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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
December 14 2012 13:52 GMT
#1641
palmr can you rank 1-3 how confident you were/are about each of your scum reads ( adam, wbg, djo)
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
December 14 2012 13:53 GMT
#1642
On December 14 2012 22:40 Tunkeg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2012 22:37 Djodref wrote:
On December 14 2012 22:32 Tunkeg wrote:
On December 14 2012 22:24 Palmar wrote:
I don't like the fact people aren't sheeping my Djodref case.


You should go vote VE instead!


Tunkeg, can you answer my previous question please ?
Who was seriously dumb and a possible JK ?


Every player is a possible JK. The ones I meant with serious dumb players was the ones listed in my reads thread, thrawn and vivax. You are probably seriously dumb as well. Why does it matter?


Yeah but Vivax was listed as possible scum in your list. I don't think it's possible to have the same player as possible scum and possible JK. My point is that your read on Vivax in your list was fake. You know his alignment, you know he could be JK.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 14 2012 13:53 GMT
#1643
On December 14 2012 22:48 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2012 22:26 marvellosity wrote:
that's because Tunkeg is a better lynch


But it's so dangerous, if he's a terrible lynch we have to lynch you tomorrow, which would suck


Somehow you seem to have arrived at a terribly simplistic view of playing mafia.

If we lynch Djodref and he's a terrible lynch we have to lynch you tomorrow? No, sense makes not it.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Tunkeg
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Norway1235 Posts
December 14 2012 13:56 GMT
#1644
On December 14 2012 22:53 Djodref wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2012 22:40 Tunkeg wrote:
On December 14 2012 22:37 Djodref wrote:
On December 14 2012 22:32 Tunkeg wrote:
On December 14 2012 22:24 Palmar wrote:
I don't like the fact people aren't sheeping my Djodref case.


You should go vote VE instead!


Tunkeg, can you answer my previous question please ?
Who was seriously dumb and a possible JK ?


Every player is a possible JK. The ones I meant with serious dumb players was the ones listed in my reads thread, thrawn and vivax. You are probably seriously dumb as well. Why does it matter?


Yeah but Vivax was listed as possible scum in your list. I don't think it's possible to have the same player as possible scum and possible JK. My point is that your read on Vivax in your list was fake. You know his alignment, you know he could be JK.


Yeah, thats exactly it. Damn you are a genious...

+ Show Spoiler +

On December 12 2012 02:17 Tunkeg wrote:
So I will probably lynched tonight and really I am not that bothered by it, because it will give you some good pointers on who you can trust this game, and who should be scrutinized.

Palmar is basicly confirmed town for me at this point. If he was scum he could have easily pushed me with the rest of you. As he stopped reading before he got to me in his video. If he did in fact read his PM after that video, and had flipped scum I think he would be going with the flow, and going for me. If there is a JK in this game he should definately jail Palmar to protect him from harm. He is the town that scum will be gunning for, 100%.

Adam is very likely scum at this point. I think he plays exellent as town, at least he have the games I have played with him, but is easily figured out when scum. This game he have been very vague, and unconfrontational and filled up his post with mostly nonsense. He have put out his feelers on multiple players to see if he can get something started. The kicker though is his less than convincing last post where he says I have a high chance of flipping scum. When adam says stuff like this I know he is either scum, or fed up with the game, he is to good to just put an unreasoned vote on me like that. I believe he is scum.

Clarity_nl have to be town. His play so far have been very pro-town in my eyes. All that he have done so far are screaming town to me. He asks the right kind of questions, he calls people out when he thinks they are scummy, and he have even made a little case. If he isn't town I will muchachoes surprised.

thrawn212 I have a townread on. Yes, he made a stupid joke play in the beginning. Yes he is totally missreading me, to such a degree that I find it laughable. But I think he is a stupid (in lack of a better word) townie, and not a scum player. I feel his intentions are good, but that he isn't really thinking things through. A tip for you thrawn, find some townplayer to sheep, that is pretty much the best you can do for town.

wherebugsgo is probably scum this game. You should look into him after killing adam on day 2. A part from his 80%preliminary scumread on Palmar, which is so very useless, he have basicly done nothing but trying to get me lynched while leaving numerous backdoors open which he can slide away into if his push on me fails, Adam, Munk-E. Adam being a choice he is pretty much forced to have on his list, as he is very obviously scummy. And even though wherebugsgo does anything to win an arguement, he is missrepresenting facts and twisting words to such a degree that it is ridculous. My favorite thus far is:

+ Show Spoiler +

On December 11 2012 23:56 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2012 23:42 marvellosity wrote:
On December 11 2012 23:34 wherebugsgo wrote:
alright, I'm going to ignore Palmar since he somehow finds both myself and Jay scummier than Tunkeg. The fact that he thinks that makes his opinions irrelevant.

Marv-are you still willing to kill Tunkeg? Convince me why I should kill Adam over Tunkeg, and I'll consider switching my vote. Given that they're both even right now I see no reason to switch.


Aye.

Question for you - how do you generally evaluate the play of Adam/Tunkeg? (not in this game)


generally with Adam and Tunkeg if they shy away from discussion they're probably scum. A lot of the time I find that when they are town I notice when they're present and know their opinions, and when they are scum they don't say anything useful.

Take Adam and LI for example. Adam was incredibly passive and I put him on my scumlist at some point because I kept thinking, damn, Adam isn't doing anything, but no one noticed him. (I also didn't bring attention to him because I was more concerned with VE and that stupid Toad + VE shit but this is irrelevant to my point)

Adam I know for a fact is complacent and passive as scum, and that's how his play here is. I don't feel like he has made any strong posts and he doesn't seem to have anything to contribute either.

Tunkeg tends to draw attention to himself as town (usually unintentionally) by putting forth his opinions or reads or doing things that people don't like for whatever reason. I know I myself have chewed him out for doing things like that. I don't recall ever playing with him when he was scum, but I imagine that his scum play is similar to most other players lately; just really complacent and passive.





Where he actually knows my scummeta without me ever having played scum on here. That is pretty impressive, and twisty, and made up, and bs...

When someone goes after me like WBG have done in this game I usually ask myself: scummy or stupid? I think WBG's townplay is above avarage for sure, and I don't think he is as stupid as his posts in this game makes him out to be. So the conclusion is that he is scum.

jaybrundage is scummy to me as I previously stated. He haven't posted much since, but I still find his posts very very fluffy and without content. He is unwilling to commit to any of his "reads" and he contradicts himself within the same posts, like:

+ Show Spoiler +

On December 10 2012 12:27 jaybrundage wrote:
I swear to god if thrawn doesnt explain him self. Hes the most anti town player i have seen in a while. Frustrating really. I am only hesitant to vote him because i dont like early bandwagons in general.

It hurts the conversation and shit to read if we all are voting the same person. Regardless of how unlogical his claims maybe (for town). Thrawn can you please drop your sharade and just attempt to explain your reasoning. Or as i said before your gonna get lynched



Djodref I am leaning scum on, for all the same reasons as before. He have made his fair share of posts, but all I see in them is .................. ....................... ........................... (nothingness). He also made a case on me that is less than weak.

Vivax I am back to a neutral stance on. I am not sure wheather his questions have been made to look active, or if he is just lazy, stupid and reads bad enough to not see that his questions have allready been answered previously. Also a player that if town, should find a good townie to just sheep.

The rest is pretty much under the radar for me. But I would be watching VE when he pops up again, he is quite easy to read when he starts posting.

##Vote Adam

PS: I'll stick around for awhile, playing some Dota, and I might pop in and answer you if I feel the need to do so. If I don't it is either because your question is stupid, I find you stupid/annoying and are ignoring you or that I simply missed it. Anyways, feel free to lynch me, at least then you know Palmar is pretty much confirmed town. This is probably of more value to the town than me sticking around. Remember to protect him from nighthits if you do this, and you will win this easypeasy.



Now try READING what I wrote on Vivax, THINK about it and then try again.

I take back what I said about you. You aren't possible stupid, you are stupid. Regardless of allignment...
Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
December 14 2012 14:09 GMT
#1645
My filter sucks so anyway,

I think Clarity is town. I don't give a fuck even though he thinks I'm scum, it's his responsibility when I get mislynched.

Scum target later but right now I'm looking at Djordef
Roses Are Red, Violets Are Blue, Radiation Is Good Because Nuclear bombs go BOOM | I love TL Mafia! ♥ http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 ♥| Mvp is most boss
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
December 14 2012 14:11 GMT
#1646
need more plz
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21965 Posts
December 14 2012 14:29 GMT
#1647
I've looked at Palmars case against djodref, it looked pretty good initially, I almost wanted to just sheep it, then I went through djos filter myself.

Well, yeah, he has first soft-, then hard-defended Adam before the lynch. In my big post against jay I interpreted that as townie since it was so ballsy, and he was not the only one. Me, VE and clarity posted "I'm willing to lynch jay over Adam" (Or Tunkeg, can't recall).

Anyway, I found two posts that give me the impression he's town, although you might find the reasons strange.

On December 12 2012 08:43 Djodref wrote:
I'll switch back my vote to Tunkeg if you guys change your mind last minute for the time I'm taking a shower !

##Unvote
##Vote Tunkeg



On December 12 2012 09:06 Djodref wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2012 08:57 debears wrote:
On December 12 2012 08:43 Djodref wrote:
I'll switch back my vote to Tunkeg if you guys change your mind last minute for the time I'm taking a shower !

##Unvote
##Vote Tunkeg


Djo you really don't want to lynch Adam huh?


It's not that, I just really don't think he is our best lynch today. I thought the deadline was at 9am Korea also.
I've got to go to work now. I hope you guys are right about Adam...


So, actually, I agree with Djo on this argument he gave to his accusations:

On December 12 2012 14:37 Djodref wrote:
-cut-
It would have been easier and safer for scum me to bus Adam because I had given me this escape route before when I said that I didn't mind an Adam lynch. Ok, this is WIFOM, but you should know that my behavior before the lynch points towards a town Djodref and not a scum Djodref.


Also, I liked this post:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953&currentpage=69#1377
What I didn't like much about it is that it's full of townreads, rather obvious ones.

With exception of marv, whom I prefer to never consider to be town.


Anyway, I'm not down for a djo lynch either.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 14 2012 14:31 GMT
#1648
Vivax, you break my heart </3
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21965 Posts
December 14 2012 14:31 GMT
#1649
I think it's time to look for scum in places where you wouldn't expect it, like Palmar and marv, for example.
They need a healthy portion of attention.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 14 2012 14:32 GMT
#1650
You do realise, Vivax, that people receive attention when they deserve attention?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21965 Posts
December 14 2012 14:34 GMT
#1651
Or maybe I just suck lol
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 14 2012 14:35 GMT
#1652
well, we take that as a given dear <3
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 14 2012 14:36 GMT
#1653
Vivax, do you actually think jay has a higher chance of flipping scum than BL? (your previous choice)
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 14 2012 14:37 GMT
#1654
eh shit, I missed your spoiler. I've been trolled :<
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
December 14 2012 14:38 GMT
#1655
Vivax, I don't understand why the posts you pointed out are townie, I only see that you 'like' for no reason and agree with one of his posts.
Roses Are Red, Violets Are Blue, Radiation Is Good Because Nuclear bombs go BOOM | I love TL Mafia! ♥ http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 ♥| Mvp is most boss
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 14 2012 14:42 GMT
#1656
On December 14 2012 23:38 Bluelightz wrote:
Vivax, I don't understand why the posts you pointed out are townie, I only see that you 'like' for no reason and agree with one of his posts.


Don't try to understand, effectively Vivax said he liked Djodref's wifom defence, and he liked a post except he gave reasons he disliked it.

I'm more interested in where his scumread is actually going to end up, or if he's really sticking with jay.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
December 14 2012 14:45 GMT
#1657
Addressing grush57 on his posts about me

On December 13 2012 05:42 grush57 wrote:
Why are you guys thinking that Bugs is scum. :'(
He isn't.
Djordef is scum.
So is Vivax.
But I would also like to think that Bluelightz is scum. But that doesn't make sense if Vivax is scum.
So Djor + Vivax/BlueLightz + someone who isnt grush!!!!!!!!!
GO GO VIGILANTES

On December 14 2012 05:39 grush57 wrote:
So much scummy play this game I'm not even considered a lynch.
No one is paying attention to me :'(.
:'(
:'(
Star...senses....faaaaaaaaadiiiiiiiiing
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
COME BACK BABY
I <3 YOU
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
Wait?
What is this?
Logic?
What?
Proper intelligence?
What?
100 IQ?
WHAT

ANYWAYS VE is playing super illogical, but he seems like an honest townie.
I don't know about Tunkeg he could either be bad town or scum.
Clarity is town.
Djordef never mentioned scumbuddy Adam and DIRECTLY tried to counterlynch bandwagon. That play is so bad as scum that is the only thing saving him. I am up for lynching him.
I'm also for lynching Bluelightz because his play is extremely bad/scummy. Plus the fact that out of all the vets, I find him by far the most scummy and mafia usually has atleast 1 vet.


1. "Bluelightz is scum because Vivax isn't." Is this a lie or is there some definitive proof?

2. Why is my play extremely bad/scummy? And I'm quite sure roles are RNG'ed...

Roses Are Red, Violets Are Blue, Radiation Is Good Because Nuclear bombs go BOOM | I love TL Mafia! ♥ http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 ♥| Mvp is most boss
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21965 Posts
December 14 2012 14:46 GMT
#1658
I'd vote for both of them.
The only difference is that BLs filter is small and looks bad, jay's filter is big and looks bad.

Also, I thought you hate dangly things, so I'm not answering this question to do you* a favour, sweetheart.
+ Show Spoiler +
*but especially myself


In any case, I'd vote for BL over Z-Boson.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
December 14 2012 14:46 GMT
#1659
I just want to point out that mafia will never shoot djodref, if clarity's claim is legit we've probably also used our only non-lynch kill.

Do you want this guy alive and kicking down the line? It's strictly the wrong play not to lynch him. Even if he somehow flips town, it's wrong not lynch him. No one should ever not be lynched after getting caught lying trying to hide the fact he was trying to defend scum. It's the most obvious lie since I've seen in a mafia game for a long time.

That being said, I guess it's time I look at other people. But really, give this a thought. Do you want to have to think about Djodref in lylo?
Computer says mafia
Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
December 14 2012 14:47 GMT
#1660
On December 14 2012 23:46 Vivax wrote:
I'd vote for both of them.
The only difference is that BLs filter is small and looks bad, jay's filter is big and looks bad.

Also, I thought you hate dangly things, so I'm not answering this question to do you* a favour, sweetheart.
+ Show Spoiler +
*but especially myself


In any case, I'd vote for BL over Z-Boson.


Effectively, the post I wanted you to explain is useless if then.
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