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On November 28 2012 08:54 iamperfection wrote:
really i think i have been playing bad the things in my filter shouldn't make you think i'm town. My claims and damage reports should make you think it.
Don't sell yourself short.
This post right here is why I consider you town:
On November 25 2012 13:16 iamperfection wrote:
dino you have my vote if you remove phagga. from besides myself (obiously) i would like you to pick marv he would be my top town read at this point.
I think your other picks are great.
Lets play the hypothetical logic game. You pushed to have marv included in the Day 3 team, over Phagga. If you are scum and phagga is scum, you just campaigned to have one of your teammates replaced on the team by a (now confirmed) townie - probably not the optimal play. If you are scum and phagga is town, you just traded one townie on the mission for another - why would scum bother?
No, I find you town for this action, pushing your better read over an unknown read. I admit I was on the fence about you until marv flipped, but with that knowledge, I happily made you yellow (most probably town) in my spreadsheet.
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On November 28 2012 10:51 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2012 10:26 iamperfection wrote:
hey the drunk excuse is my thing don't steal it Not this game its not... Show nested quote +On November 28 2012 10:29 Djodref wrote:
EBWOP: then shoot Cave and even after that Adam if we cannot find scum in Hopeless/Z-bo/phagga. Toad first, followed by whoever the fuck else. Why do you place phagga in there? Lack of content or some new triangle of scummy yelling that I'm not aware of?
Phagga is playing safe and flows under the radar. Z-Bo is playing in a similar way and his activity doesn't match our mario game. I'm just getting wary of them.
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On November 27 2012 21:19 syllogism wrote:
One has to wonder how whoever is responsible for Kita's guessing game knew that we would have a lynch day 2.
The game was worded so that I had to guess who would be elected or lynched, which is why I tend to think it was a targeted ability and not something built into the game.
Acro's role claim is the most important reveal since my last post so I'll go into this first.
First off, we treat Acro as an anti-town player. He claims to have a different win condition than us and refuses to reveal the details of this win condition. We cannot confirm he is third party. We only know that his alignment was outed by an investigative role and that he felt claiming third party was in his best interest. We don't have confirmation that he actually used a role check on day two. Keep in mind he revealed the role of a player who already had a scum check on him. As a survivalist, there is little reason to attract extra attention. By revealing his investigative role, he only made himself more of a threat to mafia night hits.
Now look at the timing of Acro's claim:
On November 28 2012 02:38 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2012 02:26 risk.nuke wrote:On November 28 2012 01:50 Acrofales wrote:On November 28 2012 01:46 risk.nuke wrote:On November 28 2012 01:43 Acrofales wrote:On November 28 2012 01:39 risk.nuke wrote:
If you're third party and you're good for town why don't you want to say what you want to do, you're asking us to trust you leaving you alive is in towns best interest. What third party have 1-shot cop. I can't say what I need to do, because anybody with Chrono Trigger lore knowledge will probably be able to figure out who I am. As there's probably mechanisms to prevent that from being a good idea, you'll just have to trust me. Have I given you any reason not to trust me? Lets put it this way, If you were third party who's objective would hurt town. Would you claim that or something in the lines of what you just did? I would lie my ass off. However, I would probably not be leaking 3rd party on all sides. I am a better player than that and you should know it. I played the way I did precisely because I am helping town. If you have any specific accusations, go ahead and make them. You were suspected as scum even with the play you've played. Playing worse might had gotten you lynched already. You're asking us to trust you but you should understand there is no way that's going to happen. Really? I was in danger of being lynched? I want some of what you're smoking. Votes on Acro D2: 0. People who wanted to take me to the prom D3: 2 claimed before I put an end to it. The next lynch is pretty much locked in on Toad, so I didn't have to fear that either. When exactly was I in ANY danger of being lynched?!
Acro explains things well enough here.
He was in no danger of being lynched this cycle.
He was in no danger of being lynched next cycle.
So as a third party player, why would he open himself up to two extra cycles of night actions if there is a player that is trying to kill him? Why not claim three cycles from now?
Currently, I feel the town has given Acro far too much leeway with his secrets. He no longer gets to make his own decisions. We get to make them for him.
Acro claims to have been provided a fake claim. He needs to reveal this fake claim now so we confirm it isn't counterclaimed and that no other player is able to use this claim later on.
Acro needs to role claim. If he truly is a third party player who is being targeted by another player, I'm sure they've already put two and two together. Hiding this information isn't going to keep him safe. If he wants to cooperate with town he needs to reveal his role name, his role, and his win conditions. He no longer has the luxury of keeping these things secret after claiming for survival. If he refuses, we should assume he doesn't have town's best interest at heart.
(Please don't shoot me for standing up to you :p )
For the team selection I propose:
Dieno, syllo, clarity, TC
I don't really feel I have to go into reasons for the first three players. Dieno hasn't had a chance for leadership yet and is requesting it, which is why I prefer him as leader over syllo.
TC now has revealed two separate investigative checks that have benefited town. With Acro feeling necessary to claim, we can confirm the legitimacy of his check. I see no reason why someone like phagga or hap should be included over him.
In the event that the mafia has the ability to day vig or exclude one of the players in this group of four players, we should probably have a backup, which should be iamperfection based upon his healing of marv, which hasn't been counterclaimed.
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Good lord, another person that can't read?
zzzzzz
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EBWOP:
By that I mean, you can only pick one out of Dieno/Clarity/Oats. Not 2 of them.
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+ Show Spoiler +On November 28 2012 09:57 goodkarma wrote:
My strongandbig read was in fact in large part due to activity, in addition to the incomplete cases / reads he was bringing up. I was unaware, however, of the severe lack of internet he was experiencing, and will back off of him for now...
In its place I provide a mafia (the game) favorite, a scum suspect shortlist:
1) Iamp - I have a good "gut feel" about this guy I guess you could say. But he still has yet to contribute anything meaningful, which earns him a spot here. Would be willing to give him more time to see if his roleclaim checks out.
2) VE - Shoot him dead. I actually think he might be more likely to be town than scum given his enthusiasm for playing scum. But if an elimination-based approach for finding scum is to work, he has to go. He has not posted enough to make a meaningful read...
3) phagga - Need to reread his filter at some point (but not something I'm focusing on today). He has been pro-town in his contributions, but I can't help but feel he is also "playing it safe" and doing what he can to fly under the radar...
4) Adam - lurker who might need to be shot too.
5) Kita - I'm inclined to believe Marv's read of 3rd party
6) Cave - This guy won't be figured out without getting vigi killed. Shoot first, ask questions later...
7) Z-boson - From my experience with him, he likes to play pretty safe as scum, whereas as town he is rather reckless to the point of being pretty easy to mislynch. He definitely is making his own reads and contributing to thread, but all his reads I would call "safe" ones in that he is targeting almost exclusively lurkers... Null read atm, even after looking into filter.
8) Prox - Tbh I don't know what to do with him. Syllo's input is definitely appreciated, but I don't see him as a strong scum read (closer to null...).
9) Strong - I had a strong scum read based both off meta and on filter. However, with meta differences explained, I'm inclined to give him more of a chance to establish himself as town before coming to conclusions.
10) Toad - Scum
11) Hopeless (maybe) - clearly anti-town, but I'm still not convinced that he's scum. Would even go so far as to say slight town read...
goodkarma, your suspect 'short list' is actually quite long and rather unfocused.
It boils down to a list of null reads besides the confirmed scum and advocating patience.
I'm curious, risk.nuke is surprisingly missing from your list. Does this mean you have some kind of solid read on him? Enlighten me as to what that is please.
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On November 28 2012 11:53 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 21:19 syllogism wrote:
One has to wonder how whoever is responsible for Kita's guessing game knew that we would have a lynch day 2. The game was worded so that I had to guess who would be elected or lynched, which is why I tend to think it was a targeted ability and not something built into the game. Acro's role claim is the most important reveal since my last post so I'll go into this first. First off, we treat Acro as an anti-town player. He claims to have a different win condition than us and refuses to reveal the details of this win condition. We cannot confirm he is third party. We only know that his alignment was outed by an investigative role and that he felt claiming third party was in his best interest. We don't have confirmation that he actually used a role check on day two. Keep in mind he revealed the role of a player who already had a scum check on him. As a survivalist, there is little reason to attract extra attention. By revealing his investigative role, he only made himself more of a threat to mafia night hits. Now look at the timing of Acro's claim: Show nested quote +On November 28 2012 02:38 Acrofales wrote:On November 28 2012 02:26 risk.nuke wrote:On November 28 2012 01:50 Acrofales wrote:On November 28 2012 01:46 risk.nuke wrote:On November 28 2012 01:43 Acrofales wrote:On November 28 2012 01:39 risk.nuke wrote:
If you're third party and you're good for town why don't you want to say what you want to do, you're asking us to trust you leaving you alive is in towns best interest. What third party have 1-shot cop. I can't say what I need to do, because anybody with Chrono Trigger lore knowledge will probably be able to figure out who I am. As there's probably mechanisms to prevent that from being a good idea, you'll just have to trust me. Have I given you any reason not to trust me? Lets put it this way, If you were third party who's objective would hurt town. Would you claim that or something in the lines of what you just did? I would lie my ass off. However, I would probably not be leaking 3rd party on all sides. I am a better player than that and you should know it. I played the way I did precisely because I am helping town. If you have any specific accusations, go ahead and make them. You were suspected as scum even with the play you've played. Playing worse might had gotten you lynched already. You're asking us to trust you but you should understand there is no way that's going to happen. Really? I was in danger of being lynched? I want some of what you're smoking. Votes on Acro D2: 0. People who wanted to take me to the prom D3: 2 claimed before I put an end to it. The next lynch is pretty much locked in on Toad, so I didn't have to fear that either. When exactly was I in ANY danger of being lynched?! Acro explains things well enough here. He was in no danger of being lynched this cycle. He was in no danger of being lynched next cycle. So as a third party player, why would he open himself up to two extra cycles of night actions if there is a player that is trying to kill him? Why not claim three cycles from now? Currently, I feel the town has given Acro far too much leeway with his secrets. He no longer gets to make his own decisions. We get to make them for him. Acro claims to have been provided a fake claim. He needs to reveal this fake claim now so we confirm it isn't counterclaimed and that no other player is able to use this claim later on. Acro needs to role claim. If he truly is a third party player who is being targeted by another player, I'm sure they've already put two and two together. Hiding this information isn't going to keep him safe. If he wants to cooperate with town he needs to reveal his role name, his role, and his win conditions. He no longer has the luxury of keeping these things secret after claiming for survival. If he refuses, we should assume he doesn't have town's best interest at heart. (Please don't shoot me for standing up to you :p ) For the team selection I propose: Dieno, syllo, clarity, TCI don't really feel I have to go into reasons for the first three players. Dieno hasn't had a chance for leadership yet and is requesting it, which is why I prefer him as leader over syllo. TC now has revealed two separate investigative checks that have benefited town. With Acro feeling necessary to claim, we can confirm the legitimacy of his check. I see no reason why someone like phagga or hap should be included over him. In the event that the mafia has the ability to day vig or exclude one of the players in this group of four players, we should probably have a backup, which should be iamperfection based upon his healing of marv, which hasn't been counterclaimed.
Your team is not possible for today. We have to take only one member of our previous party.
I would gladly take TC seat in this party. We don't know for sure yet that TC investigative checks are good or not. Of course, they look ok but I don't think that TC is that obvious of a town player.
I hope that Dieno is going to confirm that I saved him D2 and is going to take me in his party.
Dieno, syllo, Keir, Djodref is my proposition.
My vote stays on Keir until Dieno takes his decision.
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On November 28 2012 11:57 Keirathi wrote:
EBWOP:
By that I mean, you can only pick one out of Dieno/Clarity/Oats. Not 2 of them.
Sorry, I meant you, not Clarity, when typing that.
Dieno, syllo, keirathi, TC
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@Kita: when someone non-3P wants me to claim I will still say no. You are at the top of my list of the reasons I didn't fully claim. Like hell I am going to claim.
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On November 28 2012 12:19 Acrofales wrote:
@Kita: when someone non-3P wants me to claim I will still say no. You are at the top of my list of the reasons I didn't fully claim. Like hell I am going to claim.
Of course you won't. Props for even trying to discredit my alignment in your refusal 
Lets start simple and reveal the fake claim you were given.
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On November 28 2012 12:25 Acrofales wrote:
Do you think I'm scum?
I think there is no reason to trust your promise that you have the town's best interest in mind.
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On November 28 2012 12:30 kitaman27 wrote:I think there is no reason to trust your promise that you have the town's best interest in mind.
Look at me caring. I don't trust that town has my best interest in mind. How about we all look out for ourselves and when town beats Lavos and I survive we can go our own ways. Deal?
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Oh, and I do think Marv was onto something when he called you for being 3P. You can bitch and moan that in other games you were called 3P, but in this game you have done jack shit. I have done more for this town than you and you have the nerve to try to order me about.
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On November 28 2012 12:38 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2012 12:30 kitaman27 wrote:On November 28 2012 12:25 Acrofales wrote:
Do you think I'm scum? I think there is no reason to trust your promise that you have the town's best interest in mind. Look at me caring. I don't trust that town has my best interest in mind. How about we all look out for ourselves and when town beats Lavos and I survive we can go our own ways. Deal?
Who's your fake claim?
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On November 28 2012 12:40 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2012 12:38 Acrofales wrote:On November 28 2012 12:30 kitaman27 wrote:On November 28 2012 12:25 Acrofales wrote:
Do you think I'm scum? I think there is no reason to trust your promise that you have the town's best interest in mind. Look at me caring. I don't trust that town has my best interest in mind. How about we all look out for ourselves and when town beats Lavos and I survive we can go our own ways. Deal? Who's your fake claim?
Jessica Rabbit.
Oh no, wait. That was last game.
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Tell me again why you think my fake claim will do town any good at all. I asked Greymist specifically for a fakeclaim that made sense with my actual role. It's not as if scum can use it. But if they ever try to, I'll be happy to point out my bread crumb (happy hunting).
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
In the event that you are mafia, revealing the fake claim means that the mafia team would have one claim to work with late game.
meh I guess if you're not going to cooperate, we just deal with you accordingly after Toad.
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On November 28 2012 12:52 kitaman27 wrote:
In the event that you are mafia, revealing the fake claim means that the mafia team would have one claim to work with late game.
meh I guess if you're not going to cooperate, we just deal with you accordingly after Toad.
Or maybe you're in fact scum having the trouble that you don't know which claim on your list will be counterclaimed. It's amazing that you seem MORE interested in my fake claim than my real claim.
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On November 28 2012 12:52 kitaman27 wrote:
In the event that you are mafia, revealing the fake claim means that the mafia team would have one claim to work with late game.
meh I guess if you're not going to cooperate, we just deal with you accordingly after Toad.
Oh, and I'm not mafia. Stop being retarded.
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