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@ BH
I'm not sure why you want the "mason" ability in the game so bad. I think it's really flawed, and probably unfixable in this setup:
1) There's really no incentive to use a mason chat over a DT check. Both serve the same purpose, and a DT check is a more accurate scum-hunting option for 90% of the player-base.
2) There are huge incentives against using mason chat on scumreads! Especially early in the game (before witchhunter shots are used), why on earth would you ever mason chat your scumread? You risk outing yourself for a potential vigi shot.
@ Djo
On December 29 2012 09:04 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2012 08:56 DoYouHas wrote:
Your scum play in thread was pretty good, the amount of genuine effort you put into the game read as townie. Sometimes your attitude got in your way, and your priorities for night actions were a bit off (wasting the shot, killing MrZ instead of Hapa). I don't know about Hapa. It kept JieXian really focused on the fact that he was still alive. I think it could have won us the game if the CC kill would have gone through. And for my attitude, I was really exhausted and about to take my plane when kush finally posted his case against me ^^ Also I got less involved cause I'm in France now.
I made a similar mistake in Newbie XXI (I was scum). A player (JingleHell) led a mislynch and generally seemed off of our trail. While he was the most active player in the game, I decided not to shoot him because I felt he was helping our cause. The next day, he led a last-minute lynch on my scumbuddy, and we shot him immediately. With the most active town-player in the game gone, it was so easy to push mislynches left and right.
You should consider using NK's on active and/or veteran players in the future. One of scum's objectives is to have a safe platform to push their goals. Getting rid of obstructive townies is always a great thing for scum. Also, if you shoot all the active players early-on, you're usually left with a lurkish, easily manipulated town in the later stages of the game.
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Blazinghand
United States25557 Posts
I was kind of hoping to get what I considered the "main" mafia roles in, and masonry is one of them. If it doesn't work with witchcraft, though, it doesn't work with witchcraft. If it's never gonna get used and can't be fixed it might as well be cut.
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I think that if you want the next witchcraft game to play very similar to this one, with just some slight tweaks, you should scrap the masonry option. My suggestion could add quite a bit of intrigue to the game, but it is not a small change.
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United Kingdom36161 Posts
*cackles evilly* I knew you'd come round to my way of thinking
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On December 29 2012 04:55 DoYouHas wrote:
Agreed MrCc. With the exceptions of Hapa, DP, Thrawn, and maybe MrZ, this game should be looked back on as a cautionary tale. Trying to justify bad play after the fact isn't helping anyone to learn from their mistakes.
nah dyh you played well imo I never suspected you much. The last time I did something stupid as town I commended scum's play because he fooled me well and I overlooked him. He knew what he was doing. Actually he kinda has your style too. So that's a lesson to take home.
I never suspected that kush and djo were together like marv said, their distancing was really good I have to give them credit for that.
Marv luckily I realised that 1 important point before I blew =( I already said why I didn't think it was a townie led plan.
I learnt from my mistakes alright, which is that people may not shoot the best town to screw with 1 guy and some might actually not mind going along with a plan that would sign their GG.
I learnt that it's stupid to assume people won't make stupid decisions or decisions that seem stupid to me.
Hapa I seriously still find some parts of your playstyle to be scummy and I guess that's just your town style.
I'd like to think that I'm not an idiotic sore loser and I'll gladly give credit to kush and djo where it's due : good distancing, screwing with my mind by not shooting hapa (though I won't play that way) but definitely not your "bluff" on Hapa's plan.
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On December 29 2012 23:40 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2012 04:55 DoYouHas wrote:
Agreed MrCc. With the exceptions of Hapa, DP, Thrawn, and maybe MrZ, this game should be looked back on as a cautionary tale. Trying to justify bad play after the fact isn't helping anyone to learn from their mistakes. nah dyh you played well imo I never suspected you much. The last time I did something stupid as town I commended scum's play because he fooled me well and I overlooked him. He knew what he was doing. Actually he kinda has your style too. So that's a lesson to take home. I never suspected that kush and djo were together like marv said, their distancing was really good I have to give them credit for that. Marv luckily I realised that 1 important point before I blew =( I already said why I didn't think it was a townie led plan. I learnt from my mistakes alright, which is that people may not shoot the best town to screw with 1 guy and some might actually not mind going along with a plan that would sign their GG. I learnt that it's stupid to assume people won't make stupid decisions or decisions that seem stupid to me. Hapa I seriously still find some parts of your playstyle to be scummy and I guess that's just your town style. I'd like to think that I'm not an idiotic sore loser and I'll gladly give credit to kush and djo where it's due : good distancing, screwing with my mind by not shooting hapa (though I won't play that way) but definitely not your "bluff" on Hapa's plan.
Hapa's plan was not supposed to work because there was supposedely no way to abstain. Also, your vote had fucked the plan.
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no no no no no I've told you enough times. Since you won't listen to me and I'm sick of repeating the same thing I'd need blazinghand to clarify on how the voting system is
Kush, in fact, this is very good for us
Because people are going to vote for "nobody"
They have to cast the Witchcraft vote, they cannot send nothing. If they follow the rules, "nobody" is going to win. There is not going to be any blues next round. That's perfect !
I think that the order of the votes went like this
Cheese -> "nobody"
Hapa -> "ghost"
Hopefully,then, JieXian and ghost are going to vote as well
JieXian -> "nobody"
Ghost -> "nobody"
Then, "nobody" becomes blue, that's the rule. If they miss it for the rest of the day, then it's totally OK
I'm going to look not so bad because I accepted the thing. If JieXian complains, he is going to look bad. So, yeah, don't worry ^^
@Blazinghand -> Could you confirm that nobody is going to win if the votes happened the way I described it ?
I'm not asking to know which one of Hapa and Cheese voted first ^^
@Blazinghand -> Could you confirm that nobody is going to win if the votes happened the way I described it ?
My vote didn't change anything except my own decision making. My CLAIM would've.
oh ya for that matter, if it works the way you think it works, there's absoluely no reason why Mr Nobody shouldn't win with 2 votes to 2 since I voted very late.
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On December 30 2012 00:32 JieXian wrote:no no no no no I've told you enough times. Since you won't listen to me and I'm sick of repeating the same thing I'd need blazinghand to clarify on how the voting system is Show nested quote +Kush, in fact, this is very good for us
Because people are going to vote for "nobody"
They have to cast the Witchcraft vote, they cannot send nothing. If they follow the rules, "nobody" is going to win. There is not going to be any blues next round. That's perfect !
I think that the order of the votes went like this
Cheese -> "nobody"
Hapa -> "ghost"
Hopefully,then, JieXian and ghost are going to vote as well
JieXian -> "nobody"
Ghost -> "nobody"
Then, "nobody" becomes blue, that's the rule. If they miss it for the rest of the day, then it's totally OK
I'm going to look not so bad because I accepted the thing. If JieXian complains, he is going to look bad. So, yeah, don't worry ^^
@Blazinghand -> Could you confirm that nobody is going to win if the votes happened the way I described it ?
I'm not asking to know which one of Hapa and Cheese voted first ^^
@Blazinghand -> Could you confirm that nobody is going to win if the votes happened the way I described it ?My vote didn't change anything except my own decision making. My CLAIM would've. oh ya for that matter, if it works the way you think it works, there's absoluely no reason why Mr Nobody shouldn't win with 2 votes to 2 since I voted very late.
Djo was right. That was the way it was intended to work. There was a loophole that let people abstain for voting, rather than voting "nobody"
The idea was for it to be similar to ##Vote: No-Lynch. At the end of the day, if "Nobody" had the most amount of votes, no one would receive a blue power, rather than the person with the next highest number of votes.
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eh? what about this line? this was the loophole you were referring to?
can't put more than one vote on a guy or vote for themselves-- a self-vote is an abstain.
Wasn't hapas plan about asking everyone to abstain
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On December 30 2012 04:43 JieXian wrote:eh? what about this line Show nested quote +can't put more than one vote on a guy or vote for themselves-- a self-vote is an abstain. Wasn't hapas plan about asking everyone to abstain
It was. But that line you quoted was a mistake, and not intended functionality. But BH couldn't change the rules mid-game.
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ok...... then I'd suggest better wording next game and maybe include a detailed explaination like the no-lynch vote one because
X top winners can choose from the following pool of Powers
"Nobody" can't win something or choose powers.
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On December 30 2012 04:53 JieXian wrote:ok...... then I'd suggest better wording next game and maybe include a detailed explaination like the no-lynch vote one because "Nobody" can't win something or choose powers.
All of that was already discussed in the post game 
BH said it wasn't intended for people to be able to abstain, and the next game it will be worded better so that abstaining isn't possible.
BTW, the "Nobody" thing was clarified on day 1.
On December 15 2012 11:52 Blazinghand wrote:
You can use one of your votes to cast a "no-one" vote. If "no-one" wins, it blocks out a spot in the election. Today there are 10 townies alive, which means you are electing three blues, which means you must cast three witchcraft votes. One of these votes may be a vote for "no-one", and if it is in the top 3 choices town will have one less blue role than usual tonight.
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ok then, didn't notice that at all
sucks to have went through that mindfuck because of loopholes
to the vets, might it be a great strategy to go nuts at the strongest townie players so that mafia won't shoot him*? :D
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Blazinghand
United States25557 Posts
I think typically the best strategy as a townie is to push your scumreads, and defend your townreads if they are in danger of getting lynched. Your goal in this setup isn't really to avoid getting shot, since every townie basically has the same role-- Acolyte. Trying to appear unhelpful to avoid getting shot doesn't really help the town, and though you live longer, you are likely less useful as a result.
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Australia10857 Posts
Well GG all.
I didn't really feel a part of this game as I got killed so very quickly. scum had this in the bag if they just killed hapa. I don't even know how they could think keeping him alive til endgame was a good idea.
Regardless, Hapa carried this on his back. GJ Hapa!
Djo was pretty obvious day one and increasingly obvious later. I shouldn't have let my fear of a retarded mislynch of the back of hapa's suspicion of me sway me from my read of him early.
Kush had me completely fooled. Mainly because of his meta which he is now aware of and has changed which is good to know.
Don't know if it was just me but I read CC as super scummy. So that is something I need to be aware of in the future.
Anyway. all in all a pretty average game. Town should thank their lucky stars that hapa rolled town and scum made a bunch of mistakes.
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On January 02 2013 14:47 DarthPunk wrote:
Kush had me completely fooled. Mainly because of his meta which he is now aware of and has changed which is good to know.
I disagree completely. His meta was to be whiny/angry when he was pressured. He was never pressured enough in this game to make him become like that. Actually, I would say he adhered to his meta, just in scum QT rather than in the thread, because of Djo being pissed at him.
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Australia10857 Posts
On January 02 2013 15:14 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2013 14:47 DarthPunk wrote:
Kush had me completely fooled. Mainly because of his meta which he is now aware of and has changed which is good to know.
I disagree completely. His meta was to be whiny/angry when he was pressured. He was never pressured enough in this game to make him become like that. Actually, I would say he adhered to his meta, just in scum QT rather than in the thread, because of Djo being pissed at him.
hmmm. That actually makes sense.
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On January 02 2013 06:37 Blazinghand wrote:
I think typically the best strategy as a townie is to push your scumreads, and defend your townreads if they are in danger of getting lynched. Your goal in this setup isn't really to avoid getting shot, since every townie basically has the same role-- Acolyte. Trying to appear unhelpful to avoid getting shot doesn't really help the town, and though you live longer, you are likely less useful as a result.
oh shit actually I meant won't shoot the strongest townie player***
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Blazinghand
United States25557 Posts
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