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debears
United States2516 Posts
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On December 05 2012 06:18 austinmcc wrote: HYPOTHETICAL LAND. You're scum this game. WBG is town. WBG and sandroba are both vets with solid scumhunting credentials. sandroba not a lynch option, because he looks townie. Aren't you going to make the play to try and get WBG lynched? If that's true, in the same way we've looked at "someone voting for x probably scum," there is almost certainly scum on WBG if he's town. Saves you an early NK on someone you were going to have to get rid of, and you let town do most of the heavy lifting. Do you agree with that thought process, that scum would be delighted to mislynch town WBG today? If so, who, out of the folks on WBG, do you think is scum? FOLLOW UP TO THIS I know I mentioned Zealos and ShiaoPi D1. A couple other folks mentioned ShiaoPi D1 as looking off/being absent/whatever. ShiaoPi is exactly the kind of candidate I'd be pushing if I were scum today. There were some mild comments about him D1, you know he doesn't look great, you just have to tip things over the edge. I think that given D1, ShiaoPi would be the easiest mislynch to push (One of the main vote-getters from D1 appears to be an honest-to-goodness vigi, a possible mislynch may be modkilled, lazermonkey would be your real other option if you didn't want to whip up a frenzy on an altogether new target). That's one reason I'm not comfrotable with ShiaoPi today. (btw Keirathi, that's exactly what scumAustin would have done today, followed up on ShiaoPi D1 suspicions by lining him up for a mislynch (if he's town)). | ||
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
NEVERRRRR On December 01 2012 10:18 marvellosity wrote: ##unvote ##vote: wherebugsgo | ||
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
On December 05 2012 06:18 Keirathi wrote: @austin: You seem to be hung up on WBG fighting with marv. Did you go read Rockband? I believe I know marv as well as probably almost anyone on TL. If he gets in a fight in thread with someone, and thinks they are scum, he would be yelling about it up and down. The fact that he didn't call WBG scum even once says that marv thought WBG was town, and that they were just bashing egos against each other. Now, I certainly don't think marv's reads are infallible, but at the very least it gives me pause to voting WBG. Marv is quick to call someone scum who does something he thinks is scum motivated, even if he changes his mind later. Do you think, as an outside observer of the fight, you have better insight into WBG's motives than who he was fighting with? | ||
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DoYouHas
United States1140 Posts
On December 05 2012 06:18 austinmcc wrote: HYPOTHETICAL LAND. You're scum this game. WBG is town. WBG and sandroba are both vets with solid scumhunting credentials. sandroba not a lynch option, because he looks townie. Aren't you going to make the play to try and get WBG lynched? If that's true, in the same way we've looked at "someone voting for x probably scum," there is almost certainly scum on WBG if he's town. Saves you an early NK on someone you were going to have to get rid of, and you let town do most of the heavy lifting. Do you agree with that thought process, that scum would be delighted to mislynch town WBG today? If so, who, out of the folks on WBG, do you think is scum? If I was scum, I wouldn't care which of those two got lynched. Killing Shiaopi won't make WBG's detractors go away or the other way around. WBG is the stronger scumhunter between the two, but arguments over him also occupy more thread space. Killing WBG gets him out of the way. Letting him live will hurt the day 3 discussion since we will keep arguing over him like a dog with a bone. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On December 05 2012 06:18 Keirathi wrote: I haven't re-read rockband, but I'm not going to right now (sorry, just too much going on).@austin: You seem to be hung up on WBG fighting with marv. Did you go read Rockband? I believe I know marv as well as probably almost anyone on TL. If he gets in a fight in thread with someone, and thinks they are scum, he would be yelling about it up and down. The fact that he didn't call WBG scum even once says that marv thought WBG was town, and that they were just bashing egos against each other. Now, I certainly don't think marv's reads are infallible, but at the very least it gives me pause to voting WBG. Marv is quick to call someone scum who does something he thinks is scum motivated, even if he changes his mind later. Do you think, as an outside observer of the fight, you have better insight into WBG's motives than who he was fighting with? I don't super care that marv didn't have a scumread on WBG. (1) WBG was pretty invisible D1, for reasons that are fine by me and that marv didn't take massive offense to, so it's not like there was a whole lot to go on. (2) I think, as an outside observer, that I may have better insight, yeah. I'm worried about particular past games that WBG has been involved in, both with his poking at marv and with his disbelief of marv's claim (which he still hasn't fully explained). I do not know if marv was thinking about those two particular things at the time, especially given that he was probably still a little miffed about being, as he saw it, forced to claim. | ||
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
Scum buddies? | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On December 05 2012 06:23 MrZentor wrote: Yeah, Marv NEVER thought WBG was scum. NEVERRRRR I was obviously talking about when they were actually fighting with each other. Marv did call WBG scum that time in the middle of d1, but he changed his mind pretty quickly. When they started fighting, if marv thought WBG was scum, he 100% WOULD have been yelling about it. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On December 05 2012 06:25 DoYouHas wrote: If I was scum, I wouldn't care which of those two got lynched. Killing Shiaopi won't make WBG's detractors go away or the other way around. WBG is the stronger scumhunter between the two, but arguments over him also occupy more thread space. Killing WBG gets him out of the way. Letting him live will hurt the day 3 discussion since we will keep arguing over him like a dog with a bone. I think I find this really townie. Highly unlikely that we had both a faked vigishot and a quick response like this. | ||
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DoYouHas
United States1140 Posts
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On December 05 2012 06:27 MrZentor wrote: I like how Keirathi is just blindly defending WBG. Scum buddies? I actually don't think so. | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On December 05 2012 06:27 MrZentor wrote: I like how Keirathi is just blindly defending WBG. Scum buddies? I'm hard defending a town read to make sure he doesn't get lynched, and ShiaoPi does. If that makes me scum, then why are people jumping on WBG for not defending his townread more and just letting him die :o Can't have it both ways. | ||
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
On December 05 2012 06:27 Keirathi wrote: I was obviously talking about when they were actually fighting with each other. Marv did call WBG scum that time in the middle of d1, but he changed his mind pretty quickly. When they started fighting, if marv thought WBG was scum, he 100% WOULD have been yelling about it. Then perhaps you should have said something like "Marv called WBG scum several times, but I'm going to disregard this, because I like to think Marv was extremely confident that WBG was town." Rather than The fact that he didn't call WBG scum even once says that marv thought WBG was town It's much less misleading. | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On December 05 2012 06:34 MrZentor wrote: Then perhaps you should have said something like "Marv called WBG scum several times, but I'm going to disregard this, because I like to think Marv was extremely confident that WBG was town." Rather than It's much less misleading. I agree that I worded it a bit poorly, but you're missing the point. What I SHOULD have said was: The fact that he didn't call WBG scum even once [while they were fighting] says that marv thought WBG was town [during night 1] | ||
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
It means he wasn't sure either way, considering his recent attack on WBG. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
It's not scummy, but it's weirding me out. I thought you were going to be entirely unhelpful and scummy as either alignment. | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On December 05 2012 06:38 MrZentor wrote: And no, it doesn't. It means he wasn't sure either way, considering his recent attack on WBG. Then you don't know marv very well. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
Part of your argument here is that you know Marv well enough to know that he didn't think WBG was scum during N1. Yes, you've got some reason to think that, but you've also got to understand you're two generations removed. You're relying on yourself being able to interpret marv's actions/thoughts. You're also relying on marv's thoughts being correct. Doesn't mean that your arguments shouldn't be given weight, but you need to recognize that you're stringing two possibilities together here in order to get to your argument, and we can't be certain about either. | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
I knew what Keir meant when he said it. You should too | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
On December 05 2012 06:44 austinmcc wrote: To some extent here Keirathi, you're ... not backing up far enough. Part of your argument here is that you know Marv well enough to know that he didn't think WBG was scum during N1. Yes, you've got some reason to think that, but you've also got to understand you're two generations removed. You're relying on yourself being able to interpret marv's actions/thoughts. You're also relying on marv's thoughts being correct. Doesn't mean that your arguments shouldn't be given weight, but you need to recognize that you're stringing two possibilities together here in order to get to your argument, and we can't be certain about either. ^^^^that | ||
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