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Zealos's posting is poopoo.
Silly one-liners concerning/voting/unvoting DI.
Useless comment that isn't a one-liner.
One-liners concerning debears asking DI about newbie guides
Useless comment that isn't a one-liner explaining what he thinks debears is doing.
I don't think debears is mafia...the end
Followed by:
On December 02 2012 01:48 Zealos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 00:58 debears wrote:On December 02 2012 00:53 Ace wrote:
man half of you guys are utter shit at this game. Stop fucking going back to past games and read what the fuck you see HERE. You're shitting up the thread with shit that doesn't even matter. I see him as scummy here for not doing anything. He claims his d1 pattern is saying nothing for most of d1 as defense. I show him that he's wrong How is that not related to this game? Agreed. Looking at what is happening HERE, all I am seeing is an angry Vet making no real contribution to the game.Btw, I had a mad friday, and have been busy most of today, so I won't really have time to add much till the lynch. I will be more involved in the coming days, but until then I'm pretty useless. One thing I have noticed is that Marv seems to be playing differently than how I remember him. I played a scumgame against his Town play, and he was aggressive, asking a ton of questions, and wouldn't rest till he had me killed. This game he seems to be acting much more passively...
On December 02 2012 03:28 Zealos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 02:29 Lazermonkey wrote:On December 02 2012 01:48 Zealos wrote:On December 02 2012 00:58 debears wrote:On December 02 2012 00:53 Ace wrote:
man half of you guys are utter shit at this game. Stop fucking going back to past games and read what the fuck you see HERE. You're shitting up the thread with shit that doesn't even matter. I see him as scummy here for not doing anything. He claims his d1 pattern is saying nothing for most of d1 as defense. I show him that he's wrong How is that not related to this game? Agreed. Looking at what is happening HERE, all I am seeing is an angry Vet making no real contribution to the game. Btw, I had a mad friday, and have been busy most of today, so I won't really have time to add much till the lynch. I will be more involved in the coming days, but until then I'm pretty useless. One thing I have noticed is that Marv seems to be playing differently than how I remember him. I played a scumgame against his Town play, and he was aggressive, asking a ton of questions, and wouldn't rest till he had me killed. This game he seems to be acting much more passively... Why is this? There are plenty of time untill the lynch=alot of time to make reads. Your filter is empty as you yourself point out. But that is not the most alarming IMO. You really haven't been scum hunting at all. You have a few null or slight town reads but most of all you are being extremly wish washy. You say Ace looks like an angry vet with no contribution. Does this make Ace scum do you think? You say marv plays differently, but does that make him scum? You say you don't think Debears is scum, although you provide no analysis. You don't think Xata is scum. What do you think then? ##FoS Zealos
I did give reasoning for debears. Ace I would call scum if he were a different player, but no one seems to be too keen to push him yet, so I'm willing to leave it for now. Plenty of time ≠ plenty of free time till lynch. I am pointing out marv plays differently. Perhaps scum, perhaps a blue trying to protect himself, may just be acting differently for no reason. I am saying what I am thinking and seeing in the thread. I have not outright called anyone scum yet, but I don't feel I have had enough time to read over to decide who deserves the lynch. I would say the earlier stuff with DI and debears was a little dodgy, but equally, it had too much read into it at the time.The current votes on Xata seem to be the best bet for the time being. This is for instance seems a little.. odd... Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 04:16 Xatalos wrote:Well, it's always good to post real content in my eyes. Maybe some of my suspicions faded, but I still don't have a good feeling about you (sorry  ). Something about that post just feels forced... Like it were a tactical move to look better instead of actually having a beneficial effect on the thread. I'm used to blowing things out of proportions though. I'll have to consider my vote a lot more until I can be satisfied with having catched a strongly likely Mafia. The sorry in particular, along with the end of the post strike me as weird. "Hey, I think you might be mafia, really sorry about that. Also, for anyone reading this, I wouldn't listen to me, because I'm probably wrong, but at least I'm contributing right? Right?! I don't really like using meta as an argument, so I'm gonna ignore trying to tie it in to his past games as mafia and/or town, but from what I've read so far, this guy seems the best lynch candidate. ##Vote:Xatalos
The red bits are basically his comments on anyone other than Xatalos. They amount to nothing. If he's busy or doesn't have much time, fine, but when he's chimed in he hasn't added anything.
Got another person or two to post about, then getting to the voting/discussing/whatever
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@Dandel
Where you at son?
It's not friday anymore. Gotta get down on mafia on Saturday
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Yeah, that's where I'm at with Zealos too austin, which puts me at a crossroads because Zealos also voted for Xatalos.
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MARV COME HERE I WANT YOU
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On December 02 2012 03:36 DoYouHas wrote:
Xata, I find your recent wall of text post quite interesting. Why are you still defending yourself? Marv hasn't looked like he was going to push you for a while now, leaving just me voting you. Almost the entire focus of the thread had moved away from you. Against what perceived threat are you defending?
Why, when we are in the last 1/4 of the day, are you spreading your suspicion over 3 people instead of picking your pony and trying to get them lynched? You only state which of the 3 of us you find most suspicious when asked later. (Though, the choice probably wasn't that hard since your vote was already on VE.) You seem much more concerned with showing that you have a stance than actually pursuing someone's lynch.
The rest of you - This is not the behavior of a townie. Arguing against a non-existent threat shows that Xata is still feeling pressure long after it has stopped. This is because Xata feels the need to go the extra mile to prove he isn't scum (a scummy trait). Spreading suspicion around without actually trying to bring anyone around to lynching his target is also scummy play.
A vote for Xatalos is a vote for SCUM
Isn't it a good thing to clear misconceptions anyhow? You're right that marvellosity didn't look like pursuing the metagame argument, but I can see no harm at all in clearing it up. Establishing one's innocence is an important goal for any townie after all.
Time is running out, yeah, but it's not too late to consider the options yet. There are still 4 players who haven't voted at all and several votes are probably subject to change. If any of VE/DYH/Dandel can't be lynched tonight, at least it's a perfect opportunity to make some pressure. I'll change my target from VE if needed before the deadline.
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On December 01 2012 11:03 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 11:01 Blazinghand wrote:DP is scum btw As town he throws around 1-liners and votes aggressively with questionable amounts of explanation. He doesn't afraid of anyone. As scum he's still aggressive, but he's very methodological. Up until his post on Lazermonkey he was playing more like his town meta but town DP rarely/never makes big posts like that, especially early game. Contrast his D1 play in Mario Mini (town) where he drops votes like they're hot (link) (link) with his game in LC where he writes out long posts that look exactly like this lazermonkey post (link) (note: this one ends in an FoS because Marv was being lynched that game). This is now aggro town DP this is plodding scum DP. ##vote DarthPunk LoL. you are being bad two games in a row BH. I am disappoint. Screenshot + Show Spoiler +Nope. Your just an idiot. <3
DP quick question.
Why are you saying BH is bad? Do you know he's town by chance?
Because you change your mind to scummy later
On December 01 2012 16:24 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 15:35 Blazinghand wrote:
i'm buying what WBG is selling
##unvote
##vote DP You are scummy as shit. Zentor is scum. Oh shit no he isn't. DP is scum. NO wait. Sheep marv, WBG scummier. Wait WBG isn't scummy after all, DP is scum.
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ShiaoPi's posting is also poopoo.
ShiaoPi and I usually have some sort of psychic bond and read things the same way. But when I look at his posting this game, I don't get the sense that he's puzzling through things, trying to figure the game out. I started writing out some thoughts, but there's nothing super concrete. Just...look at the posts.
On November 30 2012 22:30 ShiaoPi wrote:
Xata marv already said why it is illadvised to share townreads without a good reason. So what is your reason?
None of the mentioned townreads of your are in danger of getting lynched (deadline isnt that soon anyway). Nor have you cut down the number of players to figure out scum. So why do it? Really see no reason to do that. I know you to be a better player than just mindlessly share stuff like that as your contribution.
Questioning Xata results in
On November 30 2012 23:16 ShiaoPi wrote:
I expect sth more thought out. There must have more than just BLs strategy behind it. I expect of xata to be smarter than whathe claims to be.
ShiaoPi expected smarter answers. No conclusion from that though. Doesn't follow up with anything on Xata for the rest of the day.
Then recently he was interested in BH. Questioning BH, looks at DYH for Zentor, comes back with:On December 02 2012 00:54 ShiaoPi wrote:
I looked over DYH's filter and to be honest I think BH to be scummier. Ther are a couple of things that strike me as suspicious, the whole ace is dangerous and xata is noob thing but I also agree with the questions he had for BH. So I want to see some repsonses fom BH right now, unfortunately he seems to be absent...
DYH has "a coulpe of things that strike [ShiaoPi] as suspicious," but BH is scummier.
But whereas he says DYH is "suspicious" for a couple reasons, I'm having trouble figuring out why he finds BH scummier and votes BH. This is the best explanation he gives:On December 02 2012 01:40 ShiaoPi wrote:
I just dont see how BH can be that decisive with that metaread he produced. DP aint that easy to read, I only got him in LVI via elimination and reaction. Especially if you consider BHs read on me in Liquid city which was extremely convincing in comparison to this one. On December 02 2012 01:56 ShiaoPi wrote:
Okay its almost 1am now, i need my sleep. Nobody answere my questions so
##Vote: Blazinghand
I am unsure but seems to me the best bet for now.
Will try to be around for deadline but no guarantees, its much more likely that I will miss it by far. After looking at DYH for Zentor, he has concrete things he didn't like about DYH. But as to BH, his vote, he doesn't see how BH can be so decisive in a meta-read.
Seriously. That's his reasoning and vote as I read it. I'm having trouble finding this to be town ShiaoPi.
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holy fucking shit I can't tell who's just bad and who's scum anymore
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On December 02 2012 03:28 Zealos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 02:29 Lazermonkey wrote:On December 02 2012 01:48 Zealos wrote:On December 02 2012 00:58 debears wrote:On December 02 2012 00:53 Ace wrote:
man half of you guys are utter shit at this game. Stop fucking going back to past games and read what the fuck you see HERE. You're shitting up the thread with shit that doesn't even matter. I see him as scummy here for not doing anything. He claims his d1 pattern is saying nothing for most of d1 as defense. I show him that he's wrong How is that not related to this game? Agreed. Looking at what is happening HERE, all I am seeing is an angry Vet making no real contribution to the game. Btw, I had a mad friday, and have been busy most of today, so I won't really have time to add much till the lynch. I will be more involved in the coming days, but until then I'm pretty useless. One thing I have noticed is that Marv seems to be playing differently than how I remember him. I played a scumgame against his Town play, and he was aggressive, asking a ton of questions, and wouldn't rest till he had me killed. This game he seems to be acting much more passively... Why is this? There are plenty of time untill the lynch=alot of time to make reads. Your filter is empty as you yourself point out. But that is not the most alarming IMO. You really haven't been scum hunting at all. You have a few null or slight town reads but most of all you are being extremly wish washy. You say Ace looks like an angry vet with no contribution. Does this make Ace scum do you think? You say marv plays differently, but does that make him scum? You say you don't think Debears is scum, although you provide no analysis. You don't think Xata is scum. What do you think then? ##FoS Zealos
I did give reasoning for debears. Ace I would call scum if he were a different player, but no one seems to be too keen to push him yet, so I'm willing to leave it for now. Plenty of time ≠ plenty of free time till lynch. I am pointing out marv plays differently. Perhaps scum, perhaps a blue trying to protect himself, may just be acting differently for no reason. I am saying what I am thinking and seeing in the thread. I have not outright called anyone scum yet, but I don't feel I have had enough time to read over to decide who deserves the lynch. I would say the earlier stuff with DI and debears was a little dodgy, but equally, it had too much read into it at the time. The current votes on Xata seem to be the best bet for the time being. This is for instance seems a little.. odd... Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 04:16 Xatalos wrote:Well, it's always good to post real content in my eyes. Maybe some of my suspicions faded, but I still don't have a good feeling about you (sorry ). Something about that post just feels forced... Like it were a tactical move to look better instead of actually having a beneficial effect on the thread. I'm used to blowing things out of proportions though. I'll have to consider my vote a lot more until I can be satisfied with having catched a strongly likely Mafia. The sorry in particular, along with the end of the post strike me as weird. "Hey, I think you might be mafia, really sorry about that. Also, for anyone reading this, I wouldn't listen to me, because I'm probably wrong, but at least I'm contributing right? Right?! I don't really like using meta as an argument, so I'm gonna ignore trying to tie it in to his past games as mafia and/or town, but from what I've read so far, this guy seems the best lynch candidate. ##Vote:Xatalos
Wut? This post is extremely indecisive and THIS is a prime example of an unconvinced/unconvincing argument:
"The current votes on Xata seem to be the best bet for the time being. This is for instance seems a little.. odd..."
What kind of a reasoning is that? Can you get any more bandwagony?
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Wanted to say the same thing about DYH's posting, but actually...it's just tunneled in on Xatalos.
Fun fact - since DYH's "hello" post, he has only A SINGLE post that doesn't concern Xatalos, and that's answering a non-xatalos question that was posed directly to him.
I find that remarkably curious, but not scummy? If it continues though, then I find the heavy focus problematic because it gives town nothing to read you off of other than "DYH is that dude who finds Xatalos scummy."
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On December 02 2012 05:05 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 03:28 Zealos wrote:On December 02 2012 02:29 Lazermonkey wrote:On December 02 2012 01:48 Zealos wrote:On December 02 2012 00:58 debears wrote:On December 02 2012 00:53 Ace wrote:
man half of you guys are utter shit at this game. Stop fucking going back to past games and read what the fuck you see HERE. You're shitting up the thread with shit that doesn't even matter. I see him as scummy here for not doing anything. He claims his d1 pattern is saying nothing for most of d1 as defense. I show him that he's wrong How is that not related to this game? Agreed. Looking at what is happening HERE, all I am seeing is an angry Vet making no real contribution to the game. Btw, I had a mad friday, and have been busy most of today, so I won't really have time to add much till the lynch. I will be more involved in the coming days, but until then I'm pretty useless. One thing I have noticed is that Marv seems to be playing differently than how I remember him. I played a scumgame against his Town play, and he was aggressive, asking a ton of questions, and wouldn't rest till he had me killed. This game he seems to be acting much more passively... Why is this? There are plenty of time untill the lynch=alot of time to make reads. Your filter is empty as you yourself point out. But that is not the most alarming IMO. You really haven't been scum hunting at all. You have a few null or slight town reads but most of all you are being extremly wish washy. You say Ace looks like an angry vet with no contribution. Does this make Ace scum do you think? You say marv plays differently, but does that make him scum? You say you don't think Debears is scum, although you provide no analysis. You don't think Xata is scum. What do you think then? ##FoS Zealos
I did give reasoning for debears. Ace I would call scum if he were a different player, but no one seems to be too keen to push him yet, so I'm willing to leave it for now. Plenty of time ≠ plenty of free time till lynch. I am pointing out marv plays differently. Perhaps scum, perhaps a blue trying to protect himself, may just be acting differently for no reason. I am saying what I am thinking and seeing in the thread. I have not outright called anyone scum yet, but I don't feel I have had enough time to read over to decide who deserves the lynch. I would say the earlier stuff with DI and debears was a little dodgy, but equally, it had too much read into it at the time. The current votes on Xata seem to be the best bet for the time being. This is for instance seems a little.. odd... On December 01 2012 04:16 Xatalos wrote:Well, it's always good to post real content in my eyes. Maybe some of my suspicions faded, but I still don't have a good feeling about you (sorry ). Something about that post just feels forced... Like it were a tactical move to look better instead of actually having a beneficial effect on the thread. I'm used to blowing things out of proportions though. I'll have to consider my vote a lot more until I can be satisfied with having catched a strongly likely Mafia. The sorry in particular, along with the end of the post strike me as weird. "Hey, I think you might be mafia, really sorry about that. Also, for anyone reading this, I wouldn't listen to me, because I'm probably wrong, but at least I'm contributing right? Right?! I don't really like using meta as an argument, so I'm gonna ignore trying to tie it in to his past games as mafia and/or town, but from what I've read so far, this guy seems the best lynch candidate. ##Vote:Xatalos Wut? This post is extremely indecisive and THIS is a prime example of an unconvinced/unconvincing argument: "The current votes on Xata seem to be the best bet for the time being. This is for instance seems a little.. odd..." What kind of a reasoning is that? Can you get any more bandwagony?
Indecisive, yet results in a vote. Surely that makes it decisive? Your posts have seemed odd, and all the parts where you are questioning yourself is not something a town player would do. Once or twice from a new player, maybe, but you just seem to not want anyone to pay attention to you...
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On December 02 2012 05:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yeah, that's where I'm at with Zealos too austin, which puts me at a crossroads because Zealos also voted for Xatalos.
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MARV COME HERE I WANT YOU
Why exactly are you voting Xatalos?
He's scum hiding inside a tunnel = he's doing nothing but tunneling someone as a way to look active when he's doing nothing?
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On December 02 2012 05:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yeah, that's where I'm at with Zealos too austin, which puts me at a crossroads because Zealos also voted for Xatalos.
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MARV COME HERE I WANT YOU
yeah i don't like any of it.
I'm hesitant on Zealos because his play always comes across as super weakly to me. Although why he keeps referring to some game which was more than half my mafia career ago I have no idea.
Xatalos has managed to post so much without saying almost anything which is irritating. What makes me hesitant is that I can understand his thought process on some things. I also am having an extremely hard time getting town reads this game, and the timing of your debears case did seem opportunistic at the time (not even saying that's what it was, but I had that gut reaction at the time reading the thread).
Ace is a dick
bugs is a dick
Zentor is Zentor
ShiaoPi is pointless
All DYH has done is talk about Xatalos
Dandel has sat on his arse doing nothing literally all day.
I think... I want to lynch DarthPunk. I found his early defence of Xatalos quite bizarre and unnecessary. Not only this, it has been quite out of play with his subsequent play. DarthPunk tells us he was "feeling protective" of newbie Xatalos.
But he treats Lazermonkey, someone with not many games and with similar standing in the game, as a piece of fucking shit on the bottom of his shoe.
He also calls the whole thread useless and retards, which jarred at the point that a lot of us were genuinely trying to talk through Xatalos and other matters. It was just shitty ranting for the sake of shitty ranting.
I'm also not picking up any of the towntells I normally get from DP. They might just be absent and he's town, but I don't think so. He's aggressive without being helpful and I think we should lynch him today.
##vote: DarthPunk
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Zealos might be scum purely for the ellipses.
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Let's kill Zealos. I don't like Xatalos as a candidate anymore and LazerMonkey could just be bad too. I'm at least moderately confident Zealos is scum since I've personally seen him play as scum before. I agree entirely with what Austin has said about him-he comments on a lot of things but his comments are pretty much just air. He then hops on a bandwagon that has been going since the beginning of d1 with nothing more than "Xatalos is scummy, here's a quote so it looks like I'm doing some work."
He also seems afraid to put forth his opinions or attack players based on what he sees (e.g. the suspicion of Ace comment-would call him scum if he were someone else) which is not something townies generally do or should do.
##unvote Lazermonkey
##vote Zealos
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bugs, what has made you lose your confidence in Xatalos?
Also, what do you think of DP and what I've said about him?
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On December 02 2012 05:14 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 05:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yeah, that's where I'm at with Zealos too austin, which puts me at a crossroads because Zealos also voted for Xatalos.
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MARV COME HERE I WANT YOU yeah i don't like any of it. I'm hesitant on Zealos because his play always comes across as super weakly to me. Although why he keeps referring to some game which was more than half my mafia career ago I have no idea. Xatalos has managed to post so much without saying almost anything which is irritating. What makes me hesitant is that I can understand his thought process on some things. I also am having an extremely hard time getting town reads this game, and the timing of your debears case did seem opportunistic at the time (not even saying that's what it was, but I had that gut reaction at the time reading the thread). Ace is a dick bugs is a dick Zentor is Zentor ShiaoPi is pointless All DYH has done is talk about Xatalos Dandel has sat on his arse doing nothing literally all day. I think... I want to lynch DarthPunk. I found his early defence of Xatalos quite bizarre and unnecessary. Not only this, it has been quite out of play with his subsequent play. DarthPunk tells us he was "feeling protective" of newbie Xatalos. But he treats Lazermonkey, someone with not many games and with similar standing in the game, as a piece of fucking shit on the bottom of his shoe. He also calls the whole thread useless and retards, which jarred at the point that a lot of us were genuinely trying to talk through Xatalos and other matters. It was just shitty ranting for the sake of shitty ranting. I'm also not picking up any of the towntells I normally get from DP. They might just be absent and he's town, but I don't think so. He's aggressive without being helpful and I think we should lynch him today. ##vote: DarthPunk
yes, let's call scum one of the only players in the game who is not afraid to put forth his opinion.
The fuck are you smoking? Where is your meta read of DP coming from? Based on my cursory reads of his meta and past games, I have to agree 100% with his defense (to BH) and that you're completely wrong about how he plays both mafia and town.
In addition, since when is calling people dumb a scumtell? DP is clearly not afraid to draw attention to himself by saying the thread has so far been useless. I don't find that particularly scummy in most situations, so I don't understand how DP is suddenly the exception.
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austinmcc, you have good points about Zealos and ShiaoPi. I wouldn't be surprised if either of them was Mafia... Especially Zealos is starting to look like a good Mafia candidate. His latest post is such a treasure trove of potential Mafia slips. And his vote for me is way too half-hearted for him to actually think I'm Mafia. He says one of my posts is "a little odd" and votes based on that............. Really?
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On December 02 2012 05:20 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 05:14 marvellosity wrote:On December 02 2012 05:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yeah, that's where I'm at with Zealos too austin, which puts me at a crossroads because Zealos also voted for Xatalos.
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MARV COME HERE I WANT YOU yeah i don't like any of it. I'm hesitant on Zealos because his play always comes across as super weakly to me. Although why he keeps referring to some game which was more than half my mafia career ago I have no idea. Xatalos has managed to post so much without saying almost anything which is irritating. What makes me hesitant is that I can understand his thought process on some things. I also am having an extremely hard time getting town reads this game, and the timing of your debears case did seem opportunistic at the time (not even saying that's what it was, but I had that gut reaction at the time reading the thread). Ace is a dick bugs is a dick Zentor is Zentor ShiaoPi is pointless All DYH has done is talk about Xatalos Dandel has sat on his arse doing nothing literally all day. I think... I want to lynch DarthPunk. I found his early defence of Xatalos quite bizarre and unnecessary. Not only this, it has been quite out of play with his subsequent play. DarthPunk tells us he was "feeling protective" of newbie Xatalos. But he treats Lazermonkey, someone with not many games and with similar standing in the game, as a piece of fucking shit on the bottom of his shoe. He also calls the whole thread useless and retards, which jarred at the point that a lot of us were genuinely trying to talk through Xatalos and other matters. It was just shitty ranting for the sake of shitty ranting. I'm also not picking up any of the towntells I normally get from DP. They might just be absent and he's town, but I don't think so. He's aggressive without being helpful and I think we should lynch him today. ##vote: DarthPunk yes, let's call scum one of the only players in the game who is not afraid to put forth his opinion. The fuck are you smoking? Where is your meta read of DP coming from? Based on my cursory reads of his meta and past games, I have to agree 100% with his defense (to BH) and that you're completely wrong about how he plays both mafia and town. In addition, since when is calling people dumb a scumtell? DP is clearly not afraid to draw attention to himself by saying the thread has so far been useless. I don't find that particularly scummy in most situations, so I don't understand how DP is suddenly the exception.
I called his mafia play correctly in the game you hosted, Acme
I called his town play correctly in Mario when the whole town wanted to lynch him, I stopped it
His townplay is more constructive, has moments of unscripted lightheartedness, and is less purely aggressive than his scum play
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