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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
December 14 2012 15:49 GMT
#1701
I think Vivax needs a better look, this session is clearing a lot of things up for me. Bluelightz looks a lot better, Vivax looks a lot worse.

Tunkeg consequently looks worse too. I'm still working up the courage to read better what he has said.
Computer says mafia
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
December 14 2012 15:51 GMT
#1702
Can we just lynch Vivax out of spite? Wish I still had my vigi shot.

I'm willing to consolidate on Tunkeg, I convinced myself. Reading Djo now, but for the love of god please consider BL, mainly all the stuff before my case because all the stuff after my case is him giving up afaik. Marv you say there's no scum agenda but just because you played scum with him and he forced a scum agenda this one time does not mean it's his scum play 100%.
As you pointed out, look at how excited he was to be back and play and now look at how he's playing.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22420 Posts
December 14 2012 15:54 GMT
#1703
On December 11 2012 22:30 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2012 21:21 Palmar wrote:
Out of curiosity, if you had to guess right now, what would your guess be?


not like it really matters, but probably:

Tunkeg
Adam
Munk-E
one of ZB/VE/you/BL

I feel very strongly that among the first 3 there are at least 2 scum. I don't think I am wrong about more than one of them, because Tunkeg + Adam in particular don't play like this as town from what I know.

Show nested quote +
On December 11 2012 22:09 marvellosity wrote:
And also, hi bugs.

How are you 'almost certain' Djo isn't scum?


I don't think mafia would so openly confront someone over a play like Djo did. His tone and willingness to question and probe is really towny to me. Ex:

Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 10:44 Djodref wrote:
On December 10 2012 10:37 jaybrundage wrote:
On December 10 2012 10:33 thrawn2112 wrote:
On December 10 2012 10:28 Adam4167 wrote:
On December 10 2012 10:24 thrawn2112 wrote:
On December 10 2012 10:19 Adam4167 wrote:
On December 10 2012 09:57 thrawn2112 wrote:
any answer I could possibly give would just betray the actual purpose behind that post, making whatever I hoped to accomplish with that post no longer possible


I think you better try to explain what you were hoping to accomplish here.

On November 01 2012 08:25 thrawn2112 wrote:
If a miller claims D1 I don't even know what my thought process would be for deciding if I believe them or not, so I'm hesitatingly saying that I disagree with the idea


I find this post sits in a stark contrast to your current play, and this is from one of your recent town games (ACME).


What's the stark contrast? I don't see how these things are even related. Are you trying to suggest I'm scum? because you went about it pretty subtly.



Town you from ACME says that you disagree with the idea of millers claiming, and that you don't even know what your thought process would be for deciding if its real or not. Why are you trying to put everyone else in a similar position of confusion?

If I wanted to call you scum, I would have. What I want to know is why you are doing what you are doing.


That's not even the issue. How am I putting anyone in a compromising decision about whether or not to believe the claim when millers aren't even self aware? I don't understand what accusation you're trying to make, it makes no sense in the context of what the OP has to say about millers.

Dude... Its not whether we believe you. Your lying simple. Not a single persons believes your claim its about why are you lying. For no damn reason. And what purpose would town have to do that. It only makes sense from a mafia perspective


I disagree with you, I see more town motivation than mafia motivation for fakeclaiming like that. But I would really like thrawn to explain his motivation by himself at first.



He wants to find out thrawn's motivations so he votes him despite thinking that thrawn's actions were townish. I don't see many scum who are willing to put so much attention on themselves in this manner. Think about it: it opens Djo up to the "you're voting someone you have a townread on?" attack, and it's completely obvious. I'm certain scum would at the very least word their posts more carefully or not actually confront the player in such a manner at all.

Secondly, when he pushes jay as a lynch, he ACTUALLY pushes it. I don't see scum doing that either. They often don't actively try to convince people to join them in killing someone. Sure, he might be good as scum, but we then have to ask why he would be so concerned with my vote and where it's going. Things like this:

Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 16:28 Djodref wrote:
@ WBG

If I take your word for jay and assume that you are not scum yourself, I'd say that I don't have huge concerns about anyone at the beginning of this game. Why did you single out Palmar among all the people who didn't participate yet ?
What about Bluelight, Z-Bo, Munk-E, Vivax and Tunkeg ? All of them scum by elimination ?


Indicate that Djo is reading the thread and at the very least concerned about people giving half-assed reasons to vote people. I didn't really have a great reason to vote Palmar and he called me out on it. Pretty townie reaction IMO.

He also doesn't let bullshit fly:

Show nested quote +
On December 11 2012 12:47 Djodref wrote:
On December 11 2012 04:23 Tunkeg wrote:
*snip*
I am also abit concerned about Djodref, I think he is posting alot, but his posts are very fluffy. I haven't played with him before, is this his style or?



@ Tunkeg

You can find all my previous games on these forums in my profile.
I don't like the way you are saying I'm fluffy and scummy, without really backing it up with a case or at least some quotes. You are just discrediting me for free here.


If you think Djo is scum, then you have to assume he is very very good at hiding his intentions. I just don't see scum acting the way he has acted so far.

He's also far too active IMO to be a day 1 lynch consideration.


Good post by WBG regarding djo aswell, and the scum options are quite close to where we are now.

Anyway, if you want to prove I'm lying, then go fucking find it for yourself. I've got better stuff to do than to prove I'm innocent to idiots.
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
December 14 2012 15:56 GMT
#1704
I'm quite happy you just quoted the thing we all looked at when bugs flipped. Bit late to the party?
How about you just go back to calling everyone idiots, the look suits you. Seriously, make an actual case or do some actual analysis or don't bother, now you're just taking up space.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Tunkeg
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Norway1235 Posts
December 14 2012 15:58 GMT
#1705
Alot of stupid comments and posts have been made in this thread, but saying WBG made a good post will win you the prize for most stupid comment. He played like shit, posted like shit, and acted like shit. Just try to forget he ever was in this game.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
December 14 2012 15:58 GMT
#1706
Actually Clarity, look back on a few things about Bluelightz:

He defended debears in the Adam/BL exchange.

He made this post quite early:

On December 11 2012 21:58 Bluelightz wrote:
On Adam,

Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 13:07 Adam4167 wrote:
In fact, why are you not voting me dabears?

On December 10 2012 11:43 debears wrote:
@Djo

The person that I don't like so far is adam. I would arguably say he has been just as, if not more, aggressive with you on thrawn. Yet, he hasn't voted him. He implied heavily that thrawn was scum, yet doesn't think he's scummy when asked directly. Furthermore, he keeps hard questioning thrawn on a response that thrawn basically said he wouldn't say (even though it seems to me that he was joking) even though he said he doesn't think thrawn is scum.

His reaction is feeling very forced


You say you don't like me (I assume this means you think i'm scum?), you find my lack of vote strange and that my reactions feel forced. Why make a case like this if you aren't going to follow it with a vote?

##Vote: dabears


This caught my eye in Adam's filter, someone says "Oh Adam might be scum" he went into insta defensive mode, then he didn't address the accusation but only followed up with a counter vote. Seems strange?



The timing of his vote on Adam is very important here too:

BL was the fourth person to cast a vote on Adam. At the time Tunkeg lead with 4 votes, and Adam/Jay were tied at 3. If BL is scum it must have been a designed bus from that point on. There was no need for BL to step on the Adam wagon if he was scum right there.

In fact, I would argue his vote starts the swing to an Adam lynch.
Computer says mafia
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
December 14 2012 16:00 GMT
#1707
LAWL

Oh man, selective humbleness. Palmar you're a treasure.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
December 14 2012 16:01 GMT
#1708
I request everyone who is voting BL to move their votes somewhere else, he should not be a candidate for today's lynch.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
December 14 2012 16:01 GMT
#1709
On December 15 2012 01:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
LAWL

Oh man, selective humbleness. Palmar you're a treasure.


Hi, you're such a scum aren't you?
Computer says mafia
Tunkeg
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Norway1235 Posts
December 14 2012 16:02 GMT
#1710
On December 15 2012 01:01 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2012 01:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
LAWL

Oh man, selective humbleness. Palmar you're a treasure.


Hi, you're such a scum aren't you?


Then why the fuck aren't you voting him?
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
December 14 2012 16:03 GMT
#1711
Because he fucking knows I'm not scum he's just being a dick.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
December 14 2012 16:03 GMT
#1712
On December 15 2012 01:02 Tunkeg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2012 01:01 Palmar wrote:
On December 15 2012 01:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
LAWL

Oh man, selective humbleness. Palmar you're a treasure.


Hi, you're such a scum aren't you?


Then why the fuck aren't you voting him?


Can't prove it/not sure. He has a few things that look kinda towny. But he's in the shit tier for now.
Computer says mafia
Tunkeg
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Norway1235 Posts
December 14 2012 16:06 GMT
#1713
He have alot of things that looks scummy...
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
December 14 2012 16:07 GMT
#1714
On December 15 2012 00:58 Palmar wrote:
Actually Clarity, look back on a few things about Bluelightz:

He defended debears in the Adam/BL exchange.

He made this post quite early:

Show nested quote +
On December 11 2012 21:58 Bluelightz wrote:
On Adam,

On December 10 2012 13:07 Adam4167 wrote:
In fact, why are you not voting me dabears?

On December 10 2012 11:43 debears wrote:
@Djo

The person that I don't like so far is adam. I would arguably say he has been just as, if not more, aggressive with you on thrawn. Yet, he hasn't voted him. He implied heavily that thrawn was scum, yet doesn't think he's scummy when asked directly. Furthermore, he keeps hard questioning thrawn on a response that thrawn basically said he wouldn't say (even though it seems to me that he was joking) even though he said he doesn't think thrawn is scum.

His reaction is feeling very forced


You say you don't like me (I assume this means you think i'm scum?), you find my lack of vote strange and that my reactions feel forced. Why make a case like this if you aren't going to follow it with a vote?

##Vote: dabears


This caught my eye in Adam's filter, someone says "Oh Adam might be scum" he went into insta defensive mode, then he didn't address the accusation but only followed up with a counter vote. Seems strange?



The timing of his vote on Adam is very important here too:

BL was the fourth person to cast a vote on Adam. At the time Tunkeg lead with 4 votes, and Adam/Jay were tied at 3. If BL is scum it must have been a designed bus from that point on. There was no need for BL to step on the Adam wagon if he was scum right there.

In fact, I would argue his vote starts the swing to an Adam lynch.


I've addressed it in my case. That first post on Adam is like all his other commentary at the start of the game.
"Oh, this is weird", "oh, that is strange!"

Then when he has to leave and won't be back before lynch he parks his vote on Adam (which is the best decision scumwise. You won't be around to defend him so this is either a bus or a clever vote depending on if Adam gets lynched)

He votes for Adam and then he throws in "Palmar's case and my own reasons". I had to ask him for his reasons and he quoted his own post, the very post that you just showed me. Give me a break.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
December 14 2012 16:07 GMT
#1715
If people are wondering how I'm working atm I've got like these almost certainly townies:

thrawn, clarity, bluelightz

these probably/maybe townies

marv, jay, grush

these hmm pfff hmm (need to read more on them all)

tunkeg, Z-bos, hapa

these shit tier people

VE, Vivax, Djodref
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
December 14 2012 16:08 GMT
#1716
On December 15 2012 01:07 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2012 00:58 Palmar wrote:
Actually Clarity, look back on a few things about Bluelightz:

He defended debears in the Adam/BL exchange.

He made this post quite early:

On December 11 2012 21:58 Bluelightz wrote:
On Adam,

On December 10 2012 13:07 Adam4167 wrote:
In fact, why are you not voting me dabears?

On December 10 2012 11:43 debears wrote:
@Djo

The person that I don't like so far is adam. I would arguably say he has been just as, if not more, aggressive with you on thrawn. Yet, he hasn't voted him. He implied heavily that thrawn was scum, yet doesn't think he's scummy when asked directly. Furthermore, he keeps hard questioning thrawn on a response that thrawn basically said he wouldn't say (even though it seems to me that he was joking) even though he said he doesn't think thrawn is scum.

His reaction is feeling very forced


You say you don't like me (I assume this means you think i'm scum?), you find my lack of vote strange and that my reactions feel forced. Why make a case like this if you aren't going to follow it with a vote?

##Vote: dabears


This caught my eye in Adam's filter, someone says "Oh Adam might be scum" he went into insta defensive mode, then he didn't address the accusation but only followed up with a counter vote. Seems strange?



The timing of his vote on Adam is very important here too:

BL was the fourth person to cast a vote on Adam. At the time Tunkeg lead with 4 votes, and Adam/Jay were tied at 3. If BL is scum it must have been a designed bus from that point on. There was no need for BL to step on the Adam wagon if he was scum right there.

In fact, I would argue his vote starts the swing to an Adam lynch.


I've addressed it in my case. That first post on Adam is like all his other commentary at the start of the game.
"Oh, this is weird", "oh, that is strange!"

Then when he has to leave and won't be back before lynch he parks his vote on Adam (which is the best decision scumwise. You won't be around to defend him so this is either a bus or a clever vote depending on if Adam gets lynched)

He votes for Adam and then he throws in "Palmar's case and my own reasons". I had to ask him for his reasons and he quoted his own post, the very post that you just showed me. Give me a break.


I'm not going with a bluelightz case now. My recent re-read has completely changed my read on him.
Computer says mafia
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
December 14 2012 16:11 GMT
#1717
On December 15 2012 01:07 Palmar wrote:
If people are wondering how I'm working atm I've got like these almost certainly townies:

thrawn, clarity, bluelightz

these probably/maybe townies

marv, jay, grush

these hmm pfff hmm (need to read more on them all)

tunkeg, Z-bos, hapa

these shit tier people

VE, Vivax, Djodref


Why is grush probably town and why is hapa null? I don't agree with BL town but I'll consolidate for now and revisit it tomorrow.

##Unvote
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22420 Posts
December 14 2012 16:14 GMT
#1718
+ Show Spoiler +
On December 13 2012 22:57 Tunkeg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2012 22:49 Palmar wrote:
Also I just really want Tunkeg to be town so I can at least claim bugs was wrong on day 1 as an excuse for me wanting to lynch him when he was town. It just looks a whole lot better if I didn't get bugs killed for trying to lynch some other scum than the one I wanted to lynch.

I want to be able to pull off "Well if you wanted me to think you're town, maybe you shouldn't have tried to lynch townies to save scum".


Don't worry, I am town. You can have a go at WBG post-game all you want, he played like utter shit this game.

Also there got to be a scum in either Jaybrundage or Bluelightz (or both). I don't think adam would post his "reads" without least including some of his scumbuddies as scum.


Hey Tunkeg, what about these two you mentioned?
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
December 14 2012 16:14 GMT
#1719
Right we need to talk about this tunkeg thing. I finally read his filter, and to be perfectly honest, I don't see myself getting behind a lynch on him. Can someone tell me what are the pillars of the case against him?
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
December 14 2012 16:15 GMT
#1720
On December 15 2012 01:11 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2012 01:07 Palmar wrote:
If people are wondering how I'm working atm I've got like these almost certainly townies:

thrawn, clarity, bluelightz

these probably/maybe townies

marv, jay, grush

these hmm pfff hmm (need to read more on them all)

tunkeg, Z-bos, hapa

these shit tier people

VE, Vivax, Djodref


Why is grush probably town and why is hapa null? I don't agree with BL town but I'll consolidate for now and revisit it tomorrow.

##Unvote


Hapa is null because of Munk-E's play on day 1, he kinda looks towny now on day 2. I also need to read him better. Grush's filter was a quick read but he doesn't look like scum at the moment.
Computer says mafia
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