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On March 12 2013 03:53 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 03:16 supersoft wrote:On March 12 2013 03:15 slOosh wrote:On March 12 2013 03:04 marvellosity wrote:
I'm certainly not giving yamato's opinions any more weight than I was previously. Is anyone else actually doing so? I don't think so. lol dude stop sidestepping yamato shot modconfirmed town Be clear with it: do you think he is town? Cause right now all you are doing is theorizing on how viable of a mafia move it is, not how scummy yamato actually is. and you should read the thread. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=281403¤tpage=75#1492how is this situation any different?
1. his role works like this:
+ Show Spoiler +On March 11 2013 16:49 yamato77 wrote:
First of all, my role is all inclusive. I didn't choose to reveal his alignment and then shoot him, it happens as a consequence of the person being town. So as soon as I PM'd his name as the alignment check, his fate was sealed and there was nothing I could do about it.
Why did I do it, knowing this risk? Firstly, I feel like the people roleplaying heavily, aside from perhaps Prom, deserve a good hard look. None of them had been saying much up to that point and I felt like it was a huge distraction. Kurumi was the worst in this group by a long shot, so losing him even if he was town was not a huge loss. More importantly, it kept town from focusing on him the entire rest of the day with his attention whore mentality and martyring.
Basically, I used my alignment check much like a vigi shot. Shoot into the worst of the unreadables and hope you hit red. Unfortunately, I didn't, but it was still objectively a decent move because what it did was get attention away from Kurumi and mainly on to me, where scum have a more difficult time taking a stance due to the more unsure thread sentiment regarding myself at the moment. I can now proceed to completely remove all doubt from the situation and look at who attacked me and why to make inferences about their alignment.
The "Pro gf snipe" comment was a joke on my role. Super soft should remember being the target of MZ as a dayvig after Super had just shot a mafia player. MZ made a comment just like that one as he decided to shoot super, who was town. My role, thus, only shoots people that are town. If they were mafia, it works like a detective chevk., where I receive a PM detailing their alignment. I will make it clear, after the alignment check popped up into the thread, I had zero control over the death of Kurumi. The comment was a joke. The shot was predetermined. I sure hope kita and Grey got a good laugh out of it.
that means he didnt shoot the modconfirmed townie. The shot followed the check automatically.
2. I am quite suspicious of him and he won't answer the question about the WBG game
+ Show Spoiler +On March 11 2013 17:21 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 16:49 yamato77 wrote:
First of all, my role is all inclusive. I didn't choose to reveal his alignment and then shoot him, it happens as a consequence of the person being town. So as soon as I PM'd his name as the alignment check, his fate was sealed and there was nothing I could do about it.
Why did I do it, knowing this risk? Firstly, I feel like the people roleplaying heavily, aside from perhaps Prom, deserve a good hard look. None of them had been saying much up to that point and I felt like it was a huge distraction. Kurumi was the worst in this group by a long shot, so losing him even if he was town was not a huge loss. More importantly, it kept town from focusing on him the entire rest of the day with his attention whore mentality and martyring.
Basically, I used my alignment check much like a vigi shot. Shoot into the worst of the unreadables and hope you hit red. Unfortunately, I didn't, but it was still objectively a decent move because what it did was get attention away from Kurumi and mainly on to me, where scum have a more difficult time taking a stance due to the more unsure thread sentiment regarding myself at the moment. I can now proceed to completely remove all doubt from the situation and look at who attacked me and why to make inferences about their alignment.
The "Pro gf snipe" comment was a joke on my role. Super soft should remember being the target of MZ as a dayvig after Super had just shot a mafia player. MZ made a comment just like that one as he decided to shoot super, who was town. My role, thus, only shoots people that are town. If they were mafia, it works like a detective chevk., where I receive a PM detailing their alignment. I will make it clear, after the alignment check popped up into the thread, I had zero control over the death of Kurumi. The comment was a joke. The shot was predetermined. I sure hope kita and Grey got a good laugh out of it. but you remember that MZ was scumGF back then right? Did you play in WBGs last game with marv, syllo, sandro and me? On March 11 2013 17:39 supersoft wrote:
that shot and check was completely unreasonable... This hasty usage of blue powers looks suspicious to me.
Don't really get, why marv thinks that move was good. On March 11 2013 17:55 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 17:51 yamato77 wrote:On March 11 2013 17:39 supersoft wrote:
that shot and check was completely unreasonable... This hasty usage of blue powers looks suspicious to me.
Don't really get, why marv thinks that move was good. It was not unreasonable. Perhaps, as Kurumi suggested, I could have aimed it at someone like Ver, but the risk of losing a potential town asset over the guy fucking up the thread while I was at work seemed a little too high. is your ability a one time thing or can you do it more often?
wbg described the davig usage for scum on day1 quite precisely.
The difference is, that wbgs dayvigs hat to ##shoot in the thread. But in general scumdayvigs shoot crazy guys who are under heavy suspicion. Kurumi was the perfect scumdayvig-target... IF you have to claim.
If you don't have to claim, I think as scum you shouldnt claim...
The question is: Is yamato courageous enough to do that as scum OR is he stupid enough to do that as town.
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I am more inclined to lynch bugs over crossfire now. Rather than be furious about a mislynch, he waited forever and then has returned to just dick around. Calls out iamperfection out of nowhere, and it feels like he's just wasting time (and town is as well) by carrying on this discussion about iamperfection. Unless you think iamperfection is a serious lynch candidate, then I don't think we should be discussing him. Bugs isn't angry at a mislynch, bugs isn't trying to further discussion, he just tosses iamp out as a lynch target, and then when anyone disagrees with him bugs asks them "why?" or to go run an errand and find him proof. Waste of time.
Crossfire continues to be scum, but he's not actively dicking up the thread at this point. Seems like he's decided to lurk and not be so noticeable.
The hopefully-soon-to-be-mayor would like to form a concerned citizens' council/neighborhood watch organization. The goal of this organization should be to look into what BC is doing. Specifically, he has called out a number of players for not participating. And he is right to call them out. But...that is the vast majority of his filter. His scumhunting has been limited to "here's a list of lurky folks, one or more of them is probably scum." That's not really scumhunting. Says oats soft-claimed scum, nothing further about oats. Just continued sniping at absent players. I do not like this. I expect more from BC, especially where he postsOn March 06 2013 11:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
weekend works less well for me but thats because im busy all day friday and saturday.
Starts sunday I am good.
If you can find a lot of substantive activity from him on Sunday, let me know. If you can find a lot of substantive activity from him Monday, let me know. Otherwise, citizens, please keep watch over BC. Do not let his absence pass you by. He knows how to play this game, and he has been content to drop the occasional comment about ver/foolishness/slOosh, and then discuss who he wants to lynch from that list. Scummy.
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Proofreading Hiro, its hlefpul.
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Loil chedck that link carefulyy the claimers is a town plaeyer. Whys bring that up sloosh?
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On March 12 2013 04:13 HiroPro wrote:
Loil chedck that link carefulyy the claimers is a town plaeyer. Whys bring that up sloosh?
are you drunk?
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Yamato's defense for everything is that the other person's argument is stupid because he is obviously town.
He calls people out for being scum and never expands on it, which Sloosh just mentioned. The only time he expanded on calling someone scum was on VE, and he quoted 1 post and called him scum in like 2 sentences. I'm not sure why you guys call that scumhunting...
Hiro is calling me scum because he is OMGUSing.
@Vivax: The reason I did not attack Yamato when you did was because I was either playing SC2 (yesterday evening) or I was asleep. I've made it quite clear why I think Yamato is scum and my vote is backing that up.
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On March 12 2013 04:10 austinmcc wrote:I am more inclined to lynch bugs over crossfire now. Rather than be furious about a mislynch, he waited forever and then has returned to just dick around. Calls out iamperfection out of nowhere, and it feels like he's just wasting time (and town is as well) by carrying on this discussion about iamperfection. Unless you think iamperfection is a serious lynch candidate, then I don't think we should be discussing him. Bugs isn't angry at a mislynch, bugs isn't trying to further discussion, he just tosses iamp out as a lynch target, and then when anyone disagrees with him bugs asks them "why?" or to go run an errand and find him proof. Waste of time. Crossfire continues to be scum, but he's not actively dicking up the thread at this point. Seems like he's decided to lurk and not be so noticeable. The hopefully-soon-to-be-mayor would like to form a concerned citizens' council/neighborhood watch organization. The goal of this organization should be to look into what BC is doing. Specifically, he has called out a number of players for not participating. And he is right to call them out. But...that is the vast majority of his filter. His scumhunting has been limited to "here's a list of lurky folks, one or more of them is probably scum." That's not really scumhunting. Says oats soft-claimed scum, nothing further about oats. Just continued sniping at absent players. I do not like this. I expect more from BC, especially where he posts Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 11:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
weekend works less well for me but thats because im busy all day friday and saturday.
Starts sunday I am good. If you can find a lot of substantive activity from him on Sunday, let me know. If you can find a lot of substantive activity from him Monday, let me know. Otherwise, citizens, please keep watch over BC. Do not let his absence pass you by. He knows how to play this game, and he has been content to drop the occasional comment about ver/foolishness/slOosh, and then discuss who he wants to lynch from that list. Scummy.
So you feel sure that WBG is scum?
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On March 12 2013 04:15 cDgCorazon wrote:
Yamato's defense for everything is that the other person's argument is stupid because he is obviously town.
He calls people out for being scum and never expands on it, which Sloosh just mentioned. The only time he expanded on calling someone scum was on VE, and he quoted 1 post and called him scum in like 2 sentences. I'm not sure why you guys call that scumhunting...
Hiro is calling me scum because he is OMGUSing.
@Vivax: The reason I did not attack Yamato when you did was because I was either playing SC2 (yesterday evening) or I was asleep. I've made it quite clear why I think Yamato is scum and my vote is backing that up.
your defences have been markedly worse bish
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On March 12 2013 04:09 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 03:53 slOosh wrote:On March 12 2013 03:16 supersoft wrote:On March 12 2013 03:15 slOosh wrote:On March 12 2013 03:04 marvellosity wrote:
I'm certainly not giving yamato's opinions any more weight than I was previously. Is anyone else actually doing so? I don't think so. lol dude stop sidestepping yamato shot modconfirmed town Be clear with it: do you think he is town? Cause right now all you are doing is theorizing on how viable of a mafia move it is, not how scummy yamato actually is. and you should read the thread. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=281403¤tpage=75#1492how is this situation any different? 1. his role works like this: + Show Spoiler +On March 11 2013 16:49 yamato77 wrote:
First of all, my role is all inclusive. I didn't choose to reveal his alignment and then shoot him, it happens as a consequence of the person being town. So as soon as I PM'd his name as the alignment check, his fate was sealed and there was nothing I could do about it.
Why did I do it, knowing this risk? Firstly, I feel like the people roleplaying heavily, aside from perhaps Prom, deserve a good hard look. None of them had been saying much up to that point and I felt like it was a huge distraction. Kurumi was the worst in this group by a long shot, so losing him even if he was town was not a huge loss. More importantly, it kept town from focusing on him the entire rest of the day with his attention whore mentality and martyring.
Basically, I used my alignment check much like a vigi shot. Shoot into the worst of the unreadables and hope you hit red. Unfortunately, I didn't, but it was still objectively a decent move because what it did was get attention away from Kurumi and mainly on to me, where scum have a more difficult time taking a stance due to the more unsure thread sentiment regarding myself at the moment. I can now proceed to completely remove all doubt from the situation and look at who attacked me and why to make inferences about their alignment.
The "Pro gf snipe" comment was a joke on my role. Super soft should remember being the target of MZ as a dayvig after Super had just shot a mafia player. MZ made a comment just like that one as he decided to shoot super, who was town. My role, thus, only shoots people that are town. If they were mafia, it works like a detective chevk., where I receive a PM detailing their alignment. I will make it clear, after the alignment check popped up into the thread, I had zero control over the death of Kurumi. The comment was a joke. The shot was predetermined. I sure hope kita and Grey got a good laugh out of it. that means he didnt shoot the modconfirmed townie. The shot followed the check automatically. 2. I am quite suspicious of him and he won't answer the question about the WBG game + Show Spoiler +On March 11 2013 17:21 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 16:49 yamato77 wrote:
First of all, my role is all inclusive. I didn't choose to reveal his alignment and then shoot him, it happens as a consequence of the person being town. So as soon as I PM'd his name as the alignment check, his fate was sealed and there was nothing I could do about it.
Why did I do it, knowing this risk? Firstly, I feel like the people roleplaying heavily, aside from perhaps Prom, deserve a good hard look. None of them had been saying much up to that point and I felt like it was a huge distraction. Kurumi was the worst in this group by a long shot, so losing him even if he was town was not a huge loss. More importantly, it kept town from focusing on him the entire rest of the day with his attention whore mentality and martyring.
Basically, I used my alignment check much like a vigi shot. Shoot into the worst of the unreadables and hope you hit red. Unfortunately, I didn't, but it was still objectively a decent move because what it did was get attention away from Kurumi and mainly on to me, where scum have a more difficult time taking a stance due to the more unsure thread sentiment regarding myself at the moment. I can now proceed to completely remove all doubt from the situation and look at who attacked me and why to make inferences about their alignment.
The "Pro gf snipe" comment was a joke on my role. Super soft should remember being the target of MZ as a dayvig after Super had just shot a mafia player. MZ made a comment just like that one as he decided to shoot super, who was town. My role, thus, only shoots people that are town. If they were mafia, it works like a detective chevk., where I receive a PM detailing their alignment. I will make it clear, after the alignment check popped up into the thread, I had zero control over the death of Kurumi. The comment was a joke. The shot was predetermined. I sure hope kita and Grey got a good laugh out of it. but you remember that MZ was scumGF back then right? Did you play in WBGs last game with marv, syllo, sandro and me? On March 11 2013 17:39 supersoft wrote:
that shot and check was completely unreasonable... This hasty usage of blue powers looks suspicious to me.
Don't really get, why marv thinks that move was good. On March 11 2013 17:55 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 17:51 yamato77 wrote:On March 11 2013 17:39 supersoft wrote:
that shot and check was completely unreasonable... This hasty usage of blue powers looks suspicious to me.
Don't really get, why marv thinks that move was good. It was not unreasonable. Perhaps, as Kurumi suggested, I could have aimed it at someone like Ver, but the risk of losing a potential town asset over the guy fucking up the thread while I was at work seemed a little too high. is your ability a one time thing or can you do it more often? wbg described the davig usage for scum on day1 quite precisely. The difference is, that wbgs dayvigs hat to ##shoot in the thread. But in general scumdayvigs shoot crazy guys who are under heavy suspicion. Kurumi was the perfect scumdayvig-target... IF you have to claim. If you don't have to claim, I think as scum you shouldnt claim... The question is: Is yamato courageous enough to do that as scum OR is he stupid enough to do that as town.
Why do you assume he had no choice in the matter of killing Kurumi? If it didn't matter why was there a period in between Kurumi's reveal to town and his death?
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EBWOP would like an answer ASAP austin
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On March 12 2013 04:16 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 04:15 cDgCorazon wrote:
Yamato's defense for everything is that the other person's argument is stupid because he is obviously town.
He calls people out for being scum and never expands on it, which Sloosh just mentioned. The only time he expanded on calling someone scum was on VE, and he quoted 1 post and called him scum in like 2 sentences. I'm not sure why you guys call that scumhunting...
Hiro is calling me scum because he is OMGUSing.
@Vivax: The reason I did not attack Yamato when you did was because I was either playing SC2 (yesterday evening) or I was asleep. I've made it quite clear why I think Yamato is scum and my vote is backing that up. your defences have been markedly worse bish
At least I've put up a defense (several posts explaining the nature of my agreement with BnS). That has to count for a lot more than "Your argument is stupid I'm not scum".
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On March 12 2013 04:13 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 04:13 HiroPro wrote:
Loil chedck that link carefulyy the claimers is a town plaeyer. Whys bring that up sloosh? are you drunk?
Thats woudl ber bad foir me i stills goyt thinhgs to do only a liitle bit.
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On March 12 2013 04:16 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 04:09 supersoft wrote:On March 12 2013 03:53 slOosh wrote:On March 12 2013 03:16 supersoft wrote:On March 12 2013 03:15 slOosh wrote:On March 12 2013 03:04 marvellosity wrote:
I'm certainly not giving yamato's opinions any more weight than I was previously. Is anyone else actually doing so? I don't think so. lol dude stop sidestepping yamato shot modconfirmed town Be clear with it: do you think he is town? Cause right now all you are doing is theorizing on how viable of a mafia move it is, not how scummy yamato actually is. and you should read the thread. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=281403¤tpage=75#1492how is this situation any different? 1. his role works like this: + Show Spoiler +On March 11 2013 16:49 yamato77 wrote:
First of all, my role is all inclusive. I didn't choose to reveal his alignment and then shoot him, it happens as a consequence of the person being town. So as soon as I PM'd his name as the alignment check, his fate was sealed and there was nothing I could do about it.
Why did I do it, knowing this risk? Firstly, I feel like the people roleplaying heavily, aside from perhaps Prom, deserve a good hard look. None of them had been saying much up to that point and I felt like it was a huge distraction. Kurumi was the worst in this group by a long shot, so losing him even if he was town was not a huge loss. More importantly, it kept town from focusing on him the entire rest of the day with his attention whore mentality and martyring.
Basically, I used my alignment check much like a vigi shot. Shoot into the worst of the unreadables and hope you hit red. Unfortunately, I didn't, but it was still objectively a decent move because what it did was get attention away from Kurumi and mainly on to me, where scum have a more difficult time taking a stance due to the more unsure thread sentiment regarding myself at the moment. I can now proceed to completely remove all doubt from the situation and look at who attacked me and why to make inferences about their alignment.
The "Pro gf snipe" comment was a joke on my role. Super soft should remember being the target of MZ as a dayvig after Super had just shot a mafia player. MZ made a comment just like that one as he decided to shoot super, who was town. My role, thus, only shoots people that are town. If they were mafia, it works like a detective chevk., where I receive a PM detailing their alignment. I will make it clear, after the alignment check popped up into the thread, I had zero control over the death of Kurumi. The comment was a joke. The shot was predetermined. I sure hope kita and Grey got a good laugh out of it. that means he didnt shoot the modconfirmed townie. The shot followed the check automatically. 2. I am quite suspicious of him and he won't answer the question about the WBG game + Show Spoiler +On March 11 2013 17:21 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 16:49 yamato77 wrote:
First of all, my role is all inclusive. I didn't choose to reveal his alignment and then shoot him, it happens as a consequence of the person being town. So as soon as I PM'd his name as the alignment check, his fate was sealed and there was nothing I could do about it.
Why did I do it, knowing this risk? Firstly, I feel like the people roleplaying heavily, aside from perhaps Prom, deserve a good hard look. None of them had been saying much up to that point and I felt like it was a huge distraction. Kurumi was the worst in this group by a long shot, so losing him even if he was town was not a huge loss. More importantly, it kept town from focusing on him the entire rest of the day with his attention whore mentality and martyring.
Basically, I used my alignment check much like a vigi shot. Shoot into the worst of the unreadables and hope you hit red. Unfortunately, I didn't, but it was still objectively a decent move because what it did was get attention away from Kurumi and mainly on to me, where scum have a more difficult time taking a stance due to the more unsure thread sentiment regarding myself at the moment. I can now proceed to completely remove all doubt from the situation and look at who attacked me and why to make inferences about their alignment.
The "Pro gf snipe" comment was a joke on my role. Super soft should remember being the target of MZ as a dayvig after Super had just shot a mafia player. MZ made a comment just like that one as he decided to shoot super, who was town. My role, thus, only shoots people that are town. If they were mafia, it works like a detective chevk., where I receive a PM detailing their alignment. I will make it clear, after the alignment check popped up into the thread, I had zero control over the death of Kurumi. The comment was a joke. The shot was predetermined. I sure hope kita and Grey got a good laugh out of it. but you remember that MZ was scumGF back then right? Did you play in WBGs last game with marv, syllo, sandro and me? On March 11 2013 17:39 supersoft wrote:
that shot and check was completely unreasonable... This hasty usage of blue powers looks suspicious to me.
Don't really get, why marv thinks that move was good. On March 11 2013 17:55 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 17:51 yamato77 wrote:On March 11 2013 17:39 supersoft wrote:
that shot and check was completely unreasonable... This hasty usage of blue powers looks suspicious to me.
Don't really get, why marv thinks that move was good. It was not unreasonable. Perhaps, as Kurumi suggested, I could have aimed it at someone like Ver, but the risk of losing a potential town asset over the guy fucking up the thread while I was at work seemed a little too high. is your ability a one time thing or can you do it more often? wbg described the davig usage for scum on day1 quite precisely. The difference is, that wbgs dayvigs hat to ##shoot in the thread. But in general scumdayvigs shoot crazy guys who are under heavy suspicion. Kurumi was the perfect scumdayvig-target... IF you have to claim. If you don't have to claim, I think as scum you shouldnt claim... The question is: Is yamato courageous enough to do that as scum OR is he stupid enough to do that as town. Why do you assume he had no choice in the matter of killing Kurumi? If it didn't matter why was there a period in between Kurumi's reveal to town and his death?
read his post. If you trust his claim, that's how it works.
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SlOosh has my full support in the yamato matter I actually can't get rid of the feeling the guy is mafia and if he was interested in making Kurumi readable: I was pushing that matter and made him post normally before he was shot, yamato didn't help at all trying to do that he preferred to pull the trigger on a guy who seemed to be under heavy suspicion at the time.
As to marv's question why yamato claimed: Me and someone else said it was probably him after the shot cause he repeatedly announced that he would take steps against Kurumi and (I think that's how his role works cause an invisible dayvig is OP and I've only seen that in LVIII where it was so strong I had a super fun time shooting you bitches out of nowhere, good times) well, it looks to me like he doesn't mention that part of his role cause it's convenient for him since people like you argue he can't be mafia cause of that.
Any other explanation for claiming dayvig on his own is stupid, especially the way he did, cause even after the announcement where he should've known Kurumi was town, he posted in a dickish way.
And the contradiction slOosh mentioned is pretty damning looks to me like yamato is throwing reads around without really believing what he says in that case.
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I don't trust yamato's mouth. All I see, and all anyone from a town p.o.v. shoud see is that kita modconfirms Kurumi as town, and then 2 hours later modconfirmed town Kurumi gets shot.
On the most basic of levels, a town yamato means there is a role that checks someone and if they are green they get shot some time (2 hours) later. Clearly the shot did not immediately follow the check, cause if it did Kurumi would have died right then and there. I mean, you caught me with this kind of bs in bureaucracy when I pretended to be vig right? How is this claim so easily believable?
As for "is yamato a good enough scum to pull it off" - there are many experienced players in this game and it's not too hard to see some on being scum team.
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On March 12 2013 04:19 slOosh wrote:
I don't trust yamato's mouth. All I see, and all anyone from a town p.o.v. shoud see is that kita modconfirms Kurumi as town, and then 2 hours later modconfirmed town Kurumi gets shot.
On the most basic of levels, a town yamato means there is a role that checks someone and if they are green they get shot some time (2 hours) later. Clearly the shot did not immediately follow the check, cause if it did Kurumi would have died right then and there. I mean, you caught me with this kind of bs in bureaucracy when I pretended to be vig right? How is this claim so easily believable?
As for "is yamato a good enough scum to pull it off" - there are many experienced players in this game and it's not too hard to see some on being scum team.
so in your little theory yamato makes the choice to shoot the one mod-confirmed townie?
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On March 12 2013 04:18 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 04:16 cDgCorazon wrote:On March 12 2013 04:09 supersoft wrote:On March 12 2013 03:53 slOosh wrote:On March 12 2013 03:16 supersoft wrote:On March 12 2013 03:15 slOosh wrote:On March 12 2013 03:04 marvellosity wrote:
I'm certainly not giving yamato's opinions any more weight than I was previously. Is anyone else actually doing so? I don't think so. lol dude stop sidestepping yamato shot modconfirmed town Be clear with it: do you think he is town? Cause right now all you are doing is theorizing on how viable of a mafia move it is, not how scummy yamato actually is. and you should read the thread. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=281403¤tpage=75#1492how is this situation any different? 1. his role works like this: + Show Spoiler +On March 11 2013 16:49 yamato77 wrote:
First of all, my role is all inclusive. I didn't choose to reveal his alignment and then shoot him, it happens as a consequence of the person being town. So as soon as I PM'd his name as the alignment check, his fate was sealed and there was nothing I could do about it.
Why did I do it, knowing this risk? Firstly, I feel like the people roleplaying heavily, aside from perhaps Prom, deserve a good hard look. None of them had been saying much up to that point and I felt like it was a huge distraction. Kurumi was the worst in this group by a long shot, so losing him even if he was town was not a huge loss. More importantly, it kept town from focusing on him the entire rest of the day with his attention whore mentality and martyring.
Basically, I used my alignment check much like a vigi shot. Shoot into the worst of the unreadables and hope you hit red. Unfortunately, I didn't, but it was still objectively a decent move because what it did was get attention away from Kurumi and mainly on to me, where scum have a more difficult time taking a stance due to the more unsure thread sentiment regarding myself at the moment. I can now proceed to completely remove all doubt from the situation and look at who attacked me and why to make inferences about their alignment.
The "Pro gf snipe" comment was a joke on my role. Super soft should remember being the target of MZ as a dayvig after Super had just shot a mafia player. MZ made a comment just like that one as he decided to shoot super, who was town. My role, thus, only shoots people that are town. If they were mafia, it works like a detective chevk., where I receive a PM detailing their alignment. I will make it clear, after the alignment check popped up into the thread, I had zero control over the death of Kurumi. The comment was a joke. The shot was predetermined. I sure hope kita and Grey got a good laugh out of it. that means he didnt shoot the modconfirmed townie. The shot followed the check automatically. 2. I am quite suspicious of him and he won't answer the question about the WBG game + Show Spoiler +On March 11 2013 17:21 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 16:49 yamato77 wrote:
First of all, my role is all inclusive. I didn't choose to reveal his alignment and then shoot him, it happens as a consequence of the person being town. So as soon as I PM'd his name as the alignment check, his fate was sealed and there was nothing I could do about it.
Why did I do it, knowing this risk? Firstly, I feel like the people roleplaying heavily, aside from perhaps Prom, deserve a good hard look. None of them had been saying much up to that point and I felt like it was a huge distraction. Kurumi was the worst in this group by a long shot, so losing him even if he was town was not a huge loss. More importantly, it kept town from focusing on him the entire rest of the day with his attention whore mentality and martyring.
Basically, I used my alignment check much like a vigi shot. Shoot into the worst of the unreadables and hope you hit red. Unfortunately, I didn't, but it was still objectively a decent move because what it did was get attention away from Kurumi and mainly on to me, where scum have a more difficult time taking a stance due to the more unsure thread sentiment regarding myself at the moment. I can now proceed to completely remove all doubt from the situation and look at who attacked me and why to make inferences about their alignment.
The "Pro gf snipe" comment was a joke on my role. Super soft should remember being the target of MZ as a dayvig after Super had just shot a mafia player. MZ made a comment just like that one as he decided to shoot super, who was town. My role, thus, only shoots people that are town. If they were mafia, it works like a detective chevk., where I receive a PM detailing their alignment. I will make it clear, after the alignment check popped up into the thread, I had zero control over the death of Kurumi. The comment was a joke. The shot was predetermined. I sure hope kita and Grey got a good laugh out of it. but you remember that MZ was scumGF back then right? Did you play in WBGs last game with marv, syllo, sandro and me? On March 11 2013 17:39 supersoft wrote:
that shot and check was completely unreasonable... This hasty usage of blue powers looks suspicious to me.
Don't really get, why marv thinks that move was good. On March 11 2013 17:55 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 17:51 yamato77 wrote:On March 11 2013 17:39 supersoft wrote:
that shot and check was completely unreasonable... This hasty usage of blue powers looks suspicious to me.
Don't really get, why marv thinks that move was good. It was not unreasonable. Perhaps, as Kurumi suggested, I could have aimed it at someone like Ver, but the risk of losing a potential town asset over the guy fucking up the thread while I was at work seemed a little too high. is your ability a one time thing or can you do it more often? wbg described the davig usage for scum on day1 quite precisely. The difference is, that wbgs dayvigs hat to ##shoot in the thread. But in general scumdayvigs shoot crazy guys who are under heavy suspicion. Kurumi was the perfect scumdayvig-target... IF you have to claim. If you don't have to claim, I think as scum you shouldnt claim... The question is: Is yamato courageous enough to do that as scum OR is he stupid enough to do that as town. Why do you assume he had no choice in the matter of killing Kurumi? If it didn't matter why was there a period in between Kurumi's reveal to town and his death? read his post. If you trust his claim, that's how it works.
Well that's the reason I don't trust his claim. It doesn't make sense.
If he had no choice the announcement and the kill would have been in the same post. Until he died I thought that it was Kurumi's role that he could announce himself as VT. It looks like there was a choice to kill Kurumi with the knowledge that he was VT.
Was there a reason for the delay between Kurumi's reveal and his death?
@Yamato: How many shots do you have if you are telling the truth?
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On March 12 2013 04:19 slOosh wrote:
I don't trust yamato's mouth. All I see, and all anyone from a town p.o.v. shoud see is that kita modconfirms Kurumi as town, and then 2 hours later modconfirmed town Kurumi gets shot.
On the most basic of levels, a town yamato means there is a role that checks someone and if they are green they get shot some time (2 hours) later. Clearly the shot did not immediately follow the check, cause if it did Kurumi would have died right then and there. I mean, you caught me with this kind of bs in bureaucracy when I pretended to be vig right? How is this claim so easily believable?
As for "is yamato a good enough scum to pull it off" - there are many experienced players in this game and it's not too hard to see some on being scum team.
why not believe his role confirms who it shoots
no one else has popped up to claim Kitaman's toots
If no one else claims the announcement
I see no reason for your denouncement
of Yam besides that his shot was poop.
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On March 12 2013 04:16 Stutters695 wrote:
So you feel sure that WBG is scum?
Yeah. The manner in which he's returned has me all the way off the fence.
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On March 11 2013 02:51 yamato77 wrote:
Iamp let's lynch VE
On March 11 2013 03:00 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 02:55 VisceraEyes wrote:
LOL this game. Vivax maybe you can explain what about that post you didn't like? Maybe explain why it's scummy and why you want to lynch me? Yamato is just butthurt that I found him so fast, but what's your excuse? VE not reading, just lurking. Speak and he shall appear.
On March 11 2013 06:59 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 05:59 cDgCorazon wrote:
Hmmm...guess who has decided to lurk now that other targets are being hunted? Yamato and Acro...
##Vote: Yamato
Gonna start scumhunting? i'm at work you asshat it's in my filter What I will do is solve this Kurumi problem right now.
Hey Iamp let's lynch VE.
Oh Kurumi is roleplaying in a roleplaying game better shoot him over my scumread. Yeah makes sense.
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