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On January 21 2013 18:18 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 17:50 Oatsmaster wrote:EBWOP: Fucked up the formatting. On January 21 2013 13:41 gonzaw wrote:
Hey Guys, Im not running for mayor cause Im not retarded and it makes me feel sad when I dont get votes. So I wont.
Your some random smurf, regardless, what sandro said was that he would be gone for 15 hours. So you need to fucking read the thread.
I want to communicate that I am a good candidate for mayor too.
Every post of his has this "I don't give a fuck" attitude. He shows unnecessary aggression at anything at all, from random people posting to people accusing him, to even abstract concepts like a mayor election itself.
Examples of that are the bolded bits for instance. That kind of aggression comes out of nowhere and is completely unnecessary, and it serves no purpose other than showing everybody you are the "boss" or something.
I can't really see town motivation behind that.
I wouldn't mind lynching him, as I wouldn't mind lynching Stutters.
Stutters hasn't shown up yet, specially with his "catching up" post; which doesn't make things any easier.
I'm still having trouble reading sandro, now that he came back he seems way too lazy, even for a scum sandro (as I remember from Liar Game). First bolded, how is that aggressive? Looks like you are nitpicking on my opening post. Second Bolded, I was reacting to 5touch who was pissing me off. 3rd Bolded, Vivax said that, not me. read the whole post in context so you actually find scum and not town. Seriously.. your BBCode is more fucked than Axle.. you did the same thing last game. When you quote, you remove the name, and assume people will know who your talking about. Fuck me, the bolded part is under "gonzaw" but YOU ARE ONE who said it.. ffs
BTW Guess what Mocsta when you write complex things it gets complex... its called irreducible complexity in math. When you quote quote quotes, and refer to just bits of whats buried inside it gets complex especially when there are several references.
try diggin deeper the quoting was pretty fucking deep by the time he tried to straighten out who said what when.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17585763
The red words in Oats post were By posted by Vivax originally Oats commented on Vivaxs words and was little unclear but the word VIvax was there... Right above where Oats wrote Vivaxs words.
When Oats post got quoted in full, the words that Vivax said were highlighted and discussed as if Oats said them, that is as I understood/read what happened.
I know that was the effect because I got suckered by the bolding and posted my mislead opinions here.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17585955
and in my mind at that time the words were attributed to Oats as the misleading highlighting and comments directed me to see.
BUT Hey what the fuck do I know, When I check what I said, I remembered it wrong, my spider senses apparently kicked in and i was not quite deceived, I prevaricated. I said:
"I see grains of truth in what you say... "to even abstract concepts like a mayor election itself.", Id have to check but Oats aggression is to my mind usually people focused and conflict motivated. are you not oversaucing the pudding(exaggerating) things a bit?"
So yeah I still dont see oats as anything but knee jerk aggressive when he perceives people getting in his face. He seems particularly unhappy with vets having what he perceives as free buddy buddy passes with old friends
"Hey,Toad why are you so concerned about voting a vet as Mayor? Can you read all the vets in this game? "
That smells like very legitimate concern, well it would to me if I wasn't vet, and hey i am not.
I don't see IDGAF about the mayor, I see IDAGAF about the vets supposed presumed superiority in all things townie.
Note the distinction as the vets have the same chance of rolling scum as the rest of us.
I see legitimate paranoia, hell I am slowly convincing myself he shares my concerns that it may be all well and good for the vets to want a mayor they know is town. But when they get nkd I want mayor who I can read and tell they are town.
Those 3 votes really really do mess with LYLO, I have not counted it right because well IDGAF(I do but I am grumpy and not sure i know how with the KP thing) but I am reasonably sure the existence of mayor if they were scum Mayor makes LYLO creep up by one mislynch and wed never know until it was too late. I like surprises but not that kind.
So IDGAF about reputations for kick arse Reads, as much as one might first think, kick arse read mayors come with a price tag .
I really want Mayor that I of my own skill
and their determination to communicate effectively and not dismissively and derisively communicate their intentions with me.
As a veritable .... that is not common commodity that i have seen so far.
Twiddles thumbs in the corner some more. Hums to self.
Is he scum ? I dont know. Is what was said to make a meta case (of sorts) on him, not as far as I can tell. Dont Like Lies.
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Axle.
What you extrapolate specifically what I am "oversaucing" when it comes to aggression?
Considering i put forth the hypothesis of vet syndrome, I don't really know what you are implying here.
And why are you even talking about LYLO.. its Day 1...
and lastly.. "dont like lies".. what is the lie?
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I'm torn on this game at the moment.
On one hand, I think I am confirming my own bias when it comes to Toad's play this game.
On the other, he keeps doing shit I want to call him scum for.
I would really rather see him just die so I can begin to understand this game a bit better.
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Moctsa: What you extrapolate specifically what I am "oversaucing" when it comes to aggression?
Sorry the majority of the post was not specifically addressing what you did or explicitly just posted.
It addressed some what I will call "verbal-ling" of oats where Oats was identified as saying things he simply did not.
I tired not to quote mine the person who did it as I perceived it as not manipulative but conformation bias and
seeing what they wanted to. Fuck I dont know, it was Gonzaw who seemingly quoted Oats with bad bolding that implied attribution that was imply untrue.
Moctsa: Considering i put forth the hypothesis of vet syndrome, I don't really know what you are implying here.
If you cant work out where/what i am referring to dont worry to much Oats also has been saying similar sounding things apparently about the "vet syndrome",
If I understand what you mean by "vet Syndrome", Which i am interpreting to be a conformation bias about them where people in our position(noobs) assume they are town because the alternative is too ghastly? I suspect that for those in the vet club it is also easy to see it as us and them and the vets thus get a townie edge from themselves. All the vets have to do to lynch the weaker players is claim its not possible to be that bad.
There is in the next point larger long term problem in that it might be Ok for today for the vets to elect mayor they think is town but if they then leave us with a mayor after they get nkd and we have no way to continue to check their towniness with D2 & D3 information, then that effectively bet the farm of the vets D1 read of the one they wanted for mayor, but we inherited.
Moctsa: And why are you even talking about LYLO.. its Day 1...
Well because it is a game and it ends when we eliminate the last scum. In the close games that is at LYLO.
When is LYLO? In most games I have seen it is balanced such that the mislynch rate is about X, where primarily I see that town need every second Lynch to be scum to squeak home.
When we have mayor that changes stuff a LOT
7 Players 4 Town 3 Scum is normally LYLO, (when there is no mayor)
but if the MAYOR is scum 5 Town 2 ScumMayor Is Lylo, If town mislynch in that case your dead.
To not start auto lynching the mayor at that end of the game requires great trust in your town read on the mayor.
Will we have that if one of the unreadable vets is elected. Also i point out unreadable to who is important.
it is the people who will be alive in the game then. That is likely not the other vets, that likely not the Vig kill Lurker fodder
Mocsta: and lastly.. "dont like lies".. what is the lie?
The lie was implicitly quoting Oats attributing words to him that were actually said by Vivax.
it was as fact an improper implication that did fool me and so I got grumpy
Thanks for asking, rather than propagating the crap by assuming my Grumpiness was at you...
perhaps there are lessons there for other people.
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EBWOP: Add as preamble: The majority of the post addresses thing in the post you quoted but I replid to you as you also missed that Oats was as fact being miquoted.
True he failed to put it ll back but seeing as he started from a misquoted badly attributed source that was little hard.
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Axle.
You say Vivax intentionally lied about Oats quotes.
(Some of) The vets say Vivax is town.
Where does Vivax lie for you? (pun intended) -i.e. Is Vivax a scum or town read for you?
If he is scummish in nature, I would like to see you pressure him for information.
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yamato, you need to listen to what I have to say without being defensive. From the manner of your posting, and your difficulties as scum last game, I consider it likely you are town this game.
On January 21 2013 21:24 yamato77 wrote:
I'm torn on this game at the moment.
On one hand, I think I am confirming my own bias when it comes to Toad's play this game.
On the other, he keeps doing shit I want to call him scum for.
I would really rather see him just die so I can begin to understand this game a bit better.
It's good, at least, that you recognise your own confirmation bias with regards to Toad. Mostly your issues with Toad's play come down to the fact that you don't agree with plenty of things he has said, and you heavily dislike his delivery, which you see as condescending or antagonistic. These are not good reasons to think somebody is mafia. So take a step back and reassess; in LVIII you tunneled an active player constantly, right up to the moment he flipped town.
This is not a game of veterans vs newer players. It's town vs mafia. If the veterans are not communicating effectively, then they/we need to work on that, but in a similar vein, the newer players need to listen to what we have to say, because we have a lot of experience.
On January 21 2013 13:05 yamato77 wrote:
I'd be most willing to give WBG a pass because I know him quite well by now and I don't think it's alignment indicative that he wants to lynch people I would call Lynchbait.
I would say it is for Sandroba, and this Fivetouch character who apparently wants to be taken seriously.
This post (and similar ones you have made) demonstrate a faulty, destructive mindset. You were in the last game where mafia lurked and twiddled their thumbs while watching town burn themselves to the ground. But you are pushing the idea that lurkers are "lynch-bait", which is effectively a statement of intent that you will protect lurkers on this basis, and go after more 'active' players. So it's a direct encouragement to lurk for mafia. Incidentally Mocsta looks better to me now for picking up on this himself.
The case on prplhz is not merely that he's lurking (else we could apply this to various others). The case is that he entered the thread pushing a policy idea he's said he hates as town, the case is that he came in trolling which he only does as mafia and not as town, the case is that he's posting little and not encouraging others to post like he does as town, the case is that his only major post yesterday was ranting at bugs and not caring about town or the mayor, or a lynch. His attitude so far is mafia-oriented, and this is backed up by his history.
Further, you seem to agree with my Oats read. What exactly is the problem we're having?
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so fivetouch, who are you? they say you are a smurf but i must have missed this
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@ Yamato
Dude, if you are town (which I kinda doubt cause you promised self-improvement last time I saw you somewhere else):
You have 4 pages of filter of which a lot of posts are aggressive, low content spam.
You aren't achieving anything but calling candidates bad without pushing your own preferences.
Your posts aren't consolidated, and you disregard the opinions of 4 vets. In light of your overconfidence you are aware of you should actually use them properly.
@ debears
Me and Toad aren't the scum you're looking for. Yamato might be but it's still early. Djo is..an interesting choice.
I like your play so far. Don't underestimate me in this game though, I'm asking you to vote me into a seat.
@ gonzaw
There are questions directed at you in my filter that you still have to answer.
I don't care if you think I'm town, I'm not voting for you. And I know you won't be voting for me.
@ Toad
I really appreciate your contributions in the latest pages that appeared since I posted last. Knowing that you support me and FT, I can trust into you being working for town.
I would appreciate however if you didn't refer to me as stupid or idiot.
You never know who's sitting behind the keyboard, and you don't take into account how fast I can improve.
I think my strategies and reads have improved a lot lately. I don't have as much experience as others in this forum, don't draw conclusions about my intelligence or ability to learn then.
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Regarding the discussion about my candidacy post: It was a good way to waste time in the last pages.
If you want to know, I started writing that post after I got my role pm.
But I can't prove it and it doesn't even matter. Look at my other play.
How I push my candidacy doesn't matter either. You know I want to be elected, and when I don't constantly spam that it doesn't mean I don't want it any more.
I pressured JX, Djo, gonzaw and yamato into giving out information in a way that breaks their usual posting style. Specific information.
I managed to get yamato very worked up to the point where he started replying in a subjectively quite scummy way.
Same goes for JX who replied to me with rather big delays, compared to the content he posted in that long time he needed to make the posts.
I am working pro-information, and I'm not sticking endlessly to the same target. I'm active, and I post transparently. Although I'm not giving you out all my reads, yet.
You will absolutely not regret me being elected.
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Ok After reading what I think are the major candidates filter,
Im ignoring campaign posts cause pregame writeups and stuff are non alignment indicative
Gonzaw:
Posts irrelevent stuff about coming back to the thread
On January 21 2013 05:13 gonzaw wrote:
Okay I'm here. I'm reading the thread now, will come back shortly
On January 21 2013 11:20 gonzaw wrote:
Okay got home. Nice to see some activity since then.
I'll get around to posting in a moment after I get some shit done.
I dont see the point as town, as scum, you look like you are gonna do stuff but if no one calls you out for it, easy stuff to do.
And this, as far as I can remember, nothing changed between
On January 21 2013 13:48 gonzaw wrote:
I don't really agree with a prplhz lynch this D1 though.
It seems like his normal play, and I don't think there's much to go on to be sure he's scum this game. He's not the paragon of townieness but I don't remember him being so in any town game from his (granted I only obsed games he played, I don't remember playing with him I think).
There are better candidates out there.
and
On January 21 2013 14:16 gonzaw wrote:
EBWOP:
Although if Five should be mayor, I don't mind his lynch candidates at all, at least Oats ahead of prplhz. Don't remember what other's he mentioned though
I would say trolling with your votes and reads is a scum read because it shows that you dont really care about who gets voted and you dont really care about who is scum, but apparently Gonzaw doesnt think so
On January 21 2013 13:51 gonzaw wrote:
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Don't really know what to think of debears/grush; they are not making much sense and are kind of "trolling" with their votes and some of their reads, but that's too null to blindly lynch on D1.
I dont think that Gonzaw is scum necessarily but I wouldnt want him as my mayor Day 1
Ok on to FiveTouch,
He is leaking town through his pores, but I dont want to vote for him because day 1 lynch will be a mislynch. Me. However, if he changes his target, I would think about voting for him based on his reads.
And Chezinu,
Ok I have never played with him before and only know him by reputation and not much at that.
He needs to make some sense, all his posts have been 1 liners and flighty comments about how his playstyle will change if he is mayor, non alignment indicative. I, however, think that if Chezinu is scum, he would put more effort into campaigning because it seems like he is getting some support but not capitalizing on it
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bah fivetouch i say dumb shit in the beginning of a ton of games, might do it in scum games too but what do you want me to say to that? if i post within the first few posts i usually say something very radical in one way or the other i think, i do it to start discussion (works better than just saying "hey guys get talking", providing something to talk about). while i dislike chezinu policy lynches, he was the best lynch at the time, don't you agree? i thought it would polarize people and spur discussion. it kinda did but not really in the way i had hoped that it would. if you think i'm "angry" or whatever i don't know about that. i'm actually in a pretty decent mood. i don't see what my mood has to do with my aligment though.
as for oats he could be scum but it seems kinda dumb for him to go for gonzaw.
@gonzaw who are you lynching when you become mayor?
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On January 21 2013 22:14 FiveTouch wrote:yamato, you need to listen to what I have to say without being defensive. From the manner of your posting, and your difficulties as scum last game, I consider it likely you are town this game. Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 21:24 yamato77 wrote:
I'm torn on this game at the moment.
On one hand, I think I am confirming my own bias when it comes to Toad's play this game.
On the other, he keeps doing shit I want to call him scum for.
I would really rather see him just die so I can begin to understand this game a bit better. It's good, at least, that you recognise your own confirmation bias with regards to Toad. Mostly your issues with Toad's play come down to the fact that you don't agree with plenty of things he has said, and you heavily dislike his delivery, which you see as condescending or antagonistic. These are not good reasons to think somebody is mafia. So take a step back and reassess; in LVIII you tunneled an active player constantly, right up to the moment he flipped town. This is not a game of veterans vs newer players. It's town vs mafia. If the veterans are not communicating effectively, then they/we need to work on that, but in a similar vein, the newer players need to listen to what we have to say, because we have a lot of experience. Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 13:05 yamato77 wrote:
I'd be most willing to give WBG a pass because I know him quite well by now and I don't think it's alignment indicative that he wants to lynch people I would call Lynchbait.
I would say it is for Sandroba, and this Fivetouch character who apparently wants to be taken seriously. This post (and similar ones you have made) demonstrate a faulty, destructive mindset. You were in the last game where mafia lurked and twiddled their thumbs while watching town burn themselves to the ground. But you are pushing the idea that lurkers are "lynch-bait", which is effectively a statement of intent that you will protect lurkers on this basis, and go after more 'active' players. So it's a direct encouragement to lurk for mafia. Incidentally Mocsta looks better to me now for picking up on this himself. The case on prplhz is not merely that he's lurking (else we could apply this to various others). The case is that he entered the thread pushing a policy idea he's said he hates as town, the case is that he came in trolling which he only does as mafia and not as town, the case is that he's posting little and not encouraging others to post like he does as town, the case is that his only major post yesterday was ranting at bugs and not caring about town or the mayor, or a lynch. His attitude so far is mafia-oriented, and this is backed up by his history. Further, you seem to agree with my Oats read. What exactly is the problem we're having?
I suppose I do have a penchant for ignoring lurking players, hm.
This post is insightful, and definitely something I have a hard time believing a mafia player to make. They would much rather me continue to be destructive and stupid.
I have conflicting opinions of the two players you want to lynch. On one hand, they are being scummy on their own, as is evident to me at this point. On the other, they do seem like rather easy targets to pick on when they are town, which makes me doubt their true alignment, and consider meaningfully the implications of their flip on the players that are pushing them.
I want to make sure I hold you guys accountable for these lynches, if you are indeed elected. While I don't disagree with them on the basic premise you put forth, I am highly suspicious and paranoid about the alignment of these veteran players, especially given that I know Toad and Bugs to be good scum players. Perhaps this is the bias I am confirming here.
For now I think I feel confident enough in you being town to give you the mayoral seat. What I don't want is Toad or Vivax as sherrif, so that is where I am going to use my vote for influence. Would anyone necessarily be opposed to me getting that position?
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On January 21 2013 22:20 Vivax wrote:
@ Yamato
Dude, if you are town (which I kinda doubt cause you promised self-improvement last time I saw you somewhere else):
You have 4 pages of filter of which a lot of posts are aggressive, low content spam.
You aren't achieving anything but calling candidates bad without pushing your own preferences.
Your posts aren't consolidated, and you disregard the opinions of 4 vets. In light of your overconfidence you are aware of you should actually use them properly.
@ debears
Me and Toad aren't the scum you're looking for. Yamato might be but it's still early. Djo is..an interesting choice.
I like your play so far. Don't underestimate me in this game though, I'm asking you to vote me into a seat.
@ gonzaw
There are questions directed at you in my filter that you still have to answer.
I don't care if you think I'm town, I'm not voting for you. And I know you won't be voting for me.
@ Toad
I really appreciate your contributions in the latest pages that appeared since I posted last. Knowing that you support me and FT, I can trust into you being working for town.
I would appreciate however if you didn't refer to me as stupid or idiot.
You never know who's sitting behind the keyboard, and you don't take into account how fast I can improve.
I think my strategies and reads have improved a lot lately. I don't have as much experience as others in this forum, don't draw conclusions about my intelligence or ability to learn then.
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Regarding the discussion about my candidacy post: It was a good way to waste time in the last pages.
If you want to know, I started writing that post after I got my role pm.
But I can't prove it and it doesn't even matter. Look at my other play.
How I push my candidacy doesn't matter either. You know I want to be elected, and when I don't constantly spam that it doesn't mean I don't want it any more.
I pressured JX, Djo, gonzaw and yamato into giving out information in a way that breaks their usual posting style. Specific information.
I managed to get yamato very worked up to the point where he started replying in a subjectively quite scummy way.
Same goes for JX who replied to me with rather big delays, compared to the content he posted in that long time he needed to make the posts.
I am working pro-information, and I'm not sticking endlessly to the same target. I'm active, and I post transparently. Although I'm not giving you out all my reads, yet.
You will absolutely not regret me being elected.
Don't try to change history. I was the one who started our interaction, and you did nothing but OMGUS me. Don't act like it was some calculated move to get a read on me, because you posting dumb shit and then attacking me for calling you out is not good town play at all.
You have yet to qualify your scum read on me for anything that isn't OMGUS. I will henceforth be ignoring you because I am, indeed, listening to other players I think are town who say you are, too.
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On January 21 2013 22:28 prplhz wrote:
bah fivetouch i say dumb shit in the beginning of a ton of games, might do it in scum games too but what do you want me to say to that? if i post within the first few posts i usually say something very radical in one way or the other i think, i do it to start discussion (works better than just saying "hey guys get talking", providing something to talk about). while i dislike chezinu policy lynches, he was the best lynch at the time, don't you agree? i thought it would polarize people and spur discussion. it kinda did but not really in the way i had hoped that it would. if you think i'm "angry" or whatever i don't know about that. i'm actually in a pretty decent mood. i don't see what my mood has to do with my aligment though.
as for oats he could be scum but it seems kinda dumb for him to go for gonzaw.
@gonzaw who are you lynching when you become mayor?
How do you reconcile your attitude here with your attitude in this game, when you were town?
On November 01 2012 07:35 prplhz wrote:
okay so everybody joined and then they outed again :/
anyway millers need to claim as soon as possible. if anybody has something else to claim then that's fine too.
also, can we please only say things that we mean this game? i'm sick and tired of people making bullshit cases for dumb and scum to jump on just because they felt it was a good way to get the game started. it's perfectly possible (and in my opinion desirable) to play the game without saying dumb shit you don't really think for the lulz of it. this is kind of like lynch all liars except it doesn't have a fancy name (yet).
In the first quote you say you often say radical/dumb things to get the game started. In the second you are heavily attacking this notion.
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Lol yamato. It's going to be hard for you to keep up the acting, you are trying to look so indignant and angry.
Say, why do you think Djodref is scum?
Would you support a candidate who wants to lynch him?
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On January 21 2013 22:48 Vivax wrote:
Lol yamato. It's going to be hard for you to keep up the acting, you are trying to look so indignant and angry.
Say, why do you think Djodref is scum?
Would you support a candidate who wants to lynch him?
His scum hunting attempt is a late case on a player already under fire.
The entire rest of his filter is focusing solely on elections and town reads, things which are incredibly easy for scum to do and also quite easy to blend in on. He is also obsessed with getting me to change my read on him which is odd, to say the least.
But if you'd bothered to read my filter, all of this is already there in various parts, which suggests you haven't read my filter, which tells me you're just trying to fling shit at me. What's your town agenda for trying to post-hoc justify your OMGUS of me?
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Honestly, Vivax, right now you're just trying to make yourself look better.
I don't think you have any intention of trying to get me lynched, because I don't think a single player other than yourself is even slightly suspicious of me.
Drop the charade. Image-focused play is scum play.
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+ Show Spoiler +On January 21 2013 22:14 FiveTouch wrote:yamato, you need to listen to what I have to say without being defensive. From the manner of your posting, and your difficulties as scum last game, I consider it likely you are town this game. Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 21:24 yamato77 wrote:
I'm torn on this game at the moment.
On one hand, I think I am confirming my own bias when it comes to Toad's play this game.
On the other, he keeps doing shit I want to call him scum for.
I would really rather see him just die so I can begin to understand this game a bit better. It's good, at least, that you recognise your own confirmation bias with regards to Toad. Mostly your issues with Toad's play come down to the fact that you don't agree with plenty of things he has said, and you heavily dislike his delivery, which you see as condescending or antagonistic. These are not good reasons to think somebody is mafia. So take a step back and reassess; in LVIII you tunneled an active player constantly, right up to the moment he flipped town. This is not a game of veterans vs newer players. It's town vs mafia. If the veterans are not communicating effectively, then they/we need to work on that, but in a similar vein, the newer players need to listen to what we have to say, because we have a lot of experience. Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 13:05 yamato77 wrote:
I'd be most willing to give WBG a pass because I know him quite well by now and I don't think it's alignment indicative that he wants to lynch people I would call Lynchbait.
I would say it is for Sandroba, and this Fivetouch character who apparently wants to be taken seriously. This post (and similar ones you have made) demonstrate a faulty, destructive mindset. You were in the last game where mafia lurked and twiddled their thumbs while watching town burn themselves to the ground. But you are pushing the idea that lurkers are "lynch-bait", which is effectively a statement of intent that you will protect lurkers on this basis, and go after more 'active' players. So it's a direct encouragement to lurk for mafia. Incidentally Mocsta looks better to me now for picking up on this himself. The case on prplhz is not merely that he's lurking (else we could apply this to various others). The case is that he entered the thread pushing a policy idea he's said he hates as town, the case is that he came in trolling which he only does as mafia and not as town, the case is that he's posting little and not encouraging others to post like he does as town, the case is that his only major post yesterday was ranting at bugs and not caring about town or the mayor, or a lynch. His attitude so far is mafia-oriented, and this is backed up by his history. Further, you seem to agree with my Oats read. What exactly is the problem we're having?
So the case on prplhz is due to his meta. What a shame you don't have any on purpose.
With a mayoral position up for grabs with its extra defenses why cant we as town have some meta so we can be fully informed of your towniness by comparing you to your meta.
I don't like being paranoid but it is the game, even if you supposedly out yourself now is there some actual code of conduct here that says your not allowed to lie? So no you are a nameless, meta less, purposefully information limiting, smurf forever to me, as is DearestSnot. General guide to mafia states "Priority #1: Establishing Your Innocence", guess that pregame, you hoped you would roll scum and bet the farm on it, how is that working out so far. Actually from the sheep you have it tow pretty darn good. So yeah maybe you have the experience edge on what other people will take.
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@ Yamato
Then I assume, since me and Toad are probably not going to get lynched today, that you will vote for the candidate that lynches Djo?
@ Oatsmaster
Would you support me/Toad/Sandro as elected role?
If FT stops wanting to lynch you, will you support him?
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After looking at his meta, I support a prplhz lynch as well.
I especially looked at his town meta:
Looney lynching - town
→ More outspoken, more active, doesn't act as much as like he's not giving fuck as he does in this game.
Rockband Mini - town
→ Shares reads very early, opposes random lynching (here he asks for Chez lynch immediately).
Doesn't act like he doesn't give a fuck (as here). Significantly becomes more active when his mislynch is gaining steam. He posts a lot with not much time difference between the posts.
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Marshall Islands1474 Posts
On January 21 2013 23:04 AxleGreaser wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 21 2013 22:14 FiveTouch wrote:yamato, you need to listen to what I have to say without being defensive. From the manner of your posting, and your difficulties as scum last game, I consider it likely you are town this game. Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 21:24 yamato77 wrote:
I'm torn on this game at the moment.
On one hand, I think I am confirming my own bias when it comes to Toad's play this game.
On the other, he keeps doing shit I want to call him scum for.
I would really rather see him just die so I can begin to understand this game a bit better. It's good, at least, that you recognise your own confirmation bias with regards to Toad. Mostly your issues with Toad's play come down to the fact that you don't agree with plenty of things he has said, and you heavily dislike his delivery, which you see as condescending or antagonistic. These are not good reasons to think somebody is mafia. So take a step back and reassess; in LVIII you tunneled an active player constantly, right up to the moment he flipped town. This is not a game of veterans vs newer players. It's town vs mafia. If the veterans are not communicating effectively, then they/we need to work on that, but in a similar vein, the newer players need to listen to what we have to say, because we have a lot of experience. Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 13:05 yamato77 wrote:
I'd be most willing to give WBG a pass because I know him quite well by now and I don't think it's alignment indicative that he wants to lynch people I would call Lynchbait.
I would say it is for Sandroba, and this Fivetouch character who apparently wants to be taken seriously. This post (and similar ones you have made) demonstrate a faulty, destructive mindset. You were in the last game where mafia lurked and twiddled their thumbs while watching town burn themselves to the ground. But you are pushing the idea that lurkers are "lynch-bait", which is effectively a statement of intent that you will protect lurkers on this basis, and go after more 'active' players. So it's a direct encouragement to lurk for mafia. Incidentally Mocsta looks better to me now for picking up on this himself. The case on prplhz is not merely that he's lurking (else we could apply this to various others). The case is that he entered the thread pushing a policy idea he's said he hates as town, the case is that he came in trolling which he only does as mafia and not as town, the case is that he's posting little and not encouraging others to post like he does as town, the case is that his only major post yesterday was ranting at bugs and not caring about town or the mayor, or a lynch. His attitude so far is mafia-oriented, and this is backed up by his history. Further, you seem to agree with my Oats read. What exactly is the problem we're having? So the case on prplhz is due to his meta. What a shame you don't have any on purpose. With a mayoral position up for grabs with its extra defenses why cant we as town have some meta so we can be fully informed of your towniness by comparing you to your meta. I don't like being paranoid but it is the game, even if you supposedly out yourself now is there some actual code of conduct here that says your not allowed to lie? So no you are a nameless, meta less, purposefully information limiting, smurf forever to me, as is DearestSnot. General guide to mafia states "Priority #1: Establishing Your Innocence", guess that pregame, you hoped you would roll scum and bet the farm on it, how is that working out so far. Actually from the sheep you have it tow pretty darn good. So yeah maybe you have the experience edge on what other people will take.
Instead of complaining that I'm a smurf, why don't you assess the merits of what I've said instead?
For example, the post I just made on prplhz. Do you see and understand the contradiction? Do you find it valid, and if not why not?
I have been explicitly clear on the players I want to lynch, and the reasons. prplhz has been absent and doesn't appear to care, and there are clear contradictions in his town play and play this game which I've pointed out.
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