EPTI will set Flying as top 1 in my "hatred players" list - before, that was RoRo. So I guess Flying is pretty much a fav to winning code s now
[Code S] RO32 Group B 2013 WCS Korea Season 1 - Page 104
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
I will set Flying as top 1 in my "hatred players" list - before, that was RoRo. So I guess Flying is pretty much a fav to winning code s now | ||
Shellshock
United States97274 Posts
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kimchikid
Sweden162 Posts
What a great game it was! ***** of ***** | ||
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Ryps
Romania2740 Posts
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jellyjello
Korea (South)664 Posts
On April 09 2013 23:02 bittman wrote: Of course, "best player" is always subjective. You say Life. I say Life. Others say Roro. Some say Flash (somehow). Some say Innovation. Some say Bomber. But those last people are simply caught in Bomber's Rule. At the end of the day there's only one "the best". And he is the UWC. Bear. Undefeated champion. The best player may be a subjective term, but no one can deny the fact that Life plays zerg like no one else does. He's very "unique" and I'm saying that with a bit of admiration. | ||
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Zinthar
United States394 Posts
On April 09 2013 22:59 Insoleet wrote: Their range is so long, there is no way blinkstalkers can get them if used right. They have to be used with vipers to catch colossi and limit colossi number. Hydras are a good addition if the opponent is adding voidrays/tempests. Ultra are good if the opponent is trying to engage the swarmhosts. The long range is great, but the further the locusts go the sooner they'll die -- you can't move them too far from a fortified/reinforced position before they're vulnerable. This is probably not as big of an issue when they're near a choke point and can't easily be flanked, but in Game 3 there didn't seem to be a place where they could harass without risking the swarm hosts. Vipers are just as vulnerable as the swarm hosts to blink stalkers. So this strategy essentially involves either sitting the swarm hosts behind a wall of spine crawlers, or just building a zerg deathball and using the locusts to whittle down the opponent and force an engagement. Maybe this would work with a healthy roach/hydra or ultra meatshield and vipers, but then the Protoss could just use his much more mobile army to punish your commitment to that position and attack elsewhere. DRG couldn't take his the top right base safely because he needed to leave the spine crawlers and spawn hosts near his fourth (bottom center) base or else lose it and let the Protoss walk right up into his main. This type of immobility is the same issue that Terran mech struggles with, while also being vulnerable to being swarmed if not properly supported or caught out of position. And thus you now pretty much only see siege tanks in TvT (I think yoda made one vs. DRG) -- and even then only because they're so effective at locking down positions and two-shotting the marines that your opponent will make. I'd love to see someone find an effective use for them. Maybe they'd be great with zergling/infestor at hit and run attacks... but I'll bet there are pros who have already tried this. Hopefully they'll get something to work. But the general rule in SC2 seems to be that if a unit is highly immobile it better be extremely cost effective to justify making. | ||
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kimchikid
Sweden162 Posts
On April 09 2013 23:36 jellyjello wrote: The best player may be a subjective term, but no one can deny the fact that Life plays zerg like no one else does. He's very "unique" and I'm saying that with a bit of admiration. My list of 5 best players right now: Innovation Rain Life Yoda RoRo Best foregner: Dont dare to say who I think but he is from my country  ) | ||
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Zinthar
United States394 Posts
On April 09 2013 23:28 boxerfred wrote: I will set Flying as top 1 in my "hatred players" list - before, that was RoRo. So I guess Flying is pretty much a fav to winning code s now I definitely don't hate him, but from what we saw today I think he was pretty fortunate to have gotten through the group. MC should have had game 1 but for the fact that he just didn't bother to get any ground or air upgrades beyond +1 ground attack, and had an insufficient meat shield to protect his units. And I'm sure he would equally love to have that Game 2 back as well. And DRG was just a little off today and either build-order died to something he should have scouted and crushed in Game 1 vs. Flying (failed to make a roach warren, which either Flying scouted and keenly exploited, or just decided to do a +1 zealot attack for the hell of it). And in Game 3 I'm not really sure what he was trying to do with those swarm hosts. But, most importantly, the macro and micro mechanics (from at least what you can deduce watching it) of MC & DRG looked to be quite a bit superior to Flying. IIRC, Flying had a few too many instances where he was floating over 1k minerals and lots of gas without being maxed, and MC in game 1 of their match appeared to be on top of everything while Flying was kinda sloppy by comparison, and he had a mid-game 20 supply lead despite the fact that probe kills were roughly equal (although Flying's awesome micro for oracles was "right click on MC's mineral line, press C, and.... profit!" | ||
lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On April 09 2013 23:40 kimchikid wrote: My list of 5 best players right now: Innovation Rain Life Yoda RoRo Best foregner: Dont dare to say who I think but he is from my country )Who cares about best, man. GOAT is more important | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland23016 Posts
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dynwar7
1983 Posts
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On April 09 2013 23:49 Zinthar wrote: I definitely don't hate him, but from what we saw today I think he was pretty fortunate to have gotten through the group. MC should have had game 1 but for the fact that he just didn't bother to get any ground or air upgrades beyond +1 ground attack, and had an insufficient meat shield to protect his units. And I'm sure he would equally love to have that Game 2 back as well. And DRG was just a little off today and either build-order died to something he should have scouted and crushed in Game 1 vs. Flying (failed to make a roach warren, which either Flying scouted and keenly exploited, or just decided to do a +1 zealot attack for the hell of it). And in Game 3 I'm not really sure what he was trying to do with those swarm hosts. But, most importantly, the macro and micro mechanics (from at least what you can deduce watching it) of MC & DRG looked to be quite a bit superior to Flying. IIRC, Flying had a few too many instances where he was floating over 1k minerals and lots of gas without being maxed, and MC in game 1 of their match appeared to be on top of everything while Flying was kinda sloppy by comparison, and he had a mid-game 20 supply lead despite the fact that probe kills were roughly equal (although Flying's awesome micro for oracles was "right click on MC's mineral line, press C, and.... profit!" I never understood this logic. It's a new game, and this is basically the first Code S games of these players in this new games. If Flying looked weak in today's games, and doesn't look like a contender based on these games, then what does that say about the two players that played worse? Sure we can say they play to higher standards most of the time, but this is HoTS not WoL (and neither player has shown they are better at HoTS than Flying), and tournaments are about who brings their A game when it matters. Flying deserved to win today, and MC and DRG didn't. | ||
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On April 09 2013 23:52 dynwar7 wrote: I still dont understand....some people played 3 matches, some others only two... It's basically a Best of 3 of Best of 3's. YoDa 2-0 Flying 2-1 DRG 1-2 MC 0-2 | ||
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Zinthar
United States394 Posts
On April 09 2013 23:40 kimchikid wrote: My list of 5 best players right now: Innovation Rain Life Yoda RoRo Best foregner: Dont dare to say who I think but he is from my country )Good list. I'd take the same except Flash in place of Yoda. The way that Yoda let over 2k gas float in at least 3 of his games today seems less than optimal -- especially in game 1 vs. DRG where he was very close to losing and probably could have made good use of a Raven. | ||
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forsooth
United States3648 Posts
On April 08 2013 01:00 forsooth wrote: Hoping for Yoda/MC, expecting Yoda/Flying. My LB wins, my heart loses. | ||
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kimchikid
Sweden162 Posts
On April 09 2013 23:55 Zinthar wrote: Good list. I'd take the same except Flash in place of Yoda. The way that Yoda let over 2k gas float in at least 3 of his games today seems less than optimal -- especially in game 1 vs. DRG where he was very close to losing and probably could have made good use of a Raven. Yoda went 4-0 today though and previously he has impressed as well. I would not put Flash in top 5 at the moment but of course respect your opinion. There are others too which could take the 5th spot. Edit: Me stupid, corrected mistake. | ||
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Zinthar
United States394 Posts
On April 09 2013 23:52 dynwar7 wrote: I still dont understand....some people played 3 matches, some others only two... At first glance it seems strange, but the idea is to seed 2 of the 4 players into the next round without the possibility of playing any unnecessary games. If, for instance, they each played each other once (3 matches for all 4 players), you could either end up with matches at the end that are meaningless for either one or both players; or a 2 or 3-way tie. For instance, if played A starts out 2-0, he may have already clinched one of the top 2 spots and may not show his top stuff for the third match. But, that match may determine who gets the second spot -- it makes no sense to have a competitive match where each side is aware that the outcome only matters for one of them. To prevent that, they pair off the four players into two matches, then have the two winners face off in Match 3 and the two losers in Match 4. The winner of Match 3 is 2-0 and has clinched a spot in the next round, so he's done. Conversely, the loser of Match 4 is 0-2 and is eliminated. The loser of Match 3 & winner of Match 4 are each 1-1, so the fifth Match is the 'tie-breaker' to see who else advances; and that's why they play three. Also, I don't know why I wrote such a lengthy answer to a simple question. I must be really bored... | ||
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p14c
Vatican City State431 Posts
On April 10 2013 00:03 kimchikid wrote: Yoda went 4-0 today though and previously he has impressed as well. I would not put Flash in top 5 at the moment but of course respect your opinion. There are others too which could take the 5th spot. Edit: Me stupid, corrected mistake. You are clueless! Flash already beat Innovation and Rain in a BO3 format. Flash eliminated Rain from code S. In normal conditions Rain would have been in code A this season. Also he took 2 games from Life with only 2 days of HOTS practice. PS: I have yet to see Life beat a good Kespa zerg. | ||
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waylander_
United States82 Posts
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kimchikid
Sweden162 Posts
On April 10 2013 00:07 p14c wrote: You are clueless! Flash already beat Innovation and Rain in a BO3 format. Man, there are like 30 pros who can all beat each other in a best of 3. This is a list of top 5. For me top 3 Innovation, Life and Rain are dead sure. Roro and Yoda are debatable. Clueless, LOL. At a matter of fact I don't think Flash played that stable recently. | ||
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