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yamato77
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DarthPunk
Australia10847 Posts
AxleGreaser (2) - Rad, Sylencia Rad (4) - AxleGreaser, Kickstart, Yamato77, jidolboy Not voting: Arnarnion You have ~ 15 hours left to vote. | ||
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Kickstart
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Sylencia
Australia1057 Posts
##vote jidolboy Doing this to show who I suspect, still seems suspicious as hell to me, Arn just looks like he is afk. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10847 Posts
AxleGreaser (1) - Rad Rad (4) - AxleGreaser, Kickstart, Yamato77, jidolboy jidolboy (1) Sylencia Not voting: Arnarnion You have ~ 14 hours left to vote. | ||
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Arnarnion
Canada39 Posts
But enough of my excuses, I'm going to look through the thread right now, but is there any current topics of controversy that you guys would like me to address? | ||
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
On December 08 2012 23:26 Arnarnion wrote: Guys, I'm really sorry about my absence from the thread, I'm in exam and essay crunch time right now and so my mind has been a bit preoccupied. At the same time, I've recently having pretty unpleasant computer issues which mainly involve it shutting down entirely at random points. But enough of my excuses, I'm going to look through the thread right now, but is there any current topics of controversy that you guys would like me to address? Are you here? | ||
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AxleGreaser
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AxleGreaser
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
As you have observed Rad sometimes real Life gets in the way. I will be going out soon for the evening. I see other people think it is interesting too. next time I get chance i will check the thread and see if there some logical reasoning i have missed. I really dont think so. I will however happily read any coherent argument you can discuss with anyone that wants to talk to you. One reason those things happen is because they do. Thos were my thoughts at that time. Right now if there is some here chatting would be helpful. | ||
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
Like most things they, have multiple interpretations but because they are all on related topics comapring them carefully is good. Firstly, but i will come back to that. + Show Spoiler + On December 08 2012 19:24 Kickstart wrote: Well I am off to bed, should be back before lynch time (though I am prone to sleeping for excessively long periods of time). I do hope to see more from especially arnarnion and jidolboy when I wake, though almost everyone (maybe not Axle or myself :D) could stand to post a bit more. Secondly, arnion does some actual scum hunting. + Show Spoiler + On December 08 2012 19:35 Sylencia wrote: ##unvote ##vote jidolboy Doing this to show who I suspect, still seems suspicious as hell to me, Arn just looks like he is afk. Lastly Arnarnion makes a claim about what he is going to do then does not do it. That is a larger claim + Show Spoiler + On December 08 2012 23:26 Arnarnion wrote: Guys, I'm really sorry about my absence from the thread, I'm in exam and essay crunch time right now and so my mind has been a bit preoccupied. At the same time, I've recently having pretty unpleasant computer issues which mainly involve it shutting down entirely at random points. But enough of my excuses, I'm going to look through the thread right now, but is there any current topics of controversy that you guys would like me to address? That is a relatively expensive thing to do. It is either bad play or he knows he has some credibility to spend. Arnion thinks a Town should go look at the thread. ========= At most Only one of the three posters is scum. The odd one out came first. The second one came second and cast a different interpretation on what should be done cheaply. Arnion who goes last emphasizes his claim, making it expensive to do casts the deciding vote for me. Conclusion: The first advice which was given both to himself and me is wrong. Why he did that is again up to you to fathom. It produced the right result, was it slip or an expensive attempt then endorsed by the others it is also in my opinion wrong, you need to form your own conclusions by examining what I saw. It also makes sense to me that I need to do things Now. As indicated I dont go well when its going fast. If there is an error in what I have done, and i got lynched but we are not then certain of the win, I need to do what i can now to make that happen. | ||
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On December 08 2012 19:24 Kickstart wrote: Well I am off to bed, should be back before lynch time (though I am prone to sleeping for excessively long periods of time). I do hope to see more from especially arnarnion and jidolboy when I wake, though almost everyone (maybe not Axle or myself :D) could stand to post a bit more. Advice that is wrong for at least one of us, because now only one can be scum. It also, provides an excuse for an arbitrarily long absence. fos KickStart Earlier http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17159067 when I started flopping around KickStart Said This http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17159150 Not voting and not actively looking for scum does not help town. but now for some reason http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17173145 though almost everyone (maybe not Axle or myself :D) could stand to post a bit more. Whats stranger is this time, it is only post a bit more and not hunt for scum. FOS KickStart Hey KickStart are you there? | ||
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Rad
United States935 Posts
Did you know what you were getting yourself into when you signed up? I wouldn't even consider playing mafia during a time like "exam and essay crunch time." What are your thoughts on jidolboy? He's slightly more lurker than you. Are you able to get any sort of read on him, one way or the other? Of the main topics going on right now - myself as possible scum, scum hiding as a lurker, axle as destructive to town, which do you think is most important looking into right now considering we have about ~7.5 hours before lynch? Or do you think our focus should be on something else? Did you get a chance to look through the thread? Did you come up with any observations you could share with us? Who's your top scum read? | ||
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Rad
United States935 Posts
I see you do not consider kick confirmed town. Do you think a scenario exists where kick busses oats that early in the game? Do you think that would have been a smart scum play considering how the game was playing out at the time of his vote on oats? | ||
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Rad
United States935 Posts
On December 08 2012 17:21 jidolboy wrote: I was always suspicious of Rad (his and it seems the majority has the same feeling so I will vote against him as well unless someone tells me to do otherwise ##Vote:Rad Also, I apologize for lacking in something original . I can't seem up to come up anything conclusive or hard evidence when I read through their filter. And when I think I did, someone else had already said it long time ago :l I'm too gullible and overlook things too quickly @Sylencia If you think me piggybacking CC is suspicious, then do you think it would have been less scummy if I piggybacked Oats because majority did so at the time I voted? Again, I didn't have anything valuable to bring up because other people did Take a glance through your filter. You've never once mentioned me in terms of a scum read. Why did you hide this suspicion the entire game (since you've ALWAYS been suspicious of me)? Back when you wanted me to PM you for your scum read, what were you going to tell me? Certainly you wouldn't have said "HAHA! YOU are my biggest scum read, scum!!" If you piggybacked oats back then, don't ya think that might be a little bit too obvious? O.o So if everyone was voting yamato right now, would my name be replaced with his, since you seem to vote based on other people's votes? Which person in this game has the most power over your vote right now, since you're open to be told what to do? On December 08 2012 17:42 jidolboy wrote: @Sylencia I see what your'e saying, but it was a gut feeling that kept lasted even though he provided reason why he did it. Like I'm still suspicious of him defending Oats but he told us proofs that seemed ok. I thought to myself that repeating an and using that kind of evidence is no good when trying to convince people. You may call me a sheep but if someone more open-minded opinion on a person on my radar then I agree with him, and it seems everyone I agreed to had better knowledge than me  Just my playstyle I suppose. If you guys think I am a scum, then I don't mind getting lynched, but on D3 please. I want at least see how D2 goes My "proofs seemed ok", so why exactly are you voting me again? Just because other people are? Do you care who gets lynched? On December 08 2012 17:56 jidolboy wrote: Well, I've never asked for a lynch  (Although I kinda feel useless to the town ATM)I'm just trying to say that I've got to learn from my mistake and become a better player next time I play On December 08 2012 17:59 jidolboy wrote: :o I'll try Have you tried anything yet? If not, when do you think you'll get a chance to try? By d3 when we've mislynched and you're ready to step it up? What mistakes do you feel you've made? Can they be rectified in this game or must they wait until later? | ||
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
by actual I mean casts a vote | ||
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Arnarnion
Canada39 Posts
With regards to jidolboy, I don't really know, he hasn't offered a lot of to the conversation (of which I am also guilty) and his recurring quick response time to requests of his presence looks bad given how little he says. But I also think that these are more examples of an uncomfortable newb player than scum, because wouldn't scum be vocal if attention was being brought to their scumminess and be trying to sway the towns opinion away from looking at them? I think he's just new and uncomfortable but I could be wrong. I really find Axle a confusing influence on discussion in the game, I really can't say whether or not he's scum, and I think if no consensus can be reached on who is scum today, that he should be the one to go. Because honestly, he says a lot without stimulating much clearly useful discussion to finding scum. I would like some explanation on why everyone seems so comfortable calling Yamato town at this point, though. Given his behavior of solely providing one read all of D1 and saying that we were all delusional for wanting to play with Axle, it seems strange that he would abandon that viewpoint so quickly at the beginning of N1 and then finally start giving his reads on players that weren't Axle. In fact, if you look at his reasoning for voting Rad: On December 08 2012 15:39 yamato77 wrote: Yeah all my reads on the lurkers are town, even though they all show very little interest in the game. Pressure on them goes basically nowhere, either, because they don't seem dodgy or uncooperative. Axle, although sometimes incomprehensible, seems to be trying to solve the game and give us information to work with so he's probably town. You're basically confirmed town. So I guess Rad is definitely the scummiest. ##Vote Rad He only decides to pick Rad because of a feeble process of elimination, and he does not provide with us why he thinks Rad is scum, only that every one else probably isn't, and pretty much sheeps Kicks vote. Does anyone else feel like this is somewhat suspicious? Why is only now that he is trying to push anything besides the easiest scum choice? I find this really fishy, and think it reads as scum 2 trying to pull in the slack that comes from being the only scum left. So that is where my vote is going ##Vote: Yamato77. I think that the push on Rad is an easy vote because he got caught on the wrong side of the flip and that voting him is an easy thing for scum to capitalize on. | ||
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sour_eraser
Canada932 Posts
1. Take a glance through your filter. You've never once mentioned me in terms of a scum read. Why did you hide this suspicion the entire game (since you've ALWAYS been suspicious of me)? Back when you wanted me to PM you for your scum read, what were you going to tell me? Certainly you wouldn't have said "HAHA! YOU are my biggest scum read, scum!!" I've already said I can't seem up to come up anything conclusive or hard evidence when I read through their filter. And when I think I did, someone else had already said it long time ago :l Ya. If I PMed you a scum read then I would have included everyone If you piggybacked oats back then, don't ya think that might be a little bit too obvious? O.o How explain. 2. So if everyone was voting yamato right now, would my name be replaced with his, since you seem to vote based on other people's votes? Which person in this game has the most power over your vote right now, since you're open to be told what to do? I've already said You may call me a sheep but if someone more open-minded opinion on a person on my radar then I agree with him, and it seems everyone I agreed to had better knowledge than me 3.[quote]My "proofs seemed ok", so why exactly are you voting me again? Just because other people are? Do you care who gets lynched?[/quote I've said [quote]I was always suspicious of Rad (his and it seems the majority has the same feeling so I will vote against him as well unless someone tells me to do otherwise[/quote] I'm getting a scummy vibe from you so are others therefore I'm voting against you. And of course I care who gets lynched. If I didn't, then I would have voted for Axlegrease when 2 people had already voted for him in D2 4.[quote]Have you tried anything yet? If not, when do you think you'll get a chance to try? By d3 when we've mislynched and you're ready to step it up? What mistakes do you feel you've made? Can they be rectified in this game or must they wait until later?[/quote] Unfortunately, I had not try anything much yet because [quote] I can't seem up to come up anything conclusive or hard evidence when I read through their filter. And when I think I did, someone else had already said it long time ago :l I'm too gullible and overlook things too quickly[/quote]. I think it's somewhat late to step it up during Day D2 since it seems votes are fixed on to you. | ||
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sour_eraser
Canada932 Posts
Care to explain why you think Sylencia is more of a town other than the reason "He provided list of reasons"? It seems you are targeting us easy lurkers to get lynched instead of active players for some reason | ||
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sour_eraser
Canada932 Posts
If I decide to vote jidolboy or arn, I will back my vote up with sufficient reasoning I am still waiting for sufficient reasoning. I think it will be good idea to post your evidence before you get lynched. So the town will have greater idea who the scum is if we mislynched you | ||
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