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Palmar
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6786 Posts
On April 08 2013 09:06 Palmar wrote: I still think VE is scum. Disengaged VE has almost always been scum. I actually am starting to feel this might be the case. My previous read on VE was based on the activity level and contributions at the time I had read the thread. Now it's been uncharacteristically long since I've seen him in the thread and like Palmar says, VE is more likely to be scum when he isn't here as much. VE I'm gonna need some good quality reads out of you as well as some serious contribution or I'm gonna start thinking you don't care. And if you don't care then you're scum. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
When people ask me "If you had a day vig, who would you use it on?" I always respond "On VE obviously" You just can't go wrong with a VE day vig, you can't  Anyways....yeah come on people sheep me on Artanis. Keirathi/austin, come on, ##Join: SAT and sheep me! Look: + Show Spoiler + On April 08 2013 06:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Here's my reads on all those who are voted. VisceraEyes Defensive play, agrees with a lot of things in the thread. Seems complacent. The only game I remember that I played with VE was LI in which he was in everyone's face as scum. I also observed his play in Hydra Mini Mafia which he gave up in as soon as he got caught. This game feels like neither. He created a bad case on RO. Rereading Geript's case on him however does show a few valid points that point towards VE being scum which he never answered. Rather than defending himself, VE started attacking people that jumped on the wagon which isn't alignment indicative to me, as it's a both a valid way of finding scum and an easy way to dodge responsibility. However, I don't like his 180 going from his initial read of RO to Deconduo over one post that really didn't mean much. Leaning scum. Vivax Vivax is Vivax. In all previous games I've played with him he's rolled scum, but sometimes the host accidentally flipped him green. This game I feel like he's playing better than any game he's had before. There's still Vivax moments of trying to be right where everyone else is wrong, but he's being cooperative. I see no reason why he wouldn't stick to his unreadable meta if he rolled scum. Town. Restraining Order The case on him was weak. Has done fairly little, but nothing that suggests a scum or a town mindset. Null on him. Keirathi Seems willing to want to figure the game out. Small thing that bothered me was that he had a plan regarding people picking roles to counter scumpicks, yet also advocating that everyone just picks the roles they want. Other than that, he's had a very constructive attitude and has been scumhunting and paranoid. Likely town. Palmar Has a hilarious plan, never actually goes anywhere with it. Trolls around all game. Throws a few accusations but never substantiates them. Says BM is scum but never goes anywhere with it, then jumps on the VE wagon as soon as he notices no one else is putting in the effort to get BM lynched. After checking out RED Team's Prize (where he was blue) he always pushed his own ideas. He asked people what they thought, but nothing that came close to sheeping. He's a lot more disinterested than what I've seen in that game. Leaning scum. Shelvocke His filter is fairly empty. His D1 plan was "pick whatever you like" then never actually pushed it. Rather than contributing to plans, he just calls all of them bad. Spends a lot of time on setup talk then jumps on the VE wagon as well. He never replies to the case made on him or any suspicion laid on him at all. Avoiding responsibility for his reads. There's really nothing in his filter to suggest towniness. Scum. Raynpelikoneet Contradicted my RNG plan without a real reason. Nominates himself as towniest very quickly. Calls everyone that pushed ideas town. Randomly passes by scumreads whilst only having talked about setup before then, doesn't explain why. Massive amount of oneliners that clutter up the thread and say very little/nothing. His paranoia and flailing about in the last two pages of his filter make me hesitant, but still leaning scum. Strongandbig Basically did nothing until mid D1, but I like this post. Pointing a lot of fingers at people for good reasons. Leaning town. Deconduo Playing a fairly timid game, but I can follow his thought process very well. It's hard to really put a finger to, but all his posts speak to me from a town viewpoint and VE's reason for voting Deconduo feels weak. I'm willing to vote for VE, Palmar, Shevlocke and Raynpelikoneet, with a preference for Shevlocke. Artanis doesn't even care about the game. He makes a list of reads that follow town sentiment (VE lurky, Kei town, Shevlock scum, Palmar lurky scum, etc etc) He then parks his vote on the other "obvious" lynch candidate.....and just leaves. Like hell I'm going to believe a town Artanis, after being called out and having a giant case on him, will just make a single post with some "normal" reads, park his vote on the dude everybody else wants to lynch, and just leave and do shit all. You may notice how I didn't even respond to that post of his. I didn't so I could see if he was going to follow it up with something else. He could have commented on anything else, he could have pressured someone else to see if they were scum, he could have discussed shit with us regarding this whole Shevlock issue and other stuff. But no, he parked his vote and went AFK. All he has done this game is: 1)Do all the scummy shit I've mentioned in my case 2)Disappear for like half of D1 3)Come back and make a generic wall of text defense against myself 4)Disappear again 5)Make generic bland list of reads, park vote on guy 6)Disappear again austin, Kei, please make a little more effort in telling us why Artanis is town Please read his filter from British Mafia 2 and tell me how he's playing similarly, and if he's not playing similarly, tell me why he's playing differently as town and not as scum. Also I dunno why but after Obvious reading ALL of Artanis games and concluding the same thing as I do....it makes me feel better about my Artanis read >_> The thing about Shevlocke that makes me doubt lynching him....is that he doesn't seem to "appear" as scum seem to do. He doesn't post fluff shit, he speaks his mind in a blunt manner. He instantly calls VE out for what it is, and doesn't go around posting bullshit about it. He then calls VE out again in a similar fashion, no bullshit, just sticking to his guns. Obviously he could somehow be scum and still do that.....but for a D1 lynch? Nah It'd be better lynching VE, or maybe even Palmar, or even sinani or someone else, or even Sno (although I'd prefer a shot on him) than Shevlocke at this moment Right now 8 people are voting Artanis. So if you guys dont' want Artanis lynched, make an effort to PROVE to us he's town, rather than dismiss my case and accusations with just "meh I am not convinced with that". If you are just not sure about Artanis (instead of thinking he's town), then don't worry. Just sheep me and we'll be a big nice family :D | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
(1) I really like Rayns response. The conveyed town has a very town confidence in it. Its not "over played". (2) I still want more from SnB. But his response is enough for me not to consider him further this cycle. (3) Oats is starting to really cross the line for me from town -> null; possibly approaching slightly leaning scum. He has been nothing but disruptive; continuously cock-blocking scum hunting, to then throw a blanket "Vivax is scum" statement. The below is not a case; I just want to hear opinions on whether I am taking this interaction personally, or whether it indeed conflicts. + Show Spoiler [Oats issues] + Exhibit A On April 07 2013 16:40 Oatsmaster wrote: Gonzaw you understand what I mean by GUT READ? (it means I felt that he was town reading the thread.) I agree that artanis looks scummy. I still want to lynch Vivax though, Im way more familar with his play and this does not feel like his town play. Also he is scummy!?!?! (so wishywashy right? )Oats stance is clear: Thinks Artanis looks scummy; and then still wants to push the unfounded Vivax lynch. Exhibit B On April 07 2013 20:54 Oatsmaster wrote: Lol just read Artanis' reply. MTG was a 9 player mini bro. Scum dont bus each other They dont. On April 07 2013 22:09 Oatsmaster wrote: Artanis do you have reads? defending yourself is fine and all but I prefer reads. To me its ambiguous how deep Oats finds Artanis scummy. The tone seems jovial; however, the words express suspicion. I find this interaction just weird overall. If i haphazard a guess; I would stick with the Exhibit A read: i.e. he finds him scummy. Exhibit C On April 07 2013 23:21 Oatsmaster wrote: *About Artanis[Xp]* Rid yourself of the fucking confirmation bias you have. You do the whole part about 'looking' townie as town too. To get influence to push your reads? Hmm? He is saying, I am confirmation biased for pushing Artanis as scum ?!?! Lets go back to Exhibit A please: "I agree that artanis looks scummy." This is quite a bizarre statement. Even in conjunction with Exhibit B, there is not enough doubt from Oats regarding Artanis alignment to suddenly think he is a town read. Even if he is making this post to attack my character; and not actually comment on this thoughts on Artanis.. what is the point regardless? Im pushing someone, he admitted he thinks looks scummy. I can't fathom what he is trying to achieve other than a "cock-block" by making that post. Exhibit D On April 08 2013 01:01 Oatsmaster wrote: why do you care about the numbers Vivax? Work for the scum that cant find work? On April 08 2013 03:46 Oatsmaster wrote: Vivax why do you need to explain a simple thing like 'Why are you voting for your scumreads scumread?' Its not that hard, Is it? Or are you avoiding talking about anything else? This is Oats addressing his #1 scumspect that has reentered the thread. To me: this doesnt read as a person critically challenging his scum target. Now those that know Oats, knows 90% of his questions are useless and have no actual purpose; so I wont hold this interaction against him. The problem is the follow exhibit. Exhibit E On April 08 2013 04:55 Oatsmaster wrote: Im up for a lynch. ANY LYNCH prefer vivax. Artanis works ##Vote: Artanis He says he prefers Vivax (which is fine follow through).. yet bandwagons on Artanis? LIke WTF? It hasnt even been clear Oats is a staunch supporter of the artanis wagon; yet, now jumps on. This is after Exhibit C, where he tries to ridicule me for being the first supporter (after Gonzaw) on the Artanis wagon? Now that I got Oats out of my system. I am going to re-read the filters of Artanis // Shevlocke // AustinMCC Gonzaw and the Day Vig Whether the ability is true or not; I would not recommend shooting today - unless you think you are a valid NK target (and can not fire at night). If you had to shoot someone today; I wouldnt bother for a hard scum read. Why? Because we are capable of lynching "on the radar" targets; and controversial Day 1 firm reads, can often be mislynches. (Artanis isnt controversial.. the goods are solid) Hence, I recommend to take out a low contribution lurker that we dont expect to interact much with the thread. Suitable candidates thus far: Sinani - Rank 4 Sharrant - Rank 12 perhaps Yamato - Rank 23 Ppl like Deconduo/Palmar/BillMurray/Caller etc I expect to become more cooperative as the game progresses. Yamato is a funny category for me: hes done nothing since the draft picks were announced; and I dont know if the guy is just busy in real life // pissed off about the lack of draft submission // or thinks he can lurk his way whilst others take the stage for shitting the thread. Sharrant is a guy that everyone mislynched in "Normal Mini Mafia 4" for providing opposition to thread senitment. So I would read his filter carefully before proceeding. Sinani has offered nothing to date, and with his BM vig request throw in, I think is the best opportunity for a day vig - if you had to go that way. | ||
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Mocsta
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Do you think I was chasing you for funsies the other day? I dont think you scum anymore.. i just think your bad town But conviction was there, and I think Shevlocke comment was fair (regarding me at least) | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
On April 08 2013 09:22 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I actually am starting to feel this might be the case. My previous read on VE was based on the activity level and contributions at the time I had read the thread. Now it's been uncharacteristically long since I've seen him in the thread and like Palmar says, VE is more likely to be scum when he isn't here as much. VE I'm gonna need some good quality reads out of you as well as some serious contribution or I'm gonna start thinking you don't care. And if you don't care then you're scum. I think we have to lynch you if VE flips town. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
On April 08 2013 07:41 Vivax wrote: Artanis is not the type who should be shot cause he does give a fuck about his image (as opposed to RO, for example). Go for trolls and lurky stuff. Sno_Man, RO, Sinani, Caller. Not sure about BM but at least activity doesn't seem to be much of a concern lol. Not gonna cry over those if you shoot them. not sure about RO but the rest of this list looks pretty scummy. | ||
yamato77
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As for who to vig, it should obviously be sinani. If you read his filter, he posts opportunistically, and generally has little to say. One post in particular I called out as being especially horrible, the one where he gives his "thoughts" on the lynch candidates and is null on three out of four. I was scum with him in Red Team's Prize, and he's acting similar to that game, here his posting in the thread is quiet and not forceful. His "push" of BM as a vig shot is also terrible, because I actually have him down as likely town. As for myself, since people seem to think I need to contribute more, meh. I gave the game the start I wanted and I have some decent town reads out of that, so as far as continuing a high level of activity, I don't feel that it's necessary. I'm doing my own scum hunting, and I make myself known throughout the day on where I'm at. If I drop off the face of the planet, feel free to shoot/lynch me, but I'm not going to be hyperactive in these games anymore. | ||
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Mocsta
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On April 08 2013 09:06 Palmar wrote: I still think VE is scum. Disengaged VE has almost always been scum. I have only seen VE disengaged as scum when he has had what he deems a good case brought forth against him. e.g. Hydra Mini 1. I liked Geript case a lot; hit many of the right notes.. but it came so early into Day1, I thought a scum VE would have been able to wriggle out without giving up. At least in Hydra, he gave up Day2? + since when are we advocating activity for validity of a lynch? Palmar, you know this best... Do i need to remind you of nomination mafia. On February 10 2013 11:58 Mocsta wrote: palmar So you are motivated enough to actively lurk and respond when mentioned. But not motivated enough to provide your own highly regarded thoughts and reads? If as a townie u keep saying "tis OK. Lynch me" why bother to respond in the first place? Fact: I can't confirm/deny if your motivations are low. What I do know is that this setup allows for a pro town townie to NEVER be lynched or killed. I still don't get why highly regarded players (such as yourself and others) have not stepped up. This nomination mechanic is better than bodyguards. Hence i find it is peculiar it is not being taken advantage of... On February 10 2013 21:36 Palmar wrote: My previous games have nothing to do with how I play this game and active lurking is not a scumtell unless you apply it correctly, those are just some future pointers for you in mafia. Now; I dont read the above as a attempt to correctly apply active lurking as a scumtell for VE. In particular because what I called you out for in Nomination; I feel some applies to VE potentially. P.S. you were town that game. Perhaps, I am wrong; but this is where you can come in to enlighten me pl0x | ||
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On April 08 2013 09:31 gonzaw wrote: Also I dunno why but after Obvious reading ALL of Artanis games and concluding the same thing as I do....it makes me feel better about my Artanis read >_> Because the meta read was pretty fucking good. Actually almost too slick.. im shocked that games from 2010/2012 can be presented as eligible material for a meta read. Regardless; reinforced post 3000 very well. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On April 08 2013 09:31 gonzaw wrote: Nooooooooooooooooooo. Stahp with those letters. That is already on my WHAT IS GOING ON list of things in this game. Have I missed a recent reference here? Because as far as I've been able to tell, someone posted that this game out of nowhere, Palmar joined for some unknown reason, and now you're mentioning it.Gonzaw post I went through your case and told you a couple reasons I was townie on him. Scum can look active proposing plans, and not pushing anything hard, but I think that the particular plan that artanis mentioned and pushed was very anti-scum, and he could have posted a different plan/joined someone else's plan if he were scum and wanted to look active. I also find the timing on his geript stuff to be townie. Push him, leave, come back, actually re-read his stuff and change your read at the very very start of the game. No need to do that. No real scum purpose in doing that. Makes the geript bit look like a legitimate read that he then reconsidered later. Honestly that's a lot of the reason I don't like him for scum. I'll take a look at British but probably tomorrow while at work. Poking around elsewhere tonight. Still disagree with you on Shelvocke. I think he HAS posted a lot of fluff. I think a lot of his reads are unsubstantiated and don't feel real (No snb posts, not following up on VE, see the recent bit with rayn/mocsta/keirathi where he just makes this weird comment and that's it with no real reference to WHY he thinks what he says he thinks or what posts make him think what he says he thinks). | ||
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Sharrant
Canada543 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + He's off my scum list after these posts. They look much more like his town games. In his scum games he's more political in his posts. In his two scum games he's had disagreements but always contested things conservatively, compared to his town games like Red where he called bullshit twenty or so times on the first day. On April 07 2013 14:57 Keirathi wrote: EBWOP: Oh, what the fuck. Explain the bolded. Because it sounds like made up bullshit. On April 07 2013 15:28 Keirathi wrote: So go look at his filters from past games. Dismissing a meta read because you're too lazy to look at the meta yourself is just...wtfboggle. And my point wasn't that he was just pushing a plan to get himself high in the draft order. Yes, a townie could do that too. What I don't think a townie would do is specifically say that one plan was undeniably the best plan for town, the immediately flip flop on it and say that its a bad plan now, just because a new plan came up that benefits himself more. He's putting himself above the town as a whole; suddenly and for not much reason. (Which I also contend is completely different from what town rayn just did last game.) On April 08 2013 07:54 Keirathi wrote: @rayn: good, you're back First: ##Unvote Now, let's talk a bit: What are you defending here? WHY are you defensive? I didn't call you out for lurking/not contributing/whatever. Weird opening statement. You're right to an extent. I said that I hadn't read your scum meta. But everything about your play has been so glaringly different from the way you JUST played as town. Why? "Because the game is different" isn't an excuse for thinking and behaving completely differently. You didn't specifically call it dumb. I was...paraphrasing, a bit. And that post you just linked came before the post where I said you were calling geript's plan dumb, which is even weirder. Let's look at the progression, exactly: Then: geript's plan was exactly that: the people in the first 4 slots (aka pod, in this case) would be limited to a certain pod of picks. You said that was unarguably the best plan for town. Then changed your mind and are saying it's a bad plan. That's what I was getting at, here. Ugh, I hate this kind of excuse. "No one else was doing anything, so I refuse to do anything too!" YOU were the one saying that the top picks needed some kind of cooperation. Why didn't you try to get any? You just got your top pick, and buggered off. It's not my job to find out why you spew out bullshit reads with no explanation. The onus is on you to explain yourself. But again, that isn't even my point AT ALL. My entire point was that the way you are acquiring those reads is entirely inconsistent with how you acquired reads in Red Team. In Red Team, you saw something you didn't like, and either made a case right there, or you started poking and prodding at the person, questioning them and their motives. This game you just drop a name. Why so different? Again, missed the whole point. You said that the top picks needed to be cooperative with picking powerful roles/denying scum roles. But didn't try to cooperate at all with the top picks once the draft order came out. I already addressed that. No, trying to get yourself in a top pick isn't scummy, in itself. Rapidly changing your mind to a plan that benefits you more, personally, than town, and then refusing to back up your opinions on cooperating with the other top picks is scummy, though. I'm looking forward to seeing what you contribute today, though. Hopefully you can change my mind. ##Unvote: Keirathi Regarding Artanis I'm going to do some more reading tonight, but he has some posts that I find quite townie. I think they show that he is trying to contribute, as well as a clear thought process in attempting to help the town determine what is best in the draft phase. On April 04 2013 17:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote: So if I'm getting things right we plan on giving strong town reads effectively VT roles, correct? Though the idea of stopping strong scum roles is appealing, there are a myriad of strong roles in the game and I don't think sacrificing strong townreads that can pick early (and therefore are unlikely to be blocked by anyone) VT roles just to stop scum from picking certain roles is good. 1. They'll know exactly what X players before them picked so they can dodge roles that would otherwise make them VT. 2. Strong townreads end up with a public VT role rather than being able to help town beyond their scumhunting. 3. The townVT to scumVT balance will shift heavily in scum's favour 4. If there's scum before the last strong townread assigned to a scumrole, it could easily be sniped anyway. I think it's best if everyone hides their picks since it'll give scum the least amount of information and prevent them from having safe picks. Gives critical input on a plan as opposed to negative input, and has his first iteration of a plan: Everyone pick as discretely as possible. On April 04 2013 18:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I have a better plan for the Yamato plan, if you do decide to go through with it. If we have people that look suffeciently town, are early in the list and are willing to follow the plan, they could RNG between blocking a role and taking a 'real' role themselves without revealing which one they'd want to pick. It would create a risk too great for scum to pick that role unless they're going to WIFOM about if the town player would actually do it or not, and it'd give a 50% shot for the town player to actually still get a useful role. It's less certain than the Yamato plan but I think it puts town in a better position. It could have the same net effect yet have a higher chance for town to get more blues. Again giving critical input and creating a new plan, or at the very least a new iteration in Yamato's plan. On April 04 2013 22:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote: No one's actually addressed this yet, especially Yamato which I find strange as it's an improvement upon his plan. I'd propose we use it for 2 roles at the most though. Past that, it just becomes too unreliable. I don't like the VT claiming idea. Players that ended up with a VT role are still important to town in one way: Taking hits that would otherwise land on blues. I don't think the info gained on roles is worth this downside. There might be exceptions in certain situations (such as a player high up in the list claiming VT when he tried to pick a scummy role), but as the norm I'd be against it. Brings up his idea again, stating he believes it's an improvement to the plan, and again is applying critical thinking about the picking strategies that others are proposing. I don't see this as "hiding in set up speculation" I see this as someone applying critical thought as to how the town can start the game off with the most advantageous, and start the mafia off with the least. On April 05 2013 08:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote: The accountability is a good point actually, I hadn't thought about that yet. Hm. Still think it's better than doing nothing at all though since without any rules at all there's no accountability anyway. Will sleep on it. He takes criticism on his plan well, says he'll take time to think about it. To me it reads really townie,especially because of a later post where he brings up that the route town was going had no accountability. His posts to me show the thought process of someone trying to min/max the drafting system, and follows a plausible planning process. As I said earlier, I'll take a further look into him, and read the cases more thoroughly, but to me he reads as at least decently townie. I'm going to post this now, I'll be reading and writing for a (hopefully) larger post, so if anyone else is going to be on for a bit, let's chat about someone, I'll even let you pick who. | ||
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Palmar
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also I thought his post regarding the plans was overly fake for VE. | ||
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Mocsta
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On April 08 2013 09:42 yamato77 wrote: Let's lynch Artanis. The fact that the lynch has met resistance and people are arguing about other cases that are "scummier" is a good thing. I love information. OO's analysis of his meta is decent, and coupled with gonzaw's case, I could see Artanus as scum. As for who to vig, it should obviously be sinani. If you read his filter, he posts opportunistically, and generally has little to say. One post in particular I called out as being especially horrible, the one where he gives his "thoughts" on the lynch candidates and is null on three out of four. I was scum with him in Red Team's Prize, and he's acting similar to that game, here his posting in the thread is quiet and not forceful. His "push" of BM as a vig shot is also terrible, because I actually have him down as likely town. As for myself, since people seem to think I need to contribute more, meh. I gave the game the start I wanted and I have some decent town reads out of that, so as far as continuing a high level of activity, I don't feel that it's necessary. I'm doing my own scum hunting, and I make myself known throughout the day on where I'm at. If I drop off the face of the planet, feel free to shoot/lynch me, but I'm not going to be hyperactive in these games anymore. OK. I can accept this Yamato. I also like we both came to the same conclusion with Sinani. I get you dont want to be a thread leader/presence. No worries. But if you are scum hunting on your own; I would still would like to see you interact more with your scum reads. e.g. I dont believe you have tried to interact with Palmar, since your case. | ||
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yamato77
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Mocsta
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On April 08 2013 09:46 austinmcc wrote: I went through your case and told you a couple reasons I was townie on him. Scum can look active proposing plans, and not pushing anything hard, but I think that the particular plan that artanis mentioned and pushed was very anti-scum, and he could have posted a different plan/joined someone else's plan if he were scum and wanted to look active. Disagree. The plan itself was pro-town; but not how he went about campaigning it. There is a distinct lack of conviction. For some reason you are choosing to judge him from his actions; not his motivations. A town AustinMCC is better than this. I also find the timing on his geript stuff to be townie. Push him, leave, come back, actually re-read his stuff and change your read at the very very start of the game. No need to do that. No real scum purpose in doing that. Makes the geript bit look like a legitimate read that he then reconsidered later. Honestly that's a lot of the reason I don't like him for scum. Disagree; the case reads as if he saw my scum slip comment to Geript as an opportunity to make a case on a widely acknowledged lynch-bait candidate. I'll take a look at British but probably tomorrow while at work. Poking around elsewhere tonight. No need. OO makes a very good synopsis. You want a TL;DR, check out OO last post. Still disagree with you on Shelvocke. I think he HAS posted a lot of fluff. I think a lot of his reads are unsubstantiated and don't feel real (No snb posts, not following up on VE, see the recent bit with rayn/mocsta/keirathi where he just makes this weird comment and that's it with no real reference to WHY he thinks what he says he thinks or what posts make him think what he says he thinks). And how is any of this different to Artanis list post?Last night, I said to Artanis... town scum hunt under pressure; not contribute by making posts. Artanis replied he would provide scum hunting evidence later. That list of ppl being voting; is certainly not scum hunting to its finest, or most passionate. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
why is there no machine gun role that can kill like 8 people on day 1, I'd have liked that. Also there really is not enough killing this game. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On April 08 2013 09:36 Mocsta wrote: Do you think I was chasing you for funsies the other day? I dont think you scum anymore.. i just think your bad town But conviction was there, and I think Shevlocke comment was fair (regarding me at least) No. I want to know why Shelvocke thinks i'm town. | ||
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