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marvellosity
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marvellosity
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I'm not at all sure Vivax is town. He's not actually *pushing* anything. I know I told him that I'd pull him up on his crazy shit earlier, but all he's done is thrown down a joke vote on yamato, and kinda-but-not-really pushed Zessionar and fucked off. I don't like it. | ||
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Vivax
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
Nice delurk, btw. | ||
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Vivax
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
On February 16 2013 03:04 Vivax wrote: Thanks, I'm glad you liked it. I think you might well be mafia  ##Unvote ##Vote: Vivax | ||
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Zessionar
Azerbaijan178 Posts
Toad is kind of scummy, he might be a good lynch but well, day1 went as it went, and i refuse to lynch players with more than one filter :-o risk.nuke, you might wanna post something here again... you're still playing right? | ||
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Zessionar
Azerbaijan178 Posts
but sadly he plays like this as town, therefor we have to carry him around with us until we get shot. If one thing is 100% sure in this game, it is the fact that scum won't do us the huge favour to kill him... | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
##Unvote: Yamato77 ##Vote: Zessionar Here's why I find his initial vote, and the follow-ups scummy: On February 14 2013 07:38 Zessionar wrote: ##vote: risk.nuke he has a 26,66 % chance to flip scum. Its not supposed to be random (I Think?), but theres still a statistic there. Also, that statistic is NOT 4/16 like it should be, its 4/15, which assumes Zess is town. (Super)soft townclaim People assume it was a joke, yet its followed up by: On February 14 2013 08:41 Zessionar wrote: i picked risk.nuke, because he's decent as scum and useless and paranoid as town... if he's town, i hope he'll prove me wrong this game... When I have the audacity to be like "wtf u doin bro?" On February 14 2013 08:46 Hopeless1der wrote: ... And I kind of just left it to see if anyone else gave a shit. I don't buy that it was a complete joke, which is why I brought it back up later. I asked him how exaggerated things were, and he replied: On February 14 2013 22:32 Zessionar wrote: both statements were exagerated, but I know what I am talking about. Still alluding to the notion that he has reasoning for his "joke" vote. It's not like I'm not the only person who voiced concern about this either: On February 15 2013 00:34 marvellosity wrote: one other thing. clearly you have no idea what you're talking about. if people call you up on your bs, going "but... i'm right" funnily enough doesn't make you right. I don't think you're mafia right now, but don't pretend to be something or somebody that you're not. On February 15 2013 00:40 Zessionar wrote: lol marv, are you insane? His response to marv, regarding risk being "decent scum" is complete bullshit. Why would a townie ever fabricate that? Am I actually that dense that I completely missed the humor here? There seemed to be little if any reason for jollies. He finally "explains" his vote...+ Show Spoiler + On February 15 2013 00:58 Zessionar wrote: hahaha, i just wanted to say something nice along with useless and paranoid... quite perceptive... yeah i dont think so. risk used to be like vivax. he didnt read, but kept posting derailing stuff. And his explanation is called out as nonsense: + Show Spoiler + On February 15 2013 01:00 marvellosity wrote: So... you voted for him because you think he's bad at town and bad at mafia? That makes no sense If he's bad at mafia then he's catchable, and your entire reasoning is nonsense. Come clean please On February 15 2013 01:03 Zessionar wrote: where are you going with that shit, marv? do you want to make me look bad because of my super-earlygame posts? screw you. discussion ends right here. and he moves to just sweep it riiight under the rug. This ends why I find his initial vote scummy Moving right along, Zess comes in with this fantastic plan: On February 15 2013 02:18 Zessionar wrote: Another topic: Masons, claim! No, wait not that one...that ended in burgers. On February 15 2013 04:32 Zessionar wrote: and get your useless votes away from me. i am town and i - in contrast to everyone who voted me - will be able to prove that with my reads. This one? hmmm maybe not. On February 15 2013 23:04 Zessionar wrote: Okay, we have about 9 hours left if i am correct: 2. ObviousOne Filter 4. Mattchew Filter 7. HiroPro Filter 10. Hopeless1der Filter 11. Artanis[Xp] Filter 13. yamato77 Filter 14. grush57 Filter 15. layabout Filter in the next 5 hours, i want everyone to focus on these players. I know it's half of the players in this game. One of them will be lynched today. in 5 hours, we will break the list down to 4 of them and in 7 hours i want only 2 of them left and in 8 hours, i want to have one guy with enough votes for a lynch. that's my plan. Marv, toad I expect you to be helping me there. Oh here's the one. Wait, this is shit too, wtf is going on here? This "plan" has no justification as being useful or necessary. It also lets Zessionar just sheep into the town's choices since it was his list to begin with. I don't need to be corralled into consolidation. Do you? Consider his "speed" analysis': + Show Spoiler + On February 15 2013 23:34 Zessionar wrote: 2. ObviousOne Filter: 1 page this game http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397206&user=263107 old VT day1 game http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359836&user=263107 he's really only trolling this game. He was playing much more serious in his last game. either blue or scum. makes no sense as VT - trolling newbie players that are VT are definetely playing against their wincondition. He stays in the lynchlist. 4. Mattchew Filter: 1 page Vivax I think I underestimated your actual abilities and underestimated your confidence... These lead to a misguided read on you... I don't necessarily agree with how you've started this game but I'm leaning a little more null on you... Revealing supersoft is pretty towny IMO too. "is pretty townie" i'd like to hear why this is pretty townie tbh. I don't know why he's buddying up with vivax. Mattchews playstyle makes no sense to me so far. He has no goal... But well could be game specific... He should stay in the lynchlist for now 7. HiroPro Filter: 1 page "Also I demand that marvellosity share who this person he wanted to lynch in the beginning was." This is kind of townish. As scum i don't really want to remind marv of his secret target... I'd let him off the hook for today :-/ I mean his mostcount surely looks terrible but everyones post count looks terrible... 10. Hopeless1der Filter the whole discussion about my game-starter-vote on risk seems to be so exagerated from my point of view... I think it was obvious, that this vote had almost no deeper meaning... Maybe it's my fault that people put too much thinking into this... I think accusing me for that randomvote was the perfect situation for scum to look like contributing. don't know if hopeless is just bad and didnt see how unimportant that whole thing was, or i am bad that i put too much effort into explaining something, that had no explanation in the first place or he's scum... "I voted for you because I find YOU suspicious, and I felt Vivax was going to jump all over me for not voting because he's pigheaded that way." hmmm i don't like that very much... it's so weak. These votes on me are just terrible. I if you're town and you want to win, you don't want to lynch me. That's just dumb. Everyone who does a little research knows, that i get shot early as town... but whatever. It's just sad, that many players do no research about their favourite lynchcandidate. I mean a bad case should be a scumtell, because a townie that wants to win is either honest and says he didnt do his homework or he fucking does his homework and doesnt come up with terrible cases. __________________________________________________ first four players... speedanalysis... He very quickly dismissed HiroPro. Why not do this beforehand? He barely even reaches a conclusion about me, but there's a problem in there too: On February 15 2013 23:34 Zessionar wrote: I if you're town and you want to win, you don't want to lynch me. That's just dumb. Everyone who does a little research knows, that i get shot early as town... but whatever. It's just sad, that many players do no research about their favourite lynchcandidate. I mean a bad case should be a scumtell, because a townie that wants to win is either honest and says he didnt do his homework or he fucking does his homework and doesnt come up with terrible cases. I don't give two shits about you getting shot early, ESPECIALLY in a game with marvellosity, sandroba and syllogism as your competition for the "who eats the first bullet" contest. Trying to pass this off as conclusive proof of township, or at least unlynchability is in my eyes a very scummy manoeuvre to belittle his attackers. A brief interlude into meta, from Dessert Mini Mafia: On January 13 2013 09:28 supersoft wrote: Okay announcement: Don't talk about pointless SHIT!!! scum loves to talk about pointless stuff. Do when the game is over. Right now we're playing the game and we're not in some kind of off-topic thread! FOCUS!!! Don't let this game end in a mess like the Kurumi game! Pointless shit, say for example: mccurrywurst? I don't see useful contributions coming out of Zessionar. His vote is no where to be found, and I have no idea where its going either: On February 15 2013 16:58 Zessionar wrote: You need like one page of text for your argument which is: Zess is throwing around votes for no reason, that leads to an environment where everyone votes for no reason. But I really only did it very early on, where votes obviously mean almost nothing. And I did it to get the game going. The phase of fooling around, to get the game going is over now. ##unvote and hell yes i am noncomittal because it's fucking day1 and i have enough time left to take a stance. If I want to lynch marv or anyone else, you will notice and i won't vote anyone (from now on) for no damn good reason. your case against me is completely pointless, because all that doesnt make me scummy. However, if you were to skim Dessert, where he's so proud to have caught the 3rd-party SK, he has no problem whatsoever in telling people they're scum, check if you don't believe me. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=392955&user=64722¤tpage=All Limited source, but there are some similarities between that filter and EmileZola's filter (WBG+SS Smurf-Hydra) in Normal IV: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=394344&user=296899¤tpage=All Especially the lists of reads, and the overall aggressiveness, which is something sandroba picked up on already in this game. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
On February 16 2013 03:10 Zessionar wrote: i want to lynch vivax, because he's the most annoying person in this game, everything he posts is either just wrong or exagerated. His reads are paranoid, he completely refuses to listen to logic and he's overall disturbing... but sadly he plays like this as town, therefor we have to carry him around with us until we get shot. If one thing is 100% sure in this game, it is the fact that scum won't do us the huge favour to kill him... No, I completely disagree with you. Here's why. As town he pushes his reads. HARD. For good, or for bad. Usually for bad, but hey. Maybe he learnt not to be a madman after LIX, right? But still, he would push his lynch. In this game he doesn't push his reads. His read is you. He comes in - makes a couple of posts about it, then leaves. He then responds within 5 minutes to me calling him out, even though there's been plenty of other stuff in the thread. He's not trying to get you lynched. If he was town, he would be trying to get you lynched. As mafia, he's happy to call you mafia, and then go away and let the rest of town argue about yamato/Hopeless/whoever | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
On February 16 2013 03:12 Hopeless1der wrote: A brief interlude into meta, from Dessert Mini Mafia: Pointless shit, say for example: mccurrywurst? Hi Hopeless. I like this bit a lot. | ||
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Vivax
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Zessionar
Azerbaijan178 Posts
did i sheep anyone yet? you're the second retard who accuses me for setting up a situation where i will be able to sheep someone. However I haven't sheeped anyone yet. I never sheep my vote. the rest is complete bullshit. you're comparing games, that cannot be compared. you're comparing earlygames that cannot at all be compared and your case is shit, because i am town, your case is shit because you have not one point where you really disagree with me you cannot explain why my proposed plan/list was bad for the town at that point of time, when the thread basically was dead. You don't disagree with any point on my speedanalysis you don't disagree on my plan to let the masons claim you don't disagree with my support for syllos point on marv, you don't disagree with my stance towards toad. you're basically just comparing the look of my posts, from two completely different games. why don't you compare my scumgame to this game here? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
On February 16 2013 03:23 Vivax wrote: Marv, did I or didn't I write a case against Zess? yup, then you fucked off. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
On February 16 2013 03:24 Zessionar wrote: "It also lets Zessionar just sheep into the town's choices" did i sheep anyone yet? you're the second retard who accuses me for setting up a situation where i will be able to sheep someone. However I haven't sheeped anyone yet. I never sheep my vote. the rest is complete bullshit. you're comparing games, that cannot be compared. you're comparing earlygames that cannot at all be compared and your case is shit, because i am town, your case is shit because you have not one point where you really disagree with me you cannot explain why my proposed plan/list was bad for the town at that point of time, when the thread basically was dead. You don't disagree with any point on my speedanalysis you don't disagree on my plan to let the masons claim you don't disagree with my support for syllos point on marv, you don't disagree with my stance towards toad. you're basically just comparing the look of my posts, from two completely different games. why don't you compare my scumgame to this game here? why don't you answer why, as town, you told the rest of town very firmly not to talk about pointless shit, yet you happily indulged in it here? | ||
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Vivax
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Vivax
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Comment on it then. Tell me why you're not interested in lynching Zess. | ||
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Zessionar
Azerbaijan178 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
On February 16 2013 03:26 Vivax wrote: Comment on it then. Tell me why you're not interested in lynching Zess. The question isn't why I want to lynch Zess, the question is why are you only asking me about it now after I called you out for it, and not before? | ||
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Zessionar
Azerbaijan178 Posts
i want to see your stuff right now. I cannot let you pass with that shit. ##vote marvellosity | ||
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