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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On December 14 2012 23:45 Bluelightz wrote: Addressing grush57 on his posts about me 1. "Bluelightz is scum because Vivax isn't." Is this a lie or is there some definitive proof? 2. Why is my play extremely bad/scummy? And I'm quite sure roles are RNG'ed... vote bl | ||
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
Your clearly informative accusation / suggestion of my lynch is informative and will be responded to soon.. + Show Spoiler + nope | ||
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Tunkeg
Norway1235 Posts
On December 14 2012 23:46 Palmar wrote: I just want to point out that mafia will never shoot djodref, if clarity's claim is legit we've probably also used our only non-lynch kill. Do you want this guy alive and kicking down the line? It's strictly the wrong play not to lynch him. Even if he somehow flips town, it's wrong not lynch him. No one should ever not be lynched after getting caught lying trying to hide the fact he was trying to defend scum. It's the most obvious lie since I've seen in a mafia game for a long time. That being said, I guess it's time I look at other people. But really, give this a thought. Do you want to have to think about Djodref in lylo? This is just horseshit and a real bad arguement for lynching him. Do we really want grush around at lylo, Bluelightz, thrawn? It could be said for half the remaining players. But it doesn't make your case on Djordref better (or worse for that matter). Scummieness is all he should be lynched for, leave all the other bullshit elsewhere. | ||
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Vivax
21694 Posts
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
On December 14 2012 23:52 Vivax wrote: Jesus BL, why are you posting this much, it just doesn't look like you. Is it a problem? | ||
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Vivax
21694 Posts
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
On December 14 2012 23:54 Vivax wrote: No, on the contrary. Every hand is needed to tighten the rope properly. Then your previous post was uncalled for and is trash. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
Palmar, I spent quite some time in Djo's filter yesterday and I just didn't feel as strongly about it as you seem to, nor do I think it is the correct 'solution'. I need to recheck this 'lie' bit though. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22630 Posts
On December 14 2012 22:52 thrawn2112 wrote: palmr can you rank 1-3 how confident you were/are about each of your scum reads ( adam, wbg, djo) [b]2. Adam[b] Adam I was pretty sure was scum based on a number of things, vaguely outlined in my short "case" against him and things I said on the video. 1. Bugs I was almost 100% convinced Bugs is scum, which is the strongest reason I might consider Tunkeg scum. Bugs was pushing the Tunkeg lynch, and I just don't believe Bugs could be possibly so arrogant/bad as to try to kill my wagon on scum, when he had a somewhat tentative town read on both me and marv who were on Adam. The solution to this is that Tunkeg is also scum which seems strange to me, but it's certainly a possibility. The other solution to me at the time was that Tunkeg was someone scum tried to push against the Adam lynch, which is why I thought Bugs was scum. So the options were: Bugs is good, Bugs is scum, Tunkeg's town Bugs is good, Bugs is town, Tunkeg's scum Bugs is bad, Bugs is town, Tunkeg's town I initially assumed the first option is the correct one, but that one was clearly wrong. So now I need to decide whether it's 2 or 3. 3. Djodref Djodref is a different case. It's not wrong that he's been somewhat willing to confront people, although after a very quick skim of another game where he was scum, he seems capable of that as scum. But the big thing here is the three-pillar case that I wrote earlier. I'm not convinced he's scum, but I know, after playing probably close to 50 forum mafia games that it is strictly the wrong play to not lynch him. It sucks balls if he's somehow town and has managed to fuck up repeatedly. But I have been burned in the past when letting people go and assuming they're just retarded. He's even playing the bad townie defense himself. The aggressive part of me wants to lynch him just because no one should get away with shit like this. Fuck alignments, he should be lynched on policy alone. The more passive part of me still wants to lynch him, because I've more than once kicked myself after games for letting people go when trying to account for stupidity. My options here are Djodref did scummy things, thus he's town Djodref did scummy things, thus he's scum Why should I pick number 1? | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22630 Posts
On December 14 2012 23:58 marvellosity wrote: let's not lynch BL, i'm enjoying his feistiness Palmar, I spent quite some time in Djo's filter yesterday and I just didn't feel as strongly about it as you seem to, nor do I think it is the correct 'solution'. I need to recheck this 'lie' bit though. Don't put quotes on it as it's a fact. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22630 Posts
On December 14 2012 23:52 Tunkeg wrote: This is just horseshit and a real bad arguement for lynching him. Do we really want grush around at lylo, Bluelightz, thrawn? It could be said for half the remaining players. But it doesn't make your case on Djordref better (or worse for that matter). Scummieness is all he should be lynched for, leave all the other bullshit elsewhere. This is actually incorrect. Ideally people who are disruptive but possibly not scum (which seems to be what everyone but me thinks of Djodref) Should be dealt with through vigi hits, while people who can be proven to be scum should be dealt with by lynches. Lurkers/Inactive people tend to be really hard to read, and thus they're disruptive, this is why Vigilantes should almost always aim at such people. Liars are another class of people who should be killed on policy, but that's where the similarities end. You are correct, I really don't want people who don't play around at lylo either. But the difference is that Djodref's past actions can never go away, while the people currently not working hard may still improve their effort later in the game. So I think it's even more important to kill him early. Sure, if we're 100% sure someone is mafia and have a solid case on him, it's better to lynch that person. But any town lynch is worse than Djodref lynch at the moment, as he has the most incriminating posting history, regardless of possible alignment. And remember, I'm explaining this from the point of view that you guys are taking, that Djodref is just a bad townie, not scum. From my point of view it makes sense to lynch him because he's scum. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On December 14 2012 23:58 marvellosity wrote: let's not lynch BL, i'm enjoying his feistiness Palmar, I spent quite some time in Djo's filter yesterday and I just didn't feel as strongly about it as you seem to, nor do I think it is the correct 'solution'. I need to recheck this 'lie' bit though. Really? How does him being pissed off at the world after doing nothing for 5 days make him more likely town in your eyes? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On December 13 2012 21:18 Djodref wrote: I forgot about these posts... Yeah, at that time, I was under the impression that debears was exaggerating in his analisys of Adam's posts. Right, found it, this. I don't understand at all a player from either alignment doing this. It's just horrible. Slightly different tack: Palmar, what makes you think Tunkeg ISN'T a good lynch? | ||
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Vivax
21694 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On December 10 2012 21:37 Bluelightz wrote: Alright, from reading the thread here's some rapid fire scum reads and suspicions - as well as answers after I play some games after posting this. Firstly, thrawn. What I find suspicious about him is that first, he only answers questions when pressured, this is an example of trying not to give information to town and because he has a bunch of one-liners in his filter. Also, shall we take a look at his vote? Oh, it's on WBG, why is it on WBG??? He says that WBG has rubbed him the scummiest out of all the responses, but I think his vote is justified, and thrawn's point is not. Because WBG says because his vote (at the time on thrawn) is because of LALiars, which is possibly true because we don't know thrawn's alignment and his intentions in doing that (although thrawn has explained why he claimed Miller, but in his explanation "It first was mostly a joke but it was also intended to jumpstart discussion", wait what? He's trying to shed a good light to his mostly bad action) Second, jaybrundage: It has been said by clarity already but how I think it is, it's a attempt to avoid pressure, also the sentence after: Does he give a bloody explanation on why thrawn is making a good case why he's scum? nope (so where's the info we can discuss bro?). Piggybacking other people's opinion and not giving one's own: Not giving information to the discussion. Also, lastly, I don't understand why he keeps pressuring thrawn for a response, is thrawn's response so pivotal to him? This along with clarity's case, I will vote jaybrundage. ##vote: jaybrundage So on my simple one post suspicions: Why, everyone knows that chances suck balls in mafia correct? This is as same as lying to be frank (does he know more than we do? Does he know more shit so he can base his 80% chance that Palmar is scum? Is this just an attempt to get a good town player d34d through the lynch?) Dude... Its not whether we believe you. Your lying simple. Not a single persons believes your claim its about why are you lying. For no damn reason. And what purpose would town have to do that. It only makes sense from a mafia perspective He says: 1) There's no town mindset in saying it 2) There's a lot of scum mindset Yet, he keeps warning thrawn he'll get lynch if he keeps it up. And the wishy-washiness despite having said the above "Hey he found it but I'll explain this thing he found!" Doesn't bother to read jaybrundage's filter, but simply describes what jay said in his post. Okay game time. Gonna drop my vote off in the voting thread Then here he starts the bussing process by suspecting Adam for pushing thrawn heavily, when in his previous post the first guy he suspected was thrawn himself lol. + Show Spoiler + On December 11 2012 22:42 Bluelightz wrote: Vivax, do you understand the difference between the both? dabears post is only a simple thing of pointing out/answering a question, however Adam has pushed thrawn heavily. See the difference? Also, dabear if you could explain/join this talk it would be nice. Then this stuff: On December 12 2012 01:43 Bluelightz wrote: Aight. From the thread, I'm gonna vote ##Vote: Adam4167 Because of Palmar's case and my own reasons. I believe this is the most helpful vote I can put in before I sleep as I have school so can't be here @ the deadline. On December 12 2012 20:40 Bluelightz wrote: I'm fine if there's a consensus on bugs. Yeaaah, I'm fine if there's a consensus on this guy I never gave a fuck about since my first post.He's town so who cares. Dunno why I'm even quoting this, one just has to look at his filter. It screams scum. There was a good reason people wanted to vote him before Adam. Also, if you noticed, Djo wanted to direct the bandwagon either to jay or to Tunkeg, not BL tho. So if BL flips scum, we can easily revisit the Djo case. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On December 15 2012 00:15 Clarity_nl wrote: Really? How does him being pissed off at the world after doing nothing for 5 days make him more likely town in your eyes? It doesn't, I should probably have attached a smiley or something. I just laughed out loud at his post with the spoilered "nope". | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22630 Posts
On December 15 2012 00:17 marvellosity wrote: Right, found it, this. I don't understand at all a player from either alignment doing this. It's just horrible. Slightly different tack: Palmar, what makes you think Tunkeg ISN'T a good lynch? I don't quite know. Not yet at least. This is as good time as any to tell you that if it comes down to the two, I'm going to support a Bluelightz lynch over a Tunkeg lynch... I think. But honestly I need to re-read Tunkeg, maybe bugs was onto something. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On December 15 2012 00:18 marvellosity wrote: It doesn't, I should probably have attached a smiley or something. I just laughed out loud at his post with the spoilered "nope". Sarcasm gets lost on me, in text. I'm going to read through Tunkeg and BL again. I would much prefer a BL lynch, if Tunkeg couldn't get lynched would you consolidate on BL? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On December 15 2012 00:19 Palmar wrote: I don't quite know. Not yet at least. This is as good time as any to tell you that if it comes down to the two, I'm going to support a Bluelightz lynch over a Tunkeg lynch... I think. But honestly I need to re-read Tunkeg, maybe bugs was onto something. Please get to it, it's kinda important. Especially his night action obsession, his first reads post in context of flips, and his swing of behaviour between calm and humble when he was being lynched and pointlessly aggressive when he wasn't. At least tell me why he could be town. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On December 15 2012 00:20 Clarity_nl wrote: Sarcasm gets lost on me, in text. I'm going to read through Tunkeg and BL again. I would much prefer a BL lynch, if Tunkeg couldn't get lynched would you consolidate on BL? I'd kill Djodref before BL | ||
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Vivax
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