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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On February 16 2013 00:53 sandroba wrote: @marv How confident are you that hopeless is scum? Quite confident. I'd still have my hands over my eyes at the flip, though. In any case, this recent burst of posting has made me think you're more likely town, while I don't get syllo at all. I'd lynch Toad with you if you're confident. I won't lynch outside of these 2 players. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
On February 14 2013 09:42 WeWinMafia wrote: I actually prepared a couple of trademark traits pregame to toss around d1 so that I can claim whoever I want to claim later on if I feel like it. Claiming Sandro for example was the reason for picking this particular nick but as he joined the game there's no way I'll be using that one, so no problem telling you guys. Have fun guessing. Seems like a weird claim since Syllo joined, but he could've meant that it was a possibility if both syllo and sandro weren't in the game. However, it clutters up the thread and provides no meaningful information yet it can derail the thread in a discussion about this topic. On February 15 2013 01:18 WeWinMafia wrote: sure, here you go: Not outrageous but people trolling each other. Usually that kind of stuff attracts new guys and they ask what's going on, just like Grush thought it would happen. a (supposedly?) random vote done by Zess 30 minutes into the game. Again, something people usually talk about early on if they don't know the guy who's proposing it. Again Zess and me trolling each other when there's nothing in the thread yet. I replied with utter bullshit and he replied with utter bullshit to my bullshit. Got to admit I was laughing pretty good around that time especially when I saw Coags smurf comment. So that's why I wanted him to explain. From my point of view we had a bunch of people trolling each other, not being serious, except for risk who got in the thread defending himself because of a random (?) vote on him by some nobody noone was taking serious anyways. So if anything I would have expected grush to say something along the lines of "weird that noone's picking up on those things" rather than have him state that none of those things exist, which made me think he's either not reading or taking everything serious. When he answered the laya/risk-question I realized that I asked grush that question and that I'm not going to get anything useful out of him anyways so I ignored him. I thought he might answer seriously because I considered risk's behavior early on to be overdefensive for no reason and grush had him down as one of the two guys to lynch as well so I assumed he in serious mode. Large ball of fluff giving very little information. On February 15 2013 03:32 WeWinMafia wrote: just because you don't know how to properly mason doesn't mean noone else does... You're making it almost look like you want to treat claimed masons as confirmed town when there is no reason to do such a thing in a closed set-up. ESPECIALLY with you telling people we want them claimed it's a good move for mafia and there's plenty other ways to deal with masons: Force them to do what I did last time I rolled mason. Don't let people get away with masoning people like Grush or Vivax d1 and expect people to mason people like Sandro / Syllo / Marv if there are masons to begin with. Mafias usually are to afraid to mason people like that and if they do it nevertheless who cares, plently of time for strong people to figure them out in pm-land. A planned mason claim just adds chaos for no gain at all... Correct, but again, more setup talk and nothing regarding alignments yet. Something he also did in the game I hosted where he hydra'd with I believe Marv. Kept talking about the setup with little scumhunting being done, but doing just enough so people presumed he was town. On February 15 2013 03:50 WeWinMafia wrote: It's really hard to play this game if it's just the two of us and Marv tossing in a useless oneliner inbetween every now and then... Marvs filter looks pretty atrocious right now: ##vote marvellosity I'm off getting myself something to eat because my Schnitzel just turned into a junk of black coal. So I've got to go to McD again. I'm expecting something by the time I'm back Vote with no justification other than "filter looks atrocious", no case or anything. Wants other people to do his dirty work. On February 15 2013 06:48 WeWinMafia wrote: funny how we have Coag, marv, Syllo, Sandro and layabout pretty much ignoring the thread right now and grush is totally fine with it. I get that a lot of those people are usually quiet early on but the thread is dead as already pointed out... But whatever, yes I'm talking out of my ass and Zess is apparently doing the same hoping we get some activity here somehow. Won't keep on pretending like anyone is interested in talking if noone is... So see you around midnight, probably will be done around that time. Claims to be active, but all his posts pretty much consist of fluff, including this one. On February 15 2013 07:48 WeWinMafia wrote: So just to get this straight: I ask you to do something Marv, you basicly tell me to shut the fuck up in an agressive manner because it's how you usually play d1 (agree) and proceed to tackle coag nontheless after people just delurked? I'm totally fine with what you just said but that in combination with the timing makes your "shut up I do what I want"-post really overagressive. Odd to say the least. Just a funny coincidence you only now realized Coag looks bad or did that have something to do with my plea to come up with something yourself? It makes no sense unless you felt like you should do something imo. Emphasize on "should". More interested in confrontation rather than helping town further. Yeah, I don't like toad. His posts are full of fluff and wants other people to do his work. He talks more about setup then anything else, and claims to be active while not actually saying anything. That said, there is a careless aura about him that makes me wonder. Nevertheless.. ##Unvote ##Vote: WeWinMafia | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
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WeWinMafia
Bahamas102 Posts
On February 15 2013 23:04 Zessionar wrote: Okay, we have about 9 hours left if i am correct: 2. ObviousOne Filter 4. Mattchew Filter 7. HiroPro Filter 10. Hopeless1der Filter 11. Artanis[Xp] Filter 13. yamato77 Filter 14. grush57 Filter 15. layabout Filter [...]. The four I bolded are the ones we should be looking into imo. Only got out of my bed just now (lol  ) so haven't done a thing yet. Yamato definitly posts less and is less "in your face" than what he is when he rolled town the last 2 games. Marv mentioned he's playing in another game, so if that's true that might be it but I have to look into that one...that just strikes as odd after he failed so miserable as mafia because he had no time to time. I would have thought he learned his lesson to not play too many games at once no matter of alignment :pHe's also posting a bit more than he did in my game (when he rolled mafia) but in the end I'd say him trying to improve his mafiaplay is the more reasonable assumption than him playing worse than his usual town, even with what Marv said. That being said I can understand how he got votes. That being said it was weird when Marv announced that he thinks hopeless is the weirdest out of these people. That being said reasoning given by people who don't know him is mostly not alignment indicative at all, like the 2nd part of what Laya posted when voted, so he got votes for all the wrong reasons imo. Trying to figure this out. I'd say we focus on these 4 and I'm trying to re-read some. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
On February 16 2013 01:04 sandroba wrote: @syllo any thoughts on hopeless? Do you think the phrase construction stuff stands and is relevant? I don't know him well and the filters don't immediately jump at me as different. He has used a bit more qualifiers than he did as town in mario, that's about all I can say so far. It may be relevant, but I'm not convinced as of now. | ||
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Zessionar
Azerbaijan178 Posts
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Vivax
21682 Posts
He took a lot of effort in LIX to try and lead town towards the lynch along with marv even when no one was in the thread, here he complained about activity and said he doesn't feel arsed to post when no one else is. Given their interactions I could even see him be in team with SS. SS didn't include him in the list but said he found some things suspicious when asked about Toad (and he didn't answer to me but he answered to Sandro, looks like he's only interested to share thoughts when he feels threatened) | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
Marv, syllo and Sandroba what do you think of this? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
On February 15 2013 14:06 Coagulation wrote: that would make sense if you hadnt of made it a point to notify the thread you know who he is. w/e you either believe me or you don't. i don't understand at all what you or artanis think my motivation would be as mafia to even say that i recognized him if my intention was to hide information from town. I don't agree with marvel's case on hopeless. I'm not sure why he picked mario mafia to look at because hopeless played in LVIII and he had a very strange opening in that game with his going on about policy lynching in the beginning. His thing about super going after risk seems very similar to me. Also, I don't think he would be so insistent in badgering marv about making a case if he was mafia. | ||
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Vivax
21682 Posts
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
On February 16 2013 01:17 Mattchew wrote: i think that artanis is asking a lot of questions without drawing a ton of actual conclusions. He is also commenting a lot on the general play of individuals and the overal game instead of focusing on what I would consider scum hunting. He is blending in really well IMO. Marv, syllo and Sandroba what do you think of this? How am I asking a lot of questions? I asked one to Sandro, for the rest I've analyzed a bunch of cases. I just don't think any of them are that strong. Strongest being on Toad so far for posting a bunch of fluff, but I've only seen Toad in scum games so I don't know if he does it as Town. My conclusion from analyzing the filters is that Toad is scummiest so far, so I voted for him. As for yourself, why haven't you been contributing? You've been asking more questions then I have and drawing even less conclusions, plus literally no scumhunting, unless you count questions which you just accused me of as trying to blend in. | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
OK i just read your case on hopeless. He is using weak language and I agree with the facts you presented to draw your conclusions. I would like you to expand on why your ok with artanis @vivax Currently toad and zess are sitting neutral to me, neither are more lynchworthy than hopeless (marv's case), artanis (my thoughts), or grush (just cause, grush.) Oo I havent read | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On February 16 2013 01:20 HiroPro wrote: w/e you either believe me or you don't. i don't understand at all what you or artanis think my motivation would be as mafia to even say that i recognized him if my intention was to hide information from town. I don't agree with marvel's case on hopeless. I'm not sure why he picked mario mafia to look at because hopeless played in LVIII and he had a very strange opening in that game with his going on about policy lynching in the beginning. His thing about super going after risk seems very similar to me. Also, I don't think he would be so insistent in badgering marv about making a case if he was mafia. I chose mario because it's a mini, unlike LVIII. I also disagree that he was particularly 'insistent'. Actually it's natural for either a town or a mafia player would want to know if i was making a case on him. | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
On February 16 2013 01:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote: How am I asking a lot of questions? I asked one to Sandro, for the rest I've analyzed a bunch of cases. I just don't think any of them are that strong. Strongest being on Toad so far for posting a bunch of fluff, but I've only seen Toad in scum games so I don't know if he does it as Town. My conclusion from analyzing the filters is that Toad is scummiest so far, so I voted for him. As for yourself, why haven't you been contributing? You've been asking more questions then I have and drawing even less conclusions, plus literally no scumhunting, unless you count questions which you just accused me of as trying to blend in. I haven't been contributing because I have had nothing insightful, new, or postworthy to post and I only get pockets of time to post so it is hard for me to be conversational with people when I am posting from a phone and only can look every so often | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On February 16 2013 01:24 Mattchew wrote: @marv OK i just read your case on hopeless. He is using weak language and I agree with the facts you presented to draw your conclusions. I would like you to expand on why your ok with artanis @vivax Currently toad and zess are sitting neutral to me, neither are more lynchworthy than hopeless (marv's case), artanis (my thoughts), or grush (just cause, grush.) Oo I havent read seems interested, asking questions, making some analysis. Vote is jumping around quite a bit too, usually mafia don't do that so much. | ||
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WeWinMafia
Bahamas102 Posts
On February 16 2013 00:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Toad 1) Seems like a weird claim since Syllo joined, but he could've meant that it was a possibility if both syllo and sandro weren't in the game. However, it clutters up the thread and provides no meaningful information yet it can derail the thread in a discussion about this topic. 2) Large ball of fluff giving very little information. 3) Correct, but again, more setup talk and nothing regarding alignments yet. Something he also did in the game I hosted where he hydra'd with I believe Marv. Kept talking about the setup with little scumhunting being done, but doing just enough so people presumed he was town. 4) Vote with no justification other than "filter looks atrocious", no case or anything. Wants other people to do his dirty work. 5) Claims to be active, but all his posts pretty much consist of fluff, including this one. More interested in confrontation rather than helping town further. Yeah, I don't like toad. His posts are full of fluff and wants other people to do his work. He talks more about setup then anything else, and claims to be active while not actually saying anything. That said, there is a careless aura about him that makes me wonder. Nevertheless.. ##Unvote ##Vote: WeWinMafia 1) Sry as mentioned it's the first time I'm smurfing. I made something up to keep the show running instead of just giving in because again, I smurfed because I wanted to smurf once and that's all there is to it. 2) How is that fluff. Sandro asked me to be more specific about it and I got more specific about it. Yes it's nothing alignment indicating I'm mentioning because I pointed out things that could have been odd but didn't end up being odd. That's because I was asked to... 3) Zess was pushing for a mason claim. I thought it's a bad idea. You think I should have ignored it? Of course I'm going to tell him I don't claims if he wants something as drastical as claims on d1. 4) It's called a pressure vote because again, he did nothing but oneliners up to that point and I wanted him to start doing something. It worked out I might add. 5 Idk, not much to say here other than that I disagree. Yes I post some fluff, probably more than most people. No I don't consider everything in my filter fluff like you make it out to be. You'll find that to be true in every single game I play. I usually do bullshit on d1 on purpose to get some conversations going even if that means it's on the back of me and I did get some criticism for it postgame sometimes but I still think it's the best to do if town is sleeping. You can't get content out of thin air, you have to start somewhere and that's how I do it. | ||
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Zessionar
Azerbaijan178 Posts
On February 15 2013 01:18 WeWinMafia wrote: Again Zess and me trolling each other when there's nothing in the thread yet. I replied with utter bullshit and he replied with utter bullshit to my bullshit. Got to admit I was laughing pretty good around that time especially when I saw Coags smurf comment. what if i told you that i wasn't joking back then and this statement confused me? thoughts? | ||
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Vivax
21682 Posts
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
On February 16 2013 01:24 marvellosity wrote: I chose mario because it's a mini, unlike LVIII. I also disagree that he was particularly 'insistent'. Actually it's natural for either a town or a mafia player would want to know if i was making a case on him. Right but LVIII is more recent and the opening situation is much more similar to this game in my opinion. Do you not feel the same way? Like the beginning of Mario from what I see is just very casual in general. It seems natural that he would post in a more casual manner there. | ||
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