Boardwalk Empire Mafia: Pick Your Power - Page 72

On April 08 2013 06:46 sinani206 wrote:
gonzaw are you going to claim exactly what your role is?

On April 08 2013 06:45 Palmar wrote:
KILL SOMEONE GONZAW, USE YOUR WRATH, MAKE THEM PAY

On April 07 2013 12:25 Keirathi wrote:
Anyways:

raynpelikoneet:

I just got out of RED Team (click link for his filter) with a town rayn, so my expectations of his town play are still in the forefront of my mind. And some very obvious things aren't matching up:

1) Progression of reads:

I'm not going to quote every instance, but something really sticks out to me:

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What you'll see is a direct thought process and how rayn's read progresses. He played like this for the entire game: see something he thinks is scummy, questions it, discusses it, and then either votes or moves on to something else. Or even just see something he finds scummy, dissects it, and makes a case. He's trying to figure out the game, and engaging people trying to get comments on his points/comment on their points/doing whatever he can to help town.

Now let's look at this game:

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Etc, etc. This is how his reads "progress" with every single person that he's called scum. He just pulls their name out of thin air. Maybe makes up some justification for it, maybe not. VE/RO/Caller/me/austin/BM/etc etc. He's called ~half of the people in the game scum for little to no reasoning.

And those reads swing extremely wildly. Over half of the people he randomly calls scum are people that conveniently happen to already be under some suspicion/pressure.

And some extremely strange flip-flops. You'll notice up there in the quote spoiler, he was calling Caller scum for most of the game. Then:



Where did this come from? It makes no sense, because I don't see anything major that Caller changed, except he started pushing me. Or maybe that's the sense it makes; he stopped calling Caller scum once Caller started calling one of his "scum reads" scum (aka me).

Which was my point to begin with: his reads just change when they're convenient to change. Not when he has sufficient reasons for changing them. Which is extremely different from everything about how he played in RED.

2) "The Plan":

This point has already been talked about a bit, but I think it deserves a bit more attention.



Notice what he says. People in the top picks need to have some kind of cooperation towards denying roles/picking strong roles.

However, once he got his spot in the top 5, what happened to that cooperation? It was non-existent. He didn't even try. Town rayn in RED was cooperative and attempting to help town win all the way until end game, even when it meant he couldn't win himself (he had a dumb alternate win-con that involved killing a bunch of townies). He realized that he couldn't shoot us, or town as a whole would lose. So he sacrificed his own win-con and didn't shoot on the last night.

Which makes me question this:





"This is the only plan I will support!"

"Oh wait, no. I'll support the plan that directly benefits me, even though I just said the other one was super good."

He doesn't even explain why that plan is better than geript's. Just that suddenly, since the new plan gives him a free shot at the top 5, he would rather push that one.

But also notice how in the quote about the cooperation, he says "I don't think the players who are going to pick first should be limited to X number of roles. They should pick whatever they feel is best for the town." Which begs the question: why the fuck did he say that he thought geript's plan was absolutely the best plan, then turn around and say that he thinks that plan is dumb just *ONE* hour later?? I can understand liking a plan, pushing it, then liking another plan better. But he completely flip flops by saying a plan is good, then almost immediately saying "no that plan is bad". It all just reeks of posturing to benefit himself, rather than what he legitimately thinks is the "best".

TL;DR: Strange reads with no progression or reasoning, uncooperative, excessive posturing to attempt to get himself in the top picks. Rayn is scum.

##vote raynpelikoneet

On April 08 2013 06:48 gonzaw wrote:


THEY WILL FEEL MY WRATH EVENTUALLY PALMAR. DO NOT WORRY

Notice what he says. People in the top picks need to have some kind of cooperation towards denying roles/picking strong roles.

On April 08 2013 07:00 Restraining Order wrote:
In terms of scaring-me-about-getting-shot, I'll give your threat a 1 out of 10

I'll indulge though. Since you seem to ask for a gun-at-the-head read.
If I had to, I'd shoot Sno right now.
Not BM.
But,
I would not shoot now.


These things work better if it's not blatantly obvious you're just fishing for reactions/pressuring people into doing 'something', FYI.

On April 08 2013 07:01 austinmcc wrote:
Gonzaw. I would like you to actually read Shelvocke closer. Read him critically. Do not assume that he was pressured at all early. Do not assume that he was ever discussed (Or, if you do, go find me the posts where he was pressured/discussed earlier).

When I asked you before, you claimed to be null. There were things that originally made you suspicious, according to you, and "some stuff others say makes sense about him," (which btw, was meapak/me saying he was scum). Based on that, you shouldn't just be null. He is a legitimate topic of discussion, he does not have a filter, and he is likely a smurf (I generally assume all new people from odd countries = smurves).

That was NOT much of a response from you, tbh. And he's not getting any of the traction you seem to value. Drop your assumptions about how the thread has interacted with him or find those interactions, and then critically read his filter, his vote, and then give me more of your thoughts that "he's null except here are two things that were kind of scummy but apparently don't make me scum on him."