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debears
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Keirathi
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On December 05 2012 06:44 austinmcc wrote: To some extent here Keirathi, you're ... not backing up far enough. Part of your argument here is that you know Marv well enough to know that he didn't think WBG was scum during N1. Yes, you've got some reason to think that, but you've also got to understand you're two generations removed. You're relying on yourself being able to interpret marv's actions/thoughts. You're also relying on marv's thoughts being correct. Doesn't mean that your arguments shouldn't be given weight, but you need to recognize that you're stringing two possibilities together here in order to get to your argument, and we can't be certain about either. I'm not relying on marv's thoughts being correct, I'm relying on them giving reasonable doubt to a WBG lynch to push the person that I actually think is scum: ShiaoPi. Do you not agree with me (or sandroba for that matter), that ShiaoPi has basically blended in for as long as he could, sheeping onto all of the major bandwagons? | ||
Blazinghand
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Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
On December 05 2012 06:04 debears wrote: But what about his flaming of the town despite him not even being at lynch because he was playing dota? What kind of town motivations are there for that? Actually, I think that's a null tell at worst. What reason would there be for Mafia to bash the town and gather negative attention for literally zero gain? There's no Mafia motivation for that. Not really a town motivation either, but it fits better with a frustrated townie than a scheming ("hey I'm gonna demolarize town by insulting them, how clever") Mafia. For example, this is from one of my newbie games. A frustrated townie is... bashing the town, because he is frustrated. There's a decent chance the exact same thing happened here as well. On April 14 2012 13:23 Dittert wrote: Okay, so I leave this morning feeling pretty good about our chance to lynch a mafia member, and I come back to this. Oh, btw, while I was gone I went to work where I got jerked around by several clients, had a meeting with an accountant who gave me terrible news, had a spat with my fiance, and found out I have to move out of my current house much sooner than I anticipated. So it's been a banner day... Now I log on from my fiance's shitty netbook that I can barely type on and I find this garbage? Here's my read: you're all a bunch of idiots. Seriously. All I hear about is how "such and such FEELS scummy/townie to me." After 3 or less games of mafia, what makes you think your intuition is worth anything? I'll bet you FEEL like you're constantly producing SCV's too, and I bet you're in the bronze league. For everyone who saw Brood's play as "so obviously mafia/scumslip," what do you think of your judgement now? As I mentioned before, I thought Brood was just kind of bad town (or as I said, "says some really stupid shit"). What irks me is that before I left, we had a pretty good case going against willz and a general ##FoS pointed at yomi. Once willz started posting more, everyone seemed to think that he must be town (why does posting more mean you're town, especially when posts with any kind of substance whatsoever came after Acro and myself built a strong case against him). Okay, so if you're convinced willz is town, why not vote for yomi? Yomi didn't even really have a defense, and I don't understand why everyone switched off of him. From now on, I would appreciate it if everyone read every post and ignored all of their feelings. Feelings are for little girls. Use your brain. Does post X make sense if so and so is town? What about if they're mafia? Do I see a pattern of posting between people? Remember that the mafia are coordinating with each other. Can you pick out anything that looks like coordination between 3 people? If you think so and so is mafia, with whom are they working? Can you construct a consistent and compelling story about what might be happening in the thread? Are you willing to assume that most people are just chattering townies (which is statistically true)? And for everyone who consistently says that my logic is dumb, my posts are bad, and my reads are wrong, my only read on brood was that he was a townie doing dumb stuff. Looks like I'm 1 for 1, or 2 for 2 if you count the townie part and the dumb stuff (like making a "scumslip" at the last minute) as 2 separate things. For the love of god, will the vig please shoot yomi or willz tonight so we can get some real info? Thanks. Mods, if the tone of this post is too harsh, let me know and I will tone it down in the future. | ||
Blazinghand
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debears
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Here's one of my scum games. I got town cred for this because of the same argument you used On October 27 2012 09:43 debears wrote: Very impressive guys We lynch the fucking jailkeeper, and all I see is "he should of claimed" and "hrm". What the hell? This isn't suspicious as hell. Inig was at the top of the vote column and then suddenly this dauod lynch gains momentum for reasons that differed slightly from Inig's case? Not only that, he wasn't there to defend himself and NO ONE ELSE WAS DEFENDING HIM FFS. How is that not a sign of town???? WHY THE FUCK WOULD MAFIA BUS SOMEONE LIKE HIM WHEN INIG WAS THE LEADING VOTE GETTER. Is it not telling how suddenly momentum on Dauod came about? Inig comes in and says some stuff and everyone goes "oh he's noob town obviously". Just awesome. double FOS Inig I'm going to fucking cool off so I don't shoot myself. I'll look over the thead and figure this out FOS anyone who voted for Inig | ||
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On December 05 2012 06:47 Keirathi wrote: I'm not relying on marv's thoughts being correct, I'm relying on them giving reasonable doubt to a WBG lynch to push the person that I actually think is scum: ShiaoPi. Do you not agree with me (or sandroba for that matter), that ShiaoPi has basically blended in for as long as he could, sheeping onto all of the major bandwagons? There's been some blending in/low activity. I see him poking at BH D1, voting BH. I don't see him jump on marv when marv pops up (and felt enough pressure that he claimed). I don't see him jumping on DYH. I don't see him jumping on DP. Some of that is absence, but he ABSOLUTELY doesn't "sheep onto all of the major bandwagons" D1. When he returns, he does not that he's watching marv and DYH (weren't we all?), and that he's concerned about BH and xatalos. Then today I see him on you at first, later swapping to WBG. His last post is something that jumps out at me: On December 05 2012 01:06 ShiaoPi wrote: Hey Xata, What made that 180°-turn from this: to I can't even comprehend this at all. also your last thing about emotions and stuff is utter trash, I am reacting the way I am since you guys are fucking retarded to lynch me over bugs..... LOOK AT THIS KEIRATHI. Here is a dude who is set to be lynched. He is one of TWO candidates for today. He had a scumread on you earlier, and was watching Xatalos after D1. Instead of piling on WBG, instead of defending himself further, what's he doing. He's scumhunting, in a way that's not related to today's lynch and that shows he's trying to solve the game rather than stay alive. He's wondering why one suspect he had has suddenly changed a read on a player he's also suspicious of, based on ShiaoPi's own posting. I actually really think that post looks townie, in that he's still trying to get a read on Xatalos and figure Xatalos out. | ||
Blazinghand
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wbg also is always an aggro player the fact he posfs a lot thos game is nkt a tosn tell | ||
Blazinghand
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Blazinghand
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DoYouHas
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##Unvote Shiaopi ##Vote WhereBugsGo This whole situation is stupid. WBG should serve as a better wakeup call than Shiaopi to illustrate my point, sry bugs. | ||
debears
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MrZentor
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Blazinghand
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explain now before flip | ||
DoYouHas
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debears
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Blazinghand
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Keirathi
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WBG and I are MASONS Now can we please vote ShiaoPi for the love of god? | ||
DoYouHas
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Blazinghand
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