rainbow was right in that Saraf was basically saying that "we should lynch you whether you are scum or not". And it did seem like Saraf thought Rainbows was town even if he said the words "Even if you are" as opposed to "Probably are". That's just nitpicking words and harping on semantics.
If thats your logic, shouldn't rainbows be guilty for twisting the words first that caued Warent to twist his words?
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Except I didn't twist words. I just said what he said, but slightly differently. And perhaps I was wrong on what he meant, even though I still think I was correct. And it was scummy. Warent just made a huge deal about it, and called it a lie.
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I don't think Moloch is scum btw.
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On April 10 2013 00:58 Rainbows wrote:
I don't think Moloch is scum btw.
Then post something other than on me. PS: Obzy pulshed his vote onto Jarjar, incase you wern't paying attention. Unless you didn't actually plan on following obzy around.
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Well I'm pretty convinced you're scum, TRN. I'm still waiting for something original from you, baby.
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On April 10 2013 01:04 Rainbows wrote:
Well I'm pretty convinced you're scum, TRN. I'm still waiting for something original from you, baby.
Thats okay. I'm still convinced your scum too, if nothing else your current decision on how to play is hurting you more than your blueclaim is helping. I just realize no one wants to listen to me about you anyways.Everyone except Smancer and Moloch wants to listen to obzy too much to actually care.
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On April 10 2013 01:26 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 01:04 Rainbows wrote:
Well I'm pretty convinced you're scum, TRN. I'm still waiting for something original from you, baby. Thats okay. I'm still convinced your scum too, if nothing else your current decision on how to play is hurting you more than your blueclaim is helping. I just realize no one wants to listen to me about you anyways.Everyone except Smancer and Moloch wants to listen to obzy too much to actually care.
Wait it was War who voted you,not Moloch. My mistake.
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Okay fuck this, balls to the wall now.
My original case for reference:
+ Show Spoiler +On April 06 2013 12:12 Rainbows wrote:TheRavensName is a fantastic lynch for today! He didn't do anything of use early game. He was around, but chose to do nothing useful. He barely even talked to me, and pretty much ignored events in the thread. His real 'entrance' post to the thread is here: Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 19:29 TheRavensName wrote:
God I must be feeling poorly when my first thought of waking up at 5:30 AM is to read the entire thread and try to figure it all out half awake. But, lets see where it goes.
Rainbows I have a question for you because I know you hate talking about policy.... why did you bring up a situation in vague enough terms that it had to be answered with policy and not answer it yourself? Its rather unlike your past games (I also know you hate Meta analysis.).. PS:Saraf called you an idiot and an asshole, who just MIGHT be a townie too but think its unlikely. Not really the best lynch reason.
Jampi: Why are you calling Rainbows out for policy lynching? He seems to have made it pretty clear he hates policy discussion in general, and he has yet to really use it in any of his previous games.
Jrk: Postig at random people is actually how rainbows plays. Look at the previous two newbie mini games for proof of that. Do you have another scum read? Or is the phrase other guy just referring to the lurkers?
Obzy: DO not go down the road of assuming everyone is town because no one is objecting to them being town. We made that mistake with rainbows last game and it cost us so badly. ALWAYS assume everyone is scum until they give you a really really good reason, which you should only share if your confident enough in your read to help defend them, and even then.. you need to hold them to the same degree of suspicion as your scum reads. You need to compare them to the results and look at who they are going after and make sure your not getting fooled.
Alot of people are calling Rainbows out for spammyness, but it seems quite a few other people are spamming pretty hard themselves, see the discussion on lurkers killing all of the drones and bio before people have even had 24 hours to get into the thread (I think jarjar still the only person who hasn't posted sense he /ined, so I would say theres only one real lurker.) and mentions of Rainbow's role claim last game by Obzy for examples. Just going to toss this out there: Come up with more then just spammyness by the end of day 1, sense he did get the discussion ball rolling at least.
Now back to sleep before I have to go to class. Notice the complete lack of any sort of read or pressure in the post. Does Raven care about current events, does he look like he's hunting scum? He tells people to not vote me for spammyness, but does nothing to pressure those attacking me for that reason alone. He simply affords people the opportunity to lynch me by coming up with alternate reasons by the end of D1. Where's the scumreads? Vote? Nothing. Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 03:06 TheRavensName wrote:On April 05 2013 23:37 Rainbows wrote:NobodywonderOn April 05 2013 16:03 nobodywonder wrote:Well I can't say scum for sure, but I definitely don't like it. Rainbow votes Smancer. Then Rainbow unvotes, then talks about his policy that there should be no policy and that everyone has their own policy. Rainbow then brings up a policy scenario. Well, he states it isn't policy based. Well to me, it sounds like it is, since a policy defines a set of actions in response to certain behavior. I don't know that Rainbow would bring a policy question and call it not policy, seems like he's cautiously gauging townie response and the town meta. Honestly, I want a response from not only Rainbow but also Smancer, since to me, it's interesting that Rainbow voted Smancer, unvoted Smancer and then voted Smancer again. In response Smancer had voted Rainbows and then unvoted Rainbow. I just a lil' weirded out by the voting trend. + Show Spoiler +As a little meta thing, Rainbows seems to deviate a lot more from previous games, he did troll vote, but not to extent of this game. He also spams a lot more. NW gives a huge summary. and throws some shit. He meditates on the policy thing, which I told everyone wasn't policy. THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HOW PEOPLE THINK AND POLICY JESUS CHRIST PEOPLE. Had to get out of the way. This post, and subsequently the spoiler, show no effort on NW's part to come to a conrete read on me. He simply says that I'm doing things. He seems really apprehensive about giving an actual read and just flops around. I want peoples opinions of NW. Saraf might just be a banality-spewing town; and I'm unsure if his lolpolicy was serious or not. But NW - that guy. He's scummy. Seeing as how this is the third game now where NW has been a scummy read day one... have we ever wondered if NW just isn't that bright/isn't that good? I think NW just isn't that great and just makes mistakes and poor judgements that never seem to go well for him. Just curious rainbows: Do you think Saraf or Nobodywonder has a higher chance of being scum, seeing as how right now the way I read it based off that wording is that you yourself are now voting for a guy you think might be town compared to a guy you think is scummy. I hate this defense of NW. "Oh he's just bad townie, we shouldn't lynch him even if he's really scummy" Spare me, Raven. That's bullshit reasoning and you know it. Town has no reason to defend NW right now; Scum does. Scum looks good if he's town and gets lynched, or if they're both scum it's protecting his buddy. Note how he also never gives a read on NW, just calls him bad. Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 11:46 TheRavensName wrote:On April 06 2013 07:18 Obzy wrote:I don't know what to think of Raven. He hasn't really posted enough - only his last two posts have content I care about;
Why does he think Saraf called Rain an asshole and an idiot? "even if the spammiest asshole is just some poor well-meaning fattie" - how is that implying Rain, unless it's taken for granted that Rain is a spammy asshole? >_>;;; Also, how did Rain interpret it to be calling him out? - -; w/e. I would like to see Raven post more. Raven, are you implying that nobodywonder is town (haven't read him yet, will form an opinion momentarily) with this post? On April 06 2013 03:06 TheRavensName wrote:
Seeing as how this is the third game now where NW has been a scummy read day one... have we ever wondered if NW just isn't that bright/isn't that good? I think NW just isn't that great and just makes mistakes and poor judgements that never seem to go well for him.
Just curious rainbows: Do you think Saraf or Nobodywonder has a higher chance of being scum, seeing as how right now the way I read it based off that wording is that you yourself are now voting for a guy you think might be town compared to a guy you think is scummy. You seem like you're trying to point out that Rain's vote on Saraf is suspect, but that Nobodywonder is just a newb and not scum, but _also_ that he should be looking towards Nobodywonder instead of Saraf, who you think is town? I don't like it :x Please post more hehe. - -; I'm not following your reasoning, and that's all you've got atm. (Continuing to read.) To answer the first part: Rainbows brought it up I went off what he said. Onto the next question: I think, at this moment, Nobodywonder is a sort of dumb town. What he says tseems to lack thought at times, and hes been scummy person on the first two days two games in a row acting exactly the same way as he has done so now, and he was VT both those times. So unless he makes a move that pushes me otherwise, I'm going to read dumb town on him. Third part: I do think Rain's vote on Saraf is suspect. I'm stating that in that last part of rainbow's post that was a response to, which I think was poorly worded and was asking for clarification, that it looked like he had made the decision Saraf was at least maybe town and that Nobodywonder was just flat out scummy. If thats how he feels, why is he voting for Saraf still? Thats his whole reason for going after Safaf anyways (In that rainbows disliked that Sarif is voting for someone he said may have been scummy.) Last post, pretty void of any reads whatsoever. The only thing he's pointed out is my vote on Saraf, which the entire thread has already said many times. I hate to meta people, but TRN in previous games was active, scumhunting, and voted early Day 1. He's reserving his vote right now which irks me. He has done no scumhunting this game and is teetering on the edge of null on everybody.
##Unvote
##Vote: TheRavensNameP.S. Raven, it's SINCE, not SENSE ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
It summarizes into a few points. This was before my case and Raven lol'd on me.
- Raven posts, but his posts come to no logical conclusion.
- He defends NW for ? reason because he thinks he's bad town. He just said we shouldn't care about him because he's always like this as town -- bad and scummy. That's scum talk.
- He doesn't give reads / scumhunt really. Only read I could find was bad town NW, but that's such a noncomittal read I can't consider it one.
TODAY
Take a look at what Raven has done today; continued to attempt and get me lynched. First of all, I'm the fucking vigilante. Second of all, it's mainly based on wifom, a night kill which is as good as wifom, and no solid evidence. I'm not going to quote his entire filter, just take a look at it. He still continues to show ZERO scumhunting. He's CONVINCED. See?
On April 10 2013 01:26 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 01:04 Rainbows wrote:
Well I'm pretty convinced you're scum, TRN. I'm still waiting for something original from you, baby. Thats okay. I'm still convinced your scum too.
Instead of providing a case with evidence, point-by-point, he just sheeps the moloch vote here:
On April 09 2013 22:10 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 09:56 Moloch wrote:
You're just seeing what type of personality you can use to not be suspected, skinny guy!
People who don't say a lot and just stay low take a higher priority over people that say a lot. Especially early game. If the guys who talk a lot are good, they'll be better for the town than people who don't say much, and if they do happen to be non-fatties, there's a higher chance they'll slip up sooner or later. It's difficult to slip up when you don't say anything or don't have an opinion of your own.
So, in your situation probably C or D. This is one of the first things that stood out to me in Moloch's filter, even if the entire scenario rainbows ended up creatined was little silly I feel it should be asked: By this logic, why did you not at least even vote for Jarjar once? JJD STILL has a one page filter, and Jampi had a 3 page filter day 1. Even Rainbows had a 4 page filter when he made his last post of voting for me, and hes the only other person you voted for. + Show Spoiler +On April 08 2013 08:14 Moloch wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 19:05 Warent wrote:What bothers me is the heavy focus on how things are being presented instead of looking at the content. These questions from Jampi (Sarafs who brought them up first). Did anyone even try to answer them? Since it's almost midnight, I'll post this and go to bed.
If you are lynching me for doing nothing, why aren't you lynching JarJar?
If you are lynching me for bad cases, why aren't you lynching Rainbows?
If you can answear these question, then fine, lynch me. But if you lynch me, you better make the most out of it postflip. Pressure the shit out of anyone who can't answear these questions. Pressure the shit out of anyone who voted for me with halfassed reasoning or blatantly sheeped.
Hopefully I'm alive when I wake up. Goodnight folks. So, Smancer, Fishgle, Moloch, care to honour JarJars wish and provide an answer to these questions? Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 23:19 TheRavensName wrote:On April 07 2013 05:12 Moloch wrote:On April 07 2013 05:10 jampidampi wrote:
Moloch, your forgetting the possibility that isn't a vigilante in the game. That's possible? Well, then. I'm going to have to rethink this. You've had some time to relook at Rainbow's blue claim as well as the lynch, do you have any thoughts or feelings you would like to share sense you were one of the ones who did vote for him? I'll do my best to answer both of these. I didn't particularly want to lynch JJD because, while he exhibited some of the same signs as jampi early-game (only ever talking about one person and never giving their own opinions on anything else), there wasn't nearly as many posts to go on. I realized that he might be scum lurking, but I felt there was a better chance he was just busy than he was lurking with malicious intent. As far as comparing him to Rainbows, the only thing the two of them have in common is that they each made a bad case. Overall, I felt the chance of the entire Rainbows ragequitting being legitimate was higher than being completely faked. While I've been thinking about it post-fact, I've been trying to think about Rainbows' move from a scum perspective. What would it gain them? - It gained them a non-Rainbows lynch. At the time of the explosion, I believe Rainbows was the one on track to being lynched. - It spread a lot of discord. Both of these things are obviously what they want short-term - especially if Rainbows actually is scum. BUT At the time of his declaration, they would have no way of knowing whether there's a real vigi. If there is, it's quite obvious the best thing for him to do is take out Rainbows - something the scum have no way of preventing unless they convince the doctor to protect him - which would result in good discussion and make people's alliance's easier to read. I'm going to wait until tomorrow before I read too much into anything. The scum hitting someone will give us another confirmed townie, so that will change almost every read we can make at the moment. You also completly avoided analysing the Lynch here you were part of causing, good job on that. Nor is there any analysis on the Night kill. So good job on that. Another useless post from moloch + Show Spoiler +And on an unrelated note and something that really just kind of clicked for me: the lynch, the nightkill, and Rainbow's claimed vigi hit (me), are all people that made cases against him after the initial wave of joke vote anti spammer cases, however poor those case may be. Sorry, I know I promised I would avoid this, but I couldn't help myself So did you ever plan on actually doing any analysis this game? Or are you just going to just sit around and be your own suspicion type? ##Unvote##Vote: Moloch
Okay so Raven is convinced I'm scum, but will vote for Moloch. He realizes he can't get a mislynch on me and votes another target. If Raven is so sure I'm scum, why doesn't he PROVE IT.
Take a look at this quote:
On April 09 2013 05:31 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 05:27 Rainbows wrote:On April 09 2013 05:25 TheRavensName wrote:On April 09 2013 05:22 Rainbows wrote:On April 09 2013 05:18 TheRavensName wrote:On April 09 2013 04:58 Rainbows wrote:
Raven, who are my scumbuddies? I'm waiting for you to stop facerolling and give me an answer.
The fact that you just tried to pin the jampi lynch on me is hilarious. It's actually funny now that i look at it. I had a town read on jamp until that terrible case - i was convinced that town would never be that stupid. But hey, apparently i was wrong.
I could ask you the same question, if I'm scum who are mine? My answer to yours is I simply don't know. Right now I'm trying to figure out if Obzy was defending you out of being scum or not, one of the few people that stands out to me is Warant, because he is one of the only people that called you scum and you basically ignored in comarpsion to everyone else: He didn't get a nice pretty rainbows vote next to his name. Im pretty sure everyone in the thread has called me scum or at least expressed distaste for me. As for you, NW and some other guy Yes, but everyone who even made somewhat of a case against you got a vote against him. I had a post on warent. Either way, you never pressured me at all until i cased you. And you voted for everyone but me that made a semi decent case against you. EXCEPT Warant. Hell and lets look at all of those cases, every single one of them was based off a misinterpreation or a flat out lie/omission of anything that countermands the case even a little bit.
Wow. Just wow. Every one of my cases was based on a misinterpretation or lie. QUOTE ME. I've asked him several times but he can't justify this. Where in my filter have I lied in my cases? Please tell me. A sweeping generalization, a nice strawman arguement. Scum use these to summarize things that never even happened.
Raven is scum.
- He hasn't hunted for scum this entire game, and sat with his vote on me forever. Nothing from him is original, just a rehashing of arguements against myself, and (now) Moloch.
- Refuses to give evidence that I am scum, when he is convinced of this fact. He says that I lie / omitt things, but when i ask him to quote me, he cannot.
- Is tunneling me, the most emotional guy D1 and the easiest target for a mislynch after last night.
Lynch him yo.
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I'm also considering Warent for today, albeit less-so.
Barring a scum claim, I will not be voting for Moloch today.
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You know this is really interesting, because you'd figure scum would sheep my arguement if Raven is town, then blame it on me later. A lot of the stuff today is deflecting attention away from Raven.
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Hmm. My thoughts this morning:
Well, to start,
##Unvote.
I'd like to lynch kirby or Moloch today. Yesterday I saw Moloch's post right before going to bed, and thought to myself "Wow. + Show Spoiler +On April 09 2013 16:04 Moloch wrote:
I'm going to start over and write different stuff because I copy-pasted a whole bunch of vote counts to word, but the crossed-out votes came across as normal, so I did other counts to see exactly how many people had voted for Rainbows at the time he claimed, and I had come up with six (it wasn't six - you can check if you're not me and can actually read). I had a cool paragraph saying how Rainbows is all innocent because of blah blah, but that's all useless now.
After actual counting, there were four people (me, jampi, ravens, and fishgle) who were voting for him at the time of him claiming. After he claimed, this is the timeline.
Rainbows jampi->ravens
Me unvote
Smancer Kirby-> jampi
Obzy ravens ->jampi
Fishgle rainbows->jampi
Me ->jampi
Saraf -> jjd
Kirby -> jjd
Jampi rainbows->jjd
I know it's pretty useless information now, but it's the information I compiled when I thought I was actually on to something.
Oh, and I'm not sure what to think about the Saraf lynch. I don't think they'd be as obvious as to hit someone who voted for scum, but it also seems like it would be a good idea to vote for someone that's onto them.
Sorry again for not being here for the past couple days, I know it makes the game less fun for everybody else. I'll do better for the next while.
Obviously, getting up today, it's his only contribution. Rainbows, why don't you think Moloch is scum?
I'm glad that Smancer jumped right on it, I feel like if Smancer was mafia (and Moloch was town), he would know it was a mislynch and be a little more hesitant since his town-cred dropped after being the notable first jump on the jampi case. /speculation speculation. Ravens also voted - no real comment, I think what he's saying here makes sense. Moloch is my primary vote choice at the moment. The other is kirby -
So on kirby, I mentioned that I like his reads because they look like mine, despite the fact they come after mine - not sure what to think of that necessarily. I'm glad to see Jarjar at least be suspicious of other people besides kirby, although Ravens had stuff I quite liked over the night so he's reading significantly more town to me than before.
I am okay with a kirby lynch, but I think Moloch is a better lynch at the moment.
##Vote Moloch
The cases that have been made on him already are good, I'll toss my own reasoning in a spoiler;
+ Show Spoiler +The big thing is that after coming back, On April 09 2013 14:42 Moloch wrote:
Sorry for being gone for such a long time. I was out of the house all day Sunday and at the university all day today (stupid end of semester group projects). I'm going to spend the next 20-30 minutes reading and writing my opinions on stuff. If you're here and have any specific things you want me to touch on, let me know and I'll touch on those too before I sleep.
I'll make sure I'm back here at least a few hours before deadline tomorrow to keep things going. He apologizes for inactivity and then says he'll give us his opinions and will answer questions. He then proceeds to post this, On April 09 2013 16:04 Moloch wrote:
I'm going to start over and write different stuff because I copy-pasted a whole bunch of vote counts to word, but the crossed-out votes came across as normal, so I did other counts to see exactly how many people had voted for Rainbows at the time he claimed, and I had come up with six (it wasn't six - you can check if you're not me and can actually read). I had a cool paragraph saying how Rainbows is all innocent because of blah blah, but that's all useless now.
After actual counting, there were four people (me, jampi, ravens, and fishgle) who were voting for him at the time of him claiming. After he claimed, this is the timeline.
Rainbows jampi->ravens
Me unvote
Smancer Kirby-> jampi
Obzy ravens ->jampi
Fishgle rainbows->jampi
Me ->jampi
Saraf -> jjd
Kirby -> jjd
Jampi rainbows->jjd
I know it's pretty useless information now, but it's the information I compiled when I thought I was actually on to something.
Oh, and I'm not sure what to think about the Saraf lynch. I don't think they'd be as obvious as to hit someone who voted for scum, but it also seems like it would be a good idea to vote for someone that's onto them.
Sorry again for not being here for the past couple days, I know it makes the game less fun for everybody else. I'll do better for the next while. So the analysis of how votes played out isn't an analysis, it's a useless list, as he himself points out. And his response to the Saraf opinion question is "Nope." Then a further apology and a disappearing act. This despite On April 05 2013 09:56 Moloch wrote:
People who don't say a lot and just stay low take a higher priority over people that say a lot. Especially early game. If the guys who talk a lot are good, they'll be better for the town than people who don't say much, and if they do happen to be non-fatties, there's a higher chance they'll slip up sooner or later. It's difficult to slip up when you don't say anything or don't have an opinion of your own. My my, it is indeed difficult to slip up when you don't say anything or have an opinion of your own, isn't it. In summary, Moloch's long awaited rearrival did not contain actual opinions or his thoughts on the game at the time, his post was a list of information that had happened and a lack of an opinion on Saraf. Earlier, Moloch mentioned on the nk: The scum hitting someone will give us another confirmed townie, so that will change almost every read we can make at the moment. But it doesn't appear to have changed any reads at all, or caused any reads at all. Who does Moloch think is currently scum? His only stated read, as far as I can see, is that Rainbows is town - I'm fine with that read, but that sort of feels like thread sentiment at the moment. I don't know what he thinks of other people at all. I also agree with the cases posted by Smancer and Ravens.
Rainbows just posted his stuff on Ravens, I see; I'll take a look at it in a moment.
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Obzy. Raven is convinced I'm scum. BUT HE VOTES MOLOCH. Explain.
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Rainbows, I've posted my logic and evidence so many times. You don't even pay attention to it. Why the fuck should I waste the time to consolidate it all over again? I'll just get called out for focusing on you. I'm not falling for it.
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Rainbows,
Crazy conspiracy theory incoming...
I think you might be right with Raven. One possible explanation I have could be he is voting for Moloch because he actually knows Moloch is scum and my case was good.
Then when we lynch scum tonight he can say he voted for Moloch, and why would he do that if he were scum.
So to recap he knows Moloch is scum. He knows that his case against you isn't building momentum. He thinks he can survive longer by sacrificing Moloch by using it as an argument upcoming in day 3.
Either way I think Raven and Moloch are scum now. I would lynch either. My vote is currently on Moloch.
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On April 10 2013 02:05 Smancer wrote:
Rainbows,
Crazy conspiracy theory incoming...
I think you might be right with Raven. One possible explanation I have could be he is voting for Moloch because he actually knows Moloch is scum and my case was good.
Then when we lynch scum tonight he can say he voted for Moloch, and why would he do that if he were scum.
So to recap he knows Moloch is scum. He knows that his case against you isn't building momentum. He thinks he can survive longer by sacrificing Moloch by using it as an argument upcoming in day 3.
Either way I think Raven and Moloch are scum now. I would lynch either. My vote is currently on Moloch.
So I would risk killing my scum buddy, by your logic, off a SINGLE vote instead of going after any of the other single votes that arn' my scum buddy. How does that make sense?
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