On November 27 2012 07:37 Djodref wrote: @iamp: I know you are lurking and reading this, I'll give you a pass for this time
I don't see any particular reason for me to be dead tomorrow morning so my "last will" is just going to be "blame marv if the event fail". Joking aside, I'm really expecting the event to succeed.
I've added two players in my shot possibilities, on top of VE and S&B. Players that I consider mafia players imo. Not telling who but I'll tell you tomorrow ^^
lurk
also you will be giving me a pass until the end of the game if you know whats good for you
On November 27 2012 07:52 Oatsmaster wrote: Djo, dont do things just because you are emotional, think it through and shoot your TOP scumread, other than Toad.
he was already lectured i trust djo will think it through
All this talk about shooting the lurkers is something I made up to force you to participate. I have also asked several people "if Toad dies tonight, bla bla bla". I hope that a mafia RB is going to be directed at me cause I take no action tonight ^^
My case will be on Hopeless1der. A lot of the things that make him my top scum read (besides Toad) are things that have taken on a different context in hindsight.
1) His vote for himself taking it off sylo.
On November 23 2012 07:53 Hopeless1der wrote: ##Unvote: Syllogism ##Vote: Hopeless1der
On November 23 2012 07:53 Hopeless1der wrote: ##Unvote: Syllogism ##Vote: Hopeless1der
Things and such.
What do you hope to achieve? What is your reasoning for this?
I honestly don't know, but I don't see a 10 point swing coming, so I feel safe doing this for the sake of seeing if things happen as a result
Does your vote have an influence on your role?
I am not currently aware of any such influence.
Next up we have his actions towards Sandro, who we now know was scum. These things might not point to scum otherwise, but with a confirmed flip I think it's telling.
On November 23 2012 09:06 Adam4167 wrote: In regards to my post to kita, I think it stands fine as it is. I am trying to figure out what the hell he is doing, because he claims to want to be taken seriously, but then posts a page of 'joke' reads and then campaigns as if they're perfectly acceptable. I am trying to ascertain if he is just goofing around, and I should ignore him, or if hes intentionally posting more garbage into this thread, something I think we can do without.
I had one joke post and one joke read on risk. That's like 5% of my posts, yet you've brought it up three different times. Is this really your biggest concern.
I nominate Cave as an alternative to sandroba (I'm still in favor of a sandroba lynch while he continues to be afk, and likely even after he returns)
On November 23 2012 02:46 CaveJohnson wrote: I blame Acro for this post but apparently my posting is too unique it doesn't work anyway and I feel I need to explain a few things to keep Acro / S+B being murdered because they know me too well.
I claim Drazerk the Invoker Chef
I prepare dishes far and wide and have learnt techniques lost in time. I have 27 1 time use abilities and 1 multiple use ability but I can't use any if I go on a mission. So far I know 2 of my abilities (THEY ARE SO GOOOOOOOD) and can gain the knowledge of 2 more each cycle (although I can technically use any ability without knowing what it does but I'm not that insane).
My success modifier is 4 which is too low to justify not using either of my 2 abilities I already have.
Also I still dislike Marv / DJ and I think any votes for Syllo is a vote wasted. However there is at least 1 third party in the game judging by my flavour (I can handle them myself before you ask).
Now to read what I've missed.
He's clearly lying about his success modifier. It's a hidden value and he has no benchmark to lead him to believe 4 is a high number. He isn't keeping up with the thread. He's likely lying about his role and has a history of lying about his role. For whatever reason, he claims to think he would be a likely roleblock target. He has a history of never contributing in any game he has ever played in (and I mean that in the nicest of ways <3)
Is he scum though? If it is draz, (and I have limited first hand experience) he does this kind of shit regardless. I'd rather not lynch him. I need to read sandroba, but before anything else, I cite his Looney Lynching play as exhibit A on why lack of activity =\= scum sandroba. His interactions with syllo on the other hand...well I'm going to go look into that one.
My setup exploration was unproductive by the way.
Is this a soft defense? Is it a slight accusation? I don't know, in fact it just looks like a bunch of nothing. If you still need to read Sandroba why do you feel the need to point out Looney Lynching mafia? And the ever famous scum pushing something off line, "I'm going to go look into that one" regarding his interactions with Sylo. Did he come back and talk about what he found? No.
On November 23 2012 09:31 Z-BosoN wrote: Also, am I the only one troubled that Toad is not posting relatively at all? In LVII he was annoying as hell with huge posts, being SK (but trying to look townie), and I haven't seen him doing this here at all...
On November 22 2012 23:56 Toadesstern wrote: @both: Yeah kind of. I really think that the most likely scenario is that either Sandro or Syllo is mafia. And I am trying to figure things out, hence the Kita vote :p
What if Kita is the actual scum, but they're waiting for some gullible town, so their bandwagon seems less suspect when it utterly fails the first event?
What if you and Kita are scum together and your feigned naiveté is a calculated ploy?
Why Kita, and not GK? Hell, why not Dieno? If your entire reason for voting is that he has no bandwagon behind him, Dieno seems by far the best choice.
What is your reason for voting for KITA? And not your reason for voting against Sandro and Syllo, which is a different question.
dude I just answered that with the post you quoted... Well not the 2nd question because that's obviously bullshit but everything else.
Okay, let me rephrase:
Your ONLY reason for thinking Kita is town is because you think one of Sandro/Syllo is scum. You are therefore blindly following him, implying you think he is not only town, but his judgement is good (and you therefore think Prom, Dieno and I are town as well).
Is this a correct assessment of your recent thought process?
nope
I would like to know why you are seeking to make yourself irrelevant in this town. What is your motivation for making obscure posts without reasoning, and therefore leading town to distrust or ignore what you say?
Why do you want this, Toad?
I still need to find the guy I want to vote for.
Syllo's most recent post was decent and so was Acros. Acro's apparently a bit on the slow side but that's fine. Risk is asking the wrong questions and you are suprisingly suprised about something you know very well and you should definitely not need to ask the questions you did. I would have expected you to just tell me to shut up and stop it without asking why I'm doing it.
That begs the question: why do you feel the need to emphasize on something like that when you shouldn't have to?
what do you mean I'm asking the wrong question? And what questions are you referring to? What the hell are you talking about?
The fact that you asked about Goodkarma rather than why I'm voting Kita without reasoning. I would have thought the 2nd one should be the more interesting part.
On November 23 2012 00:00 Acrofales wrote: [quote] What if Kita is the actual scum, but they're waiting for some gullible town, so their bandwagon seems less suspect when it utterly fails the first event?
What if you and Kita are scum together and your feigned naiveté is a calculated ploy?
Why Kita, and not GK? Hell, why not Dieno? If your entire reason for voting is that he has no bandwagon behind him, Dieno seems by far the best choice.
What is your reason for voting for KITA? And not your reason for voting against Sandro and Syllo, which is a different question.
dude I just answered that with the post you quoted... Well not the 2nd question because that's obviously bullshit but everything else.
Okay, let me rephrase:
Your ONLY reason for thinking Kita is town is because you think one of Sandro/Syllo is scum. You are therefore blindly following him, implying you think he is not only town, but his judgement is good (and you therefore think Prom, Dieno and I are town as well).
Is this a correct assessment of your recent thought process?
nope
I would like to know why you are seeking to make yourself irrelevant in this town. What is your motivation for making obscure posts without reasoning, and therefore leading town to distrust or ignore what you say?
Why do you want this, Toad?
I still need to find the guy I want to vote for.
Syllo's most recent post was decent and so was Acros. Acro's apparently a bit on the slow side but that's fine. Risk is asking the wrong questions and you are suprisingly suprised about something you know very well and you should definitely not need to ask the questions you did. I would have expected you to just tell me to shut up and stop it without asking why I'm doing it.
That begs the question: why do you feel the need to emphasize on something like that when you shouldn't have to?
Why would you expect this at all? The Toad I know for either alignment doesn't seek to marginalise himself like you seem to want to be doing.
If you still need to find a guy you want to vote for, why have you made a placeholder vote? In your first post of the game you said you would only be voting for someone you definitely had a townread on.
Your play definitely needs emphasizing because it is out of character for you and it is quite important to know why.
Okay marv. How many games did we play together? Tell me just one game in which I don't do things with lacking reasoning to get some reactions. I mean I wouldn't put it that way:
Why would you expect this at all? The Toad I know for either alignment doesn't seek to marginalise himself like you seem to want to be doing.
because that's hardly the intention but I'm doing that literally every single game. Hence my suprise about why you're so puzzled of all people.
Perhaps I don't remember your play too well, then. Sure you do illogical things, and half the time I don't understand what your posts are saying, but usually they are part of some big show. I don't think I'm wrong to think this. There's a lack of HypnoToad so far, don't you think?
For all I know what you're criticising is "HypnoToad". Remember the game I was the phone booth mason in which you were mafia? I'd say that game was a characteristic "screw this I'm board, let's HypnoToad"-game to the extreme. I'm not planning on doing that again but that's what "HypnoToad" is about. Yeah there was no big fireworks this time around but it's still early in the game, isn't it? So I'm really having troubles with your judgement here. You're telling me there was little HypnoToad in this game so far and yet you're criticising me right now? That just not making sense and again, I feel like you should know better of all the people.
On November 23 2012 00:00 Acrofales wrote: [quote] What if Kita is the actual scum, but they're waiting for some gullible town, so their bandwagon seems less suspect when it utterly fails the first event?
What if you and Kita are scum together and your feigned naiveté is a calculated ploy?
Why Kita, and not GK? Hell, why not Dieno? If your entire reason for voting is that he has no bandwagon behind him, Dieno seems by far the best choice.
What is your reason for voting for KITA? And not your reason for voting against Sandro and Syllo, which is a different question.
dude I just answered that with the post you quoted... Well not the 2nd question because that's obviously bullshit but everything else.
Okay, let me rephrase:
Your ONLY reason for thinking Kita is town is because you think one of Sandro/Syllo is scum. You are therefore blindly following him, implying you think he is not only town, but his judgement is good (and you therefore think Prom, Dieno and I are town as well).
Is this a correct assessment of your recent thought process?
nope
I would like to know why you are seeking to make yourself irrelevant in this town. What is your motivation for making obscure posts without reasoning, and therefore leading town to distrust or ignore what you say?
Why do you want this, Toad?
I still need to find the guy I want to vote for.
Syllo's most recent post was decent and so was Acros. Acro's apparently a bit on the slow side but that's fine. Risk is asking the wrong questions and you are suprisingly suprised about something you know very well and you should definitely not need to ask the questions you did. I would have expected you to just tell me to shut up and stop it without asking why I'm doing it.
That begs the question: why do you feel the need to emphasize on something like that when you shouldn't have to?
Why would you expect this at all? The Toad I know for either alignment doesn't seek to marginalise himself like you seem to want to be doing.
If you still need to find a guy you want to vote for, why have you made a placeholder vote? In your first post of the game you said you would only be voting for someone you definitely had a townread on.
Your play definitely needs emphasizing because it is out of character for you and it is quite important to know why.
Okay marv. How many games did we play together? Tell me just one game in which I don't do things with lacking reasoning to get some reactions. I mean I wouldn't put it that way:
Why would you expect this at all? The Toad I know for either alignment doesn't seek to marginalise himself like you seem to want to be doing.
because that's hardly the intention but I'm doing that literally every single game. Hence my suprise about why you're so puzzled of all people.
Oh god, is this Toad the drama queen feeling unloved because he didn't get elected party leader, so will now throw a temper tantrum by playing badly until the rest of town listens to him?
Dude, if you knew :p I'm going to run to leader every single day from now on. I have to, it's my nature
Having played only a couple games with Toad, I'm not all that familiar with HypnoToad. Is that kind of what you're talking about Z-Bo? Can you link a couple town games that you think he isnt living up to?
And this piece of work. This one actually is near null for me, but what does it accomplish? Was zbo not descriptive enough when he said he was disturbed by Toad's lack of posting? This is a post that once again, does nothing. Null on its own, but when taken in the context of this post...
On November 23 2012 09:41 Hopeless1der wrote: EBWOP: he was an assassin, not SK but anyways
So you have the knowledge of Toad's actual role name in a game but don't know what zbo is talking about when referencing him?
On November 23 2012 10:11 Hopeless1der wrote: Oats, you're lucky I have no new info to speculate with, or I'd derail the shit out of things with setup speculation.
So... we're lucky you didn't have anything else to shit up the thread with, so you're just going to fill it with more nothing. That makes sense. Onto his defense of sand...
On November 24 2012 00:49 Hopeless1der wrote: I've read through sand's filter and I'm not content to lynch him today. I would like to see him scumhunt, but he called half the party early in the day
On November 22 2012 17:26 sandroba wrote: @syllo that was me quickly reading through the thread and answering stuff after going out. I ignored your mafia question because honestly I'm not putting too much thought into it. When I can't acertain the dude is town I pretty much dismiss it till later, since so far we can't really do much about it. I'm kinda hurt that you think there is a >50% chance that I'm mafia. </3
On this, I feel syllo is best suited to legitimately make the case against sandroba today, but given that we wanted a town-party, I don't find his reluctance to give reads that scummy. I don't see big mafia motive behind sand's actions thus far. His proposed party is consistent:
On November 22 2012 17:38 sandroba wrote: @gk from what he claimed marv needs to have less than 30 hp for him to die? Well I'd rather just wait then think about it. It's pretty lucky that I can get those 3 tbh, that would be ideal imo.
This was the only post that jumped out at me as completely useless filler reading through his filter. It doesn't really do anything to further a read, and doesn't really think through the likelyhood of kush dying. It'll stick in the back of my mind, but I don't want to lynch over 1 trivial post and a lack of activity. I need to go find someone I do want to lynch.
Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but calling half of the party that gets taken shouldn't really be an accomplishment when there's a possibilty that he's going to flip scum. Why didn't hopeless consider this possibility? And WE shifted to sylo? Sure you jumped on him, but then (referencing him earlier) you jumped right back off. Again, why? You never really said. This post isn't even a very convincing defense. And you need to find someone you do want to lynch? Sweet, who's it gonna be? After not finding sandroba a good lynch target I'm going to assume it takes a lot for you to lynch someone...
On November 24 2012 06:17 TheChronicler wrote: I still like a Sandro lynch. My problem eith him is that I think he knows too much. He's also got the most people consolidated on him.
How the fuck does that make him scum?
It doesn't? Why read into it like that?
You were giving reasons for why you wanted to lynch him. Our goal is to lynch scum. Therefore the bolded part of your post is completely, 100% irrelevant. So why did you even say it?
No, I was giving reasons for a Sandro lynch. There's a difference there. It went 1) reason I think he's scum 2) reason I think he's still a good lynch candidate
you mean you'd lynch for reasons OTHER than being scum? ##Vote: TheChronicler
p.s. I've been skimming the thread, Chronicler is very scummy looking, I'll be back in 5ish hours to, you know, actually play the game instead of sitting by the sidelines.
Oh... I guess it doesn't. I guess all it takes is for you to "misunderstand" a post. The REAL telling thing here is the bolded. Where was it? It never happened. You never actually made a case against me. And then we're back to more of the same...
On November 24 2012 11:45 Hopeless1der wrote:
I still don't know if I buy this though. Seems like he used more than 1 ability last night.
These abilities are from the original invoker from the Warcraft Dota. Super old, and quite frankly its retarded that draz fails to explain this better.
Is this for real? You quoted actual invoker abilities as if they'd be relevant to this game? This post is worse than filler, it's actively trying to get the trhead to talk about something irrelevant.
I'm not going to quote today, because I'm probably being too biased at this point. Today you've decided to try and place a vote on Toad to keep him from taking damage under some sort of far off possibility. So you're saying you're going to potentially SAVE someone who would otherwise take 500 dmg, and has two red checks?!? I don't know about you, but I couldn't take a 500 dmg hit right now. Why were you trying to save him? His death means we get a real lynch tomorrow. Oh and there's this...
On November 26 2012 00:19 risk.nuke wrote: Why am I like a ghost in these games. Even when I run for leader I am mostly ignored.
I think it's because you are not active enough I won't vote for you by the way, there are some people that I trust more. I understand how you feel if it can do any good to you.
It doesn't do me any good, you're free to vote for whoever you want but even if you don't want to vote for me you can still comment on me for everyone's benefit.
Well, I would not vote for the following reasons
The waiting game you have played yesterday with your vote on Sandro, nice way for not contributing during a lynch day
The way you answered kitaman suspicions towards you ("scummy post from a scummy player")
The fact that you are not active enough, I expect a party leader to have some leadership
The fact that you take syllo and TheChronicler in your team. Dieno and Oats is better than syllo and Oats. TheChronicler is meh....
I have been active and don't get into sementics, would you had approved if I had said. I'm not going to take my vote of the scummiest player just because he's avoiding the thread.
Kitaman had done squat all game which is more then enough to justify the title of scummy behaviour when he showed up with a pisspoor case against me.
As I said I don't think Dia is a good addition to the team. Do you believe there are no repercussions to prevent town from beating the game using claims? And in addition to that he's lost the majority of his hp. Hypothetically what if a condition is if a teammember has less then x hp the mission will fail, or maybe it will fail and kill him.
Syllo is by far better then both oats and dia, I've considered keith being better then oats aswell. And chronicler is very likely town. He's the one who copchecked toad so unless you think scum is trading 1for1 you shouldn't doubt him.
@risk.nuke
You have not been as active as marv for example. I would have liked if you have participated more in the scum hunt during D2. Toad was not so difficult to find for example... (Correct me if I'm wrong but I assumed that you were familiar Toad here)
Ok, fair enough.
Ok, that's speculating. I have more faith in a town Dieno than in a town syllo, and that's all what matters for me. Anyway, if we present 4 town members, the event is going to succeed for sure I guess. Easy enough imho...
What do you mean by "better" ? I'm only caring about the fact that they are more confirmed town.
TheChronicler could have bussed Toad with a fake cope claim. The only thing that indicates a town TheChronicler is this copeclaim...
you think acro faked his copclaim as well?
Why are you trying to cast doubt on acro? Trying to get him lynched? Could it be because... Day 2 actions 200 gold Popcorn You target 2 players. you will be told if they are the same alignment or different alignments. Day 2 results: hopeless1der and acrofales, different.
All this talk about shooting the lurkers is something I made up to force you to participate. I have also asked several people "if Toad dies tonight, bla bla bla". I hope that a mafia RB is going to be directed at me cause I take no action tonight ^^
The party advanced forwards, with the classy Oatsmaster leading the advance into the abandoned church along with the cocky Marvellosity, the swag-master Clarity_Nl, and the cutie pie Deinosore. In the Arris Dome they saw a small community of dirty looking depressed people.
“We need to get out of this dump! Give us the keys to that car!”
Oatsmaster, the fearless party leader, grabs the keys from the dirty looking people in Arris Dome. He leads the way north to Lab 32, and jams the forcefully jams incorrect keys into an bright purple and yellow hovercraft. To everyone surprise this worked!
“Hey, I bet your peice of junk hovercraft, can’t beat my bike in a race ”, yelled GMarshal the racer outlaw.
Marvellosity, was surprised anyone would talk down to him like that. He shouted back, “We could beat you even with all four of us loading down the hovercraft...... And with our eyes closed! Hell, we will bet 1000G on it!”
Of course, the GMarshal graciously took this offer. And the race began!
As the party started up the car, the weight of the four of them was definitely taking its toll. The car was moving slower than anyone expected.
But Dienosore had a plan to make the hovercraft go faster! He pulled some pretty pink ribbons out of his pocket and attached them to the back end. However, this did not do anything except make the party look fabulous.
GMarshal was pulling ahead, as the driver, Oatsmaster could not see a thing thanks to Marvellosity’s foolish bet.
“Marvellosity, I am so sick of you! GL HF”, shouted Clarity_Nl, as he pushed him out of the moving hovercraft. “ We will come back for you, espeically if we owe GMarshal 1000G!”
Without the weight of Marvellosity holding them back, the party zipped past GMarshal and won the race! However, to no surprise, GMarshal took off, and didn’t hold up his end of the bet.
When the party went back for Marvellosity, they found his body in a mangled bloody mess with black tire marks staining his skin. GMarshal must have run him over when he fled the raceway!
Welcome To Chrono Trigger Mafia! You are King Guardia XXI. You are the ruler of the realm in 600 AD and are locked in a fierce battle with the fiendlord. It is a time for great leadership, and the heroes of the land need your blessings. Each night you may cast King's Blessing on a target, and they will take 50% damage for the night phase. You also have the following 1 shot ability for use during the day: Knight. Once per game you may Knight a target player. this player will automatically be in the party for an event. this ability must be used 10 hours prior to the deadline, as the mailing system in 600 AD is rather slow. The elected party leader will be told that this player must be in the party. If you are in the time period 600 AD, you may choose to Bless 2 players instead of just 1. you have 450 Max HP. You win with the town.
The Cycle 3 Event was a success!!!
Cycle 4 will be a Party Election. Vote in the voting thread who you would like to have elected party leader for this cycle! You cannot vote the last party leader, you also can only take 1/2 the previous alive members into the current party!
The next cycle post well be on Thursday, Nov 29 12:00am GMT (GMT+00:00)
gg marv. Response to TC's case (my responses in red):
On November 27 2012 08:00 TheChronicler wrote: My case will be on Hopeless1der. A lot of the things that make him my top scum read (besides Toad) are things that have taken on a different context in hindsight. 1) His vote for himself taking it off sylo.
On November 23 2012 07:53 Hopeless1der wrote: ##Unvote: Syllogism ##Vote: Hopeless1der
Things and such.
What do you hope to achieve? What is your reasoning for this?
I honestly don't know, but I don't see a 10 point swing coming, so I feel safe doing this for the sake of seeing if things happen as a result
Does your vote have an influence on your role?
I am not currently aware of any such influence.
I'm an explorer. I said I was not currently aware, but my role PM explicitly denies me knowledge of my role abilities. I have one ability that in turn grants me new (unknown) abilities. As such, venturing off on my own (voting myself) seemed appropriate to my role, I took a guess at 'things that might do stuff based on my role'. It didn't do anything, but it was worth a shot. My actions had no effect on the election.
Next up we have his actions towards Sandro, who we now know was scum. These things might not point to scum otherwise, but with a confirmed flip I think it's telling.
On November 23 2012 09:06 Adam4167 wrote: In regards to my post to kita, I think it stands fine as it is. I am trying to figure out what the hell he is doing, because he claims to want to be taken seriously, but then posts a page of 'joke' reads and then campaigns as if they're perfectly acceptable. I am trying to ascertain if he is just goofing around, and I should ignore him, or if hes intentionally posting more garbage into this thread, something I think we can do without.
I had one joke post and one joke read on risk. That's like 5% of my posts, yet you've brought it up three different times. Is this really your biggest concern.
I nominate Cave as an alternative to sandroba (I'm still in favor of a sandroba lynch while he continues to be afk, and likely even after he returns)
On November 23 2012 02:46 CaveJohnson wrote: I blame Acro for this post but apparently my posting is too unique it doesn't work anyway and I feel I need to explain a few things to keep Acro / S+B being murdered because they know me too well.
I claim Drazerk the Invoker Chef
I prepare dishes far and wide and have learnt techniques lost in time. I have 27 1 time use abilities and 1 multiple use ability but I can't use any if I go on a mission. So far I know 2 of my abilities (THEY ARE SO GOOOOOOOD) and can gain the knowledge of 2 more each cycle (although I can technically use any ability without knowing what it does but I'm not that insane).
My success modifier is 4 which is too low to justify not using either of my 2 abilities I already have.
Also I still dislike Marv / DJ and I think any votes for Syllo is a vote wasted. However there is at least 1 third party in the game judging by my flavour (I can handle them myself before you ask).
Now to read what I've missed.
He's clearly lying about his success modifier. It's a hidden value and he has no benchmark to lead him to believe 4 is a high number. He isn't keeping up with the thread. He's likely lying about his role and has a history of lying about his role. For whatever reason, he claims to think he would be a likely roleblock target. He has a history of never contributing in any game he has ever played in (and I mean that in the nicest of ways <3)
Is he scum though? If it is draz, (and I have limited first hand experience) he does this kind of shit regardless. I'd rather not lynch him. I need to read sandroba, but before anything else, I cite his Looney Lynching play as exhibit A on why lack of activity =\= scum sandroba. His interactions with syllo on the other hand...well I'm going to go look into that one.
My setup exploration was unproductive by the way.
Is this a soft defense? Is it a slight accusation? I don't know, in fact it just looks like a bunch of nothing. If you still need to read Sandroba why do you feel the need to point out Looney Lynching mafia? And the ever famous scum pushing something off line, "I'm going to go look into that one" regarding his interactions with Sylo. Did he come back and talk about what he found? No. ...You quoted my sand read further down. It being wrong doesn't mean it never happened. Not referencing the syllo interaction directly is the only thing that holds water here. Also, I make note of my "setup exploration" refering to the errant vote I dropped on myself.
On November 23 2012 09:31 Z-BosoN wrote: Also, am I the only one troubled that Toad is not posting relatively at all? In LVII he was annoying as hell with huge posts, being SK (but trying to look townie), and I haven't seen him doing this here at all...
On November 22 2012 23:56 Toadesstern wrote: @both: Yeah kind of. I really think that the most likely scenario is that either Sandro or Syllo is mafia. And I am trying to figure things out, hence the Kita vote :p
What if Kita is the actual scum, but they're waiting for some gullible town, so their bandwagon seems less suspect when it utterly fails the first event?
What if you and Kita are scum together and your feigned naiveté is a calculated ploy?
Why Kita, and not GK? Hell, why not Dieno? If your entire reason for voting is that he has no bandwagon behind him, Dieno seems by far the best choice.
What is your reason for voting for KITA? And not your reason for voting against Sandro and Syllo, which is a different question.
dude I just answered that with the post you quoted... Well not the 2nd question because that's obviously bullshit but everything else.
Okay, let me rephrase:
Your ONLY reason for thinking Kita is town is because you think one of Sandro/Syllo is scum. You are therefore blindly following him, implying you think he is not only town, but his judgement is good (and you therefore think Prom, Dieno and I are town as well).
Is this a correct assessment of your recent thought process?
nope
I would like to know why you are seeking to make yourself irrelevant in this town. What is your motivation for making obscure posts without reasoning, and therefore leading town to distrust or ignore what you say?
Why do you want this, Toad?
I still need to find the guy I want to vote for.
Syllo's most recent post was decent and so was Acros. Acro's apparently a bit on the slow side but that's fine. Risk is asking the wrong questions and you are suprisingly suprised about something you know very well and you should definitely not need to ask the questions you did. I would have expected you to just tell me to shut up and stop it without asking why I'm doing it.
That begs the question: why do you feel the need to emphasize on something like that when you shouldn't have to?
what do you mean I'm asking the wrong question? And what questions are you referring to? What the hell are you talking about?
The fact that you asked about Goodkarma rather than why I'm voting Kita without reasoning. I would have thought the 2nd one should be the more interesting part.
On November 23 2012 00:00 Acrofales wrote: [quote] What if Kita is the actual scum, but they're waiting for some gullible town, so their bandwagon seems less suspect when it utterly fails the first event?
What if you and Kita are scum together and your feigned naiveté is a calculated ploy?
Why Kita, and not GK? Hell, why not Dieno? If your entire reason for voting is that he has no bandwagon behind him, Dieno seems by far the best choice.
What is your reason for voting for KITA? And not your reason for voting against Sandro and Syllo, which is a different question.
dude I just answered that with the post you quoted... Well not the 2nd question because that's obviously bullshit but everything else.
Okay, let me rephrase:
Your ONLY reason for thinking Kita is town is because you think one of Sandro/Syllo is scum. You are therefore blindly following him, implying you think he is not only town, but his judgement is good (and you therefore think Prom, Dieno and I are town as well).
Is this a correct assessment of your recent thought process?
nope
I would like to know why you are seeking to make yourself irrelevant in this town. What is your motivation for making obscure posts without reasoning, and therefore leading town to distrust or ignore what you say?
Why do you want this, Toad?
I still need to find the guy I want to vote for.
Syllo's most recent post was decent and so was Acros. Acro's apparently a bit on the slow side but that's fine. Risk is asking the wrong questions and you are suprisingly suprised about something you know very well and you should definitely not need to ask the questions you did. I would have expected you to just tell me to shut up and stop it without asking why I'm doing it.
That begs the question: why do you feel the need to emphasize on something like that when you shouldn't have to?
Why would you expect this at all? The Toad I know for either alignment doesn't seek to marginalise himself like you seem to want to be doing.
If you still need to find a guy you want to vote for, why have you made a placeholder vote? In your first post of the game you said you would only be voting for someone you definitely had a townread on.
Your play definitely needs emphasizing because it is out of character for you and it is quite important to know why.
Okay marv. How many games did we play together? Tell me just one game in which I don't do things with lacking reasoning to get some reactions. I mean I wouldn't put it that way:
Why would you expect this at all? The Toad I know for either alignment doesn't seek to marginalise himself like you seem to want to be doing.
because that's hardly the intention but I'm doing that literally every single game. Hence my suprise about why you're so puzzled of all people.
Perhaps I don't remember your play too well, then. Sure you do illogical things, and half the time I don't understand what your posts are saying, but usually they are part of some big show. I don't think I'm wrong to think this. There's a lack of HypnoToad so far, don't you think?
For all I know what you're criticising is "HypnoToad". Remember the game I was the phone booth mason in which you were mafia? I'd say that game was a characteristic "screw this I'm board, let's HypnoToad"-game to the extreme. I'm not planning on doing that again but that's what "HypnoToad" is about. Yeah there was no big fireworks this time around but it's still early in the game, isn't it? So I'm really having troubles with your judgement here. You're telling me there was little HypnoToad in this game so far and yet you're criticising me right now? That just not making sense and again, I feel like you should know better of all the people.
On November 23 2012 00:00 Acrofales wrote: [quote] What if Kita is the actual scum, but they're waiting for some gullible town, so their bandwagon seems less suspect when it utterly fails the first event?
What if you and Kita are scum together and your feigned naiveté is a calculated ploy?
Why Kita, and not GK? Hell, why not Dieno? If your entire reason for voting is that he has no bandwagon behind him, Dieno seems by far the best choice.
What is your reason for voting for KITA? And not your reason for voting against Sandro and Syllo, which is a different question.
dude I just answered that with the post you quoted... Well not the 2nd question because that's obviously bullshit but everything else.
Okay, let me rephrase:
Your ONLY reason for thinking Kita is town is because you think one of Sandro/Syllo is scum. You are therefore blindly following him, implying you think he is not only town, but his judgement is good (and you therefore think Prom, Dieno and I are town as well).
Is this a correct assessment of your recent thought process?
nope
I would like to know why you are seeking to make yourself irrelevant in this town. What is your motivation for making obscure posts without reasoning, and therefore leading town to distrust or ignore what you say?
Why do you want this, Toad?
I still need to find the guy I want to vote for.
Syllo's most recent post was decent and so was Acros. Acro's apparently a bit on the slow side but that's fine. Risk is asking the wrong questions and you are suprisingly suprised about something you know very well and you should definitely not need to ask the questions you did. I would have expected you to just tell me to shut up and stop it without asking why I'm doing it.
That begs the question: why do you feel the need to emphasize on something like that when you shouldn't have to?
Why would you expect this at all? The Toad I know for either alignment doesn't seek to marginalise himself like you seem to want to be doing.
If you still need to find a guy you want to vote for, why have you made a placeholder vote? In your first post of the game you said you would only be voting for someone you definitely had a townread on.
Your play definitely needs emphasizing because it is out of character for you and it is quite important to know why.
Okay marv. How many games did we play together? Tell me just one game in which I don't do things with lacking reasoning to get some reactions. I mean I wouldn't put it that way:
Why would you expect this at all? The Toad I know for either alignment doesn't seek to marginalise himself like you seem to want to be doing.
because that's hardly the intention but I'm doing that literally every single game. Hence my suprise about why you're so puzzled of all people.
Oh god, is this Toad the drama queen feeling unloved because he didn't get elected party leader, so will now throw a temper tantrum by playing badly until the rest of town listens to him?
Dude, if you knew :p I'm going to run to leader every single day from now on. I have to, it's my nature
Having played only a couple games with Toad, I'm not all that familiar with HypnoToad. Is that kind of what you're talking about Z-Bo? Can you link a couple town games that you think he isnt living up to?
And this piece of work. This one actually is near null for me, but what does it accomplish? Was zbo not descriptive enough when he said he was disturbed by Toad's lack of posting? This is a post that once again, does nothing. Null on its own, but when taken in the context of this post...
On November 23 2012 09:41 Hopeless1der wrote: EBWOP: he was an assassin, not SK but anyways
So you have the knowledge of Toad's actual role name in a game but don't know what zbo is talking about when referencing him?
Z-Bo referenced a game in which Toad was NOT TOWN and used the fact that they DID NOT MATCH as evidence that Toad is NOT TOWN. This logic is completely false and I specifically asked for TOWN TOAD games, which Z-bo was unwilling to provide.
On November 23 2012 10:11 Hopeless1der wrote: Oats, you're lucky I have no new info to speculate with, or I'd derail the shit out of things with setup speculation.
So... we're lucky you didn't have anything else to shit up the thread with, so you're just going to fill it with more nothing. That makes sense. Marv got to be snippy too. You're reaching with this point. Onto his defense of sand...
On November 24 2012 00:49 Hopeless1der wrote: I've read through sand's filter and I'm not content to lynch him today. I would like to see him scumhunt, but he called half the party early in the day
On November 21 2012 17:00 sandroba wrote:
On November 21 2012 15:59 syllogism wrote: Sandro who do you think is [most likely to be] town so far?
I'll do better and give you 2 I have a pretty good town read on: Diodude and oatsmaster.
@Djoref I'll try to put in an effort and explain my reads properly when the time comes, but I'm gonna wait a little more before I do that.
'When the time comes' would most likely have been when he was close to being elected leader. However, his activity dropped and we shifted to syllo.
On November 22 2012 17:26 sandroba wrote: @syllo that was me quickly reading through the thread and answering stuff after going out. I ignored your mafia question because honestly I'm not putting too much thought into it. When I can't acertain the dude is town I pretty much dismiss it till later, since so far we can't really do much about it. I'm kinda hurt that you think there is a >50% chance that I'm mafia. </3
On this, I feel syllo is best suited to legitimately make the case against sandroba today, but given that we wanted a town-party, I don't find his reluctance to give reads that scummy. I don't see big mafia motive behind sand's actions thus far. His proposed party is consistent:
On November 22 2012 17:29 sandroba wrote: I'll probably be taking oats/die/kush (if he doesnt die).
kush ended up dying and we didn't hear much more from sand on the topic, but the fact remains, he picked 2 members of the party quite early.
On November 22 2012 17:38 sandroba wrote: @gk from what he claimed marv needs to have less than 30 hp for him to die? Well I'd rather just wait then think about it. It's pretty lucky that I can get those 3 tbh, that would be ideal imo.
This was the only post that jumped out at me as completely useless filler reading through his filter. It doesn't really do anything to further a read, and doesn't really think through the likelyhood of kush dying. It'll stick in the back of my mind, but I don't want to lynch over 1 trivial post and a lack of activity. I need to go find someone I do want to lynch.
Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but calling half of the party that gets taken shouldn't really be an accomplishment when there's a possibilty that he's going to flip scum. Why didn't hopeless consider this possibility? And WE shifted to sylo? Sure you jumped on him, but then (referencing him earlier) you jumped right back off. Again, why? You never really said. This post isn't even a very convincing defense. And you need to find someone you do want to lynch? Sweet, who's it gonna be? After not finding sandroba a good lynch target I'm going to assume it takes a lot for you to lynch someone...
On November 24 2012 06:17 TheChronicler wrote: I still like a Sandro lynch. My problem eith him is that I think he knows too much. He's also got the most people consolidated on him.
How the fuck does that make him scum?
It doesn't? Why read into it like that?
You were giving reasons for why you wanted to lynch him. Our goal is to lynch scum. Therefore the bolded part of your post is completely, 100% irrelevant. So why did you even say it?
No, I was giving reasons for a Sandro lynch. There's a difference there. It went 1) reason I think he's scum 2) reason I think he's still a good lynch candidate
you mean you'd lynch for reasons OTHER than being scum? ##Vote: TheChronicler
p.s. I've been skimming the thread, Chronicler is very scummy looking, I'll be back in 5ish hours to, you know, actually play the game instead of sitting by the sidelines.
Oh... I guess it doesn't. I guess all it takes is for you to "misunderstand" a post. The REAL telling thing here is the bolded. Where was it? It never happened. You never actually made a case against me. And then we're back to more of the same... This is the strongest part of your case. I read sand as not likely scum and I read you as likely scum. I was also remarkably lazy, so yeah...
I still don't know if I buy this though. Seems like he used more than 1 ability last night.
These abilities are from the original invoker from the Warcraft Dota. Super old, and quite frankly its retarded that draz fails to explain this better.
Is this for real? You quoted actual invoker abilities as if they'd be relevant to this game? This post is worse than filler, it's actively trying to get the trhead to talk about something irrelevant.
Acro was calling draz a liar because he looked up Invoker (Dota 2) and didn't find anything close to the roles he claimed. That's because they were from the Old Invoker from Warcraft Dota. I was correcting that before A) more time was wasted on draz and B) to demonstrate that he COULD be telling the truth about his role. + Show Spoiler +
On November 24 2012 11:15 VisceraEyes wrote: Never forget LI Acro. Never.
Why do you mention me?
Anyway, what I really want to comment on is Drazerk's role and abilities. I can make no sense of it. Just wandered over to the Dota 2 wiki and Invoker has:
Cold Snap Ghost Walk Ice Wall Tornado Deafening Blast Forge Spirit EMP Alacrity Chaos Meteor Sun Strike.
First off: I don't see any "Betrayal" and a wiki search doesn't give me anything either. The other abilities claimed are Lightning Shield (not an Invoker ability), Firestorm (ditto), Chaos Meteor.
What Chaos Meteor does in Dota 2 is drops a meteor from the sky which does damage and then rolls around a little bit doing more damage if you're dumb enough to stick around. I fail to see how this can be implemented in this game, other than as a simple nuke.
So, how about you claim what your abilities do, instead of your Dota 2 analogies, which may make sense to you, but don't to anybody else.
I'm not going to quote today, because I'm probably being too biased at this point. Today you've decided to try and place a vote on Toad to keep him from taking damage under some sort of far off possibility. So you're saying you're going to potentially SAVE someone who would otherwise take 500 dmg, and has two red checks?!? I don't know about you, but I couldn't take a 500 dmg hit right now. Why were you trying to save him? His death means we get a real lynch tomorrow.
I've definitely explained this already. If you don't agree, that's fine, show me why its scummy. Oh and there's this...
On November 26 2012 00:19 risk.nuke wrote: Why am I like a ghost in these games. Even when I run for leader I am mostly ignored.
I think it's because you are not active enough I won't vote for you by the way, there are some people that I trust more. I understand how you feel if it can do any good to you.
It doesn't do me any good, you're free to vote for whoever you want but even if you don't want to vote for me you can still comment on me for everyone's benefit.
Well, I would not vote for the following reasons
The waiting game you have played yesterday with your vote on Sandro, nice way for not contributing during a lynch day
The way you answered kitaman suspicions towards you ("scummy post from a scummy player")
The fact that you are not active enough, I expect a party leader to have some leadership
The fact that you take syllo and TheChronicler in your team. Dieno and Oats is better than syllo and Oats. TheChronicler is meh....
I have been active and don't get into sementics, would you had approved if I had said. I'm not going to take my vote of the scummiest player just because he's avoiding the thread.
Kitaman had done squat all game which is more then enough to justify the title of scummy behaviour when he showed up with a pisspoor case against me.
As I said I don't think Dia is a good addition to the team. Do you believe there are no repercussions to prevent town from beating the game using claims? And in addition to that he's lost the majority of his hp. Hypothetically what if a condition is if a teammember has less then x hp the mission will fail, or maybe it will fail and kill him.
Syllo is by far better then both oats and dia, I've considered keith being better then oats aswell. And chronicler is very likely town. He's the one who copchecked toad so unless you think scum is trading 1for1 you shouldn't doubt him.
@risk.nuke
You have not been as active as marv for example. I would have liked if you have participated more in the scum hunt during D2. Toad was not so difficult to find for example... (Correct me if I'm wrong but I assumed that you were familiar Toad here)
Ok, fair enough.
Ok, that's speculating. I have more faith in a town Dieno than in a town syllo, and that's all what matters for me. Anyway, if we present 4 town members, the event is going to succeed for sure I guess. Easy enough imho...
What do you mean by "better" ? I'm only caring about the fact that they are more confirmed town.
TheChronicler could have bussed Toad with a fake cope claim. The only thing that indicates a town TheChronicler is this copeclaim...
you think acro faked his copclaim as well?
Why are you trying to cast doubt on acro? Trying to get him lynched? I find it funny that you and Hapa interpret this post 100% the opposite of each other (Acro is lying, or Acro is telling the truth), but in both cases I'm scum. Could it be because... Day 2 actions 200 gold Popcorn You target 2 players. you will be told if they are the same alignment or different alignments. Day 2 results: hopeless1der and acrofales, different.
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