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On December 02 2012 00:54 ShiaoPi wrote:
I looked over DYH's filter and to be honest I think BH to be scummier. Ther are a couple of things that strike me as suspicious, the whole ace is dangerous and xata is noob thing but I also agree with the questions he had for BH. So I want to see some repsonses fom BH right now, unfortunately he seems to be absent...
That and everyone else :/
What do you think of WBG?
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On December 02 2012 00:53 Ace wrote:
man half of you guys are utter shit at this game. Stop fucking going back to past games and read what the fuck you see HERE. You're shitting up the thread with shit that doesn't even matter.
I see him as scummy here for not doing anything. He claims his d1 pattern is saying nothing for most of d1 as defense. I show him that he's wrong
How is that not related to this game?
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5955 Posts
Bugs is hard to read regardless of alignment (imho).
I dont like him calling out lazer for doing the same thing as he is. But lynching bugs off for that in d1? I would say that it is unwise. I have by no means a sure townread on him but I would prefer to see him in d2 as that is more indicative of his play. We can lynch him in d2 if he continues like this.
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On December 02 2012 01:00 ShiaoPi wrote:
Bugs is hard to read regardless of alignment (imho).
I dont like him calling out lazer for doing the same thing as he is. But lynching bugs off for that in d1? I would say that it is unwise. I have by no means a sure townread on him but I would prefer to see him in d2 as that is more indicative of his play. We can lynch him in d2 if he continues like this.
All he has to do is come up with a decent fucking case and I'll be off his ass. Not that hard
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Seriously amazed that you've read this thread and that is the direction you've chosen to go. Unfucking real.
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On December 02 2012 01:01 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 01:00 ShiaoPi wrote:
Bugs is hard to read regardless of alignment (imho).
I dont like him calling out lazer for doing the same thing as he is. But lynching bugs off for that in d1? I would say that it is unwise. I have by no means a sure townread on him but I would prefer to see him in d2 as that is more indicative of his play. We can lynch him in d2 if he continues like this. All he has to do is come up with a decent fucking case and I'll be off his ass. Not that hard
I would welcome some better conttibution from him as well, but most of us (me included) havent done much yet, so I am not willing to damn him for sth I am no better in.
If nothing changes in the next few minutes I will vote for BH and head to sleep...already past midnight and I need some sleep.
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On December 02 2012 01:04 Ace wrote:
Seriously amazed that you've read this thread and that is the direction you've chosen to go. Unfucking real.
If I am in the dark, show me the light
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On December 01 2012 09:27 marvellosity wrote:
Xatalos, the post you're quoting is after a couple of flips, and is quite a long way in.
You should know yourself they don't compare.
Anyways, outside input welcomed.
(code for: a bunch of people in this game need to do some shit)
You clearly like your meta reads, but let me explain some of my thought processes. GoT was my first game and I rolled Mafia. I was pretty afraid of posting anything, so I had a tiny filter with nothing of worth in it. I had some luck, though, since town focused on lynching each other and I stayed off the radar until the very end. At LYLO one player took a look at my filter and saw how it screamed Mafia. It was too late though, and his case didn't gather enough support.
Next game I rolled Vanilla Town. I decided not to repeat the mistakes of town in GoT (stupid policies, WIFOM, lack of focus), so I devoted my existence to finding Mafia and getting them lynched. I became hyper-aggressive, though, pointing fingers at anything remotely suspicious and tunneling a couple of players like crazy. That lead to my demise, since the players who believed I was town were wiped out and the remaining townies had been through hell by my accusations. Naturally they chose to believe KharadBanar, who was Mafia, but had been kind of in the background and never got to be suspected (or really suspected anyone himself). I was lynched and we lost.
Then I rolled Mafia again and tried for a "background" approach, similar to KharadBanar. I made some carefully constructed cases and gave vague reads on players to appear contributive. I was happily unsuspected for most of the game and when things got a bit difficult in the end, I bussed my teammate (who was luckily defended by ShiaoPi) and finished the game with a lynch of ShiaoPi.
At this point I observed Wheel of Fortune and witnessed pretty bad play by town. ObsQT figured out the Mafia team without that much effort, but town lacked any kind of focus, just lynching bad/controversial players and then sinking into depression. To be fair, all the veteran players were Mafia that game and they had the thread under control. One bright point of the game was actually Bluelightz's correct town reads - he had all the Mafia as null reads and almost all townies as town reads. Unfortunately, his views weren't valued that much.
Next I rolled Mafia once again, but this time I had severe time constraints and couldn't be as active. I tried repeating my earlier victory, but I had to play extremely safe (because I couldn't be there to defend myself most of the time) and I was kind of a very passive background character. Even so, I wasn't actually in any danger until LYLO. By then town had managed to secure each other as town reads - and that left only us, the actual Mafia. It was over at that point. It might have been different had I played more actively, but in any case, this game showed how powerful town reads and Mafia hunting by elimination can be. It was almost like a (game-winning) reincarnation of Bluelightz's mentality in Wheel of Fortune.
Then we arrive at this current game. My second town roll. I had some pretty conflicting feelings about how to play the game (and I still do). Mostly I was thinking about my second and third game. In my second game, I had been discredited and eventually lynched, even though all I did was hunt Mafia. In my third game, I was considered innocent until my victory, even though I just pulled strings in the background. I deduced that maybe some kind of a balanced approach would be for the best. Then I started thinking about the playstyle of Bluelightz (Mafia hunting by elimination). Unfortunately, it's not working all that well so far. The players in this game seem much harder to read than in Wheel of Fortune... I don't even have a single strong town read or strong Mafia read yet. Maybe it's all the trolling, maybe it's the lack of effort by too many players, but I can't think of a lynch that would have a high chance of hitting Mafia. Even players I have town reads on appear scummy in some posts, and the other way around.
The best I can think of is a lynch on one of the players who have put in *some* apparent effort (not just trolling) but have done so in a careful and artificial way. What I mean is: it's possible for Mafia to troll, go on a rampage or make stupid accusations. BUT it's a risky metagame strategy depending completely on town to think like I'm thinking right now. It's much safer to just stay in the background and avoid unnecessary attention, much like I've done in my previous games as Mafia. Blazinghand has been throwing his vote around like it's a piece of trash, but I don't think it makes much sense from a Mafia perspective. It's something to gather negative attention and unnecessarily make himself a lynch candidate.
What I'm most concerned about are these players: VisceraEyes, DoYouHas, Dandel Ion. They all have been pretty passive background characters who are not lurking/trolling/playing bad, but not really doing anything either. I think there's a high chance for 1-2 of them being Mafia. VisceraEyes has answered to my suspicion though:
On December 01 2012 09:30 VisceraEyes wrote:Compared to the hyper pace at game start, the thread is certainly moving at a snails pace today. Since Xata's stance on me has gone from "nothing decisive" to decisive enough to vote, I suppose I should respond to the accusations. + Show Spoiler +On December 01 2012 03:51 Xatalos wrote:One player I find suspicious is VisceraEyes. He hasn't been merely trolling or lurking, but rather posting pseudo-productive posts that make him look somewhat active - without actually accomplishing anything. This playstyle in between useless and useful is the one I'm always suspicious of. Show nested quote +On November 30 2012 14:42 VisceraEyes wrote:
Good stuff guys. Good, good stuff.
For anyone who hasn't played with him before, Ace is going to pop in about twice or thrice a cycle. He's not going to try and lead anyone. He's also not going to FOLLOW anyone. He's going to play Mafia. If he's scum, he's going to fucking own us. If he's town, he's going to be right but will probably lose because he can't stand people not playing on his level and will lose interest.
That about sum it up sir?
So let's just drop the topic of Ace as he's made all of what...1 one-liner post? We'll resume discussion of the man once he throws some content up in this piece.
dabears, I'm more interested in you damning DYH for having an opinion on Ace. The guy doesn't even HAVE any posts to discredit, so why are you so concerned about him trying to do so this early anyway? Do you know something I don't about Ace's alignment?
That's the only thing that's jumped out at me so far - everything else is chaff and while I don't necessarily mind it, it's certainly not helping anyone find scum (happy Bugs?)
I'm going to bed guys. This post does actually have a point about debears... But VisceraEyes doesn't pursue it anyhow, just points it out (like some other players did) and never speaks of it again. The rest is pretty much safe-to-say meaningless fluff. Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 02:37 VisceraEyes wrote:On December 01 2012 02:33 Lazermonkey wrote:On December 01 2012 02:27 marvellosity wrote:austin, I agree that I don't like this vote: On November 30 2012 10:46 debears wrote:On November 30 2012 10:38 DoYouHas wrote:On November 30 2012 10:29 debears wrote:On November 30 2012 08:25 DoYouHas wrote:
Hi everyone, looking forward to an active game. It's nice to recognize many of the names on the playerlist even though I haven't played in a while.
I'm happy to see Marv/BH/VE in here. With those 3 there is no reason the thread should be inactive.
I'm perhaps overly cautious of Ace. His reputation obviously precedes him. Never having played with him paired with the knowledge that he can be a devastatingly effective scum leader makes me a little paranoid.
As always, I am in favor of lurker lynching on day1 unless a better candidate shows up (which it inevitably will). DoYouHas Why are you trying to paint such a picture on ace? Sure, he is a forefather of TL Mafia, and I'm sure all of us are aware of his ability. But why try to focus on his scumplay so much over his town play? As I recall, he is also a pretty darn good town player. Stating how you are overly cautious of him (implying somewhat to others that they should also be) just because he's a good mafia player doesn't seem like something a townie would do Because it does the dual job of accurately explaining my feelings towards him to start the game and hopefully stirring up a little fear towards him so that people don't sheep him quite as readily. If he ends up taking a town leader role, I want him to earn it instead of being ushered into it on his reputation. That doesn't make any sense. I'm not going to sheep someone cuz of their reputation. I'm going to sheep if their case 1) makes sense 2) is good 3) I believe they are town If he takes a town leader position, it'll be because of those things. Not because of his reputation ##Unvote
##Vote DoYouHas Just because debears himself won't sheep someone on reputation doesn't mean people don't, and it doesn't make it inherently scummy to think that people do. I can find various instances of townies basically just sheeping me (e.g. Clarity, iamperfection) To be frank, I do think almost everyone are more willingly to sheep players who are considered to be stronger rather than newbies even if they deny it. At least to some extent. I think it's a part of your subconscious. Truth. Something to do with pack mentality, wanting to fit in, etc. etc. Reading what I've missed y'all, hopefully there's more than discussing whether or not people are going to sheep Ace. :/ A quite unnecessary and forgettable post. Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 03:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
I suppose no one but me is interested in Ace's marv vote, right?
Everyone scared or something?
Ace care to share with the class? Actually an "original" topic, but yet again safe to say and not really that productive. Feels like something Mafia might say to look like they're doing something, while actually not doing anything. I also dislike how none of his posts are connected... It's like he's posting the minimum required amount and avoiding commitment to anything. Overall, nothing decisive, but all of this leaves an uneasy feeling about VE for me. His major problem with my play is that he thinks that I'm being productive but not really? That's pretty meaningless coming from a guy who's only act is to vote for someone based on outdated (I ninja'd him, not really his fault) information and defending himself. Considering the fact that this is D1, and considering the amount of content that is (not) in the thread, I think I've done a fair amount of scumhunting. He cites my questioning Ace as "something Mafia might say to appear helpful without really accomplishing anything." Except, it's only that way because Ace hasn't responded to my inquiry, so that's really out of my control. Further, it discounts the (true) motivation of "Maybe he's just curious about a suspicious vote with no reasoning and wants clarification" Also, I'd like to hear what's "bandwagon-y" about my vote on debears. First of all, I'm like...the second vote on the guy? Third? I'd argue that marv's no-reason vote is more "bandwagon-y", but whatever. I define "bandwagon-y" in a different way I guess. Bandwagon-y wouldn't include reasoning. Bandwagon-y would be like "Welp, everyone else is voting this guy, guess I better hop on the bandwagon." You know....as the made-up word implies? But it wasn't. I gave reasoning for my vote.
What I'm most suspicious of is the way you posted your vote for debears. I got the feeling you saw your chance to look good by making a "me too" case against debears as he was getting some heat by several players. Then you just kind of dropped that matter and commented casually on some events from the sidelines, but not pushing anything or getting to the spotlight in any form. It's like you were content with your vote gathering dust off the radar and proceeded to make some fluff posts without purpose. As if you didn't even care who got lynched... As long as nobody put pressure on you?
DoYouHas's only contribution so far is his weird push to get me lynched based on a troll post and my initial lack of response to him for voting me without any (in my eyes) apparent reason. Then he just posts this:
On December 01 2012 17:33 DoYouHas wrote:
I'm curious BH, would you say that your confidence in DarthPunk being scum is telling as to Xatalos's alignment? Given Darth's early posts defending Xata I would find it hard to believe Xata is scum if Darth is. Do you agree?
If Darth is scum, what would you say he has been trying to achieve in the thread before he started defending himself? Who else do you think is implicated by Darth's play up to this point?
He just asks some questions from Blazinghand about DarthPunk and provides nothing new to the discussion. He seems quite content to stay off the radar and with minimal contributions as well.
Dandel Ion hasn't put any real effort into his posts yet. He's just made some fluff one-liners and semi-useful "advice" like these:
On November 30 2012 23:10 Dandel Ion wrote:
I mean, I agree that Lazermonkey is being overeager with calling you out like that, but Xatalos already answered you. What information do you expect to gain by asking the same thing again?
On December 01 2012 14:53 Dandel Ion wrote:
It's a themed game. Please tell me you're not gonna start a setup speculation.
Just quickly skimmed the thread, do ya still want me to explain how, when and how well I read guides, or did you realize that it was a silly question in the first place yet?
Dandel Ion doesn't just seem to care about Mafia hunting, even though he has posted a decent amount and with semi-useful content as well. I'd need to see some real improvement in his posting to make my suspicions fade. Sharing some reads or anything beneficial to finding Mafia would be a good start.
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On December 02 2012 01:04 Ace wrote:
Seriously amazed that you've read this thread and that is the direction you've chosen to go. Unfucking real.
seriously amazed that all you've done this game is be a worthless dickhead
except i'm not amazed, i expected it
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gonna unvote bugs for now, his explanation seems kinda plausible.
##unvote
DP seems to be needlessly aggressive. I don't like that at all.
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5955 Posts
So who do you want to lynch Xata? Which of the three is scummiest to you?
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and yeah, Dandel has been pretty shocking. Seems like he signed up and now isn't bothering to play the game :/
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On December 02 2012 01:25 ShiaoPi wrote:
So who do you want to lynch Xata? Which of the three is scummiest to you?
is there something that makes you regard DP as townie, Shiao?
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On December 02 2012 01:27 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 01:25 ShiaoPi wrote:
So who do you want to lynch Xata? Which of the three is scummiest to you? is there something that makes you regard DP as townie, Shiao?
Where did I say I regard him as townie? I mentioned his spat with lazer but for DP that could have been any alignment.
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you said that you totally disagreed with BH's meta-read on him, so I read that as you thought DP must be somewhat townie. Forgive me if that wasn't implied.
what do you think of him so far then?
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I just dont see how BH can be that decisive with that metaread he produced. DP aint that easy to read, I only got him in LVI via elimination and reaction. Especially if you consider BHs read on me in Liquid city which was extremely convincing in comparison to this one.
On to my opinInon on Dp, he is a nullread. Cannot make too much out of him yet. I suck at d1 anyway.
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On December 02 2012 01:25 ShiaoPi wrote:
So who do you want to lynch Xata? Which of the three is scummiest to you?
Answer please I want to sleep soon :S
Still ve where your vote is parked?
Marv what do you make of dp? You want to lynch him?
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On December 02 2012 01:24 marvellosity wrote:
gonna unvote bugs for now, his explanation seems kinda plausible.
##unvote
DP seems to be needlessly aggressive. I don't like that at all.
Isn't DP usually needlessly aggressive as town and more amicable as scum?
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On December 02 2012 00:58 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 00:53 Ace wrote:
man half of you guys are utter shit at this game. Stop fucking going back to past games and read what the fuck you see HERE. You're shitting up the thread with shit that doesn't even matter. I see him as scummy here for not doing anything. He claims his d1 pattern is saying nothing for most of d1 as defense. I show him that he's wrong How is that not related to this game?
Agreed. Looking at what is happening HERE, all I am seeing is an angry Vet making no real contribution to the game.
Btw, I had a mad friday, and have been busy most of today, so I won't really have time to add much till the lynch. I will be more involved in the coming days, but until then I'm pretty useless.
One thing I have noticed is that Marv seems to be playing differently than how I remember him. I played a scumgame against his Town play, and he was aggressive, asking a ton of questions, and wouldn't rest till he had me killed. This game he seems to be acting much more passively...
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Okay its almost 1am now, i need my sleep. Nobody answere my questions so
##Vote: Blazinghand
I am unsure but seems to me the best bet for now.
Will try to be around for deadline but no guarantees, its much more likely that I will miss it by far.
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