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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22291 Posts
December 14 2012 16:15 GMT
#1721
I'd expect you to be a bit more enthusiastic considering I've been pushing exactly these two all the time.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 14 2012 16:16 GMT
#1722
On December 15 2012 01:14 Palmar wrote:
Right we need to talk about this tunkeg thing. I finally read his filter, and to be perfectly honest, I don't see myself getting behind a lynch on him. Can someone tell me what are the pillars of the case against him?


Why don't you just read what I wrote? :/

Counterquestion for you: Is Vivax only in your shit-list because of how he attacked the Adam case? Is Tunkeg not in your shit-list because he didn't?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Tunkeg
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Norway1235 Posts
December 14 2012 16:18 GMT
#1723
On December 15 2012 01:14 Vivax wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On December 13 2012 22:57 Tunkeg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2012 22:49 Palmar wrote:
Also I just really want Tunkeg to be town so I can at least claim bugs was wrong on day 1 as an excuse for me wanting to lynch him when he was town. It just looks a whole lot better if I didn't get bugs killed for trying to lynch some other scum than the one I wanted to lynch.

I want to be able to pull off "Well if you wanted me to think you're town, maybe you shouldn't have tried to lynch townies to save scum".


Don't worry, I am town. You can have a go at WBG post-game all you want, he played like utter shit this game.

Also there got to be a scum in either Jaybrundage or Bluelightz (or both). I don't think adam would post his "reads" without least including some of his scumbuddies as scum.


Hey Tunkeg, what about these two you mentioned?



Check out this post, it covers it:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953&currentpage=75#1498
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 14 2012 16:18 GMT
#1724
On December 15 2012 01:15 Vivax wrote:
I'd expect you to be a bit more enthusiastic considering I've been pushing exactly these two all the time.


We've already established your opinion isn't worth much.
Computer says mafia
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22291 Posts
December 14 2012 16:22 GMT
#1725
Palmar just doesn't remember my defense of our JK against Palmars shit-tier spamming post before he got shot by our supersmart vigi.

NOW THAT'S something scum would do. Defend a townie when everyone's shitting on him.Blending in like from the handbook.

Instead he prefers to assume that only scum would defend other scum day1, the day where every townie knows exactly where to find the first successful lynch by sheeping his majesty of Eyjafjallajökullfuckyou.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 14 2012 16:26 GMT
#1726
On December 15 2012 01:16 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2012 01:14 Palmar wrote:
Right we need to talk about this tunkeg thing. I finally read his filter, and to be perfectly honest, I don't see myself getting behind a lynch on him. Can someone tell me what are the pillars of the case against him?


Why don't you just read what I wrote? :/

Counterquestion for you: Is Vivax only in your shit-list because of how he attacked the Adam case? Is Tunkeg not in your shit-list because he didn't?


Vivax probably yeah, I just don't like people calling me shit when I'm right.

Tunkeg no. There's a couple of things that caught my eye. In fact, you voted Tunkeg on day 1, and bugs/djodref used a part of that post as a case against tunkeg after this post:

On December 11 2012 04:23 Tunkeg wrote:
So I have skimmed through the thread. And these are my thoughts:

Thrawn's "claim" is a joke claim. He did it in the very beginning, and quickly and without concern went back on it. I didn't like his response when called out on it. But when he in the end explained why he did as he did, it was an ok (no more, no less) explanation. I truly think people read to much into stuff like this, and overfocuses on it. I have many times made posts early that people have labeled stupid, with them voting for me and almost misslynching me (mainly because they didn't get my logic behind doing them, even after I explained it). I don't think the millar "claim" is anything worth spending much time analysing, but I would say that I find it more likely that a townie would do this.

I like Clarity's post on jaybrundage. I think jaybrundage's posts are very non-commiting, and very fluffy. I have played games with jaybrundage before, and I may be wrong, but I think his style resembles what he did in Student, where he was scum. A very wishy-washy style, where he eventually did some major slips.

I am also abit concerned about Djodref, I think he is posting alot, but his posts are very fluffy. I haven't played with him before, is this his style or?



However I found myself on the other side after reading that post. I'm a big fan of his approach to the thrawn claim and how he doesn't consider it worth much analysis. At the time I also like clarity's case.

I also liked this response:

On December 11 2012 07:41 Tunkeg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2012 07:36 Clarity_nl wrote:
Tunkeg how about you go do some actual scumhunting.


How about you let me scumhunt the way I want to? There is plenty of spammers in this game, who have posted alot of nonsense. I will post when I feel I have something to post, I will not be sitting here nitpicking and twisting the words of every other post.


Because at the time he considered Clarity town, which he later confirmed in his big "pseudo-martyr" post.

These posts I'm not sure about, but I don't think they're scummy at all, it's basically a list of his "defense"

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17204420
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17204519
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17204595
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17204625

I don't think Bugs's point that Tunkeg is treating him like town is valid.

I also kinda liked his martyr post.

I'm not ready to say he's conclusively town, and so many people calling him scum gives me certain pause, but those a are a few examples of the things that make me thing he's probably not scum.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 14 2012 16:30 GMT
#1727
I need to leave soon and I won't have much more time tonight, so I need to make my decision fairly soon.

herp derp herp derp, not sure what do.
Computer says mafia
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 14 2012 16:31 GMT
#1728
Your first quote about the thrawn thing: especially at that stage of the thread it was really easy to 'look good' with the approach to thrawn. I'd already basically dismissed the thrawn issue and if my memory serves, so had you. What you point out just seems so... default.

The second quote is just him being pissy. Taking on Clarity at that point would have been completely anti-productive from either a town or a scum perspective.

Why are you seeing town in these??
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22291 Posts
December 14 2012 16:33 GMT
#1729
I'll lynch VE, BL or jay.

Btw Palmar, I secretly love you.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22291 Posts
December 14 2012 16:34 GMT
#1730
So get your vote on one of these if you want mine.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 14 2012 16:34 GMT
#1731
On December 15 2012 01:31 marvellosity wrote:
Your first quote about the thrawn thing: especially at that stage of the thread it was really easy to 'look good' with the approach to thrawn. I'd already basically dismissed the thrawn issue and if my memory serves, so had you. What you point out just seems so... default.

The second quote is just him being pissy. Taking on Clarity at that point would have been completely anti-productive from either a town or a scum perspective.

Why are you seeing town in these??


I don't know, they just don't fit how I'd expect scum to play.

I'm also guilty of trying to understand what happened there on day 1. What the hell was the scum team doing? Did they try to counterwagon? if so tunkeg's hardly scum. Did they autobus adam? Why did they let adam get killed over tunkeg then? both were scum anyway.



Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 14 2012 16:37 GMT
#1732
On December 15 2012 01:33 Vivax wrote:
I'll lynch VE, BL or jay.

Btw Palmar, I secretly love you.


Why not Tunk or Djodref?
Computer says mafia
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 14 2012 16:37 GMT
#1733
On December 15 2012 01:34 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2012 01:31 marvellosity wrote:
Your first quote about the thrawn thing: especially at that stage of the thread it was really easy to 'look good' with the approach to thrawn. I'd already basically dismissed the thrawn issue and if my memory serves, so had you. What you point out just seems so... default.

The second quote is just him being pissy. Taking on Clarity at that point would have been completely anti-productive from either a town or a scum perspective.

Why are you seeing town in these??


I don't know, they just don't fit how I'd expect scum to play.

I'm also guilty of trying to understand what happened there on day 1. What the hell was the scum team doing? Did they try to counterwagon? if so tunkeg's hardly scum. Did they autobus adam? Why did they let adam get killed over tunkeg then? both were scum anyway.





You're not the only one who thought about it. I didn't come to satisfactory conclusions on that exact same question. I speculated that jaybrundage was supposed to be the scum wagon (on a townie) that day but due to inactivity, or inability to push it properly, it fizzled out and ended up on Adam and Tunkeg. Then if Tunkeg is scum, it's obviously best play for him to crucify Adam in his martyr post.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 14 2012 16:37 GMT
#1734
Not to mention I don't think Jay or BL are going to get lynched today.
Computer says mafia
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 14 2012 16:38 GMT
#1735
"crucify... martyr" - hoho! I make myself chuckle.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 14 2012 16:39 GMT
#1736
On December 15 2012 01:37 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2012 01:34 Palmar wrote:
On December 15 2012 01:31 marvellosity wrote:
Your first quote about the thrawn thing: especially at that stage of the thread it was really easy to 'look good' with the approach to thrawn. I'd already basically dismissed the thrawn issue and if my memory serves, so had you. What you point out just seems so... default.

The second quote is just him being pissy. Taking on Clarity at that point would have been completely anti-productive from either a town or a scum perspective.

Why are you seeing town in these??


I don't know, they just don't fit how I'd expect scum to play.

I'm also guilty of trying to understand what happened there on day 1. What the hell was the scum team doing? Did they try to counterwagon? if so tunkeg's hardly scum. Did they autobus adam? Why did they let adam get killed over tunkeg then? both were scum anyway.





You're not the only one who thought about it. I didn't come to satisfactory conclusions on that exact same question. I speculated that jaybrundage was supposed to be the scum wagon (on a townie) that day but due to inactivity, or inability to push it properly, it fizzled out and ended up on Adam and Tunkeg. Then if Tunkeg is scum, it's obviously best play for him to crucify Adam in his martyr post.


This is a good point and once again I visited the filter. It's interesting that Tunkeg didn't even mention Adam until the martyr post.
Computer says mafia
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 14 2012 16:41 GMT
#1737
Right, Tunkeg didn't push anything until he was forced to martyr-post. At which point he HAD to push Adam regardless. It was in his best interests to do so as both alignments, but it certainly doesn't make me town on him.

Plus I think you're biased in his favour because he said he wanted bugs dead at the time
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 14 2012 16:45 GMT
#1738
This is actually quite irritating because I tihnk we both have good reasons to be pushing our respective targets (djo/tunkeg) but one of us feels more strongly on the other and I don't know how we reconcile it.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 14 2012 16:47 GMT
#1739
Well it's strange to go from nothing to scum with no questioning or anything beforehand.

you know what. I might just run with this. I won't be around to herd the sheep anyway for tonight.

##Vote Tunkeg

This is your push now marv. Don't let BL a stupid wagon take off. Let's see what Tunkeg has to hide. The correct play is still to lynch Djodref. but whatever.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 14 2012 16:50 GMT
#1740
On December 15 2012 01:45 marvellosity wrote:
This is actually quite irritating because I tihnk we both have good reasons to be pushing our respective targets (djo/tunkeg) but one of us feels more strongly on the other and I don't know how we reconcile it.


Yeah, I can't be here to push my target, so with this latest information I hadn't noticed about Tunkeg's interactions with Adam, I'm sorta okay with heading for your wagon, it also helps I know bugs genuinely thought Tunkeg was scum.

So let's do it, I'll wait my turn for when I can be here.
Computer says mafia
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