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debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
December 04 2012 21:46 GMT
#1441
Where is my dawg BH?
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
December 04 2012 21:47 GMT
#1442
On December 05 2012 06:44 austinmcc wrote:
To some extent here Keirathi, you're ... not backing up far enough.

Part of your argument here is that you know Marv well enough to know that he didn't think WBG was scum during N1. Yes, you've got some reason to think that, but you've also got to understand you're two generations removed.

You're relying on yourself being able to interpret marv's actions/thoughts. You're also relying on marv's thoughts being correct. Doesn't mean that your arguments shouldn't be given weight, but you need to recognize that you're stringing two possibilities together here in order to get to your argument, and we can't be certain about either.

I'm not relying on marv's thoughts being correct, I'm relying on them giving reasonable doubt to a WBG lynch to push the person that I actually think is scum: ShiaoPi.

Do you not agree with me (or sandroba for that matter), that ShiaoPi has basically blended in for as long as he could, sheeping onto all of the major bandwagons?
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25553 Posts
December 04 2012 21:49 GMT
#1443
dyh i told u why ir town rwad on wbg was wrong gey on my darn wagin
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
December 04 2012 21:50 GMT
#1444
On December 05 2012 06:04 debears wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2012 05:33 Xatalos wrote:
On December 05 2012 04:45 debears wrote:
Xatalos what do you have to say about the stuff posted by me, BH, and austin on WBG?

All I've seen you mention is ShiaoPi and WBG's "how many times VE mentioned ppl" post. You have failed to address any of the main content addressed at WBG, yet you are more than happy to jump on ShiaoPi and Zentor


I suppose MrZentor can wait, since it's close to deadline and he isn't even really related to the lynch at hand.

By the way, I just had a strange thought. What if the remaining scum were ShiaoPi and austinmcc? I've had austinmcc as a townread for so long, but he's been pretty unimpactful during Day 2 - and recently he's been soft defending ShiaoPi, and simultaneously boarding the opposing bandwagon (WBG). Them being a team would make lots of sense (at least if it wasn't for my original townread on austinmcc).

Now, back to WBG. I sometimes start doubting him when reading your (debears etc.) arguments against him, but I have the terrible feeling that I would regret heavily voting for him instead of ShiaoPi. Yeah, he hasn't been as helpful as he could/should have, but the same applies to marvellosity - and he was town of course. The points against WBG aren't really scumtells - they're nulltells that could mean either town or Mafia. They would also mostly apply to marvellosity. There are always two people in a flamefest, and they were both equally guilty for it IMO. Both were caught up in a senseless waste of time, resorting to petty insults and otherwise ignorant posts. I don't think this is condemning for either of them though. In fact, looking at where it has gotten WBG (half the players wanting to lynch him) I doubt he would have entered such a useless interaction with marvellosity in the first place as Mafia. It just makes no sense. Okay, there's the theory that scum WBG wanted to "neutralize" marvellosity's contributions before he could be shot. Is something bizarre like that really worth reducing your own credibility and raising yourself to the spotlight (and to the lynch candidates)? It's far too risky for far too little gain. Occam's razor again points to the simplest explanation: it was just two townies having a stupid argument where neither of them was going to benefit from it in any concrete way. There's always the chance that I'm wrong, but I'm pretty confident that I'm making the right choice right now.


But what about his flaming of the town despite him not even being at lynch because he was playing dota?

What kind of town motivations are there for that?


Actually, I think that's a null tell at worst. What reason would there be for Mafia to bash the town and gather negative attention for literally zero gain? There's no Mafia motivation for that. Not really a town motivation either, but it fits better with a frustrated townie than a scheming ("hey I'm gonna demolarize town by insulting them, how clever") Mafia.

For example, this is from one of my newbie games. A frustrated townie is... bashing the town, because he is frustrated. There's a decent chance the exact same thing happened here as well.


On April 14 2012 13:23 Dittert wrote:
Okay, so I leave this morning feeling pretty good about our chance to lynch a mafia member, and I come back to this.

Oh, btw, while I was gone I went to work where I got jerked around by several clients, had a meeting with an accountant who gave me terrible news, had a spat with my fiance, and found out I have to move out of my current house much sooner than I anticipated. So it's been a banner day...

Now I log on from my fiance's shitty netbook that I can barely type on and I find this garbage?

Here's my read: you're all a bunch of idiots. Seriously.

All I hear about is how "such and such FEELS scummy/townie to me." After 3 or less games of mafia, what makes you think your intuition is worth anything? I'll bet you FEEL like you're constantly producing SCV's too, and I bet you're in the bronze league. For everyone who saw Brood's play as "so obviously mafia/scumslip," what do you think of your judgement now? As I mentioned before, I thought Brood was just kind of bad town (or as I said, "says some really stupid shit").

What irks me is that before I left, we had a pretty good case going against willz and a general ##FoS pointed at yomi. Once willz started posting more, everyone seemed to think that he must be town (why does posting more mean you're town, especially when posts with any kind of substance whatsoever came after Acro and myself built a strong case against him). Okay, so if you're convinced willz is town, why not vote for yomi? Yomi didn't even really have a defense, and I don't understand why everyone switched off of him.

From now on, I would appreciate it if everyone read every post and ignored all of their feelings. Feelings are for little girls. Use your brain. Does post X make sense if so and so is town? What about if they're mafia? Do I see a pattern of posting between people? Remember that the mafia are coordinating with each other. Can you pick out anything that looks like coordination between 3 people? If you think so and so is mafia, with whom are they working? Can you construct a consistent and compelling story about what might be happening in the thread? Are you willing to assume that most people are just chattering townies (which is statistically true)?

And for everyone who consistently says that my logic is dumb, my posts are bad, and my reads are wrong, my only read on brood was that he was a townie doing dumb stuff. Looks like I'm 1 for 1, or 2 for 2 if you count the townie part and the dumb stuff (like making a "scumslip" at the last minute) as 2 separate things.

For the love of god, will the vig please shoot yomi or willz tonight so we can get some real info? Thanks.

Mods, if the tone of this post is too harsh, let me know and I will tone it down in the future.

"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25553 Posts
December 04 2012 21:52 GMT
#1445
wbg is a vrt and en every game he plays hes like top 2 scum hunting. yeah hes aggro vut he doesn't actively hurt disxoirse like this. think reasomably
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
December 04 2012 21:52 GMT
#1446
Xataos

Here's one of my scum games. I got town cred for this because of the same argument you used

On October 27 2012 09:43 debears wrote:
Very impressive guys

We lynch the fucking jailkeeper, and all I see is "he should of claimed" and "hrm".

What the hell? This isn't suspicious as hell. Inig was at the top of the vote column and then suddenly this dauod lynch gains momentum for reasons that differed slightly from Inig's case? Not only that, he wasn't there to defend himself and NO ONE ELSE WAS DEFENDING HIM FFS. How is that not a sign of town???? WHY THE FUCK WOULD MAFIA BUS SOMEONE LIKE HIM WHEN INIG WAS THE LEADING VOTE GETTER. Is it not telling how suddenly momentum on Dauod came about? Inig comes in and says some stuff and everyone goes "oh he's noob town obviously". Just awesome.

double FOS Inig

I'm going to fucking cool off so I don't shoot myself. I'll look over the thead and figure this out

FOS anyone who voted for Inig

austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
December 04 2012 21:55 GMT
#1447
On December 05 2012 06:47 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2012 06:44 austinmcc wrote:
To some extent here Keirathi, you're ... not backing up far enough.

Part of your argument here is that you know Marv well enough to know that he didn't think WBG was scum during N1. Yes, you've got some reason to think that, but you've also got to understand you're two generations removed.

You're relying on yourself being able to interpret marv's actions/thoughts. You're also relying on marv's thoughts being correct. Doesn't mean that your arguments shouldn't be given weight, but you need to recognize that you're stringing two possibilities together here in order to get to your argument, and we can't be certain about either.

I'm not relying on marv's thoughts being correct, I'm relying on them giving reasonable doubt to a WBG lynch to push the person that I actually think is scum: ShiaoPi.

Do you not agree with me (or sandroba for that matter), that ShiaoPi has basically blended in for as long as he could, sheeping onto all of the major bandwagons?

There's been some blending in/low activity.

I see him poking at BH D1, voting BH. I don't see him jump on marv when marv pops up (and felt enough pressure that he claimed). I don't see him jumping on DYH. I don't see him jumping on DP. Some of that is absence, but he ABSOLUTELY doesn't "sheep onto all of the major bandwagons" D1. When he returns, he does not that he's watching marv and DYH (weren't we all?), and that he's concerned about BH and xatalos.

Then today I see him on you at first, later swapping to WBG. His last post is something that jumps out at me:
On December 05 2012 01:06 ShiaoPi wrote:
Hey Xata,

What made that 180°-turn from this:

Show nested quote +
On another topic, I like your analysis of Ace/Keirathi. I haven't quite had him as a scumread at any point, but not as a townread either. Ace's weird "X/Y/Z interaction" posts and Keirathi's pure focus on BH aren't looking good. It's hard to judge a replacement player, but nothing in either of their filters screams "town!", and that's suspicious in itself.


to

Show nested quote +
Really... "He's tunneling BH. Why? Cuz scum." That's basically what his case is there. He doesn't even sound convinced himself! I get the feeling he's just throwing his vote at someone to appear to be scumhunting.


I can't even comprehend this at all. also your last thing about emotions and stuff is utter trash, I am reacting the way I am since you guys are fucking retarded to lynch me over bugs.....

LOOK AT THIS KEIRATHI.

Here is a dude who is set to be lynched. He is one of TWO candidates for today. He had a scumread on you earlier, and was watching Xatalos after D1. Instead of piling on WBG, instead of defending himself further, what's he doing. He's scumhunting, in a way that's not related to today's lynch and that shows he's trying to solve the game rather than stay alive.

He's wondering why one suspect he had has suddenly changed a read on a player he's also suspicious of, based on ShiaoPi's own posting.

I actually really think that post looks townie, in that he's still trying to get a read on Xatalos and figure Xatalos out.

Fe fi fo fum.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25553 Posts
December 04 2012 21:55 GMT
#1448
shiaopo of course os a crsppy sheep but jes not puahibg a scum agenda likr WBG. read WBG filter and tell me thays not scum disrupting thread.
wbg also is always an aggro player the fact he posfs a lot thos game is nkt a tosn tell
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25553 Posts
December 04 2012 21:56 GMT
#1449
yeah honestly it seem s likr we are policying shiaopi for being a newborn wtf guys
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25553 Posts
December 04 2012 21:56 GMT
#1450
newbie
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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DoYouHas
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1140 Posts
December 04 2012 21:57 GMT
#1451
Allow me to demonstrate just how wrong you are BH.

##Unvote Shiaopi
##Vote WhereBugsGo


This whole situation is stupid. WBG should serve as a better wakeup call than Shiaopi to illustrate my point, sry bugs.
Guts? Determination? $5?
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
December 04 2012 21:58 GMT
#1452
Yeh BH I tink yur logix is lukin righ about nows
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
December 04 2012 21:58 GMT
#1453
lol bh
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25553 Posts
December 04 2012 21:58 GMT
#1454
wakeup to what

explain now before flip
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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DoYouHas
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1140 Posts
December 04 2012 21:58 GMT
#1455
Oh dear, I capitalized bugs' name like I do my own. Apology #2 bugs.
Guts? Determination? $5?
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
December 04 2012 21:59 GMT
#1456
We still have an hour BH
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25553 Posts
December 04 2012 21:59 GMT
#1457
autocorewct is a shiny whole
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
December 04 2012 21:59 GMT
#1458
Bah, fine DYH is forcing my hand.

WBG and I are MASONS

Now can we please vote ShiaoPi for the love of god?
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
DoYouHas
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1140 Posts
December 04 2012 21:59 GMT
#1459
That both of the candidates aren't scum, we have spent the entire day arguing between to townies when I handed you scum on a silver platter.
Guts? Determination? $5?
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25553 Posts
December 04 2012 21:59 GMT
#1460
ih we have an hour? rofl ok brb getting to a comp
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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