EPTNewbie Mini Mafia XXXII - Page 71
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Stutters695
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JacobStrangelove
Australia1572 Posts
On December 15 2012 10:54 Chromatically wrote: ^ awesome post right there edit: Axle's post, two posts up I would argue my post was awesome as well. However yes I agree. | ||
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Sylencia
Australia1057 Posts
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
On the D2 no-lynch: never ever do that. It was awful. No lynch is only ever an acceptable choice in MYLO and even there I would not always suggest it. If you need me to explain this I will but I hope you all understand. Sylencia, while I don't disagree with Yamato being inconsistent (he was) you need to focus on the mentality behind his inconsistent behaviour. When you get down to it Rad's association with Oats was much scummier than Yam's rage quit attack on Axle. XXXIII is open for sign ups; any and all of you are welcome to join. We have one space left, I look forward to watching you all play in the future. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
 GJ. You deserved the win. | ||
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annul
United States2841 Posts
axlegrinder: troll? smurf? or are you dropping tabs 24/7? | ||
yamato77
11589 Posts
Sorry Axle, I'm not trying to be mean but my patience for this game wore out. It's not your fault, it's mine. Thank you to the coaches for your help. And to the hosts for the game. | ||
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Sylencia
Australia1057 Posts
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
Major points from day one(if you read nothing else read this). • The purpose of a policy lynch is to force a policy on all players • Anger does not serve you well while playing mafia • 'too scummy to be scum' is a terrible heuristic • Townies do not buddy each other like Rad and Oats did • Read the OP of the game you play in the rest of my analysis is good and you should read it because I spent time writing it but yeah. That is what you should walk away with. Edit: Hapa has said that he will write up something about no-lynches which I hope he does. In the mean time I wanted to talk about Jidol's named vt game and the best way to have played that out. Jidol is essentially a mod confirm-able townie, scum cannot claim as the named vt after one of them has flipped because that will be a one-for-one trade scum for ton which doesn't work well when there is only one scum left. If Jidol had not claimed he would not have been the confirmed town to hit, if he had held off until lylo he could have claimed and made both remaining players prove to him that they were town. There was nothing to be gained by claiming when he did. Jidol, you should think about two things when claiming: how does this benefit me and town and how does this harm me and town. You thought about the latter but not the former. If you had a big case and wanted to be sheeped claiming might have been a good idea, or if you were being lynched it would have been a good idea but because you did not gain anything by claiming you should have kept your role to yourself. | ||
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Rad
United States935 Posts
1. Town needs to be more active. I almost lost this game due to a quiet town, but I adapted and won because of it. Out of the gate I wanted to be very talkative, pushing discussion, etc, but because town was so quiet I was easier to read because there were less of us doing the talking. A more experienced scum player, I think, would likely notice the quiet town and try to blend in with it. If I did that at the beginning, I think I a) don't piss off kick, b) don't show as much of an association with oats, and c) just become yet another lurker in a game of lurkers. At that point, I can take my time and really make sure what I'm saying isn't scummy. 2. Policy lynch on lurker is, at least in my opinion, really necessary. You need to let it be known that that shit is not acceptable, and then you can decide later whether or not you want to go through with it if it turns up. D2 lynch, if not me, should have probably been a lurker, because you need to keep things moving. So for those who were unsure of me, consolidating on a lurker lynch would have at least made this game go in a different direction (if you lynch arn d2, you don't lynch him d3, and I'm a much better candidate on that day because I've had to talk more, and am now worried that I might get lynched if I lurk too much). 3. Don't give up! I lose this game after d1 lynch if I gave up when I thought I should. Town lost this game because you gave up (well, mainly because of lurkers, but also this). 4. Question your reads. Confirmation bias goes both ways, you can sit there and think someone is scum the entire game or town the entire game just because you keep reading stuff with that frame of mind. Anyway, probably bad advice in there but just my thoughts ^^ Some personal notes: arn - I really felt bad for you because I knew your lack of time was genuine, so sorry for capitalizing on that <3 I hope you come back to play because your misreads on the situation felt a lot like my own when I'm town, and you'll get better and have more fun the more you do it. sylencia - felt bad for you also because you were confirmation biased the entire game due to me being too scummy to be scum, but don't feel too bad, cause I hard defended scum clarity for the entirety of NMMXXX and was absolutely sure 2/3 of the scum from NMMXXIX were town (dandel and CC) axle - you are going to be one seriously scary player, I can tell. No one had me more worried this game than you and I tried my hardest to discredit you any time I could. Apologies <3 A word of advice though, think to yourself, not to the thread  Also, I was right in the NMMXXXI QT wasn't I?yamato and kick - lighten up :D We're going to get into fights as fellow townies one day! kick - glhf with your scum meta in the future because you were soooo different than your last NMM. I wonder if you'd have caught on to me if I didn't attack your joke though, so realize that town can do that stuff too (TBH I do think I'd have jumped on it if I was town) yamato - your red with anger was really clearly town to me, so I'm looking forward to seeing you as scum one day to see the differences :D I think it'll be hard to fake your giving up on the game, which you clearly showed and worried the shit out of me end of the game. I was waiting for people to start second guessing whether you were scum, and I think if you had put in just a bit more effort you could have done that. Check out NMMXXX end of D1 where town CC fucks up and gets lynched, but his frantic begging at the end was so clearly town to me. I really feel like at least putting your emotional self out there for others to read is a good town move to do, granted, I would have done the same back, but at least they would have had a real you vs a fake me to work with. jidolboy - you've clearly got good, smart reads, and I saw you start to break out of your shell near the end. You shouldn't worry much about obsing, but rather, just play more and more because the only thing holding you back is your level of participation. You sheeped correctly, but that doesn't make you look town, and if you hadn't been named VT I think you would have been an easy target for me, regardless of your good reads. CC - too good, you're out of the newbie league, shoo oats - rofl too fun, especially once we got on irc and started working together, I totally love your just throw shit out there attitude and if you refine it you should become much harder to read (so, good and bad depending on your alignment at the time ^^) Alright guys, had fun, GG | ||
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sour_eraser
Canada932 Posts
@Pro. Hehe. I just claimed it because the situation was becoming desperate (:p) so I was like fuck it, I'll claim now so they have less choices on who to lynch. How nooby of me | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
You guys are right, I was in no position to complain. I got frustrated with the game but there's no reason to do what I did. I gave up on a game I could have won because I let my anger cloud my better judgement. Also I need to play less scummy. For real. | ||
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
Not particularly important but I thought I'd point it out. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On December 15 2012 10:50 AxleGreaser wrote: Well what can I say, that was an experience. I felt arggh, I felt laughter, I felt many things. One thing is true I learn from everything I do, I just cant help doing that. Normally the chant is play play play, I am me I know me best of all, for now I play best slow, first I must digest what I have learned. Normally before people play even once I suspect they do a certain amount of concrete learning about what is normal so they don't make a mess. I think I might thus go back and do things in a more normal order. However I am relatively sure I played a novel game of mafia, and some people like new things best of all. Apparently some people like me like them a lot. I felt nervous as soon as I signed /in. Clicking on the obs link looks even more ominous. Well what doesn't kill you makes you stronger and I am tougher than I look so obs link it is for me. This time a little wiser I hope. Basically, Its all good. GLHF Axel... out of curiosity, is English your first language? If not, are you phrasing English in your native tongue / doing a Google translate etc? I ask because I had a lot of trouble interpretting your phrasing, i thought this may have been a game tactic. However, now that you are expressing your thoughts freely, I still feel the same struggle. | ||
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
On December 15 2012 15:00 Aquanim wrote: Just to mention, I noticed in both this game and XXXI that the OP doesn't get updated much past day1 (who's alive, important posts, etc.) Not particularly important but I thought I'd point it out. HOW DARE YOU. Yeah, I'm actually gonna do that right now. brb | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Anyway, I felt that town got lazy after I got lynched and CC died and was way too intent about axles posting. Kinda like in acme where town lost a won game because they got lazy. I think that scum should never surrender. Never. Last game when kick start and helo were scum, I would've started second guessing myself if they had put up an alternative candidate or to just defend theirself. GG, i look forward to playing with you guys in the future | ||
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