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People HAVE been talking about Shevlocke. Meapak, you, and some others, ever since D1 started.
Scum can "push" any pro-town setup plan they want if they know it will never be implemented. It's also about roles so if implementing that plan gives them enormous town cred why not do it?
He didn't push it hard either so that's moot, he just proposed it, and mentioned it in passing in those "fluffy posts" here and there.
I won't really comment on Artanis "backing off". It did feel a little off to me if he was scum, but I can't take that as sole evidence he's town or some shit.
In MTG 2 Aperture did some stuff that made me back off my scum read on him (there was some stuff that made me and Prome go "Yeah this guy town", like him PMing us out of the game to tell us one of our jokes was funny or something like that)
Scum are totally able to do stuff that makes it feel "off" they are scum.
Reading his whole play though, it makes me think I should ignore that.
I don't mind shevlocke being a lynch candidate or being discussed (hopefully he shows up and does something as well), but I have no reason to lynch him over Artanis today.
I also wish someone vigs snoman and/or S&B tonight. This shit is getting ridiculous in terms of activity/caring about the game.
I'd prefer sno man dying before S&B though, for reasons previously stated.
I also want to know what Obvious concluded about Artanis when he checked his game history. He hasn't concluded anything yet
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On April 08 2013 04:37 strongandbig wrote:
okay hey austin so i still think that post where shelvocke votes for VE is like super insufficient, apparently his case was "VE is usually rash with KP but he's telling people to be rash with KP therefore he must be scum"?
he hasn't said much about much else except for a town read on ryan that doesn't make much sense but that's fine
hmmmmm, how about this as a point: he's been around a decent amount and posted a decent amount, but his posting has been very narrowly focused and he hasn't said anything about anything except for his current "focus" - first his focus was "make a case on VE" for several posts, and then he changed over and his next several posts were focused on "have a town read on ryan" - seems kind of like a scum who is very carefully parceling out his "positions" and making sure to milk each of them for posts and attention without actually doing very much, or as someone said in red mini mafia, like he's scum trying to play a "clean" game?
idk, something still feels weird about him to me It's insufficient but so are a number of the votes this game. The thing that I like least about the vote post is that he
(1) votes VE, because VE "isn't going to play" and "hasn't done anything to suggest that he is town"
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(2) Says you look very likely to be mafia because you didn't provide thoughts on what seemed to be an important subject to you and had a dissonance between your pre-game/game posting.
The vote post, in all honestly, feels like he has better reasons to be scummy on you, but is voting VE anyway, and it makes it feel like he's not really reading/thinking/scumhunting. His scumhunting turns you up, but he votes VE, who hasn't done anything to suggest that he is town.
For reference: + Show Spoiler +On April 07 2013 05:55 Shelvocke wrote:
If VE isn't going to play, we kill him. He hasn't done anything to suggest that he is town and is avoiding discussing anything of value.
##Vote VisceraEyes
strongandbig also looks very likely to be mafia. In particular the fact that he considered the number picking strategy to be extremely important but then failed to provide any original thoughts is very suspect. He also seemed very concerned in his pregame posts about roles but didn't provide any insight about them after the game started.
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Oh S&B posted it seems.
Anyways this D1 is like a fuckfest, with some null-scummy dudes (Shevlocke, others), and people that don't even show up (snoman, Caller, shevlocke himself, and more and more)
Let's just kill Artanis to make this D1 somewhat productive.
Unless someone is day vigi and has a super plan for today or something.
Also, yamato+rayn+Sharrant, i'm disappoint son 
You guys spent I dunno how many hours discussing shit in the drafting phase, yet now you guys disappear and do shit (I guess this applies to yamato the least, but I don't remember him being as active as before, at least comparing to Mocsta for instance).
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On April 08 2013 04:41 gonzaw wrote:
People HAVE been talking about Shevlocke. Meapak, you, and some others, ever since D1 started.
Scum can "push" any pro-town setup plan they want if they know it will never be implemented. It's also about roles so if implementing that plan gives them enormous town cred why not do it?
He didn't push it hard either so that's moot, he just proposed it, and mentioned it in passing in those "fluffy posts" here and there.
I won't really comment on Artanis "backing off". It did feel a little off to me if he was scum, but I can't take that as sole evidence he's town or some shit.
In MTG 2 Aperture did some stuff that made me back off my scum read on him (there was some stuff that made me and Prome go "Yeah this guy town", like him PMing us out of the game to tell us one of our jokes was funny or something like that)
Scum are totally able to do stuff that makes it feel "off" they are scum.
Reading his whole play though, it makes me think I should ignore that.
I don't mind shevlocke being a lynch candidate or being discussed (hopefully he shows up and does something as well), but I have no reason to lynch him over Artanis today.
I also wish someone vigs snoman and/or S&B tonight. This shit is getting ridiculous in terms of activity/caring about the game.
I'd prefer sno man dying before S&B though, for reasons previously stated.
I also want to know what Obvious concluded about Artanis when he checked his game history. He hasn't concluded anything yet
gonzaw did you read all that stuff i posted?
is there any reason you think i should be vigshot other than that i haven't been posting very much? Do you think that makes me scum or do you just want vigs to shoot lurkers?
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On April 08 2013 04:30 strongandbig wrote:
hey guys im grading problem sets right now but i took some time off to read the thread (lol 250 new posts) and heres what i got
gonzaws artanis case:
- accurately attacks his bad case on geript
- accurately attacks artanis for "out of place complaints about the town/thread", something that seems like a decent scumhunting heuristic but i hadn't really thought about before
- "other people are ignoring him" is a bad point, there hasn't been much reason to focus on him until now
- "fake aggression" really is more of a meta point, i would need to see examples of previous cases
i really don't like oatsmaster's post (18223749), it's pretty terribad. if artanis is scum i could see oats being scum too. or even if artanis isn't scum.
i like how gonzaw is actually trying to get people to pay attention to his big post#3000 case
in here is my answer to the case on me
obviousone in his post 18223896 makes the correct distinction, what i meant when i said "picking phase strategy" was the actual role picking, all the number picking strategy was stupid. basically, the only reason the attacks on me make sense is because i said that thing about the picking phase strategy being important, and then wasn't around to actually talk about or make plans during the actual picking phase. Well, the reason i wasn't around is that i wasn't around. i have at least three other time-occuping activities (girlfriend-having, apartment-hunting, and homework-doing) that are more important to me than mafia and i was doing those things friday and saturday.
now, that angle of attack is legitimate. it's incorrect because just being afk for a few days doesn't make me mafia. but it's legitimate.
the people who are attacking me for being off my meta are just ridiculous and/or lazy. if you actually want to look into my town meta, you need to look further back than just one game. criticizing bad posts is something i quite enjoy, and if you think me doing it makes me scum then i lol. lurking on occasion is also something i do, and if you think that makes me scum then i also lol.
post 18223971 geript votes for ryan for what appears to be no reason at all, weird because i remember seeing some townie stuff from geript earlier in the game. but this post is, what, an association case between ryan and meapak, without actually saying why he things meapak is scum? and also the fact that ryan doesn't comment on gonzaws artanis case? hmmmmmm, what is geript's comment on that case?
oatsmaster wants to lynch vivax why?
artanis's response to the gonzaw case - unconvincing but not obviously wrong, not sure here.
vivax: "anyone else finding s & b scummy" lol
oh my draft numbers were [4][2]
visceraeyes 18227911 what a terrible post
deconduo had just made a case on me and was following it up with a vote
completely different than what vivax did
visceraeyes Y U NO PAY ATTENTION
gonzaw says vig shot me VIGS DONT SHOOT ME I WILL DO GOOD THINGS FOR TOWN!!!!!!!!
Welcome to the game 
##Unvote: StrongandBig
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anyway before i go back to grading problem sets let me make my positions clear:
at the moment, i am willing to lynch shelvok because his filter reads to me like he's being very "on track" but his justifications for those things are super insufficient.
i am also willing to lynch artanis because gonzaws case seems good and artanis's response doesn't convince me he's town
out of other people who have votes at the moment, i won't support killing palmar or keirathi or ryan.
i would think about killing VE because of how bad his vote on deconduo is but it would take some persuading for me to do that.
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I made that post before you posted s&b.
Hye deconduo, what do you think about the Artanis case?
You seemed too hung up with the Vivax issue to comment on it.
Vivax too.
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Im up for a lynch.
ANY LYNCH
prefer vivax.
Artanis works
##Vote: Artanis
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On April 08 2013 04:52 strongandbig wrote:
i would think about killing VE because of how bad his vote on deconduo is but it would take some persuading for me to do that.
I think he's just trying to pressure me. He hasn't done anything scummy enough to get lynched yet.
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On April 08 2013 04:52 gonzaw wrote:
I made that post before you posted s&b.
Hye deconduo, what do you think about the Artanis case?
You seemed too hung up with the Vivax issue to comment on it.
Vivax too.
My first impression of artanis was town, but I haven't been following the case as you said. I'll take a look now.
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@gonzaw:
I just don't find your case all the convincing, tbh. I think the strongest point you make is the one about the needless complaining about the thread (and maybe a bit about the geript case), but I don't think that is enough to lynch him on. Most of your other points are just comparing him to other players, which is useless and futile. Artanis is not yamato, or rayn, or Sharrant, or me, or VE, or whoever else you compared him to. He's Artanis, and will play like Artanis, not anyone else.
And about the "fake" aggression, I just flat out disagree with that whole section. I took a look back at British since people were talking about it, and he does that same kind of thing as town. Calls out a post, then antagonizes people for disagreeing with him or not commenting on it. Then moved on or keeps pressuring it, as appropriate.
Overall, I'm not particularly interested in lynching Artanis today.
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Keirathi, how do you feel about VE not really pushing himself to the forefront at all?
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On April 08 2013 04:41 gonzaw wrote:
People HAVE been talking about Shevlocke. Meapak, you, and some others, ever since D1 started.
Scum can "push" any pro-town setup plan they want if they know it will never be implemented. It's also about roles so if implementing that plan gives them enormous town cred why not do it?
He didn't push it hard either so that's moot, he just proposed it, and mentioned it in passing in those "fluffy posts" here and there.
I won't really comment on Artanis "backing off". It did feel a little off to me if he was scum, but I can't take that as sole evidence he's town or some shit.
In MTG 2 Aperture did some stuff that made me back off my scum read on him (there was some stuff that made me and Prome go "Yeah this guy town", like him PMing us out of the game to tell us one of our jokes was funny or something like that)
Scum are totally able to do stuff that makes it feel "off" they are scum.
Reading his whole play though, it makes me think I should ignore that.
I don't mind shevlocke being a lynch candidate or being discussed (hopefully he shows up and does something as well), but I have no reason to lynch him over Artanis today.
I also wish someone vigs snoman and/or S&B tonight. This shit is getting ridiculous in terms of activity/caring about the game.
I'd prefer sno man dying before S&B though, for reasons previously stated.
I also want to know what Obvious concluded about Artanis when he checked his game history. He hasn't concluded anything yet
After Meapak posts on Shelvocke, here is a summary of talk about shelvocke.- I like the read and vote: + Show Spoiler +
On April 07 2013 11:43 austinmcc wrote:I'm actually really digging that Shelvocke read. Yes, most of the posts are worthless, but the VE vote feels weak as well. Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 05:10 Shelvocke wrote:On April 06 2013 00:56 VisceraEyes wrote:
I just woke up and I have a fucking crazy idea.
What if everyone who picks KP roles promises not to use them? I was looking at the role list and it seems that scum KP is fixed at 1? So it seems like scum will be focusing on trying to increase their KP (in a game this size).
What if we all just don't use KP roles and lynch the fucking piss out of anyone who does? I mean obviously scum aren't going to claim if/when they do, but if we can get townies into the KP roles this would be a really good way to try and limit mafia KP. ^Mafia He's either not reading the thread at all or he's trying to fake a contribution as the idea that he brings up is one that has been repeated by a bunch of other players and is crap anyway. Additionally, VisceraEyes is known for taking ridiculous shots himself and doing whatever he feels like as town so it's very out of character for him to suggest that these types of players should be auto-lynched. VE isn't reading/is faking a contribution. This can be scummy, but at this point in the game there are A LOT of players who fit that criteria. The second bit, VE being...hypocritical because he often is ridiculous and is suggesting people not be ridiculous is just dumb. I'm often an idiot. I don't suggest other people are. Some players are confusing/lurky, they don't suggest that other people be confusing/lurky. Heck, the VE personality in Personality 2 just poked at VE's claiming, which, if anything, should reinforce the idea that VE might not recommend to others that they play how he has in certain past games. Half that two sentence read is just...badwrong. The other half is true of a number of players, with no reason given why VE is singled out. And ze vote? Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 05:55 Shelvocke wrote:
If VE isn't going to play, we kill him. He hasn't done anything to suggest that he is town and is avoiding discussing anything of value.
##Vote VisceraEyes
strongandbig also looks very likely to be mafia. In particular the fact that he considered the number picking strategy to be extremely important but then failed to provide any original thoughts is very suspect. He also seemed very concerned in his pregame posts about roles but didn't provide any insight about them after the game started. 24 hours later. Not important because he didn't vote earlier, he couldn't, but important because discussion of VE has popped up here and there throughout the thread during those 24 hours. Shelvocke, who has really only called out VE at this point (apart from asking gonzaw if his secret scumread was snb (which he now adds to)), doesn't seem to care about anything that's been posted about/by VE during those 24 hours. Note that he HAS followed up on snb, looks to have reread snb before making that post. But his vote post on VE has more meat, more indication that Shelvocke is scumhunting, when he brings up snb, not VE, who he is actually voting for. Do not like. ##Vote: Shelvocke - Shelvocke responds partially: + Show Spoiler +
On April 07 2013 14:56 Shelvocke wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 11:43 austinmcc wrote:I'm actually really digging that Shelvocke read. Yes, most of the posts are worthless, but the VE vote feels weak as well. On April 06 2013 05:10 Shelvocke wrote:On April 06 2013 00:56 VisceraEyes wrote:
I just woke up and I have a fucking crazy idea.
What if everyone who picks KP roles promises not to use them? I was looking at the role list and it seems that scum KP is fixed at 1? So it seems like scum will be focusing on trying to increase their KP (in a game this size).
What if we all just don't use KP roles and lynch the fucking piss out of anyone who does? I mean obviously scum aren't going to claim if/when they do, but if we can get townies into the KP roles this would be a really good way to try and limit mafia KP. ^Mafia He's either not reading the thread at all or he's trying to fake a contribution as the idea that he brings up is one that has been repeated by a bunch of other players and is crap anyway. Additionally, VisceraEyes is known for taking ridiculous shots himself and doing whatever he feels like as town so it's very out of character for him to suggest that these types of players should be auto-lynched. VE isn't reading/is faking a contribution. This can be scummy, but at this point in the game there are A LOT of players who fit that criteria. The second bit, VE being...hypocritical because he often is ridiculous and is suggesting people not be ridiculous is just dumb. I'm often an idiot. I don't suggest other people are. Some players are confusing/lurky, they don't suggest that other people be confusing/lurky. Heck, the VE personality in Personality 2 just poked at VE's claiming, which, if anything, should reinforce the idea that VE might not recommend to others that they play how he has in certain past games. Half that two sentence read is just...badwrong. The other half is true of a number of players, with no reason given why VE is singled out. It's not about VE not recommending how he plays to others. I would understand if he just said the "hold off on kp". It's about the fact that he takes an aspect of play that is much more associated with town players (being rash with KP) and something that he does himself so frequently and says that these players should be auto-lynched. He should be well aware that town players are the ones who fall into stuff like that after being lynched himself so much for things like that. I don't see any town motivations behind his attitude there. - Shelvocke comments on rayn with Keirathi/Mocsta. They do not address Shelvocke as Shelvocke at all, only as him being someone interested in rayn: + Show Spoiler +
On April 07 2013 15:33 Shelvocke wrote:I don't really think rayn is mafia. His play does look different from those town quotes you had, but it doesn't look like that mafia game either. The only part of that game where he just suddenly jumps is the part where he votes for Krefla and even then he has a reason because Krefla just came in right before the deadline. The fact that he seems a lot more impulsive in this game than he has been before is something that points to him being town. I feel he would be a lot more careful and safe as mafia. The plan switch looks kind of strange, but his overall attitude makes him more likely town. On April 07 2013 15:35 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 15:33 Shelvocke wrote:I don't really think rayn is mafia. His play does look different from those town quotes you had, but it doesn't look like that mafia game either. The only part of that game where he just suddenly jumps is the part where he votes for Krefla and even then he has a reason because Krefla just came in right before the deadline. The fact that he seems a lot more impulsive in this game than he has been before is something that points to him being town. I feel he would be a lot more careful and safe as mafia. The plan switch looks kind of strange, but his overall attitude makes him more likely town. More impulsive as instigator or in reaction to others? On April 07 2013 15:39 Shelvocke wrote:
What do you mean? He seems to jump around based on what's going on in the thread. On April 07 2013 15:44 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 15:39 Shelvocke wrote:
What do you mean? He seems to jump around based on what's going on in the thread. Thank you. so impulsive is then defined as: in response to others; rather than in creating new ideas. I dont see what is townie about that. Scum can be equally impulsive in regards to thread sentiment. However, I dont particularly care about the action itself: do you think his motives for "jumping around" is founded upon processing new information to update the conclusion? On April 07 2013 15:50 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 15:33 Shelvocke wrote:I don't really think rayn is mafia. His play does look different from those town quotes you had, but it doesn't look like that mafia game either. The only part of that game where he just suddenly jumps is the part where he votes for Krefla and even then he has a reason because Krefla just came in right before the deadline. The fact that he seems a lot more impulsive in this game than he has been before is something that points to him being town. I feel he would be a lot more careful and safe as mafia. The plan switch looks kind of strange, but his overall attitude makes him more likely town. I've thought about it from that angle as well. But I run into a problem: Show nested quote +On March 30 2013 10:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 30 2013 10:21 marvellosity wrote:
Apparently rayn is mafia in XXXIX
this makes me think considerably worse of him here (sorry man)
see you all tomorrow wow, a meta case on me. I play the same as town or mafia, believe or not, jsut that my intentions are different. But go on and expand this, you have been willing to do this a while anyways. I'm willing to hear that. Show nested quote +On April 01 2013 05:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 01 2013 03:57 Keirathi wrote:On April 01 2013 03:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:I'm feeling a bit better about Rayn now that he's decided to talk more about his role. His shots make me want to yell at him though, but I'm not sure if I want to lynch him for it yet. You srsly think there is a possibility that i am scum and shot my teammate? To be fair, I think there is a *possibility* that you did. However, I don't find it *likely* that you did. But Acro was dead either way. If you are scum, you might as well shoot him and get town cred to ride to the easy win. The question really comes down to "Does scum rayn have the balls to pull it off?" I can tell you that scum!rayn would have the balls to do stuff like that. Don't you think it would be a bit OP for mafia to have an incredibly powerful vote-rigger (given that Palmar had the double lynch power) and a multi-shot anonymous vigi? Those are some more quotes from Red Team. Which leads me to believe that rayn is incredibly confident in his own scum play, and therefore wouldn't necessarily play careful or safe and that he would take risks that helped him win. I dunno though. I'll think about it some more, and see what he has to say. For now, I'm going to sleep though. G'nite! On April 07 2013 15:52 Shelvocke wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 15:44 Mocsta wrote:On April 07 2013 15:39 Shelvocke wrote:
What do you mean? He seems to jump around based on what's going on in the thread. Thank you. so impulsive is then defined as: in response to others; rather than in creating new ideas. I dont see what is townie about that. Scum can be equally impulsive in regards to thread sentiment. However, I dont particularly care about the action itself: do you think his motives for "jumping around" is founded upon processing new information to update the conclusion? I get what you're saying, but I've never seen a new mafia player be so crazy. I don't really understand the reasons for some of the stuff he does but it seems to me that he sees one post and then just makes up his mind based on that. Usually new mafia are much more safe and concerned about their appearance. It's possible he's some kind of mafia gosu but frankly that's not the impression I get from him. On April 07 2013 15:58 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 15:52 Shelvocke wrote:On April 07 2013 15:44 Mocsta wrote:On April 07 2013 15:39 Shelvocke wrote:
What do you mean? He seems to jump around based on what's going on in the thread. Thank you. so impulsive is then defined as: in response to others; rather than in creating new ideas. I dont see what is townie about that. Scum can be equally impulsive in regards to thread sentiment. However, I dont particularly care about the action itself: do you think his motives for "jumping around" is founded upon processing new information to update the conclusion? I get what you're saying, but I've never seen a new mafia player be so crazy. I don't really understand the reasons for some of the stuff he does but it seems to me that he sees one post and then just makes up his mind based on that. Usually new mafia are much more safe and concerned about their appearance. It's possible he's some kind of mafia gosu but frankly that's not the impression I get from him. I understand what you are saying. But keep in mind, he is a spammy player at heart. This implies he is aggressive/carefree/impulsive/confident in general, and thus; the typical mafia "too scared to post" heuristic, does not apply. I was not scared to post in my first game as scum; in fact, I tried to take control of town.Further, his scum game (whilst in a newbie) was still relatively spammy. So it really does come back down to motives for flipflopping. - Meapak asks for more comment on shevlocke, noting that he likes the Artanis case more but shevlocke a good second candidate + Show Spoiler +
On April 08 2013 01:18 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Gonzaw <3 I had forgotten about Artanis/hadn't felt like I had enough evidence to go after him. That part that really rang a bell for me was that He's made a few posts that are like three paragraphs long so they look like a solid post but in fact don't say anything... my dear old friend CWC (contributing without contributing) doing work.
I'd like more people to comment on my shevlocke case which, while I feel it is weaker than the artanis case, is my number two suspect.
I also feel that vivax is scummy, however he's like number three on my list.
Two people I want opinions on are Strongandbig and sharrant. Not sure what to make of either of them atm.
That's it. I add my thoughts. Meapak asks for comment once. Shelvocke responds to part of my post on him, but that's the sum total of his response to things. Keirathi and Mocsta speak WITH shelvocke about rayn, but aren't analysing shelvocke as a player and shelvocke is dealing with the rayn bits and then poofs away again.
So no, gonzaw, and no anyone else who may think that there has been discussion on this. There has NOT been any discussion on Shelvocke. There were reads posted, votes made, and NOBODY commented. He didn't fully address the concerns. It FEELS like there's been discussion on him, but in actuality that entirely untrue and he deserves attention, deserves discussion [and deserves votes].
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On April 08 2013 05:02 geript wrote:
Keirathi, how do you feel about VE not really pushing himself to the forefront at all?
I already said what I thought about VE. That, at least up until this point, he isn't doing one of his tradition scum tactics. Until he does, I have no interest in lynching him.
Not pushing himself to the forefront can be a combination of tons of things that aren't alignment indicative; being busy, uninterested, etc. And hell, even scum VE tries to push himself into the forefront of (most) games.
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On April 08 2013 04:47 gonzaw wrote:[...] Also, yamato+rayn+Sharrant, i'm disappoint son You guys spent I dunno how many hours discussing shit in the drafting phase, yet now you guys disappear and do shit (I guess this applies to yamato the least, but I don't remember him being as active as before, at least comparing to Mocsta for instance).
I want to highlight this section of the post, there are a lot of people who were very active or even slightly active during the picking phase but have now dropped out of sight. Now I could understand that a townie would be discouraged if they didn't get the role they wanted and are now a bit less invested in the game, however this is also an excellent cover for scum to lurk under.
I'd love if yamato, rayn, sharrant, obviousone, and snoman could give us their thoughts on the current cases being discussed. What do you think of Artanis? What do you think of Shevlocke? What do you think of Vivax? Are there any people you consider scum who are not currently up for lynch today?
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@austin: you and gonzaw both bring up good points that certain people have cases made about them and then the thread seems to forget or gloss over them. Regardless of who gets lynched today, I think we really need to remember the other suspects from today and address them tomorrow because you're right, there has not been a lot of discussion about people who I feel are very good lynch options.
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I'm willing to give S & B slack now, if he has rl issues. But if he can't play the game properly on the long term cause of those he should rather opt for a replacement. Being a wildcard doesn't help town.
Gonzaw, took a look through Artanis filter and his defense to your case, but I don't see stuff striking me as scummy. I thought he was scum in British for his defensive play, and the smaller posts can be explained through the lower motivation in a big game like he explained.
You also mention a thing in your case where Artanis called out geript for giving out a controversial opinion to geript:
I just can't believe Artanis is serious with that accusation. It seems he saw something random from geript and decided to use it against him without even thinking about it, it's the only explanation I can find.
You don't believe he is serious with it, but it does indeed look...controversial from geript to have written that thing. I don't think you can hold that against Artanis for example outside of your belief that he wasn't serious with it.
Or calling his aggressive behaviour fake. I don't see why you arbitrarily call it either aggressive or fake.
I don't know if there's just a lot of confirmation bias in that case, gonzaw, but it didn't convince me, tbh it looks like you added too many extras to it :o[
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Ill love it if they even show up in the thread.
So many lurky dudes.
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Hmm, one quick question guys (please answer):
Are you content with the way this D1 is going? As in, how discussion in general is going, how scumhunting is going, how pressure on players is going, how consolidation is going, etc? How players are part of thread/discussions, etc?
I personally don't like it that much.
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