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On December 15 2012 11:13 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 11:12 Djodref wrote:On December 15 2012 11:08 Hapahauli wrote:On December 15 2012 11:06 Djodref wrote:On December 08 2012 09:45 Blazinghand wrote: *snip*
Witchcraft: Each day, in addition to the normal vote, there is a secret vote done via PM to elect Blues. Each player, regardless of alignment, has X votes (See below) they can distribute as they want, but can't put more than one vote on a guy or vote for themselves. They can vote to give the power to nobody, but only with one vote. The results are secret, though of course people can claim their votes in the thread... if they want to out the blues that is :D At the start of the night, the X top winners can choose from the following pool of Powers, which they retain until the next election: *snip* @ HapaI cannot believe you didn't read this... Yeah so what? That means that we can choose not to give the power to anyone. Yeah, that means that your policy of not voting anyone is impossible. I don't think that a town Hapa would not care a bit about how he can use his votes. You couldn't have come up with this idea if you had read the OP, which was the first thing I did when I got my PM. The hell are you talking about? It explicitly states there that we can chose to vote for no one if we want to.
I have 3 witchcraft votes, why do you think you only have one ?
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Since there seems to be some confusion: can we chose not to vote for people in the hidden witchcraft ballot?
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On December 15 2012 11:15 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 11:13 Hapahauli wrote:On December 15 2012 11:12 Djodref wrote:On December 15 2012 11:08 Hapahauli wrote:On December 15 2012 11:06 Djodref wrote:On December 08 2012 09:45 Blazinghand wrote: *snip*
Witchcraft: Each day, in addition to the normal vote, there is a secret vote done via PM to elect Blues. Each player, regardless of alignment, has X votes (See below) they can distribute as they want, but can't put more than one vote on a guy or vote for themselves. They can vote to give the power to nobody, but only with one vote. The results are secret, though of course people can claim their votes in the thread... if they want to out the blues that is :D At the start of the night, the X top winners can choose from the following pool of Powers, which they retain until the next election: *snip* @ HapaI cannot believe you didn't read this... Yeah so what? That means that we can choose not to give the power to anyone. Yeah, that means that your policy of not voting anyone is impossible. I don't think that a town Hapa would not care a bit about how he can use his votes. You couldn't have come up with this idea if you had read the OP, which was the first thing I did when I got my PM. The hell are you talking about? It explicitly states there that we can chose to vote for no one if we want to. I have 3 witchcraft votes, why do you think you only have one ?
This is how voting works according to the OP: Either we cast 3 votes on 3 separate people. Or we cast 1 vote saying we don't want to vote anyone.
There's no middle ground (i.e. you can't vote for only 1-2 people, it's either 3 or nothing).
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anyway. In terms of the witchcraft voting. This is what I am going to do.
I am going to vote for bad townies. Then scum will have to choose between blue sniping useless townies or killing off good players who will fuck their shit up if left alone for long enough.
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On December 15 2012 11:13 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 11:09 Djodref wrote: I'm not retarded, I'm town, I'm interested into the way I should use my witchcraft votes, obviously you both don't So answer me this Djo: 1) Why are you so fearful of the witchhunter? 2) Why are you pushing a plan that compromises our scumhunting? 3) True or false: a 10-3 VT-Goon setup is town favored.
1) Because I don't want us to lose blues / obvious townies 2) I honestly think that we can scumhunt without stating our townreads 3) True, but impossible in this game
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On December 15 2012 11:19 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 11:13 Hapahauli wrote:On December 15 2012 11:09 Djodref wrote: I'm not retarded, I'm town, I'm interested into the way I should use my witchcraft votes, obviously you both don't So answer me this Djo: 1) Why are you so fearful of the witchhunter? 2) Why are you pushing a plan that compromises our scumhunting? 3) True or false: a 10-3 VT-Goon setup is town favored. 1) Because I don't want us to lose blues / obvious townies 2) I honestly think that we can scumhunt without stating our townreads 3) True, but impossible in this game
so djo, when someone asks you if you want to lynch player x but you have a strong town read on player x, what are you going to say?
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On December 15 2012 11:19 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 11:13 Hapahauli wrote:On December 15 2012 11:09 Djodref wrote: I'm not retarded, I'm town, I'm interested into the way I should use my witchcraft votes, obviously you both don't So answer me this Djo: 1) Why are you so fearful of the witchhunter? 2) Why are you pushing a plan that compromises our scumhunting? 3) True or false: a 10-3 VT-Goon setup is town favored. 1) Because I don't want us to lose blues / obvious townies 2) I honestly think that we can scumhunt without stating our townreads 3) True, but impossible in this game
1- you are valuing blues to highly
2- That is a ridiculous proposition
3- So you were voting someone for a plan that was impossible. But you knew that. So you are essentially voting for someone for not reading the OP?
Do you think town or scum are less likely to read the OP?
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On December 15 2012 11:17 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 11:15 Djodref wrote:On December 15 2012 11:13 Hapahauli wrote:On December 15 2012 11:12 Djodref wrote:On December 15 2012 11:08 Hapahauli wrote:On December 15 2012 11:06 Djodref wrote:On December 08 2012 09:45 Blazinghand wrote: *snip*
Witchcraft: Each day, in addition to the normal vote, there is a secret vote done via PM to elect Blues. Each player, regardless of alignment, has X votes (See below) they can distribute as they want, but can't put more than one vote on a guy or vote for themselves. They can vote to give the power to nobody, but only with one vote. The results are secret, though of course people can claim their votes in the thread... if they want to out the blues that is :D At the start of the night, the X top winners can choose from the following pool of Powers, which they retain until the next election: *snip* @ HapaI cannot believe you didn't read this... Yeah so what? That means that we can choose not to give the power to anyone. Yeah, that means that your policy of not voting anyone is impossible. I don't think that a town Hapa would not care a bit about how he can use his votes. You couldn't have come up with this idea if you had read the OP, which was the first thing I did when I got my PM. The hell are you talking about? It explicitly states there that we can chose to vote for no one if we want to. I have 3 witchcraft votes, why do you think you only have one ? This is how voting works according to the OP: Either we cast 3 votes on 3 separate people. Or we cast 1 vote saying we don't want to vote anyone. There's no middle ground (i.e. you can't vote for only 1-2 people, it's either 3 or nothing).
The OP is pretty clear imo. You always have 3 votes, the thing you can do is : Vote Player A Vote Player B Vote No-One
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Oh hmmm maaaaaaaybe. I don't think it's well-defined in the OP, but that's a possibility. We'll I'll wait for BH to respond then.
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On December 15 2012 11:20 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 11:19 Djodref wrote:On December 15 2012 11:13 Hapahauli wrote:On December 15 2012 11:09 Djodref wrote: I'm not retarded, I'm town, I'm interested into the way I should use my witchcraft votes, obviously you both don't So answer me this Djo: 1) Why are you so fearful of the witchhunter? 2) Why are you pushing a plan that compromises our scumhunting? 3) True or false: a 10-3 VT-Goon setup is town favored. 1) Because I don't want us to lose blues / obvious townies 2) I honestly think that we can scumhunt without stating our townreads 3) True, but impossible in this game so djo, when someone asks you if you want to lynch player x but you have a strong town read on player x, what are you going to say?
In your case, if one of my strong town read is going to be lynched, I'm going to defend it. If the guy is in the danger to be lynched, he is not going to receive WC votes, and anyway the mafia is not going to get rid of him.
Let's say that we should avoid to give our towntells on players in the thread.
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"in not retarded I'm town" -djo
does that strike anyone else as an intensely scummy thing to say? not sure why but i read it and my scumsenses went off the charts.
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That individual comment? Not so much. Our entire argument though seemed to stem from unclear wording regarding mechanics in the OP though.
So ##Unvote
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On December 15 2012 11:21 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 11:19 Djodref wrote:On December 15 2012 11:13 Hapahauli wrote:On December 15 2012 11:09 Djodref wrote: I'm not retarded, I'm town, I'm interested into the way I should use my witchcraft votes, obviously you both don't So answer me this Djo: 1) Why are you so fearful of the witchhunter? 2) Why are you pushing a plan that compromises our scumhunting? 3) True or false: a 10-3 VT-Goon setup is town favored. 1) Because I don't want us to lose blues / obvious townies 2) I honestly think that we can scumhunt without stating our townreads 3) True, but impossible in this game 1- you are valuing blues to highly 2- That is a ridiculous proposition 3- So you were voting someone for a plan that was impossible. But you knew that. So you are essentially voting for someone for not reading the OP? Do you think town or scum are less likely to read the OP?
1- the problem is not the blues, the problem is that town players are going to get insta-shot
2- I mean, you focus only on your scum reads, you keep the towntells you find for yourself, is that a better proposition ?
3- I have witchcraft vote and my first reaction has been to check how they work. I was expecting every other town player to do that. Did you not notice that scum players don't have Witchcraft votes. Plus, it's the early game, we have to vote people for small reasons to get the discussion started. I think this reason was good enough. I was hoping that people would discuss my first vote on MrZentor, but this vote on Hapa has been more efficient.
By the way, I've noticed that you didn't read the OP as well
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On December 15 2012 11:27 kushm4sta wrote: "in not retarded I'm town" -djo
does that strike anyone else as an intensely scummy thing to say? not sure why but i read it and my scumsenses went off the charts.
Actually kush, talk to me about that a bit. What about it would you see as scummy?
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Oh looks like Djo is right on this one. You have three votes and can vote for "nobody", but "nobody" counts as a person and you can't vote a person more than once.
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On December 15 2012 11:27 kushm4sta wrote: "in not retarded I'm town" -djo
does that strike anyone else as an intensely scummy thing to say? not sure why but i read it and my scumsenses went off the charts.
Why so nitpikcing ? Why didn't you bother to quote all my one-liner ?
The full quote is
On December 15 2012 11:09 Djodref wrote: I'm not retarded, I'm town, I'm interested into the way I should use my witchcraft votes, obviously you both don't
which makes perfect sense in the context (me answering to people calling me retarded when they failed to read and/or to understand the OP)
By the way, it looks like Hapa genuinely misread the OP, regardless of his alignment
##Unvote
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Holy shit. Djo be scummy. Look at that un-OMGUS as soon as Hapa unvotes. also. Both his votes have been weak as shit.
Djo. Are scum or town less likely to read the OP?
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On December 15 2012 11:13 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 11:12 Djodref wrote:You couldn't have come up with this idea if you had read the OP, which was the first thing I did when I got my PM. ? could you explain more about this
I've checked how the witchcraft votes where working exactly. I read it the first time when the OP came out but I didn't remember exactly how it worked when I joined for real. The players list made me join by the way
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DP is scum btw.
##Vote DarthPunk
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On December 15 2012 11:50 Hapahauli wrote: DP is scum btw.
##Vote DarthPunk
care to provide some reasoning for that vote hapa?
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